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Printablelovebird said: who is more talented than Prince? God.
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(Soulpower) 2 write a good & interesting column as U did & 2 end it by saying Prince is a "OK" singer? Takes away any points 4 common sense I could give U. U could not have been more wrong about a single detail. But if thats what holds true in your mind i'll respect that. Peace~ | |
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SkletonKee said:[quote]....i think there are a bunch of people who are equally as talented if not more talented than prince...
Michael Jackson (hate all you want..but without Michael, there would be no Prince..respect!!) That's a bold statement my friend. Not that MJ isn't a phenom in his own right, but to say Prince doesn't come out without him is serious stuff. Don't get me wrong this could be an opinion thing but I feel if MJ isn't around we'd be talking about Prince being the first crossover "black" artist on MTV. They took such different paths musically and commercially I feel MJ had absolutely no effect on Prince's presence. However there is one person you could possibly say this about and is Mr. Stevie Wonder. Much Love Tho | |
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Without MJ there would B no Prince...respect that? Hate 2 say but your super wrong~ Your in the dark if thats not a joke. Prince like alot of artist can stand on there own created foundation without MJ...And that says what~ MJ is who he is & brings 2 the table what he has & does. 2 say without MJ, U make it sound as if Prince would B just another wedding singer today..lol? Makes me wonder how U can B taken serious.....Oh....such Controversy~ | |
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Re: MJ...
I highly doubt that Prince would have been the artist to breakout on MTV. He was just too..how to say this...extreme. Michael played the politics wonderfully...and his music was "safe" for public consumption.he got MTV to play him by creating videos as events...and opened up the doors for all black performers. Prince's videos have always been subpar...MTV would have looked at the rawness (and i mean that in a good way) of his music during that time and the non-thrilling vidoes...and kept the segregation going. So thats why I say without MJ, there would be no Prince...Sure, he would have been a success..but who knows at what level. he could have been touring alongside Teena Marie and while we would have all discovered and loved him..his music could have taken us on a completly different journey... | |
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sosexy..
consider me someone who can appreciate pop culture and its history..regardless of what artist i like or not (for the record, im not even an mj fan).... but i can't take anyone serious who cant respect that rather we like it or not...Michael Jackson opened up many oppurtunities for black people...and to think, that Prince had the political power and the vision to breakthrough in a medium where he obviously has proven a lack of talent (ie making videos)...well, i cant take that serious... | |
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SkletonKee said: Re: MJ...
I highly doubt that Prince would have been the artist to breakout on MTV. He was just too..how to say this...extreme. Michael played the politics wonderfully...and his music was "safe" for public consumption.he got MTV to play him by creating videos as events...and opened up the doors for all black performers. Prince's videos have always been subpar...MTV would have looked at the rawness (and i mean that in a good way) of his music during that time and the non-thrilling vidoes...and kept the segregation going. So thats why I say without MJ, there would be no Prince...Sure, he would have been a success..but who knows at what level. he could have been touring alongside Teena Marie and while we would have all discovered and loved him..his music could have taken us on a completly different journey... Are you aware that Little Red Corvette was very close to being that video. Sure it may not have been the Mini movies Michael ended up with, but then again Prince was never totally about the video as much as he was with creating and challenging musically( which he still does) LRC was not riding on MJ's coattales, it was undeniable. MTV would not have shunned that. | |
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Much Love to Stevie Wonder!!! He was the first to play all the instruments. Well maybe as far as a black artist is concerned. Prince gives much love to
Stevie!!!! MJ's face is made of Rubber so it won't break. The elephant man and his bones lives. COCOMF !! | |
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Thank u all for the Zappa mention here!!! There r so many similarities bewteen the two.
Been digging Zappa for yrs too.....I cant think of neone else that compares the way these 2 do. | |
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lovebird said:
----- who is more talented than Prince? God. ----- I was going to say that!  Me too! | |
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loolam said:[quote] SkletonKee said: Re: MJ...
LRC was not riding on MJ's coattales, it was undeniable. MTV would not have shunned that. I agree with you there..he might have been the one to break the barrier.....but he didnt, mj did... i know a lot of people here for some reason take it personal (and get really upset for stranger reasons) when someone else admits to appeciating MJ....so i wont argue the point any further... as far as im concerned..they both equally did a lot for black entertainment. [This message was edited Tue Mar 19 15:34:41 PST 2002 by SkletonKee] | |
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SkletonKee said:[quote] loolam said: SkletonKee said: Re: MJ...
LRC was not riding on MJ's coattales, it was undeniable. MTV would not have shunned that. I agree with you there..he might have been the one to break the barrier.....but he didnt, mj did... i know a lot of people here for some reason take it personal (and get really upset for stranger reasons) when someone else admits to appeciating MJ....so i wont argue the point any further... as far as im concerned..they both equally did a lot for black entertainment. [This message was edited Tue Mar 19 15:34:41 PST 2002 by SkletonKee] I would never intend to strip anyone of their views, if I came off that way, I'm sorry. As I said in my first post on this, this lends itself more towards opinion than right or wrong. MJ definitely opened doors in the music industry, and he changed the scope of it. I guess I always saw them as contemporaries on two different courses, both opening doors for other artists. Nothin but the best 4ya | |
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I think people don't really know Prince when they say he is heavly influenced by, Jimmy Hendrix and others. If u c Princes work, they are no similarities when u listen to it. Prince plays more melodic, while Jimmy plays intensely. The biggest influence on Prince must be, James Brown; since the day he was a child and went to one of James concerts. It had a profound impact on him. He also admited in an interview he liked the way James played and his artistic control. Just listen to Kiss, the funky guitar line, or Gett Off, the background back up singers, very similar to James Sex Machine. But to c Princes work as a whole, he has created it himself, and only he is unique, and made his phenomenal success.
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Also, in my view Prince is most talented, but i think Billy Corgan is someone who is like Prince, well closest to him. He writes very diverse music, which has revolutionised rock. Also he can play. But whats he doin now?
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Barbara Streisand?
WTF? What about Barry Manilow? "We've never been able to pull off a funk number"
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COCOMF said: Much Love to Stevie Wonder!!! He was the first to play all the instruments. Well maybe as far as a black artist is concerned. Prince gives much love to
Stevie!!!! MJ's face is made of Rubber so it won't break. The elephant man and his bones lives. Again we went over this before on another thread. Stevie plays Keyboards/piano, drums and harmonica. He has never played guitar nor bass and does not play any horns (neither does Prince for that matter). He pioneered the arp and moog syntehsizers to allow him to replicate these instruments. There are plenty of others who do this keyboard/bass/guitar/drums thing. In R&B, there's BOOTSY, LARRY GRAHAM, JUNIE MORRISON, ROGER TROUTMAN. You'll find among profesonal musicans there's a high tendency among musicians in all fields to learn keys and guitars, because these are your primary instruments for composing. Most university curriculums require a student to take piano in additon to his main instrument. Don't be so taken in by what's credited on liner notes. It ain't always the whole story. I can't prove it, but I am sure a young Prince must have idolized Michael Jackson. You couldn't even grow up HALF_BLACK and not vibe off the J5. Those album cuts on their albums had some deep-ass covers of SLY and FUNKADELIC. Folks betta recognize: MJ is an innovator test | |
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wasitgood4u said: Barbara Streisand?
WTF? Yeah..i said Babs..she writes her own music..won an Oscar for writting Evergreen..she is a great singer and actress..she might not be an instrumentalist..but she more then makes up for that in her direction of movies.. dont knock it just cause u dont like it.... | |
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sambluedolphin said: I think people don't really know Prince when they say he is heavly influenced by, Jimmy Hendrix and others.
Sam I really don't see any Jimi in PRince..except their love of the color purple and women and music. Prince's approach to guitar is not very blues-based. Jimi's is blues-drenched. To my ears Prince really sounds like a second-hand mix Carlos Santana/Ernie Isley. test | |
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Hmm. I think these days musicians like Radiohead and Faithless and DJ's like Peter Rauhofer and Danny Tenaglia are taking music to new levels these days. Moreso than any of Prince's albums post Diamonds And Pearls (which itself wasnt revolutionary, but was one hell of a slick comeback for Prince).
TRC is going the way of Chaos & Disorder and NewPowerSoul, Prince albums I no longer talk about or listen to anymore. I'm not slamming those who dig it, its just not my thing. Tom's list of albums I would reccomend to people these days if anyone were to ask me: Mazzy Star - Among My Swan Hope Sandoval & The Warm Inventions Faithless - Sunday 8PM Faithless - Outrospective Radiohead - Kid A (and OK Computer & The Bends by some freak chance you havent heard them yet) Peter Rauhofer - Essential Mix Club 69 Club 69 - Future Mix Vol 1 Club 69 - Future Mix Vol 2 Twist This Pussy Vol 2 Victor Calderone - E=VC2 Junior Vasquez - Twilo Danny Tenaglia - Athens Danny Tenaglia - Essential Mix Pete Tong - Essential Mix Terrence Trent D'Arby - Vibrator Terrence Trent D'Arby - Wildcard Res - How Do I or any Brand New Heavies album (yeah i know a little older but damn good) | |
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that's is an EXCELLENT "?" 2 ask... how many Artist can Write, Produce & r MultiInstrementalist such as Prince? Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis r xcellent Music Producers & Wendy & Lisa r "almost" & i use that LOOSELY prolific of writers a P. i hear they write almost as much as P but we don't hear many songs or albums out, do we.
how many Artist have made as produced as many albums or songs as P from the time he wrote his 1st song & recorded it as well? run it down PeePs Peace ... & Stay Funky ...
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I can't say that anyone is more talented than Prince, especially considering his body of work so far, and his amazing ability on multiple instruments.
However, as far as musical talent goes, Charlie Hunter is another person who I have a great respect for. He is a jazz/funk artist who plays a custom 8 string guitar, 3 bass strings and 5 guitar strings. He plays jazz and funk basslines better with just two fingers than most players I've heard, while simultaneously playing leads and comps with this other three fingers. To hear his work is one thing, but to see him perform live is amazing. One of his bands, TJ Kirk does an outstanding cover of Rock Hard in a Funky Place. |
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Thats pretty funny....not knowing what level he would B on...that he might B touring along side of Teena Marie.(chuckles) As far as the MTV thing...I was around when it first kicked off as well. Prince was right after MJ in terms of there very first music breakthrough videos airing on MTV crossing the color lines. So my feeling is that had MJ never put Thriller out at that time, the power & popularity that 1999 was building 2 some serious steam. Thus they would have still made the move 2 air Prince's video. MJ would of had nothing 2 do with what was already 4th comming. Prince had a huge white following anyways, & U got 2 know MTV wasn't going 2 turn the otherway.
Everything else is a matter of taste really...Prince I'm sure wasn't into the thought of dropping millions 2 make mini-zombie monster movies. There really night & day....I do give MJ props & he is who he is. I might not have him in my CD player, but thats me. Prince with Purple Rain, made his mark. It was as huge & as important as any MJ video event. And he even got something called a Oscar 4 it....did MJ get one 4 any of his video master dream works? | |
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(Skletonkee) Its all good.. U koo, I don't really know if U meant the getting upset or taking something personal 2 me, cause I'm not...I feel very chilled, & at peace. But somethings should b said, & when your wrong U are indeed wrong. But its still koo~ I have no beef with MJ other then he wanted 2 B Prince's skin tone and went a bit over-board. So then is it safe 2 say: (If Prince wasn't so light in skin color MJ wouldn't look so faded?) Controversy....AKA straight yucky maddness~ | |
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"Michael Jackson (hate all you want..but without Michael, there would be no Prince..respect!!) "
- Well, I thought the question was about MUSICIANS, not entertainers, actors, football players, journalists, etc Michael has talent to sing and is a very good dancer, but there is no valid comparison between P and Michael. Michael is an entertainer, Prince is a musician. But of course I´d rather believe you are joking..^ |
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i want to know when singers stopped being considered musicians?
everyone says that michael is an entertainer...if he didnt have his voice would we still like him as much?last i checked a voice was still an instrument used to produce musical notes! It's better to have and not need, than to need and not have! | |
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SoSexy, thanks for complimenting me on my essay. but I think I've made a point when I said Prince is an "OK-singer". the reason is his lack of tone. he's technically almost perfect, his falsetto is beautiful. but his normal voice, though he has it very well under control, sounds nasal and not that beautiful compared to a stevie wonder or donny hathaway. thats why I would rate him "OK".
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As already stated, this is a tough question.
I came up with a short list of amazing musicians who I consider to be as talented or more talented than Prince. Miles Davis Charlie Parker Frank Zappa Pat Metheny Jimi Hendrix Adrian Belew Neil Peart Robert Fripp Stevie Wonder Sly Stone Quincy Jones Bach Beethoven Mozart Sravinsky | |
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PFunkjazz said: There are plenty of others who do this keyboard/bass/guitar/drums thing. In R&B, there's BOOTSY, LARRY GRAHAM, JUNIE MORRISON, ROGER TROUTMAN.
Junie Morrison! That dude made one of my all-time slammin'est albums, "Evacuate Your Seats". If you can track this album down, buy it! "Driving In A Porsche" alone is worth the price of admission... | |
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jaikman said: Batdance is absolutely correct....
Prince is a sponge....And what's so wrong about being a sponge?....How else do do learn? James Brown, Larry Graham, Stevie, Santana, Jimi, and any others Prince learned from had to "sponge"from somebody too. They weren't born with guitars in thier hands, or thier talent ready for the world....They too had to be inspired to be the "greats" they ultimately became..... Everybody's replies are great and the artists they have mentioned are brilliant in thier own right.....but, can any of them do everything Prince does....some can do a little better in maybe one area but, take that same individual and place him or her in another....would they even know what to do?.....It's not a bad thing to be a "sponge" It takes phenominal talent to be able to play just 1 instrument well.....Prince played 22 at age 19! Prince is keeping his pedecessors' talents alive through him.....If it wasn't for Prince, where else are you going to hear a new 'James Brown' inspired song?.not from James... That's just one example, I'm sure y'all have plenty others you can add to the list....and I'd love to read about them. as for Michael Jackson, I think his ass would rip if he 2 smile and HarleyQuinn why are you so mean to Kelly? bgladthaturfree [This message was edited Tue Mar 19 10:23:30 PST 2002 by jaikman] I've explained it on another thread jaikman. Don't worry, I would NEVER be mean to YOU though, puddin'! | |
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Prince is unquestionably one of the most talented people on the planet hands down. And certainly the funkiest. There are others every bit as talented as Prince but most of them are dead. And those that aren't you have probably never heard of anyway.
Miles, Trane, Jimi, Jaco, Bob Marley, Curtis Mayfield, Kevin Gilbert, Jeff Buckley, Frank Zappa, Chris Whitley, Bill Hicks, Todd Rundgren, Thelonius Monk.....shall i continue? And....ME!!!! | |
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