LittleLamb said:

roflmbatfooooo!!!!!

oh my GAWD, man...stop it, you're killin me over here, gonna have me dead at the age of 23 from a laughter overdose....oooooh.....will the jive-assery never cease? littlelamb, you're still very much a newbie to this site so you might not know this as of yet or haven't tuned into this...on this site, there is a very wide dearth of people who are knowledgeable about all sorts of music, not just r & b and whatever else. and guess what?







...may wanna sit down for this one, cuz it's a shocker...


























...some of the folks are BLACK. can you believe it? ain't that shocking? know how i know? i'm also over on the non-prince forum on a daily basis, and all sorts of music is talked about by folks of whatever race. it'd be sorta nice for you to swing over to the non-prince forum one of these days (i.e. LIKE RIGHT NOW) and see what folks chat about. i'll be more than happy to get into a conversation with you about all the new stuff i'm learning about the histories of east and west coast punk rock...if you were at my house i'd hip you to some ramones or the cars or tell ya about the time i went to see slipknot back before they became big stars or--hold it, something's gonna be a bit of a damper for ya if i were to tell you any of this, because i'm black. pardon me while i go "limit myself", mm?

you honestly should open your eyes a bit wider than the slits you have 'em in. sweeping generalizations about folks are never good...and what's more, you're sayin all of this on a site dedicated to a brotha who don't give a fuck about "limits". saddening, really.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Sorry, I messed up the previous post....ignore


Handclaps, thank you for that! I REALLY needed that. I thank you for injecting some ol' fashioned common sense back into this disscussion. And I got a good ol laugh to boot!

i think you guys are to sensitive to what littlelamb said. bill cosby said some similar stuff a couplemonths back in front of a black audience, and they mostly agreed.my opinion is that all races do it, but white people can get away with it cuz white culture is poular culture. i really wish yall in the u.s. were fortunate enough to be living in the melting pot called canada, and this wouldn't even be an issue.

LittleLamb said
AND AGAIN, i would not be pissed if a non-black said this to me, I HAVE HAD SIMILAR STUFF SAID TO ME, by all races, about the black race and it doesn't piss me off most times because I agree.[/quote]

That is the saddest part of all. The fact that someone could make such comments and not only do you NOT have an issue with that, but you agree. That was my original point but it would appear that you have missed it. It seems to have gone over your head like a low-flying aircraft. Sad, too sad.

jacknapier said:

i agree with all of what he said too...thing of it is he didn't sound so condescending, like what littlelamb posted. there is a difference.

prettymansson said:

I don't know what black neighborhood you grew up in but in Dallas Prince was, is and always will be the shit!! I mean there has always been the Prince is gay thing and he did help create that. But I always have known black folks to give it up to him. Now he gets the love that he deserves because on all the levels rappers talk about Prince has succeeded far beyond them.

Peace

ScreamsofPassion said:

That is the saddest part of all. The fact that someone could make such comments and not only do you NOT have an issue with that, but you agree. That was my original point but it would appear that you have missed it. It seems to have gone over your head like a low-flying aircraft. Sad, too sad. [/quote]

i still think what littlelamb said had some merit and it is unfortunate that his point was overshadowed by poor wording and ill communication. his mistake was limiting the generalization to the black race rather than commenting on the "scape goat phenomenon" that has been plagueing human civilization(all races) for years.ie the way some minorities deal with being discriminated against (black, asain, gay, jew, red, yellow, purple,) is by discriminating against a smaller group of their own minority.take this as some black people singleling out effeminate men, these effeminate men backlashing , or you can think about how the christians were treated at the beginning of christianity, or how the germans scapegoated the jews in response to frances absurd demands after the 1st world war. i hope you can see my 747 flying way higher than your shitty little two seater.

jacknapier said:

You have your interpretation on what was meant by Littlelamb's comments and I have mine. Somehow I believe that what was expressed was expressed in exactly the way it was intended and it was certainly not obscured by faulty communication for me. But c'est la vie. Littlelamb or anyone else can subscribe to whatever beliefs about the nature of Black folks that they want. I am done with this.

First off, Little Lamb is a girl and second of all ghetto black youths need to hear what Bill Cosby is saying and actually listen to his words and sit down and ponder, but oh I forgot, ghetto youths are too cool to actually think about something (except who they are going to f--- next!).

OH, it makes me sick and ghetto youths don't realize that what they want out of life is so disgusting. What other race is full of people that want to go to jail and sell drugs and look at college as a "not cool" thing? Aaugh, it makes me want to pull out my hair!

I grew up around this nonsense and I so glad I got the father I got. He kept me in the house, listend to his Santana and Prince records and sade Records all day long; and in the house, locked up and isolated, I developed a personality bigger than being just some ghetto youth.
I thank my Aunt and my uncle (who so happens to be Greek) for showing me another way of life.


I sound bitter cos it's those ghetto youths that gave me the most trouble growing up. They "ranked" on how I dressed. Laughed because I would dance barefoot outside. Laughed because I would be in the house writing stories instead of f---ing every dern body on the block. It was those ghetto boys (even in college) that told me that I was "white acting" cos I majored in English. What, am I supposed to do nursing like every other ghetto black girl in the world? Yeah, my words are harsh, but how they treated me and my sister (LITTLELAMB) was harsher.

That is why those people today are fast and knocked up, locked up and have nothing whatsoever going for them! AND they blame the white man? Whatever!!

PRINCE is trying to stick up for black people now, but oh yeah back in the day, before he was big time, he said, "DON'T MAKE ME BLACK" -- so how do you-all feel about that? That is the PRINCE that makes me NOD and say, "I agree." Don't make me out to be some ghetto youth just because my skin is brown. No, I don't want to rob the liquour store with you just cos my skin is brown. I'd rather be in my room daydreaming and writing and dancing to PRINCE -- if that makes me "not black" so be it.

TheDreamingPeasant said:

yep, same thing with me, too: i got a lotta shit for the way i spoke/acted and how i dressed from other brothas and sistas as well--hell, even members of my own damned family give me shit about how i am. it don't mean that i go around making blind assertions about how folks are.

Not only did Video Soul play Prince's videos, other video shows on BET did as well.

Video Vibrations was a two hour video program that only had a voice intro into the videos. There were two hour video shows dedicated to Prince.

During the SOTT/Lovesexy era, Prince's band was on Video Soul. I can remember Donnie Simpson question Cat about her relationship with Prince.

I grew up in the 80s and was a fan of Prince and never had problems with anyone.

I wonder why Prince hasn't said anything negative about BET since they are owned by the same company.

BET despite the bullshit they have in rotation is one of the few channels where you could actually catch a Prince video. Midnight Love is the only music program that has consistently shown Prince love when NOBODY else would play his videos. Of course you wouldn't catch it on 106&Park or one of the other video shows that present the same bullshit all morning and afternoon. But since Prince is "old-school" now, I guess the only reasonable time to catch one of his videos (if he had one) would be via Midnight Love. The only time I saw videos like Somebody's Somebody, The One, U Make My Sun Shine or Call My Name for that matter, it's been on BET. I won't condone the bullshit they play, but I will admit that they are probably the only music channel that has attempted to keep Prince in rotation.

I grew up in the 1980s also. Black people were the majority of Prince fans in the early 1980s. A lot of black people I knew back then, ESPECIALLY the males, thought Prince was the baddest motherfucker to ever sing a note. There were a few assholes that said he was a faggot but the majority couldn't get enough of Prince. I knew many a black guy back then that would kick your ass if you called Prince a faggot.

When white people first saw Prince on Solid Gold in 1983, they immediately came to school the following Monday saying "did you see that faggot on Solid Gold last Saturday" and at the same time, they were listening to Motley Crue who was wearing full makeup and lipstick.

As for BET.....it used to be the shit back in the day. BET loved Prince back then. Hip hop is the cause for BET turning into a bunch of bullshit. As for Soul Train....I wish it would go ahead and go off the air because it is destroying the memory of what used to be a damned good show. If it doesn't go off the air, it should at least change it's name to the "Hip Hop Train" because that is what it is now.

BET hasn't been shit for almost 15 years now. Donnie Simpson was the best thing on BET and he was replaced by ingnorant speaking hip hop idiots.

as for my side of things, i ain't too sure about how folks in des moines felt about ol' boy. my older sister has been a fan since '79 or so, but i dunno how it all was since i didn't grow up with her around (i was raised an only child). i remember watchin prince videos all the time on the jukebox network and watchin friday night videos all the time when i was younger, and taping "the arms of orion" and stuff like that off the radio. when i was in high school and i started gettin into p a bit more, people knew that i liked him a lot and some of my classmates would just ask me the typical stuff, like "does he still go by that symbol?" and "is he gay?" nobody gave me shit for liking 'im, they could've cared less. grunge and alternative rock were the big "in" things at the time.

my guess is that in des moines back in p's heydays, there were prince fans...then again, it's the midwest. we never heard too much of anything new as it was and when we did, it came late as hell.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

I experienced the same shit. Guess it's so hard for some folks to understand why some folks will call u out of your race bc u don't speak like a street thug & u speak correct english. I got this throughout my life as recent as a couple of months ago from a Latinia girl girl who is married 2 a black man. This girl had the nerve 2 say I was a white guy in a black man body. Because of the way I dressed & didn't listen to the latest rap joints & don't dress like the black guys in rap videos. And this Latin woman dyes her hair blond. OOhhhh I gave her an earful. I feel like I don't fit in at work with all the so-called cool/down white guys who act like Slim Shady and the rap lovin black dudes. Most everyone knows I'm a diehard Prince fan and that may be a outcast from any group at work. I hang with women a lot which is fine by me

can someone summarize this thread for me...I'm too lazy to read it :confused:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Ohhh, yes he did Dansa. When he started complaining about Black people naming their kids "Muhammad," not only did he come across condescending, he appeared ashamed of something that had no inherent shame, not to mention the irresponsibility of his statement implying cops killing Black men for petty things is justified...but that's another thread, and I won't threadjack this thread with it.

Anyhoo, I have to halfway agree with gman, and SquarePeg. Although as a kid I never got laughed at about digging Prince, I did get snide remarks about digging him - from BOTH Blacks and Whites. Hell, even a couple of those in my family. Even as a kid it never swayed my opinion, or made me self-counscious about it. Some people just couldn't get past Prince's image, but I didn't give a flyin rat's ass.

Nobody looked like that, and some people weren't having that! It was in-your-face, because bikin briefs, trench coats, Little Richard hair, leg warmers, etc. - that iconoclastic image didn't exactly put their conventional sensibilities at ease.

I don't know that it's completely about color tho, I had a White classmate who, once she knew I was a Prince fan asked, "Isn't he gay?"..... Is there some general rule/myth that gayosity precludes one from creating great work? Because it was a common question back in the '80s by people of both hues.

In retrospect I think that gave me even more of a reason to love the guy, because not only did nobody look like that, nobody sounded like that either. This was not my mother's music, hell, this wasn't my older sister's music who was a child during the Father Knows Best era (she's only 8 years older than Prince) - Prince was MINE. And as an adult I can only have a "told you so" attitude, because they'd never make the same remarks today that they used to...they'd concede I was right, if I brought it up and grilled 'em about it. I guess my other older sister was good for something, she was the same age as Prince and was responsible for me being cognizant of Prince beyond "Soft and Wet" in '78...she had the For You album.


Oh, as far as BET, phuck 'em. It hasn't been a useful network in ages, so don't expect it to be.

You know another point that I need to make about this thread. BET has always supported Prince as the genius that he is. This is nothing new. They even played on the channel and on their web site 'Gotta Broken Heart Again' from the 'Live at the Aladin DVD.' So I don't exactly know what the overall point of this thread is.

If your point is that African Americans don't support Prince I am going to have to say untrue. I have always seen huge amounts of AA's at his concerts. If your point is that AA's radio stations no longer support him then I will say you are 100% right.

I mean when you look at it. Where have MTV and VH1 been all these years? Yet you are attacking the one station that has consistently played his videos and music. I just find that a little un-informed about that part of your post.

The part that I find very truthful is the way that many AA's became enamored with Gangsta rap and Prince was no longer the ideal view of what a African American male should look and act like. I think to some degree that is generational and shouldn't be just thrown on AA's that don't like Prince.

I mean it seems as if you think that Prince has had the same problems with an AA audience as say a Lenny Kravitz. I really don't believe that to be true. Lenny went rock and Prince always even when he has done rock found a way to make it remarkably funky!!

Peace

I remember BET back in the very early 1990s playing Lenny Kravitz, Terrence Trent D'Arby, and the black rock group, Living Colour on a show called "Video Vibrations". BET used to support ALL black music but now all it supports is hip hop.
[Edited 9/2/04 21:13pm]

In DC in the 80's you liked one or a combination of the following: Prince, MJ, Go-go and/or rap. Rock was a nono. It was all about being cool and that meant you couldn't be different in any way (dress, speech, etc.) . Girls were given an easier time for liking Prince because they thought he was fine and all that. If you were a guy however, you were NOT cool for liking either Prince or MJ. I know what you guys mean and I agree. But screw it; personally, if the people appreciate him now then cool. Better late than never you know? If they're just on the bandwagon, then screw 'em. They'll always ALWAYS be on the bandwagon and to me that's where I feel sorry for them.

chiltonmusic said:

I agree with all points except the one saying AA radio no longer supports him. If a city is lucky enough to have an adult (A/C) urban station, then Prince will be in the mix for sure.

TheDreamingPeasant said:

If Prince was trying to say "don't make me black" back in the day, then he sure fooled me with his obvious James Brown influence.

Anyway, all this talk about people kicking people's ass for liking Prince because he was "different" back in the day is straight up crazy. Prince, back in the day, was like Usher today. He was played on top 40/pop radio and splashed on countless covers of Right On and Black Beat (black teen mags). He set the trend -- it was "cool" to be so-called different. Despite being the status-quo, it is black radio and BET that supported his music. I sure never saw The Family's video or "Mountains" on MTV.

You wanna talk about being questioned for being different? Try telling that to a sister who grew up listening to THE CLASH, BLACK FLAG and THE DEAD KENNEDYS, alongside her R&B & hip-hop faves, and then we can have a real discussion.

Many of us love Prince. (I just started thinking about the countless routines by black comedians like Jamie Foxx who have a routine dedicated to how Prince is the bomb.) But as you well know, all black people don't do the same things. Don't get mad at the ones who don't like him and prefer gospel or whatever. For all you know, Prince will be making a gospel record dedicated to Jehovah in 5 years and all the people who you are judging will love him.

signed,
Proud to be a black Prince fan who doesn't lump all people into stereotypes (like you know who).

TheDeacon said:

Fucking hell man, it's not from that concert...
http://www.prince.org/msg...sg_1854832

Neversin.

jacknapier said:

I agree wholeheartledly. Hopefully my exodus to Canada will come sooner than later.
[Edited 9/3/04 6:26am]

Supernova said:

Supernova holds it down again!!! BTW, your comments about Cosby's remarks are dead on.

Neversin said:

Thanks, i think

"Prince, back in the day, was like Usher today.."

Um, no.

Bobby Brown, back in the day, was like Usher is today.

Usher is not like Prince was.
Usher is not even like MJ was.

soulsis said:

Crazy, but true. I experienced this firsthand (well not ass kickings but most definately ridicule.)



That didn't make him like Usher, sweetie. That made him Prince.




I totally agree with that.



I did. But, I'm sure BET played those videos way more often than MTV did.




I know that's right. Hello, The Cure?

and btw....after thorougly reading the articles in that BET.COM special, I've come to the conclusion that some black people STILL don't get it. Those articles were so stupid.

TheDreamingPeasant said:

I can honestly say that this is one of the most ridiculous posts that I have read on the org. And what's saddest about it, is that you do the same thing to the "ghetto youth" that you accuse them of doing to you. You (and I can only assume your sister) don't want people stereotyping you and making assumptions, but your post is FULL of both assumptions and stereotypes.

Pot.

Kettle.

Black.




Oh, and when I was growing up in small town Louisiana (just outside of New Orleans), black people LOVED Prince. The black radio stations always played all of his songs, including b-sides. We even had our local Prince clones, who wore pirate shirts and purple all the time. One of the more "Prince'd out" ones even wrote music, and he would come to the area churches and play and sing his compostiions all the time. And everyone supported him, even though we all recognized he was....well....no Prince. And all of these people were black. The idea that anybody gave grief to Prince fans just seems so odd to me, as I never experienced it growing up.

Even now, everytime I go home I still catch Prince songs being played on Q93.3, the main urban station. They were even rocking Musicology on the regular. In fact, last time I was home, I caught Anotherloverhole..., Hot Thang, and If I Was Your Girlfriend, all on one Saturday.


S

Neversin said:

Great post cos it's just true... Everybody's sucking Prince's dick now, but back in the day you were either a faggot or a bitch if you were in to Prince... Fuck all these bandwagon jumpers...

Neversin.
[Edited 9/2/04 8:39am]
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Back in the day? Back in the day? Try 9 months ago.

They all suck.

Truth.