"There are many musicians who can play all the instruments on their lps if they so choose"
- Well, in this case I have to defend Prince. I dont know Bootsy´s career well (shame on me), but most of these so called multi-instrumentalists only play the basics of basics. I wouldnt say Prince is a master of bass, drums, guitar, piano (the instrument he plays better IMO) or the other 22 instruments (LOL), but he is very good on each one. I never heard Lenny soloing jazzy stuff on piano, or Terence Trent Darby playing slap bass and soloing on drums | |
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Batdance said: Difficult question because people have different talents. Prince of course is talented, but he got that way by studying other artists and then adapting and combining what he learned from them.
It could be argued that James Brown is more talented than Prince. JB's showmanship in his heyday was incredible. Prince was definitely influenced by JB's Famous Flames band with the funk nasty horns, dancing girls, and sexy dance music. JB's music, his wild outfits, wild permed hair styles also influenced Prince. Prince studied JB's music and his style. So who is greater, the teacher or the student? Same for Jimi Hendrix and Sly Stone. Prince studied them, the way they played, the way they dressed and then adapted it for himself. Prince was intrigued by the Family Stone as an interracial band. Sly & the Family Stone influenced Prince to create The Revolution as an interracial band that would have blacks and whites, males and female musicians. Prince also learned from observing Stevie Wonder and Al Green. Prince admired Sly and JB so much that once he had been in the business for a while and had become a respected musician, he was able to add band members from JB's camp (Maceo) and from Sly's camp (Larry Graham) for his own band. It has long been said that Prince is a sponge. He learns from and then absorbs what he admires in others. So, it could be debated all day and we still wouldn't have an answer to whether Prince is more talented than his teachers -- James Brown, Hendrix, Sly, Stevie, Al Green, and a few others. Well put...nothing more to be said.. "..Just close your eyes and count to 10...and when U open 'em I'll B standing naked with nuthin' but a SMILE on.." | |
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GustavoRibas said: - Ah, Pfunk....dont pretend you didnt understand my point. Of course every artist wants to share his/her art with the bigger number of people, and art entertains people, so every artist is an entertainer....I agree with you
The point is: there are some artists that put their art in front of business, money and limos. Others dont. Cant you see a difference between Duke Ellington and Britney? It´s all about being a creative force, dedication to the music, etc. About MJ, I honestly think he is a slave from his producers, unlike Prince. MJ has a good voice, he sings well, and wrote some cool songs in the past. But right now, I dont think he takes his music as seriously as Prince. It seems he is more worried about dancing well (some concerts were lip-synched) and making money than actually sitting down and writing music. It´s my point of view HUH? I don't exude sincerity? I've been practicing! If you criteria is "being a creative force, dedication to the music, etc." , then you do not know what you are talking about in regards to Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson has been active in music much longer than Prince. With the Jackson5 they've had a string of top selling albums and #1 hit singles, plus worldwide tours. Is that not a life dedicated to music? Plus an animated Sat morning TV cartoon show that featured Black characters as the stars and their own music! You may not like his new music, but even to this day MJ is still a creative force. You want to argue MJ vs Prince (who by the way has not had a hit in years) go on. That's a "fool's argument", that I won't bother with. You want to proclaim something about MJ 's media obsessiveness go on, I totally agree with you. Though I'm hardly a fan of MJ, I know I spent a good time o f my teenage years partying hard to Jackson Five songs and for you to say MJ has "no respect for music" is one of the most asinine things I've ever heard!! Yep, you're perfectly entitled to you point of view, even if its makes no sense! BTW: Music is made by professionals to be sold. Duke did it. Brittney, Prince and MJ all do it: sell their songs to make money. Go sit out on your back stoop, invite some friends over and play them a song. That could be music for art's sake, but everybody who does it for a living is looking to be paid for their work, their genius, their inspiration test | |
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GustavoRibas said: I dont know Bootsy´s career well (shame on me), but most of these so called multi-instrumentalists only play the basics of basics. I wouldnt say Prince is a master of bass, drums, guitar, piano (the instrument he plays better IMO) or the other 22 instruments (LOL), but he is very good on each one. I never heard Lenny soloing jazzy stuff on piano, or Terence Trent Darby playing slap bass and soloing on drums
Knowing that you have not seen Prince Live, how do you know you've heard him doing these things? While it's true you may have identified his style, looks like you're relying on credits that could be scrambled, erroneous or just PR propaganda. RE BOOTSY: Indeed the shame is on you. You'd actually get a better understanding of Prince if you got deep into Bootsy. test | |
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soulpower said: hmmmm ricco, I dont think I was getting uptight. actually I am quite relaxed and open to the genius of other artists. nice to hear from you that you are as well. but earlier on this thread it was YOU who sounded really uptight when you said:
There ain't NO FUCKIN BODY BETTER !!!!! if this man were to make whole albums on one instrument per, you will get my pointe ,the people U'all are comparing him too only play that one instrument, the aftershows is where he gets off.....Prince on dancing, Please.....can't nobody fuck with us.....Voice.....come on.....This is something I never thought I'd be doing with another Prince fan(s), I've been doing this with other people all my life..... that sounds a little different from what you have said last. believe me, I am not questioning Prince's genius. I never will. I am questioning people who are so focused on one man and his gifts that they are blind for the others. most of all I am questioning people on the org who are trying to shut up people an posting a critical analysis. I think we need to keep in mind that most posters, by their own admission, are not really rabid fans of many other musicians. Some readily admit PRINCE is the only thing they listen to. As you read some of these posts just nod your head and pat them on the back. One day their horizons will broaden. test | |
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Ifsixwuz9 said: I hope this was a joke. No joke..if u read my other posts..u will understand why i believe this too be true.. Id like to second the Teena Marie mention...Wonderful Bliss!! Also like to give props to "soul" for putting things in perspective..... Can I add one more to my list? Aimee Mann....Her song "Nothing Is Good Enough" sorta personifies some people around here. Heed this if you only listen to Prince: Critics at their worst could never criticize the way that you do no, theres no one else, I find, to undermine a dash of hope quite like you and you do it so casually, tooo Cause nothing is good enough for people like you who have to have someone take the fall and something to sabotage- determined to lose it all _aimee mann | |
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soulpower said: hmmmm ricco, I dont think I was getting uptight. actually I am quite relaxed and open to the genius of other artists. nice to hear from you that you are as well. but earlier on this thread it was YOU who sounded really uptight when you said:
There ain't NO FUCKIN BODY BETTER !!!!! if this man were to make whole albums on one instrument per, you will get my pointe ,the people U'all are comparing him too only play that one instrument, the aftershows is where he gets off.....Prince on dancing, Please.....can't nobody fuck with us.....Voice.....come on.....This is something I never thought I'd be doing with another Prince fan(s), I've been doing this with other people all my life..... that sounds a little different from what you have said last. believe me, I am not questioning Prince's genius. I never will. I am questioning people who are so focused on one man and his gifts that they are blind for the others. most of all I am questioning people on the org who are trying to shut up people an posting a critical analysis. I still say Ain't no Fuckin Body better, I'm not gonna keep on this topic, and I have been focused on this man all my life and many other artist, everybody has there own style I fill he does it better than anyone else I'm sorry, I guess that's why I'm obsessed, i hear these one hit wonders everyday that's what they say Prince is can U believe that!!!! I am a die hard in every since of the word, and I really do get pissed when U guys compare him to these one styled artist who do not branch out there music skills, one more timeThere Ain't No FUCKIN BODY BETTER!!!!! | |
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soulpower said: btw ricco, I love your airbrush-work. in your profile you say you spent your whole life painting prince. I would love to see you do somebody else, theres so many impressive faces out there in music...
Thanks, I was waiting on this one. I have been in the music industry selling my work since 1987' look at the salt and pepa video for "be yourself" U will see mee in the shop doing a jacket!!!! if U know of a group called GUY there a group from the late 80's with Teddy Riley I've done all the work on there cloths if U can get ahold of there video's, I ve lived in las Vegas for three years, my biggest sellers there were ELVIS, MARYLN MONROE, BARBARA STREISAND, PRINCESS DIANA, BETTE MIDLER, ETC. whatever anyone has come up with I've painted even done Micheal Jackson even one for him and Madonna I'm not a hater of any of those other people just Prince happens to my personal favorite...Peace | |
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I just wanna know is this Prince.org or Go listen to somebody else's Music.comDamn | |
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SoSexy said: (Skletonkee) Its all good.. U koo, I don't really know if U meant the getting upset or taking something personal 2 me, cause I'm not...I feel very chilled, & at peace. But somethings should b said, & when your wrong U are indeed wrong. But its still koo~ I have no beef with MJ other then he wanted 2 B Prince's skin tone and went a bit over-board. So then is it safe 2 say: (If Prince wasn't so light in skin color MJ wouldn't look so faded?) Controversy....AKA straight yucky maddness~
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RiccotheArtist said: I just wanna know is this Prince.org or Go listen to somebody else's Music.comDamn
Read the goddamn heading on the motherfuckin' thread. DUH! It's gonna invite references to other people DUH! wotadafuckizdaproblem? test | |
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ricco.
you are alright... i feel where you are comming from...just because you are passionate about an artist does not mean you are ignorant of everyone else's abilities. or not KNOWLEDGEABLE about whats up !!! i have produced songs for artist that get dissed and praised on this site all the time.its funny when people try to assuse that they hold the KEY to all that is whorthy and forward thinking. keep rockin. you work is great peace. ps we know aint nobody one on one gonna take out prince from country to funk !!! (for the literal...im saying as a producer, player, performer. smooth lookin pimp soul brother).!!!!! | |
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ricco...i think everybody here respects your enjoyment for purplefunk...
speaking for myself..i like to hear what other people dig....ive checked out a lot of new artist (well, new to me) because others have given em thumbs up. Viva La Difference!!! | |
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sambluedolphin said: WHAT BOUT BILLY CORGAN!!!!!???
BILLY CORGAN, MY ASS!!! So freakin' overrated!!! Most of his songs you can throw into the trash.....A riff here, a riff there.....his melodies are mediocre, both instrumentally and in vocals.....i'd pick kurt cobain before i ever picked old billy.....and he's nowhere near on the list either.....nuff said A peaceful wild, ya'll! T-O-DoubleD | |
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And besides.....no one's got style down more than Prince!!! That's cause for another topic discussion.
STYLE ~ YOU GOT IT! A pieceful wild, ya'll! The one and only T-O-DoubleD | |
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naaaa...right answere is MARILYN MANSON!!! | |
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RiccotheArtist said: I still say Ain't no Fuckin Body better, I'm not gonna keep on this topic, and I have been focused on this man all my life and many other artist, everybody has there own style I fill he does it better than anyone else I'm sorry, I guess that's why I'm obsessed, i hear these one hit wonders everyday that's what they say Prince is can U believe that!!!! I am a die hard in every since of the word, and I really do get pissed when U guys compare him to these one styled artist who do not branch out there music skills, one more timeThere Ain't No FUCKIN BODY BETTER!!!!!
ricco, now you really uptight! I can feel your heart beatin' and the heat from your blood pressure all the way to europe. hey man, we all love your man, thats why we are here. but true love should allow critizism, or its just some teenage bullshit. I think a site just coming all over prince and having multiple orgasms and spermatic highs would be boring as hell... "Peace and Benz -- The future, made in Germany" | |
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I agree that there are a lot of Prince fans (and hardcore fans of others in general) who are ignorant to other artist's contributions. But this has nothing to do with Ricco, because I think I understand his point. But some fans on the org will straight out tell you that "there is no need to listen to anyone else" when it comes to their obsession with Prince. And I say it's an obsession because if you only listen to one group or artist to the exclusion of others then your whole musical scope is extremely narrow - no matter how great that one group or artist is. Different artists bring a different viewpoint and style to the table - unless they're 100% clones of someone else. Like in that thread about Prince's voice, someone was quoted on TV as saying that "no other musician aside from Prince" can convey pain and anguish in their singing. That's just plain, straight up, fanatical bullshit no matter who said it. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: I agree that there are a lot of Prince fans (and hardcore fans of others in general) who are ignorant to other artist's contributions. But this has nothing to do with Ricco, because I think I understand his point. But some fans on the org will straight out tell you that "there is no need to listen to anyone else" when it comes to their obsession with Prince. And I say it's an obsession because if you only listen to one group or artist to the exclusion of others then your whole musical scope is extremely narrow - no matter how great that one group or artist is. Different artists bring a different viewpoint and style to the table - unless they're 100% clones of someone else. Like in that thread about Prince's voice, someone was quoted on TV as saying that "no other musician aside from Prince" can convey pain and anguish in their singing. That's just plain, straight up, fanatical bullshit no matter who said it.
Thanks, I'm calm now Soulpower LOL ,all I was trying to say is because of Prince I have gotten a much more greater respect for Music as a hole , Prince has played classical, jazz ,piano, guitar, laysied jams .Prince fans if any... should know music !!!! I do listen to alot of other artist's Michael Jackson,, I loved his new single to Barbara Striesand and the bee gee's,Debardge,Shaggy, Janet, Celine Dieon,Tracy Chapman,Marvin Gaye,Temptations,Maxwell,Marilyn(Dopeshow),Brain Macknight,Tina Turner, Tina Marie u don't know music if u don't like Tina come on....Rick james, Luther,Hootie and the blowfish, Too short my Nigga,Mistical,DMX, Snoop ,I'm well rounded I'd like to think because of me liking Prince, people call me crazy cus I like Cristopher Cross that's what I grew up on, all kinds of Music, but if I was stranded on a Desert Island with only one Artist to supply my Music>>>>>about the pain thing, I was a young boy when I heard someone older say he screems out his anger and pain I'd didn't know what that ment until I got older and started dealing with Woman LOL that's when I started felling him....Prince listen's to other people's Music and he plays what song of there's he likes that's what makes a GREAT ARTIST in my book..... | |
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PFunkjazz said: RiccotheArtist said: I just wanna know is this Prince.org or Go listen to somebody else's Music.comDamn
Read the goddamn heading on the motherfuckin' thread. DUH! It's gonna invite references to other people DUH! wotadafuckizdaproblem? LOL to funny.....Bring them onNot the Whole Ball of Wax Hun | |
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prettymansson said: ricco.
you are alright... i feel where you are comming from...just because you are passionate about an artist does not mean you are ignorant of everyone else's abilities. or not KNOWLEDGEABLE about whats up !!! i have produced songs for artist that get dissed and praised on this site all the time.its funny when people try to assuse that they hold the KEY to all that is whorthy and forward thinking. keep rockin. you work is great peace. ps we know aint nobody one on one gonna take out prince from country to funk !!! (for the literal...im saying as a producer, player, performer. smooth lookin pimp soul brother).!!!!! Thanks Man, good to know somebodys got ya' back know what I mean.....Peace | |
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NOW you are starting to make sense to me, ricco...lol
come on bro, gimme a hug, no bad feelings "Peace and Benz -- The future, made in Germany" | |
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RiccotheArtist said: if I was stranded on a Desert Island with only one Artist to supply my Music
_____ Ricco, I agree with this statement. On an island with a CD player or MP3 player, I will only need Dirty Mind and Controversy to survive for 50 years. These two albums helped me keep my sanity in high school. | |
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RiccotheArtist said: PFunkjazz said: RiccotheArtist said: I just wanna know is this Prince.org or Go listen to somebody else's Music.comDamn
Read the goddamn heading on the motherfuckin' thread. DUH! It's gonna invite references to other people DUH! wotadafuckizdaproblem? LOL to funny.....Bring them onNot the Whole Ball of Wax Hun it's allgood dawg. I know you weren't one of the ones who posted that it was always Prince all the time...but there are those folks around here. :lol test | |
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soulpower said: NOW you are starting to make sense to me, ricco...lol
come on bro, gimme a hug, no bad feelings U so Crazy.....LOL | |
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Read the goddamn heading on the motherfuckin' thread. DUH! It's gonna invite references to other people DUH! wotadafuckizdaproblem?[/quote]
Actually.....This thread was intended as "Who can do all the things that Prince does so well?",- "Who can do everything he does.....Not who's better on the Guitar, or Who's a better songwriter..or pianist..etc....But Who else do you know of that can do Eveything that Prince does.....My answer is No-one.....But as I can see from the lists so far, It takes just that, A LIST of people to top just One Prince. bgladthaturfree bgladthaturfree
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jaikman said: Read the goddamn heading on the motherfuckin' thread. DUH! It's gonna invite references to other people DUH! wotadafuckizdaproblem?
Actually.....This thread was intended as "Who can do all the things that Prince does so well?",- "Who can do everything he does.....Not who's better on the Guitar, or Who's a better songwriter..or pianist..etc....But Who else do you know of that can do Eveything that Prince does.....My answer is No-one.....But as I can see from the lists so far, It takes just that, A LIST of people to top just One Prince. bgladthaturfree[/quote] Shut up jaik. You're one of those people I was talking about! test | |
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Excuse me every one.While i think were all getting caught up in aestices( who can play this better and that better) were forgetting one thing. Its all about the music and the sheer variety that it holds. I love stevie and the beatles annd zappas avant garde meanderings but cohesive style from the age of lets say 21 to 32 Nothing and i mean nothing and nobody compares to PRINCE. Sure he went of the rails in the 90s,save say TGE as u people like to call it. Or how about TRC. Watcha think of that!!!His last record ranks up their with his great ones,of that their is no doubt.I remember a curious tale involving myself, my sister( Who was a year older than myself) and my old man, a Sinatra loving Rascal(he liked a beer!) watching Sign o the times , the single greatest rock performance by anyone in the history of the music biz in my opinion. Transfixed as i was by the brilliance of young P, all the old man could say was at regular intervals,"hang on, theirs no way hes playing that guitar" or my personal favorite "whats he prancing around for doing the splits and catching his microphone. That guy needs a stiff whisky." But even My Da in the end had to concede that hed never seen anything like im before.Hes in his 70s now and he still asks me how P is getting on these days.(Usually its Record company problems or that weird hieroglyph hes adopted, is all he knows about.But i reckon hes one of the few 70 year olds these days who shouthed to me quite recently while i was making some toast " Noel, for chrissakes its When Doves Cry" | |
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Hmmm, well for a start his twin brother who he has locked away all these years. Gosh people where do you think he is really getting all these ideas from... He is always talking about he has two sides, I bet you never knew he was speaking literally. ( just kidding, could not resist) | |
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