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Printablegiotto said: BorisFishpaw said: people will
assume that they are all fully realised albums that could or would have been released, and in most instances that is not the case. A lot of them are merely quick compilations of current songs with no intent to release them in that form or sequence. Just like the "lost" Kim Basinger album, eh Boris? 
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In an interview with Rolling Stone, Prince mentioned the follow up album to 1999 that he never released because he thought it sounded too similiar to 1999. Does anyone have any info on this unreleased album. 1999 being one of my favorites, I would love this album. | |
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That's fine, but where's Dream Factory?  NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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NWF said: That's fine, but where's Dream Factory?
Its there...  Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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paisleypark4 said: NWF said: That's fine, but where's Dream Factory?
Its there... Oh. 
I..I.....I knew that. I was just testing you.  NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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I didn't see these projects' tracklists, so here they are if you'd like to add them to the original list:
The Flesh Side A: 01. Junk Music Side B: 02. Up From Below 03. Y'All Want Some More? 04. A Couple Of Miles I guess maybe you could also include the early version of Lovesexy (with The Line, the early version of Lovesexy, Positivity w/Cat's 'Music Is The Key' rap and sans I Wish U Heaven), and maybe also the first batch of songs recorded with Ingrid Chavez (see The Vault page 88)? [Edited 10/2/04 1:45am] | |
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Victor333 said: In an interview with Rolling Stone, Prince mentioned the follow up album to 1999 that he never released because he thought it sounded too similiar to 1999. Does anyone have any info on this unreleased album. 1999 being one of my favorites, I would love this album.
I think this is pretty much all the info we have. One would guess it's mostly the strongest material that was left off 1999 and some of the earlier cuts that didn't make it on "Purple Rain". Most of the material he recorded those days is pretty well documented (and circulating for that matter as well), so I don't think there would be far too many surprises on it. | |
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Oh, and did I already mention that the early configuration for "Diamonds & Pearls" really blows goat's ass? | |
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NouveauDance said: I didn't see these projects' tracklists, so here they are if you'd like to add them to the original list:
The Flesh Side A: 01. Junk Music Side B: 02. Up From Below 03. Y'All Want Some More? 04. A Couple Of Miles I guess maybe you could also include the early version of Lovesexy (with The Line, the early version of Lovesexy, Positivity w/Cat's 'Music Is The Key' rap and sans I Wish U Heaven), and maybe also the first batch of songs recorded with Ingrid Chavez (see The Vault page 88)? [Edited 10/2/04 1:45am] You Gotta Shake Something is a Flesh song as well. And yo, anyone got a proposed/rumored configuration of "The Dawn"? Boris, my man? If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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NouveauDance said: I didn't see these projects' tracklists, so here they are if you'd like to add them to the original list:
The Flesh Side A: 01. Junk Music Side B: 02. Up From Below 03. Y'All Want Some More? 04. A Couple Of Miles I guess maybe you could also include the early version of Lovesexy (with The Line, the early version of Lovesexy, Positivity w/Cat's 'Music Is The Key' rap and sans I Wish U Heaven), and maybe also the first batch of songs recorded with Ingrid Chavez (see The Vault page 88)? [Edited 10/2/04 1:45am] I added that (thank you) and now im lookin 4 more... (i also threw in Grafitti Bridge 1) Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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Ingrid Chavez aded also Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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squirrelgrease said: And yo, anyone got a proposed/rumored configuration of "The Dawn"? Boris, my man? Unfortunately not. There are many projects where we only know a few of the songs that were going to be included (sometimes not even that). 'The Dawn' is one of them. All I do know is that there were at least 3 versions of 'The Dawn' worked on over the years. The First was in 1986 (unfinished), and included the following tracks... 'Coco Boys' 'When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes' 'Crucial' Then again in '93-'94. Tracklist unknown, but would have mostly comprised of songs that were released on 'Come', 'The Gold Experience', 'Chaos And Disorder' and 'Crystal Ball'. And again in 1996. Tracklist unknown, but was going to include, amongst others... 'Welcome 2 The Dawn (Acoustic Version)' 'Welcome 2 The Dawn (Full Version)' 'The Most Beautiful Girl In The World (Mustang '96)' [Edited 10/2/04 10:28am] | |
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BorisFishpaw said: squirrelgrease said: And yo, anyone got a proposed/rumored configuration of "The Dawn"? Boris, my man? Unfortunately not. There are many projects where we only know a few of the songs that were going to be included (sometimes not even that). 'The Dawn' is one of them. All I do know is that there were at least 3 versions of 'The Dawn' worked on over the years. The First was in 1986 (unfinished), and included the following tracks... 'Coco Boys' 'When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes' 'Crucial' Then again in '93-'94. Tracklist unknown, but would have mostly comprised of songs that were released on 'Come', 'The Gold Experience', 'Chaos And Disorder' and 'Crystal Ball'. And again in 1996. Tracklist unknown, but was going to include, amongst others... 'Welcome 2 The Dawn (Acoustic Version)' 'Welcome 2 The Dawn (Full Version)' 'The Most Beautiful Girl In The World (Mustang '96)' [Edited 10/2/04 10:28am] Thanks BF!  If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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squirrelgrease said: You Gotta Shake Something is a Flesh song as well.
But it wasn't placed on any known config. of the album  | |
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paisleypark4 said: [b]Emancipation Right Back Here In My Arms Slave 2 The System Slave New World 2020 Fel Good Journey 2 The Center Of your Heart Eye Am The DJ Emancipation Actually, this was the configuration for an album called NEW WORLD. Some of these tracks ended up on Emancipation, but it was conceived as NEW WORLD. There has been alot of confusion about this. There are also a number of other configurations of the albums above, as well as a few other side projects that aren't mentioned including the 2nd Vanity 6 album, as well as another Sheila E album and a 2nd Jill Jones album. The expanded version of my book PRINCE and The Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions 1983-1984 was released in November 2018. (www.amazon.com/gp/product/1538114623/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0) or www.facebook.com/groups/1...104195943/ | |
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madhouseman said: There are also a number of other configurations of the albums above, as well as a few other side projects that aren't mentioned including the 2nd Vanity 6 album, as well as another Sheila E album and a 2nd Jill Jones album. I think the reason they aren't mentioned is that no full tracklist, or configuration is known. All the ones you mentioned are listed here: http://www.prince.org/msg...&tid=53806 Which I also posted in the 2nd reply to this thread. Of course if you know any full tracklists for the projects you mentioned, and not just 3 or 4 tracks known to have been recorded for these projects, please do share  | |
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Aren't we going to add the 100 versions of the Come and gold albums that have been invented over the last few months on this site? . |
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Though as I said before, these lists of unreleased albums can be a bit misleading, as the vast majority of them are 'works in progress'. Where do you draw the line? I think that Come/Gold thread showed that this subject is not as straightforward as people would think. There are often numerous configurations of albums tried out before it's released or shelved, only some of which we ever hear about. Just picking on the ones that get printed in The Vault is only gonna give you part of the picture. Albums are changing, growing things that can sometimes get revised on a daily basis. Why just show the one configuration of 'Dream Factory'? It wasn't finished when it was shelved, it was actually in a state of flux and was moving away from it's original concept when that happened. Even listing the other 2 main configurations doesn't give the whole picture. Then again there's projects like 'The Rebels'. This never even got as far as having a tracklist or sequence. There were some songs recorded for it, but had the project actually been released it would certainly have had more songs recorded, and probably would have lost a few of the ones listed. [Edited 10/3/04 16:48pm] | |
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What Boris Said.
Paisleypark4, the thread is cool, and its going to be a great help to people, but I think actually giving track lists, rather than statements of intention, can be misleading. A lot of the lists are guess work at best. The Vault, whilst great, is full of a LOT of errors. Before you know it, someone will be wanting you to add the track list to "Heart" and the "Purple Rain" double album....! . |
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SquirrelMeat said: What Boris Said.
Paisleypark4, the thread is cool, and its going to be a great help to people, but I think actually giving track lists, rather than statements of intention, can be misleading. A lot of the lists are guess work at best. The Vault, whilst great, is full of a LOT of errors. Before you know it, someone will be wanting you to add the track list to "Heart" and the "Purple Rain" double album....! Why are you guys taking this SOOO seriously like it is a matter of life and death? Yes we all know there are 100 Come / Gold configurations..Im ONLY documenting what was done LAST..if u want to "make your own Prince alternate album" go ahead....shoot i even made my own damn version of Dream Factory with "Its A Wonderful Day" and "We Can Funk " and "In A Large Room.." on it... But come on..dont overblow it, just embrace and enjoy it. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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paisleypark4 said: Why are you guys taking this SOOO seriously like it is a matter of life and death?
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I think this is a matter of semantics.
You could change the title of the thread to something like "Prince Unreleased & W.I.P. Albums '79 - 2001" And add a bold disclaimer at the very top of the thread stating something like: "These tracklists in most cases only represent one Work In Progress snap-shot of each project, and do not represent any kind of final configuration as it may have been released. In fact, there are often numerous work in progress configurations of any given project Prince has worked on - In most cases, these do not represent any final configuration, only a work in progress." This way newbies don't get the impression that this list is the be all and end all of unreleased albums, projects and their configurations, and oldies don't have to keep correcting and stating that a particular tracklist is not definitive. Then we can continue adding to the tracklist, maybe with more info than just the tracklists, also who was involved, dates, a little paragraph that puts the project in chronological/historical context pertaining to the Prince cannon. AND you can even add a kind of 'further reading' link if there has been any particularly informative, or lengthy thread on one particular project/era, for example - the 'Evidence of COme 1993' thread. 
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What NouveauDance said.
I enjoy these kinds of threads, but you do need to take into account that Newbie's will read it in it's current state and assume that say, 'The Rebels' listing is an actual sequenced tracklist when it's not, it's just a list of songs recorded for the project (not in any order). This is particularly true of the often quoted "High" tracklist. This get's repeated SO often that it becomes 'true', even though it was never an actual sequence for that album. It does get mildly annoying when Newbies then go and quote these tracklists as being fact, and don't believe you when you try and correct them. I just think it's important to qualify things where necessary, with a simple statement like "actual tracklist unknown, but songs to be included were..." etc. | |
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BorisFishpaw said: What NouveauDance said.
I enjoy these kinds of threads, but you do need to take into account that Newbie's will read it in it's current state and assume that say, 'The Rebels' listing is an actual sequenced tracklist when it's not, it's just a list of songs recorded for the project (not in any order). This is particularly true of the often quoted "High" tracklist. This get's repeated SO often that it becomes 'true', even though it was never an actual sequence for that album. It does get mildly annoying when Newbies then go and quote these tracklists as being fact, and don't believe you when you try and correct them. I just think it's important to qualify things where necessary, with a simple statement like "actual tracklist unknown, but songs to be included were..." etc. hey Boris...I gotta tell U this...I'm ur fan | |
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paisleypark4 said
Why are you guys taking this SOOO seriously like it is a matter of life and death? Honest, I'm not! But when you have many newbies, starting threads like, "Where can I get the long version of Lets Go Crazy", track lists on here can be very impressionable. I'd just hate to see the facts distorted over the years!
Mark my words, we are long over due another thread on "What was the track list of the original Purple Rain double album?" . |
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NouveauDance said: I think this is a matter of semantics.
You could change the title of the thread to something like "Prince Unreleased & W.I.P. Albums '79 - 2001" And add a bold disclaimer at the very top of the thread stating something like: "These tracklists in most cases only represent one Work In Progress snap-shot of each project, and do not represent any kind of final configuration as it may have been released. In fact, there are often numerous work in progress configurations of any given project Prince has worked on - In most cases, these do not represent any final configuration, only a work in progress." This way newbies don't get the impression that this list is the be all and end all of unreleased albums, projects and their configurations, and oldies don't have to keep correcting and stating that a particular tracklist is not definitive. Then we can continue adding to the tracklist, maybe with more info than just the tracklists, also who was involved, dates, a little paragraph that puts the project in chronological/historical context pertaining to the Prince cannon. AND you can even add a kind of 'further reading' link if there has been any particularly informative, or lengthy thread on one particular project/era, for example - the 'Evidence of COme 1993' thread.
// [Edited 10/4/04 0:44am] Thank you..and more 2 come! .
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That's better  | |
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Getting better all the time, great work. ...btw, you seem to mis-spell GRAFFITI Bridge (you spell grafitti).
Would be nice to have dates (at least years) for each track list. How about The Flesh songs, are they circulating? i think ive only heard A couple of miles. How long is Junk Music and is it any good? ********************************************
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prinssi said: How long is Junk Music and is it any good?
It's about the length of one single side on vinyl. No one's heard it - and no, I doubt it would be very good. | |
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Here's a bit more detail on the first few projects...
The Rebels July 1979 Unfinished Band project (not sequenced) Disco Away (Dez) Hard To Get (Prince) If I Love You Tonight (Prince) Instrumental (Andre) Thrill You Or Kill You (Andre) Too Long (Dez) Turn Me On (Prince) You (Prince) Instrumental (Dez) Purple Rain November 7th 1983 Album sequence: Test Pressing made 01. Lets Go Crazy 02. The Beautiful Ones 03. Computer Blue 04. Darling Nikki 05. Wednesday 06. Purple Rain 07. I Would Die 4 U 08. Baby Im A Star 09. Father's Song Parade May 1st 1985 First configuration: 01. Wendy’s Parade 02. New Position 03. I Wonder U 04. Under The Cherry Moon 05. Others Here With Us 06. Life Can Be So Nice 07. Sometimes It Snows In April 08. Old Friends 4 Sale 09. All My Dreams The Flesh January 22nd 1986 Album sequenced: Side 1: 01. Junk Music Side 2: 02. Up From Below 03. Y'All Want Some More? 04. A Couple Of Miles Dream Factory July 18th 1986 Last Album sequence made before it was shelved: Side 1: 01. Visions 02. Dream Factory 03. Train 04. Ballad Of Dorothy Parker 05. It Side 2: 06. Strange Relationship 07. Starfish & Coffee 08. Slow Love 09. Interlude 10. I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man Side 3: 11. Sign O The Times 12. A Place In Heaven 13. Crystal Ball Side 4: 14. The Cross 15. Last Heart 16. Witness 4 The Prosecution 17. Movie Star 18. All My Dreams Camille November 5th 1986 Album sequenced: Side 1: 01. Rebirth Of The Flesh 02. Housequake 03. Strange Relationship 04. Feel U Up Side 2: 05. Shockadelica 06. Good Love 07. If I Was Your Girlfreind 08. Rockhard In A Funky Place Crystal Ball November 30th 1986 Album Sequenced: Side 1: 01. Rebirth Of The Flesh 02. Play In The Sunshine 03. Housequake 04. Ballad Of Dorothy parker Side 2: 05. It 06. Starfish & Coffee 07. Slow Love 08. Hot Thing Side 3: 09. Crystal Ball 10. If I Was Your Girlfriend 11. Rockhard In A Funky Place Side 4: 12. The Ball 13. Joy In Repitition 14. Strange Relationship 15. I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man Side 5: 16. Shockadelica 17. Good Love 18. Forever In My Life 19. Sign O The Times Side 6: 20. The Cross 21. Adore 22. It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night | |
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