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Reply #30 posted 10/01/04 1:10pm

BorisFishpaw

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giotto said:

BorisFishpaw said:

people will
assume that they are all fully realised albums that could or would have been released, and
in most instances that is not the case. A lot of them are merely quick compilations of current
songs with no intent to release them in that form or sequence.


Just like the "lost" Kim Basinger album, eh Boris? wink

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Some things are just so much better 'lost'.
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Reply #31 posted 10/01/04 4:20pm

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In an interview with Rolling Stone, Prince mentioned the follow up album to 1999 that he never released because he thought it sounded too similiar to 1999. Does anyone have any info on this unreleased album. 1999 being one of my favorites, I would love this album.
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Reply #32 posted 10/01/04 7:15pm

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That's fine, but where's Dream Factory? confuse
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Reply #33 posted 10/01/04 10:25pm

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NWF said:

That's fine, but where's Dream Factory? confuse



Its there... lol
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Reply #34 posted 10/01/04 10:57pm

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paisleypark4 said:

NWF said:

That's fine, but where's Dream Factory? confuse



Its there... lol


Oh. hrmph














I..I.....I knew that. I was just testing you. tease
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Reply #35 posted 10/02/04 1:44am

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I didn't see these projects' tracklists, so here they are if you'd like to add them to the original list:

The Flesh
Side A:
01. Junk Music

Side B:
02. Up From Below
03. Y'All Want Some More?
04. A Couple Of Miles

I guess maybe you could also include the early version of Lovesexy (with The Line, the early version of Lovesexy, Positivity w/Cat's 'Music Is The Key' rap and sans I Wish U Heaven), and maybe also the first batch of songs recorded with Ingrid Chavez (see The Vault page 88)?
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Reply #36 posted 10/02/04 4:01am

Novabreaker

Victor333 said:

In an interview with Rolling Stone, Prince mentioned the follow up album to 1999 that he never released because he thought it sounded too similiar to 1999. Does anyone have any info on this unreleased album. 1999 being one of my favorites, I would love this album.


I think this is pretty much all the info we have. One would guess it's mostly the strongest material that was left off 1999 and some of the earlier cuts that didn't make it on "Purple Rain". Most of the material he recorded those days is pretty well documented (and circulating for that matter as well), so I don't think there would be far too many surprises on it.
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Reply #37 posted 10/02/04 4:05am

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Oh, and did I already mention that the early configuration for "Diamonds & Pearls" really blows goat's ass?
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Reply #38 posted 10/02/04 7:56am

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NouveauDance said:

I didn't see these projects' tracklists, so here they are if you'd like to add them to the original list:

The Flesh
Side A:
01. Junk Music

Side B:
02. Up From Below
03. Y'All Want Some More?
04. A Couple Of Miles

I guess maybe you could also include the early version of Lovesexy (with The Line, the early version of Lovesexy, Positivity w/Cat's 'Music Is The Key' rap and sans I Wish U Heaven), and maybe also the first batch of songs recorded with Ingrid Chavez (see The Vault page 88)?
[Edited 10/2/04 1:45am]


You Gotta Shake Something is a Flesh song as well.

And yo, anyone got a proposed/rumored configuration of "The Dawn"? Boris, my man?
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Reply #39 posted 10/02/04 8:55am

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NouveauDance said:

I didn't see these projects' tracklists, so here they are if you'd like to add them to the original list:

The Flesh
Side A:
01. Junk Music

Side B:
02. Up From Below
03. Y'All Want Some More?
04. A Couple Of Miles

I guess maybe you could also include the early version of Lovesexy (with The Line, the early version of Lovesexy, Positivity w/Cat's 'Music Is The Key' rap and sans I Wish U Heaven), and maybe also the first batch of songs recorded with Ingrid Chavez (see The Vault page 88)?
[Edited 10/2/04 1:45am]



I added that (thank you) and now im lookin 4 more... (i also threw in Grafitti Bridge 1)
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Reply #40 posted 10/02/04 9:00am

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Ingrid Chavez aded also
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Reply #41 posted 10/02/04 10:28am

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And yo, anyone got a proposed/rumored configuration of "The Dawn"? Boris, my man?


Unfortunately not.
There are many projects where we only know a few of the songs that were going to be included
(sometimes not even that). 'The Dawn' is one of them. All I do know is that there were at least
3 versions of 'The Dawn' worked on over the years.

The First was in 1986 (unfinished), and included the following tracks...
'Coco Boys'
'When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes'
'Crucial'

Then again in '93-'94. Tracklist unknown, but would have mostly comprised of songs that
were released on 'Come', 'The Gold Experience', 'Chaos And Disorder' and 'Crystal Ball'.

And again in 1996. Tracklist unknown, but was going to include, amongst others...
'Welcome 2 The Dawn (Acoustic Version)'
'Welcome 2 The Dawn (Full Version)'
'The Most Beautiful Girl In The World (Mustang '96)'
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Reply #42 posted 10/02/04 11:18am

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BorisFishpaw said:

squirrelgrease said:


And yo, anyone got a proposed/rumored configuration of "The Dawn"? Boris, my man?


Unfortunately not.
There are many projects where we only know a few of the songs that were going to be included
(sometimes not even that). 'The Dawn' is one of them. All I do know is that there were at least
3 versions of 'The Dawn' worked on over the years.

The First was in 1986 (unfinished), and included the following tracks...
'Coco Boys'
'When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes'
'Crucial'

Then again in '93-'94. Tracklist unknown, but would have mostly comprised of songs that
were released on 'Come', 'The Gold Experience', 'Chaos And Disorder' and 'Crystal Ball'.

And again in 1996. Tracklist unknown, but was going to include, amongst others...
'Welcome 2 The Dawn (Acoustic Version)'
'Welcome 2 The Dawn (Full Version)'
'The Most Beautiful Girl In The World (Mustang '96)'
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Reply #43 posted 10/02/04 11:37am

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squirrelgrease said:

You Gotta Shake Something is a Flesh song as well.


nod

But it wasn't placed on any known config. of the album confused
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Reply #44 posted 10/02/04 3:15pm

madhouseman

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[b]Emancipation

Right Back Here In My Arms
Slave 2 The System
Slave
New World
2020
Fel Good
Journey 2 The Center Of your Heart
Eye Am The DJ
Emancipation


Actually, this was the configuration for an album called NEW WORLD. Some of these tracks ended up on Emancipation, but it was conceived as NEW WORLD. There has been alot of confusion about this.

There are also a number of other configurations of the albums above, as well as a few other side projects that aren't mentioned including the 2nd Vanity 6 album, as well as another Sheila E album and a 2nd Jill Jones album.
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Reply #45 posted 10/03/04 2:14am

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madhouseman said:


There are also a number of other configurations of the albums above, as well as a few other side projects that aren't mentioned including the 2nd Vanity 6 album, as well as another Sheila E album and a 2nd Jill Jones album.


I think the reason they aren't mentioned is that no full tracklist, or configuration is known.

All the ones you mentioned are listed here: http://www.prince.org/msg...&tid=53806

Which I also posted in the 2nd reply to this thread.

Of course if you know any full tracklists for the projects you mentioned, and not just 3 or 4 tracks known to have been recorded for these projects, please do share biggrin
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Reply #46 posted 10/03/04 3:41pm

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Aren't we going to add the 100 versions of the Come and gold albums that have been invented over the last few months on this site? wink
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Reply #47 posted 10/03/04 4:46pm

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rolleyes


Though as I said before, these lists of unreleased albums can be a bit misleading, as the vast
majority of them are 'works in progress'. Where do you draw the line? I think that Come/Gold
thread showed that this subject is not as straightforward as people would think. There are often
numerous configurations of albums tried out before it's released or shelved, only some of which
we ever hear about. Just picking on the ones that get printed in The Vault is only gonna give you
part of the picture. Albums are changing, growing things that can sometimes get revised on a
daily basis.

Why just show the one configuration of 'Dream Factory'? It wasn't finished when it was shelved,
it was actually in a state of flux and was moving away from it's original concept when that
happened. Even listing the other 2 main configurations doesn't give the whole picture.

Then again there's projects like 'The Rebels'. This never even got as far as having a tracklist
or sequence. There were some songs recorded for it, but had the project actually been released
it would certainly have had more songs recorded, and probably would have lost a few of the ones
listed.
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Reply #48 posted 10/03/04 5:37pm

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What Boris Said.

Paisleypark4, the thread is cool, and its going to be a great help to people, but I think actually giving track lists, rather than statements of intention, can be misleading. A lot of the lists are guess work at best. The Vault, whilst great, is full of a LOT of errors.

Before you know it, someone will be wanting you to add the track list to "Heart" and the "Purple Rain" double album....! wink
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Reply #49 posted 10/03/04 10:23pm

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SquirrelMeat said:

What Boris Said.

Paisleypark4, the thread is cool, and its going to be a great help to people, but I think actually giving track lists, rather than statements of intention, can be misleading. A lot of the lists are guess work at best. The Vault, whilst great, is full of a LOT of errors.

Before you know it, someone will be wanting you to add the track list to "Heart" and the "Purple Rain" double album....! wink



Why are you guys taking this SOOO seriously like it is a matter of life and death?

Yes we all know there are 100 Come / Gold configurations..Im ONLY documenting what was done LAST..if u want to "make your own Prince alternate album" go ahead....shoot i even made my own damn version of Dream Factory with "Its A Wonderful Day" and "We Can Funk " and "In A Large Room.." on it...


But come on..dont overblow it, just embrace and enjoy it.
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Reply #50 posted 10/03/04 10:57pm

psykosoul

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Why are you guys taking this SOOO seriously like it is a matter of life and death?


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Reply #51 posted 10/04/04 12:39am

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I think this is a matter of semantics.

You could change the title of the thread to something like "Prince Unreleased & W.I.P. Albums '79 - 2001"

And add a bold disclaimer at the very top of the thread stating something like:

"These tracklists in most cases only represent one Work In Progress snap-shot of each project, and do not represent any kind of final configuration as it may have been released. In fact, there are often numerous work in progress configurations of any given project Prince has worked on - In most cases, these do not represent any final configuration, only a work in progress."

This way newbies don't get the impression that this list is the be all and end all of unreleased albums, projects and their configurations, and oldies don't have to keep correcting and stating that a particular tracklist is not definitive.

Then we can continue adding to the tracklist, maybe with more info than just the tracklists, also who was involved, dates, a little paragraph that puts the project in chronological/historical context pertaining to the Prince cannon. AND you can even add a kind of 'further reading' link if there has been any particularly informative, or lengthy thread on one particular project/era, for example - the 'Evidence of COme 1993' thread.

smile


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Reply #52 posted 10/04/04 1:57am

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What NouveauDance said.

I enjoy these kinds of threads, but you do need to take into account that Newbie's will read it in
it's current state and assume that say, 'The Rebels' listing is an actual sequenced tracklist
when it's not, it's just a list of songs recorded for the project (not in any order).

This is particularly true of the often quoted "High" tracklist. This get's repeated SO often that
it becomes 'true', even though it was never an actual sequence for that album. It does get
mildly annoying when Newbies then go and quote these tracklists as being fact, and don't
believe you when you try and correct them.

I just think it's important to qualify things where necessary, with a simple statement like
"actual tracklist unknown, but songs to be included were..." etc.
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Reply #53 posted 10/04/04 3:16pm

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BorisFishpaw said:

What NouveauDance said.

I enjoy these kinds of threads, but you do need to take into account that Newbie's will read it in
it's current state and assume that say, 'The Rebels' listing is an actual sequenced tracklist
when it's not, it's just a list of songs recorded for the project (not in any order).

This is particularly true of the often quoted "High" tracklist. This get's repeated SO often that
it becomes 'true', even though it was never an actual sequence for that album. It does get
mildly annoying when Newbies then go and quote these tracklists as being fact, and don't
believe you when you try and correct them.

I just think it's important to qualify things where necessary, with a simple statement like
"actual tracklist unknown, but songs to be included were..." etc.


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Reply #54 posted 10/04/04 5:16pm

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paisleypark4 said


Why are you guys taking this SOOO seriously like it is a matter of life and death?


Honest, I'm not! But when you have many newbies, starting threads like, "Where can I get the long version of Lets Go Crazy", track lists on here can be very impressionable.

I'd just hate to see the facts distorted over the years! biggrin

Mark my words, we are long over due another thread on "What was the track list of the original Purple Rain double album?"
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Reply #55 posted 10/05/04 12:09am

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NouveauDance said:

I think this is a matter of semantics.

You could change the title of the thread to something like "Prince Unreleased & W.I.P. Albums '79 - 2001"

And add a bold disclaimer at the very top of the thread stating something like:

"These tracklists in most cases only represent one Work In Progress snap-shot of each project, and do not represent any kind of final configuration as it may have been released. In fact, there are often numerous work in progress configurations of any given project Prince has worked on - In most cases, these do not represent any final configuration, only a work in progress."

This way newbies don't get the impression that this list is the be all and end all of unreleased albums, projects and their configurations, and oldies don't have to keep correcting and stating that a particular tracklist is not definitive.

Then we can continue adding to the tracklist, maybe with more info than just the tracklists, also who was involved, dates, a little paragraph that puts the project in chronological/historical context pertaining to the Prince cannon. AND you can even add a kind of 'further reading' link if there has been any particularly informative, or lengthy thread on one particular project/era, for example - the 'Evidence of COme 1993' thread.

smile


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Thank you..and more 2 come! smile.

Im glad this has turned popular
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Reply #56 posted 10/05/04 2:15am

BorisFishpaw

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That's better thumbs up!
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Reply #57 posted 10/05/04 5:48am

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Getting better all the time, great work. ...btw, you seem to mis-spell GRAFFITI Bridge (you spell grafitti).
Would be nice to have dates (at least years) for each track list.
How about The Flesh songs, are they circulating? i think ive only heard A couple of miles. How long is Junk Music and is it any good?
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Reply #58 posted 10/05/04 7:59am

Novabreaker

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How long is Junk Music and is it any good?


It's about the length of one single side on vinyl. No one's heard it - and no, I doubt it would be very good.
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Reply #59 posted 10/05/04 8:37am

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Here's a bit more detail on the first few projects...

The Rebels July 1979
Unfinished Band project (not sequenced)

Disco Away (Dez)
Hard To Get (Prince)
If I Love You Tonight (Prince)
Instrumental (Andre)
Thrill You Or Kill You (Andre)
Too Long (Dez)
Turn Me On (Prince)
You (Prince)
Instrumental (Dez)

Purple Rain November 7th 1983
Album sequence: Test Pressing made

01. Lets Go Crazy
02. The Beautiful Ones
03. Computer Blue
04. Darling Nikki
05. Wednesday
06. Purple Rain
07. I Would Die 4 U
08. Baby Im A Star
09. Father's Song

Parade May 1st 1985
First configuration:

01. Wendy’s Parade
02. New Position
03. I Wonder U
04. Under The Cherry Moon
05. Others Here With Us
06. Life Can Be So Nice
07. Sometimes It Snows In April
08. Old Friends 4 Sale
09. All My Dreams

The Flesh January 22nd 1986
Album sequenced:

Side 1:
01. Junk Music
Side 2:
02. Up From Below
03. Y'All Want Some More?
04. A Couple Of Miles

Dream Factory July 18th 1986
Last Album sequence made before it was shelved:

Side 1:
01. Visions
02. Dream Factory
03. Train
04. Ballad Of Dorothy Parker
05. It
Side 2:
06. Strange Relationship
07. Starfish & Coffee
08. Slow Love
09. Interlude
10. I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man
Side 3:
11. Sign O The Times
12. A Place In Heaven
13. Crystal Ball
Side 4:
14. The Cross
15. Last Heart
16. Witness 4 The Prosecution
17. Movie Star
18. All My Dreams

Camille November 5th 1986
Album sequenced:

Side 1:
01. Rebirth Of The Flesh
02. Housequake
03. Strange Relationship
04. Feel U Up
Side 2:
05. Shockadelica
06. Good Love
07. If I Was Your Girlfreind
08. Rockhard In A Funky Place

Crystal Ball November 30th 1986
Album Sequenced:

Side 1:
01. Rebirth Of The Flesh
02. Play In The Sunshine
03. Housequake
04. Ballad Of Dorothy parker
Side 2:
05. It
06. Starfish & Coffee
07. Slow Love
08. Hot Thing
Side 3:
09. Crystal Ball
10. If I Was Your Girlfriend
11. Rockhard In A Funky Place
Side 4:
12. The Ball
13. Joy In Repitition
14. Strange Relationship
15. I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man
Side 5:
16. Shockadelica
17. Good Love
18. Forever In My Life
19. Sign O The Times
Side 6:
20. The Cross
21. Adore
22. It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night
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