I have never understood how Madonna was so big in 80s late 90 s her work is ok i like some of her early work as i love 80s stuff but she has not had as many albums as Prince: u look at all the albums Prince has released all produced by him he never does covers on his albums he is a musical genius a musician ok : Madonna cant sing well uses every hip producer she can find then she is a legend no she is not ok thanks .

It's all in the marketing.

just what is the point????? stupid, dumb ass thread. They're both great, and both good at different things, cant we leave it at that?

M Y Point is Madonna is not as talented as Prince simple look at her now shes rubbish she has run out of producers to do her albums 4 her ; she cant get her tits out anymore shes too old ok PRINCE is the genius Madonna is a kabbalah obsessed person name her songs that are as good as Prince songs bet u cant she was over hyped people can have opinions u know

No comparison.

Madonna and a lot of other artist are more popular than Prince, but what can you do. I have come to realize that Prince is just a tough pill to swallow. It's almost like there is no in between with him. People either love him or hate him. He will never get the respect that he deserves and I think of lot of that has to do with his antics and eccentric behavior. I wish people could look past that and just see him for the musical genius he is.

I love both of them. And Madonna HAS many beautiful songs.

Prince is the same age as Madonna.....
And Prince is as obsessed with his religion, he even had to change the lyrics to his songs in concert.....
Madonna still gives a good F-word even though it's not very Kabbalah

And even if she is "old" (46 is middle aged) she's still an amazing performer and has a beautiful voice in my opinion.

And as for songs as good as Prince's well....

IMO Frozen, Like a Prayer, Express Yourself, Bad Girl, Vogue, Open Your Heart, Papa Don't Preach..... just to name a FEW are as good as many Prince songs.

Despite what ignorant people think she worked hard to get where she is today and deserves all the fame she has. She is extremely talented in what she does and never disappoints her fans.

I really think it's wrong to compare 2 legends in their own league as they are both completely different in what they do.

jayaredee said:[quote]

Prince is the same age as Madonna.....
And Prince is as obsessed with his religion, he even had to change the lyrics to his songs in concert.....
Madonna still gives a good F-word even though it's not very Kabbalah

And even if she is "old" (46 is middle aged) she's still an amazing performer and has a beautiful voice in my opinion.

And as for songs as good as Prince's well....

IMO Frozen, Like a Prayer, Express Yourself, Bad Girl, Vogue, Open Your Heart, Papa Don't Preach..... just to name a FEW are as good as many Prince songs
Madonna entertainer legend no dont think so sorry PRINCE LEGEND XXXX

Madonna is so amazing such a legend her tickets are not selling well her american life cd bombed ok shes a legend yeah right my hero Prince the only legend

All Madonna's shows sold out, learn your facts before you speak trash

And her cd still sold well, just compared to her previous albums it didn't do well

YOU FAIL

jayaredee said:

Actually it didn't sell out. She only sold out 7 of the 21 shows that were listed on the mid-year summer stats. I don't remember what the actually website was (I think it was allmusic.com), but it was posted on this board just a month ago and Prince came in as the number one highest grossing tour of the summer at the June point. Madonna came in as the second highest grossing tour of the summer, which isn't surprising considering that her tickets are 10 times more than Prince's. Celine Dion came in as the third highest grossing tour of the summer for her Vegas shows and she only sold out 2 or 3 shows out of 20, but her tickets are more than $100 a piece. It's not hard to be a high grossing tour when you're charging such high ass prices. "American Life" did do well. I read somewhere that it had sold over 5 million copies. Sure, it's not as many as her previous albums, but it's not that bad considering the day and age that music is in. I love Madonna, but I could never compare her to Prince or Micheal. They all sound completely different and their all good in their own different ways. There are some similaritiers, ie. their ages, categories of music they were placed in, and their weird behaviors, but none of them are anything alike.



Okay? I never considered sleeping with almost all your producers and half the DJs in New York to get your album out there to be hard work, but hey, "hard work" is defined differently by everyone. I've met too many people who have met her before she was famous. My boyfriend met and danced with her before her first album came out. Back when she was nobody special. Just a club head like him. His friends had also met and talked to her at the same time. They've all said that she did some under-the-table shit to get to where she is today. Just like her idol Marilyn Monroe slept with all those people to get to where she was. If that's hard work and deserving of all that fame and attention, than why is everyone hating on Heidi Fleiss??? A girl's got to do what a girl's go to do, right?!?!
[This message was edited Sat Aug 7 11:11:26 2004 by estelle1981]

I cant help but laugh at that tired old line of "she slept her way to the top". So fucking what if she shagged a few people on the way up. What does it matter? At the end of the day 20 years after all that shgging round she is still selling out arenas and still selling records. People enjoy her music and get pleasure from watching her perform, there must be at least something genuine under the surface. If it were as simple as sleeping round, every prostitute in every town would be a millionaire.

MTV is all I gotsta say!

mrmarcus said:

I'd still love her songs without watching the videos.

but yeah she may not be that succesful without videos. but it doesnt matter, purple rain wouldnt sell that much if it wasnt for the movie

Yeah, so MTV isn't neccessarily a bad thing as Prince makes it out to be. Madonna showcased her dancing talents on many of those videos.

Whether Prince likes to admit it or not there was a period of time where he, madonna and mj competed to be the biggest MTV whore.

And back on the ticket sales, if Madonna charges like 3 times the amount for a ticket then Prince she would still easily be making more than Prince, not like sales mean shit as much as what everyone makes it out to be.

American Life was her worst selling album, yet it's gotta be one of my favorites by her. The sales and critics mean nothing.

CrozzaUK said:

Hmmm, touchy. I don't care who or what she "shagged", but I hate when people make it sound like she never did this shit to get to the top. Just face the facts that she screwed the right people. I'm not saying that she isn't talented, but she did what she did and I'm not going to lick her ass and say that she worked super hard to get her foot in the door. She's always come off as a very persuasive person to me, so the sex was just a way to get the attention from the people before she persuaded their asses to play her demo. This is like an argument I had with a die-hard Mariah Carey fan. They were bragging about how Mariah had released an album every year for 10 years. I just looked at them and said, "That's not hard to do when you're married to the head honcho at Columbia and you get half of everything in the divorce. She can afford to release an album and 89 remixes every year until she dies." Man, did that person get pissed at me. She called me a hater. Well, if speaking some truth makes me a hater, well, then fuck it; I'm a hater. I love Mariah, but I lie for no one. Like I said, there's nothing wrong with doing what you feel you have to do to get to the top, but I'm not going to say that she worked harder than some other female artists who actually did it without the "favors". I still commend Heidi Fleiss for her endeavors. She was better than any male pimp out there.

Also, I'm a Aaliyah fan, but I'm not ashamed to admit that she had a hard time getting a record deal before her uncle formed Blackground Records. She was one of the first acts they signed. Do I believe that Aaliyah was talented? Yes, I do. Do I believe that she worked super hard to get her foot into the door? Hell No! So, because I feel this way and am not afraid to say it to other Aaliyah fans, they say that I'm not a true fan. Sweetheart, uhlike some people, I actually bought all of her albums before she died.
[This message was edited Sat Aug 7 18:39:39 2004 by estelle1981]

shouldn't this be in the "already overflowing w/ Madonna threads" forum?

This shit is getting tired.....Janet Jackson and Madonna are comparable with Janet kickin her ass. Prince is soooo way more the complete artist and ultimate showperson period!

I hope that ur joking when u say that madonna showed off her dancind skills. She can't dance a lick. If ur talking about that chero... stuff then I say this , who couldn't master a dance step when u practice it 4 8 hours a day 4 2 weeks. I have nothing against Modonna or any other entertainer 4 that matter, but when u try try 2 compare Modonna against Prince musically how can I take u seriously. If u like Modonna's show then good 4 u, but u know as well as I do that she can't play a lisk. Put her on stage with P 4 5 minutes and u will see exactly how unimportantlt she is musically.

Bull said:

I'm gonna do something very unnatural for me & stick up for the old cunt...

Dude, she was, like, a dancer before all that so called "singing" stuff started Not saying she's a great dancer, but damn, let her have that




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[This message was edited Sat Aug 7 19:13:27 2004 by CalhounSq]

ELBOOGY said:

"getting"

Madonna's good, Prince is better. Thought we all knew this!

jayaredee said:

Face it: if David Bowie was a girl, he'll be Madonna.

They both had 3 electonic album releases in a row from their best to their worst.

For Madonna, Ray Of Light & Music was her better two and American Life was her worst.

Bull said:

Look at this. This is why i don't obsess over every artist. Most of you people are close minded no doubt.
Prince is more talented than Madonna musically no doubt and i never denied that. However to put Madonna down and saying she get to the top sucking cock is ignorant. There are many whores out in New York and i don't see them lasting 20 years in an almost impossible industry to stay hip.
And to the person who denied her of dancing is completely dazed out. Madonna was offered a scholarship to a university for dancing before she was famous. Please don't talk unless you have a clue ok?
Madonna is a very smart business women. She knew the trends that would occur before they occured and that's how she got to the top. On top of that she managed 20 years in the music business and never disappeared. And she obviously had singing talent, she was in Evita and if you simply listen to the soundtrack you cannot deny her talents. And the fact she gets her tickets sold at almost 300 dollars a shot and knows she can get away with it is amazing. That's for all you who call her washed up.
I paid about 103 dollars for my ticket and it was worth every last penny because she put her heart into her performances. Her singing range and voice is magnificent IMO and she has become much more gifted over the years.

The fact is, you have to be open minded. I would give even Britney credit cause i know she can dance to say the least.
My friend is totally obsessed with Michael Jackson. So obsessed she doesn't recognize any artist as gifted as MJ. She refuses to listen to anything but MJ. When we try to discuss another artist, she always compares them to MJ and how they're not worthy. Im getting the same vibe from this board, however i do realize most of you are die hard prince fans so what do you expect.
Prince isn't the only talent on the face of the earth, im sorry to break this to you. Please be open minded people and don't call Madonna a fake whore unless you truly know how she achieved her 20 years of endless fame. Thank you

jayaredee said:

im with u

jayaredee said:

I was with you till that last one. Her CD bombed, even if you don't compare it to her other CDs. A strong debut then a big plummet. Maybe she'll get on track with her next album.

The big difference between Prince and Madonna (I've always felt) is this - Prince has a genuine talent for performing and writing music. We know this. Madonna is good at recognizing talent. That's why her own label, initially anyway, did so well, and why she's been able to stay in the biz for so long. She finds talented people to enhance her very limited musical abilities.

Prince's passion for music and perfectionism sometimes gets the best of him and leads to more than his share of career ups and downs. Until recently, Madonna had no big troubles with Warner so she's not had to worry about getting marketing from a big label. In the end though, there's no comparison - Prince will always have more talent in his guitar-strummin' pinky finger than Madonna will. Love 'em both, but there's no debating who's got the talent.

ELBOOGY said:

I almost read that without laughing.

Sorry, i don't mean to seem cruel, but her cd sold 5 million worldwide making it platinum and no matter how you look at it, it's not a failure so you're wrong there.

Also this topic is not specific. It opens gates to so many different arguments. It says Madonna verse prince, without saying whether to judge whose music is better or whose more successful etc.
Prince has the greater musical talent but that doesn't deny the fact Madonna writes and helps produces most of her material. So don't go making it seem like Madonna has no musical talent, cause she does and denying that would be ignorance.
Being a good musician doesn't neccessarily mean playing an instrument like Prince tries to making it be.
I never denied Prince as a great musician and i wish you people would read that before saying the same crap over. And yes i'll say it again, he is far more advanced with musical knowledge than Madonna will ever be. And Madonna is actually really good on guitar now if people cared to pay attention or attend one of her shows, and it is worth the price IMO.
When you say Prince is more talented than Madonna you have to state where. Musically YES. Performing, not neccessarily.
And if you want to debate selling, not like it matters but Madonna sold double of what Prince has sold album-wise and to top it off, she's released far less albums than Prince.

Again this being a "Prince" board everyone's opinion is gonna being one sided (except LightOfArt ) . If i went to a Madonna board everyone would say she is more talented. If i went to a Michael Jackson board, they would say he's more talented.
Do i think it's best people didn't post these comparison topics because we know who everyone would vote for, i don't because i have a variety of tastes and don't worship Prince but whatever.