Nocturnal said:

Could we make that a Diet Coke? I'm getting big as a house as it is.

TEAM EVIL WHITE MALE

MaquisVixen said:

O lord amen get the funk out can I hear a oo-lord

Number23 said:

I also remember reading that interview. I'll try and find it 2!

I totally agree except for calling him a fool. A fool could not produce classic albums like Sign O The Times, Parade or Purple rain. Prince can write a killer party jam, but the more serious his songs get, the more lame they become. As for music, he ran out of gas in the mid 90s. He will always be a great live performer, but his last bunch of albums including Musicology are weak rehashes of 70s and 80s funk and pop. I have been going to his concerts since the Controversey Tour. I think the current Musicology Tour is one of his very best. and I definitely think his current band is easily his best, (Except for Candy who is lame)especially John the drummer. He blows away any drummer Prince has ever had.

okay, not going to college doesn't have a lot to do with it, there are many fools that attend college or even founded colleges... and there are many many fools that were great artists... and still are. And I mean fool in the old sense... mentally handicapped or "aberrated"...

Supernova said:

tricky99 said:

And whats the problem with comparing songs? Not a one, there have been many a debate (and good ones too) on songs on this website surely you've been around long enough to notice this as well. Sorry we all cant be as embroiled in the art as you obviosuly are. Why get your panties in a bunch over what people choose to start a thread over when you can easily skip it? Once again I say, people have totally overlooked the fact that people can say and write about anything they choose.

I still say America is better than TUSOD.

and

Prince isnt a fool as much as he is cynical.
[This message was edited Tue Aug 17 22:59:05 2004 by CherrieMoonKisses]

Prince ISN"T a FOOL! I"LL ALWAYS Love HIM But he's GOTTA Stop like JUDGING PEOPLE"S ACTIONS..WHY DOES HE CARE WHAT OTHERS are DOING? FORGET THAT ALREADY..PLUS he GOTTA GET With some MORE SEX.. He's Gonna DRY-UP. Man is a Beast that is Taming For NOTHING....The MAN SIZZLES..WHAT THE HELL IS HE CALMING HIMSELF? HIDING and TAMINg? HE"S STILL YOUNG lots of ENERGY What's he Not GIVING IT all Up For? He's gonna be sorry when he's Older and Can't do what he can Now.. He Gotta Get it Going On MORE!!!
[This message was edited Tue Aug 17 23:06:49 2004 by Zelaira]

Let's see his father was a LADY"S

Great thread!!!

I think one thing ppl often miss is - P is playful! Sure, sometimes he's overly cryptic, and sometimes that's hiding an absence of deep thought. Yeah, and sure he sometimes takes himself too seriously (like most of the '90s ). But often he's just messing with u. I think his not being explicit is actually often an attempt to open up discussion rather than close it. Ever noticed that he uses questions a lot? Or else throws up open-ended statements, or hides his most contoversial comments under quotes from fictitious narrators (Even "Ain't no use in voting" falls under this category as it's part of a fictitious letter to "Mr. Man")?

Remember he's also a product of his times. The '80s was a time of massive conformism and pre-packaged "truths". There was no dialogue, no discussion, no questioning. The form that P's lyrics took was produced to buck THAT system from within. It's no wonder he faded in the early '90s when the discourse blew wide open, and certainties went out the window.

We're now in a period which is a kind of parody of the '80s, with George W. as a parody of the already-caricaturistic Reagan-Bush prezzies. There is an attempt to re-impose false certainties, but after the confusion of the '90s it all rings evenmore insincere and self-serving than 20 years ago. I think P's regained relevance has something to do with all this.

Dear Mr. Man and the War suffer from their echoes of Gil Scott-Heron who is a far deeper political thinker than P probably wants to b. On the other hand they also gain from the linkages. It's almost like P saying - "here are some more cryptic messages about some really important stuff and if you want to know more go listen to GSH"!

Still, SOTT and Dance On were great SOCIAL COMMENTARIES, and the whole Love4One Another phase was interesting and a bit ahead of its time - running self-help workshops for single mothers, promoting urban agriculture, food drives at concerts (rather than giving away a portion of the ticket!!!). I actually miss that down to earth stuff!!

do we take prince a little too seriously around here?

i wouldn't look to him for political insight. i'd read the newspaper and form my own opinions.

Heiress said:

That's a wise statement , however you don't need any political insight if you don't vote anyway . If I were you, I wouldn't bother reading the newspaper (at least the sections about politics). If I am not willing to take the responsibility I am offered (and it's great that I am offered it I am very thankful and don't take it for granted ) as it doesn't make any sense...But maybe that's the reason you wrote "would"....

BanishedBrian said:

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I do not care for Talib as a rapper. That is my opinion. I don't predict a rosey futrue for him.
If he succeeds great but it does not look good right now. Don't be a music snob a write-me off
I listen to a lot of music and I don't like 90% of the crap that is on the radio. I am just not feeling him.

silentflute said:

Serious said:

I think she meant political insight in the sense of "being up on things" or being aware of what's going on in the world. Voting has little to do with it. There are plenty of people who vote and have no clue what's going on.

OdysseyMiles said:

It's true that there are many people who vote and have no clue. But what's the sense of being aware what's going on , but refusing to help changing it . If I inform myself and come to the conclusion that it is time for a political change in my country I have the duty to vote, if I don't I am guilty of all evil that might happen if my country is heading in the wrong direction . IMO there is no excuse for such an irresponsible behaviour

tricky99 said:

The facts speak for themselves-- the only ignorance here is on your part.Take his entire output since 78 till 2004.Look at the percentage of songs that fall in this category ,then come back and talk.
Or better yet, attempt to prove me wrong.
[This message was edited Wed Aug 18 6:52:32 2004 by silentflute]

Serious said:

Hey, more power to ya . You see it as "irresponsible". I see it as knowing where to put my faith, and being honest about it. Again, just my .

silentflute said:

ok here's 5 cds
batman
purple rain
musicology
gold experience
the rainbow children

What songs on these songs are specifically about sex or "or girl done him wrong" not very many. name them for me.

obi-wan said, " who's the more foolish? The fool or the one who follows it?"

tricky99 said:

Off the top of my head--319,i hate u,darling nikki,lemon crush,scandalous,mellow,erotic city,feel u up,sex,I love u in me,billy jack bitch,endorphinemachine,shhh

dissecting each album is hit or miss.A better approach: Using uptown's Vault book,look up all officially released prince songs(including for other artists)--mark all the ones that fall into those 2 categories and u'll see what i'm talking about.

ufoclub said:

So he's a mentally handicapped fool and you knew this, as you say, from the moment you listened to Purple Rain?...and your interest in him continued 20 years later? I see.

Supernova said:

silentflute said:

that's a cop out. erotic city, feel u up, i love u in me and sex or not on any of those albums (not on any albums period really, they were collected together and released as a unit on the hits/b-sides by warner bros.). U sure your a fan lol? those are all b-sides. Billy jack bitch is not about sex at all. Obiviously u haven't paid any attention to the lyrics. Truly prince has written about sex but u over state your case.

tricky99 said:

[This message was edited Wed Aug 18 12:32:13 2004 by silentflute]

OdysseyMiles said:

Yes...him being a JW may factor into his desicion to vote or not to vote, but that is a far cry from insinuating that he is condoning that no one votes given what he says in the song. That is simply ridulous, and the other Black doesn't seem to grasp that.

"Is it Silly No,
When the Rocket Ship Explodes,
And Everybody STill wants to FLY!
Some Said Man ain't happy unless man truely Dies"


This thread can end now!!!

BlackandRising said:

I've already explained that my comments weren't directed specifically towards the lyrics to the song, but to his general attitude overall about voting. YOU can't seem to grasp THAT, can you? We can sit here and play semantics forever, but ANYONE who speaks out in any form against voting is speaking against choice. Foolish? YES. That is my point. Period. Arguing the details does not stray away from the point. Whether he himself votes or not - I could give a fuck less. I'm voting. Anyone with any sense is, too. Every other drone can sit back and throw away their rights as Americans if they like. Doing so does make you foolish on some levels. Is my point clear enough now?

BlaqueKnight said:

LMAO

I just wanted to see how pissed you'd get. But, your point is still as cloudy as a pint of Guiness, given that he has never directly stated that one should not vote. You may want to review what you posted on this subject.
Someone speaking out about the perception that one's vote does not count, and advising someone not to vote are two different matters entirely. If you can direct me to a quote where Prince specifically states that one should not vote, period, I will leave the org for a day or two.