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SquarePeg said: DarkKnight1 said: I dont think Im cute. I am attempting to call people out. I do have strong opinions on this album. Get offended if you wish. Sometimes thats the only way to elicit someones true convictions. Im getting some good feedback on my post so thats good enough for me. I have read some things that have also strengthened my opinions on this subject. RIGHT OR WRONG they are my opinions. Im not gonna lose any sleep over anyones opinions on me or this subject. la-di-da 
well, here's my input for the record: TRC IS A MASTERPIECE...I think it's one of the greatest albums Prince ever recorded, and I don't give a fuck who knows it  Did you like it immediately, or did it grow on you like Parade(just an example) or something. (Insert something clever here) |
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DarkKnight1 said: SquarePeg said: la-di-da
well, here's my input for the record: TRC IS A MASTERPIECE...I think it's one of the greatest albums Prince ever recorded, and I don't give a fuck who knows it Did you like it immediately, or did it grow on you like Parade(just an example) or something. see, that's the thing. almost every post eighties Prince album had to grow on me. EXCEPT TRC. The Org is the short yellow bus of the Prince Internet fan community. | |
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I think that most fans on here are pretty honest with what they like and don't. I don't see any eliteism with liking TRC. Some here like it some don't. Some like Musicology and some don't.
I think for the most part, most here like the music, and could do with out the Darth Vader cameos. All in all it was a good return to form...something we were missing for a while. He had hit the sweet spots here and there on his previous recent albums but they were a bit uneven. This was an album that was rich in sound and texture throughout; a mixture of different sounds and genres. It was also a concept album...something we hadn't heard from hinm in a long time. It was also the first time he started using his name again. I don't consider it a masterpiece...but do consider it a very formidable album...one that will stand up to time in the years to come. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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DarkKnight1 said: SquarePeg said: la-di-da
well, here's my input for the record: TRC IS A MASTERPIECE...I think it's one of the greatest albums Prince ever recorded, and I don't give a fuck who knows it Did you like it immediately, or did it grow on you like Parade(just an example) or something. I liked very very few of Prince's albums immediately after one listening (only : Contreversy, DirtyMind,  , and Gold). All the other albums took repeated listenings to like and the benefit really paid off.
However TRC, just didn't grow on me. There's so much good stuff being released by other artists that Prince now has to put out a first rate, likeable album for me to invest any time listening to it. I'm sure he'll do one again. He's only getting older, and he's gonna want to put in a few more punches before gong easily listening on us. | |
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superspaceboy said: I think that most fans on here are pretty honest with what they like and don't. I don't see any eliteism with liking TRC. Some here like it some don't. Some like Musicology and some don't.
I think for the most part, most here like the music, and could do with out the Darth Vader cameos. All in all it was a good return to form...something we were missing for a while. He had hit the sweet spots here and there on his previous recent albums but they were a bit uneven. This was an album that was rich in sound and texture throughout; a mixture of different sounds and genres. It was also a concept album...something we hadn't heard from hinm in a long time. It was also the first time he started using his name again. I don't consider it a masterpiece...but do consider it a very formidable album...one that will stand up to time in the years to come.   | |
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Lyrically I think TRC is crap. Actually, I think Prince has lost his lyrical flare. He used to be well on tha ball lyrically. These days, not so sure. Sounds rushed and uninspired. Maybe he is trying too hard... I dunno. It just aint what it was... | |
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psykosoul said: As a supporter of The Rainbow Children, I'll take the bait.
For me, The Rainbow Children represents Prince getting back to some musical attributes he abandoned for several years. One of the fascinating things about Prince is that he's always been able to take his influences and unify them while creating sounds that were uniquely his. Six years prior, when Prince released that album "he was born to make" (remember?) the majority of the music I heard from it and future releases were plastic, cold and uninspired. Out of the 4 or 5 albums he released since that time, I could probably compile a single album out of the tracks I truly enjoyed. For the first time in a long time I heard elements of classic Prince albums. I also heard echoes of Sly, Jimi, Miles and James. Beyond that, it was the first album in a long time containing predominately live instrumentation. It didn't sound forced and it came across as Prince naturally doing what he does best. So why must anyone who enjoys the Rainbow Children be victim of a "Fake Deep Syndrome" Conversely, I see Prince as the one who was a victim of a syndrome by attempting to follow hip-hop trends and formulaic R&B for all those years. Couldn't have said it better. TRC is my favourite Prince album. A much awaited and welcome return to [in the main] a live instrumentation sound. Also a world away from the plastic pop/RnB sounds of Emancipation, Rave, NPS and most of the recent NPGMC tracks - most of which are truely uninspiring. It was the album that brought me back to Prince's music - without it I wouldn't be here. | |
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AsianBomb777 said: DarkKnight1 said: Did you like it immediately, or did it grow on you like Parade(just an example) or something. I liked very very few of Prince's albums immediately after one listening (only : Contreversy, DirtyMind, , and Gold). All the other albums took repeated listenings to like and the benefit really paid off.
However TRC, just didn't grow on me. There's so much good stuff being released by other artists that Prince now has to put out a first rate, likeable album for me to invest any time listening to it. I'm sure he'll do one again. He's only getting older, and he's gonna want to put in a few more punches before gong easily listening on us. well honey, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but to me, TRC was THAT ALBUM...I loved it the second I heard it, and it was such a wonderful feeling because that hadn't happened with a Prince album in YEARS. The fact that some fans couldn't get into was testament to it's deepness. The Org is the short yellow bus of the Prince Internet fan community. | |
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As a matter of fact...I think TRC is light years better than Musicology. Musicology is lighter, poppier...TRC is way deeper...and ain't nothing "fake" about it The Org is the short yellow bus of the Prince Internet fan community. | |
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For some TRC is deep, for others - not . It depends on what you listen to. Hardcore jazz fusion and classical listeners might still call TRC a pop CD whereas pop audiences might (by comparison to what they normally listen to) call it a masterpiece. It depends on what you listen to and how it moves you. | |
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Personally, I have liked TRC a lot since the first time I put it on. The musical moments... from his guitar solos, to the horn arrangements, to JB's drums... are superb. The last Prince album I liked this much when it first came out was probably The Gold Experience.
By contrast, I have yet to be able to stomach listening to Musicology all the way through even once. I simply get too annoyed at his return to the bland production and overused sounds that have dominated most of his albums since Emancipation. Musicology sounds like more NPS/Rave/High Prince cruise-control. TRC could never be accused of that. No Candy 4 Me | |
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Does everyone who loves TRC, love NEWS as well? (Insert something clever here) |
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I love TRC but not NEWS -- it doesn't hold my interest, not anywhere close to a Madhouse album. | |
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DarkKnight1 said: Does everyone who loves TRC, love NEWS as well?
I do. But, not in its entirety. "North" really does nothing for me, but "East" and "West" are the meat of that album for me. I like "South", but the former two are easily its apex. As far as TRC, I echo many things some in this thread have said about it, and I really relate to what IstenSzek said about the minute he pressed play. From the moment that I heard that first Rhodes note and those drums it was clear to me that this album was gonna be a lot different than any of his previous albums. It's obvious Prince had something he felt a need to say with this one, as there is a sense of urgency behind it in comparison to what he had been doing for years. At one point back in the '90s I had given up on Prince. This doesn't mean that I don't think he was lax with every single song he ever released for years, it's just that as a whole this was an album that had ingredients that hadn't been there for years. Blackwell's drumming has a hand in this, and I really don't know why he didn't have him play on the Musicology album. I'm a drum fanatic, and I tend to hold the good ones in higher esteem than most. There's also some sublime guitar playing going on. Not all of it is in-your-face like one-dimensional guitar geeks tend to favor, subtlety has its (vital) place, as do the rave-ups on "Family Name" and "Last December." TRC kept me in the Prince fold after I probably would have ignored his newer work. The talent was always there, the passion and desire was missing. When talking about something being uninspired, I really have no idea how you can proclaim TRC to be, and in the same breath claim to love NPS. That's a kettle of fish I'll never understand. But I will say this, since you say you're not jazz enlightened, TRC isn't a jazz album. It's has jazz shadings, jazz tinges, but it's not jazz, tho if you're not into the genre I could understand how one wouldn't dig those shadings. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: DarkKnight1 said: Does everyone who loves TRC, love NEWS as well?
I do. But, not in its entirety. "North" really does nothing for me, but "East" and "West" are the meat of that album for me. I like "South", but the former two are easily its apex. As far as TRC, I echo many things some in this thread have said about it, and I really relate to what IstenSzek said about the minute he pressed play. From the moment that I heard that first Rhodes note and those drums it was clear to me that this album was gonna be a lot different than any of his previous albums. It's obvious Prince had something he felt a need to say with this one, as there is a sense of urgency behind it in comparison to what he had been doing for years. At one point back in the '90s I had given up on Prince. This doesn't mean that I don't think he was lax with every single song he ever released for years, it's just that as a whole this was an album that had ingredients that hadn't been there for years. Blackwell's drumming has a hand in this, and I really don't know why he didn't have him play on the Musicology album. I'm a drum fanatic, and I tend to hold the good ones in higher esteem than most. There's also some sublime guitar playing going on. Not all of it is in-your-face like one-dimensional guitar geeks tend to favor, subtlety has its (vital) place, as do the rave-ups on "Family Name" and "Last December." TRC kept me in the Prince fold after I probably would have ignored his newer work. The talent was always there, the passion and desire was missing. When talking about something being uninspired, I really have no idea how you can proclaim TRC to be, and in the same breath claim to love NPS. That's a kettle of fish I'll never understand. But I will say this, since you say you're not jazz enlightened, TRC isn't a jazz album. It's has jazz shadings, jazz tinges, but it's not jazz, tho if you're not into the genre I could understand how one wouldn't dig those shadings. ditto on everything you said... except I love North and South too.  | |
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Supernova said: DarkKnight1 said: Does everyone who loves TRC, love NEWS as well?
I do. But, not in its entirety. "North" really does nothing for me, but "East" and "West" are the meat of that album for me. I like "South", but the former two are easily its apex. As far as TRC, I echo many things some in this thread have said about it, and I really relate to what IstenSzek said about the minute he pressed play. From the moment that I heard that first Rhodes note and those drums it was clear to me that this album was gonna be a lot different than any of his previous albums. It's obvious Prince had something he felt a need to say with this one, as there is a sense of urgency behind it in comparison to what he had been doing for years. At one point back in the '90s I had given up on Prince. This doesn't mean that I don't think he was lax with every single song he ever released for years, it's just that as a whole this was an album that had ingredients that hadn't been there for years. Blackwell's drumming has a hand in this, and I really don't know why he didn't have him play on the Musicology album. I'm a drum fanatic, and I tend to hold the good ones in higher esteem than most. There's also some sublime guitar playing going on. Not all of it is in-your-face like one-dimensional guitar geeks tend to favor, subtlety has its (vital) place, as do the rave-ups on "Family Name" and "Last December." TRC kept me in the Prince fold after I probably would have ignored his newer work. The talent was always there, the passion and desire was missing. When talking about something being uninspired, I really have no idea how you can proclaim TRC to be, and in the same breath claim to love NPS. That's a kettle of fish I'll never understand. But I will say this, since you say you're not jazz enlightened, TRC isn't a jazz album. It's has jazz shadings, jazz tinges, but it's not jazz, tho if you're not into the genre I could understand how one wouldn't dig those shadings. I guess it basically comes down to my musical preferences. I grew up with little to no jazz influence. Although my view of jazz isnt TRC, I dont really have much to base that on. I would still rather listen to Wasted Kisses, Come On, Mad Sex, Until Your in my Arms Again, and The One instead of virtually anything from TRC. To each his/her own. to me and almost me alone NPS has more redeaming value than TRC. Im just strange that way. Its just become hip to bash it in the Org. (Insert something clever here) |
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DarkKnight1 said: I guess it basically comes down to my musical preferences. I grew up with little to no jazz influence. Although my view of jazz isnt TRC, I dont really have much to base that on. I would still rather listen to Wasted Kisses, Come On, Mad Sex, Until Your in my Arms Again, and The One instead of virtually anything from TRC. To each his/her own. to me and almost me alone NPS has more redeaming value than TRC. Im just strange that way. Its just become hip to bash it in the Org.
Very true. It's not really on my radar for me to bash tho, I generally don't even think of it till someone here brings it up. I notice that I tend to bash songs more than any specific albums. "Arms of Orion" is just evil incarnate. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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superspaceboy said: .
I don't consider it a masterpiece...but do consider it a very formidable album...one that will stand up to time in the years to come. I have to agree. It will age much better than some albums like NPS (I'm not a big fan of this album with exception of a few songs). I'll leave graffiti where you've never been kissed | |
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Supernova said: "Arms of Orion" is just evil incarnate.
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Snap said: Supernova said: "Arms of Orion" is just evil incarnate.
awwwww, I like that song....sheena and Prince's vocals on that song are very pretty...I wouldn't call it evil....cheesy, but not evil The Org is the short yellow bus of the Prince Internet fan community. | |
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TRC is a creative effort, it's one of his best since 1990.
I don't understand why a real Prince fan cannot like it, it's so Prince! Rainbow Children, Muse, Everywhere, Mellow, 1+1+1=3, She Loves Me 4 Me, Family Name, Everlasting Now, Last December... i like 'em all. I don't care about the message or voice-overs, it's the music and the songs that are beautiful! "U know, this is funky but I wish he'd play like he used 2, old scragglyhead." 
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DarkKnight1 said: How many of you claim to like The Rainbow Children because you want to appear more musically enlightened? MOST OF YOU WHO SWEAR BY THIS UNINSPIRED ALBUM. I have loved everythng that he has ever released, including NPS, The Vault, and every other obscure album that he has put on vinyl, cassette, or CD. Im sure that some of you truly like TRC, but most claim to like it when they actually rarely spin it. Before you even say it... Im not enlightened on jazz, Im enlightened on what music Prince releases and more importantly what music misses the mark. IMFO IMFO IMFO IMFO
You're being a bit etlitist, aren't you? Besides, get off his/your own nutsack and enjoy it for what it is. If someone else likes it, so be it. Get over yourself... STFU and enjoy life... | |
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Hey (Flame snipped - luv4u), I love TRC and spin it as much as all my other 200 Prince albums. Why? Because I love the music and believe it or not the lyrics and the theme. It's a mystical trip I love ALMOST as much as my favorite album/prince era: Around the World In A Day. TRC kind of reminds me of ATWIAD. But for you to sit on your ass and tell me (whom you don't even know) why I like an album is not only ignorant but sad.
(Flame snipped - luv4u) "So strange that no one stayed at the end of the Parade..." - Wendy & Lisa's "Song About" on their 1987 self-titled album.
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KatSkrizzle said: DarkKnight1 said: How many of you claim to like The Rainbow Children because you want to appear more musically enlightened? MOST OF YOU WHO SWEAR BY THIS UNINSPIRED ALBUM. I have loved everythng that he has ever released, including NPS, The Vault, and every other obscure album that he has put on vinyl, cassette, or CD. Im sure that some of you truly like TRC, but most claim to like it when they actually rarely spin it. Before you even say it... Im not enlightened on jazz, Im enlightened on what music Prince releases and more importantly what music misses the mark. IMFO IMFO IMFO IMFO
You're being a bit etlitist, aren't you? Besides, get off his/your own nutsack and enjoy it for what it is. If someone else likes it, so be it. Get over yourself... STFU and enjoy life... Sorry if I hurt your tender feelings. Thanks for the advice, my nutsack was starting to hurt. What the hell is an etlitist anyways? Fake deep still stands true. (Insert something clever here) |
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chookalana said:[quote](Flame snipped - luv4u) I love TRC and spin it as much as all my other 200 Prince albums. Why? Because I love the music and believe it or not the lyrics and the theme. It's a mystical trip I love ALMOST as much as my favorite album/prince era: Around the World In A Day. TRC kind of reminds me of ATWIAD.
(Flame snipped - luv4u) Wow, we are all just touchy. I cant help that an album like this needs explaining, it just does. Maybe im ignorant and sad, but im not ignorant enough to compare TRC to ATWIAD. (Insert something clever here) |
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I agree, wholeheartedly. And I DON'T spin TRC often, but that is not necessarily an indicator of how much I liked, or did not like the album. I'm spinning Musicology right now, b/c it's "hot", and I really like CMN, so I'm not ready to let it go yet. Honestly though, TRC is a much better, and artistically free album than Musicology. I just don't think that Prince fans who are not willing to be challenged to go outside of the genres they normally listen to (e.g. his "hard rock" fans might not want to hear a whole jazz album) could fully appreciate TRC. Prince has played music over the years that really challenged me, and made me look critically at types of music that I had only peripherally noticed before(e.g. new wave, 60's rock). I even thought his foray into "gangsta rap", or whatever, while an obvious attempt to placate to Black fans, and to tap into what was big in music at the time, was still commendable, because it showed that he was able to relinquish his original thoughts AGAINST rap, and give exploration of yet another new music form a try. It is that openness and creative energy that I got when I listened to TRC. Now admittedly, I did not get all deep w/ the lyrics and what-have-you, so I did not have time to get offended by the album's msg. and heavy-handed religious banter about the Witnesses. I like TRC for the SOUND of it. It's a good jazz album. And that's all I wanted it to be. It was the best that I had heard from him since The Truth, in terms of a high level of mind-expanding creativity, and just moving into a new Space, which is exactly what I expect and want to do everytime I hear a new Prince album.
>>Out of the 4 or 5 albums he released since that time, I could probably compile a single album out of the tracks I truly enjoyed. For the first time in a long time I heard elements of classic Prince albums. I also heard echoes of Sly, Jimi, Miles and James. Beyond that, it was the first album in a long time containing predominately live instrumentation. It didn't sound forced and it came across as Prince naturally doing what he does best. So why must anyone who enjoys the Rainbow Children be victim of a "Fake Deep Syndrome" Conversely, I see Prince as the one who was a victim of a syndrome by attempting to follow hip-hop trends and formulaic R&B for all those years.[/quote] "Ain' nobody BAAAAAAAD like Meeeee!" c. Morris Day | |
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DarkKnight1 said: KatSkrizzle said: You're being a bit etlitist, aren't you? Besides, get off his/your own nutsack and enjoy it for what it is. If someone else likes it, so be it. Get over yourself... STFU and enjoy life... Sorry if I hurt your tender feelings. Thanks for the advice, my nutsack was starting to hurt. What the hell is an etlitist anyways? Fake deep still stands true. pardon, nails just done,, elitist...ree ree. It kills me how folks ride this dudes nutsack. yes i'm here too, but damn. Regardless of whether or not you like this work, dude is soooo paid....off of your greenbacks and mine. That's the bottom line, sweetie | |
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chiltonmusic said: DarkKnight1 said: How many of you claim to like The Rainbow Children because you want to appear more musically enlightened? MOST OF YOU WHO SWEAR BY THIS UNINSPIRED ALBUM. I have loved everythng that he has ever released, including NPS, The Vault, and every other obscure album that he has put on vinyl, cassette, or CD. Im sure that some of you truly like TRC, but most claim to like it when they actually rarely spin it. Before you even say it... Im not enlightened on jazz, Im enlightened on what music Prince releases and more importantly what music misses the mark. IMFO IMFO IMFO IMFO
Why does it have to be about this or that? Why can't TRC just be what it is. Either you enjoyed it or you did not. No biggie. I think people need to stop comparing each and everyone of Princes albums. I don't think he really creates music with those thoughts in his mind anyway. I would rather view and listen to certain artists (Prince is one of those artists') albums the same way I would read a great book or comic book. I think people should just like and dislike the albums for their own merits and not so much because of any preconcieved notions. Peace
i completely agree, Chilton. We all bring our own experiences, preferences, and biases to our listening experience. The Rainbow Children is pleasing to my ears. I haven't deconstructed it to decide why, I just know that I like to listen to it. Whether or not someone else likes what I like isn't important or of interest to me. http://elmadartista.tumblr.com/ http://twitter.com/madartista | |
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KatSkrizzle said: DarkKnight1 said: Sorry if I hurt your tender feelings. Thanks for the advice, my nutsack was starting to hurt. What the hell is an etlitist anyways? Fake deep still stands true. pardon, nails just done,, elitist...ree ree. It kills me how folks ride this dudes nutsack. yes i'm here too, but damn. Regardless of whether or not you like this work, dude is soooo paid....off of your greenbacks and mine. That's the bottom line, sweetie He is paid. Im not denying his greatness either. Im definately not riding his nutsack. This is the only album that I have ever questioned. I appreciate your candor. I just simply question some of the objectivity with regards to this album. Im not too self important to think that everyone should have my opinions on Prince's music. If everyone agreed on all fronts, then this and every other forum website would be irrelevent. Im not hatin Prince, thats the last thimg I will ever do. Well.....that, and riding his nutsack.  (Insert something clever here) |
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DarkKnight1 said: Another question while staying on this topic.
Is there any other Prince album that reaches either end of the fan spectrum, ie Love/Hate, than The Rainbow Children? Weeeeel....Chaos & Disorder pretty much SUCKED, save 4 Dinner W/ Delores, and that's only because I thought the line "Like a Brontosaurus She was packin' it in" was funny!  "Ain' nobody BAAAAAAAD like Meeeee!" c. Morris Day | |
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