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Heartbeatocean, thanks for the dialogue. I hadn't considered the fact that simply showing the split-second explosion (as well as the preparation, etc.) connects the "Cinnamon Girl" character to terrorist acts, kind of intrinsically. Then TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs pops her fine ass in and contributes this nugget of wisdom: from what I saw, the scene of the girl blowing up the airport was her envisioning her perception of how some others saw her. Not that she wanted to end anything, not her imagining she was actually a terrorist.
I think that's a fanfuckingtastic point, Ivy....and I also think that will remain my final interpretation of the video. It would have to feel odd to be of Arab descent and walk into an airport or something like that - you'd feel all eyes on you; you could feel the tension. So rather than "fantasizing" about how she would like to blow everyone up (which is for some reason how I was taking it at first), it makes much more sense to me now (thanks to you, Ivy - oh, sorry I haven't called you back yet, I will!!!) to see it as how she imagines the rest of America sees her post-9/11. Yeah, I really like that!! jazzy328is said: That is life, We are talking about a video and people are dying by the hundreds in Iraq while we debate this video, Leave the Art to the Artist.
Um, what? If you'd like to join the discussion of the video on here, then by all means say whatever you like about it. If you'd rather leave the inexplicably capitalized Art to the Artist then why are you wasting your time reading this thread? Jeez. Do you say something so absurd when a new album comes out and people are talking about their reactions? "Leave the Art to the Artists, people!!! That's what's wrong with the world today!!!"  No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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jazzy328is said: priceless said: Thank you, I haven't seen the clip, but a music video clip shouldn't reflect a "reality" in that way. Prince isn't John Lennon and he shouldn't go all political on us. It's always been bad taste, in my opinion, to make art seem real...the two mustn't be confused, as is the trend these days, and Prince should be more careful about the messages he chooses to deliver through his work. [Edited 10/14/04 17:28pm] If you have not seen the Video, then you shouldn't comment on it, first see it, then comment, thats the problem with the world today, everyone wants to add their views even though they have not seen anything to view, so please see it first then comment. Sorry, but i just have to reply to this one. 1st, i read a post and commented on THAT...so i did have something in view...2nd, what's your problem? [Edited 10/18/04 16:28pm] | |
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jazzy328is said: Leave the Art to the Artist.
OKAY Diatribe #2 I just have to say it always bugs me whenever someone criticizes a film, song, book, etc. and then people say, "It's just a song! Lighten up!" or "There's people dying in Iraq and here we are talking about a music video!" or "Come on', it's just a frickin' movie!" These kinds of comments escape me completely. First of all, if people are dying in Iraq, shouldn't we be talking about it? Second of all, artwork communicates on a much subtler level than facts (and who's facts are they, by the way?) so it provides an opportunity for discussion. Prince himself has said that he wants people to talk about his music video. For me, that's the point of art. It's not just a hands-off affair, it's a way to stimulate the culture. Art possesses and communicates and processes values. Who made the Artist God anyway? I say debunk the Artist and get to the Truth. | |
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jazzy328is said: SynthiaRose said: But why when she reaches her limit, do her thoughts turn as if instinctively to suicide bombing/terrorism. Why didn't she consider some other release of her anger and emotion. The video suggests that terrorism is an innate desire for Arabs who suppress it until they can no longer resist. I confess, I thought the video was great before as well. I thought that it was to send a powerful message about prejudice. But like Prince, I was being simplistic, as Heartbeatocean said. It wasn't until I read someone's comment yesterday and then Heartbeat's message today that I fully understood that Prince did not think this through enough and was being a bit irresponsible. I don't think he had an evil or racist intent. But PRince is big on pseudo-intellectualism, shallow thoughts that seem deep. For him to suggest that people who suspect and profile certain people as terrorists thereby create terrorists by driving them to fulfill expectations is rather silly reasoning. And is doesn't give Arabs credit for being above degenerate thinking. I thought prince fans were strong willed, I mean to endure prince threw the years show a strong will. First you enjoyed it, then read other things and changed your mind, (so your new veiws are not really your views, they are someone elses.) The video could have had a lot of things different, it could have shown her class mates protecting her from the haters, but it didn't, it could have shown her parents getting on a plane and moving back to the middle east, but it didn't, it could have shown her wishing she was white, but it didn't, it is what it is, and none of us have a right to discredit it, it is art, and art should not be touched, The truth is we live in a cruel world, some attack the innocent, others wish they could do something about it, etc. some carry it out, others just vent by their own thoughts, thoughts are better than carrying it out any day, and do say or suggest that you and everyone who is reading this has never had thoughts of violence, wether slapping your mom, getting even with that bully, or wishing death on OJ Simpson, it's all the same thing. That is life, We are talking about a video and people are dying by the hundreds in Iraq while we debate this video, Leave the Art to the Artist. Jazzy, I am actually one of the most defined and self-possessed people I've ever met. So, don't accuse me of taking on someone else's views just because I changed my opinion of the video. I have learned more and am forced by that enlightenment to look at the video from a different perspective. This is like someone who thought the world was flat reading something persuasive from Galileo (not to flatter any poster here LOL). As someone who's not connected to Arab culture in anyway, I honestly didn't think the reference to suicide bombing was insulting at first. But I ruminated on it further. I hope other orgers do the same. They don't have just agree with anyone. They can think for themselves. | |
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