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Reply #60 posted 08/08/04 10:48pm

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Reply #61 posted 08/08/04 11:40pm

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mrdespues said:

This is ABSOLUTE bullshit. It doesn't even deserve a response it's so stupid. I'm a guitarist of 15 years experience and I can tell you that Prince plays every lick, one only needs to watch his hands.....fucking STUPID DICKHEADS who say he can't play!

Why are there so many morons out there?!!!!!


Dude, You don't know what you're talking about. Prince Fakes it all, I'm on my way to LA to be a very famous rockstar, i've been playing guitar for 15 years, I am much better than prince, and i'm telling you, he fakes every note. Bow to Me and my Eyebrows and the greatness of MrDespews
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Reply #62 posted 08/08/04 11:44pm

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MrDespews said:

Bow to Me and my Eyebrows and the greatness of MrDespews

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This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #63 posted 08/09/04 12:56am

Heidi

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JasmineFire said:

Byron said:

I hear he's going bald, too... confused

and isn't he part fillipino?



no no .. he's half italian
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Reply #64 posted 08/09/04 1:48am

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dhawk said:

Anyone who truly believes that Prince fakes his guitar work on stage needs to read the recent cover story of him in Guitar Player Magazine. .


if a person seriously thinks Prince is faking his guitar live then i'm pretty sure they wont be able to read either
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Reply #65 posted 08/09/04 2:25am

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MaquisVixen said:

Yes. And you know what? That isn't his real voice either. it's Jamie Starrs!
lol


lol Well... i guess all us lovers of real music just have 2 burn all of r Prince cds now, don't we? wink hehe 2 funny... smile

I swearz it... some people just have a talent 2 make no sense... that dude's musta been given 2 him by God himself lol confused :p I betcha he actually doesn't know what a guitar is, he probably just saw a Prince lookalike tappin a tambourine off beat or something & is calling it big news hehe wink
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Reply #66 posted 08/09/04 2:43am

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What would be the point in faking, like if you watch him he is putting his fingers on the right notes and picking the right strings.Would it just not make sense to play it rather than fake it. If he can mime that well he deserves a medal just for that.
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Reply #67 posted 08/09/04 3:21am

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PaisleyPark said:

VINCENT said:

[color=indigo:9814e02445]Someone who can do what he does in the studio, on stage and who released a sound that had changed the approach
of music by creting this amazing electrofunk deserves to be called a genius.[/color]



Electrofunk? Man please Prince just made a few nice pop/funk songs
in the 8ties but he is not a genius. Maybe he is a workaholic but that
does not make him a genius. Get over your fixation, please.

Not many musicians are geniuses and Prince isn't one of them!


He has been recognized as a musical genius all over the world!!!
If U really think he only made a few nice songs why call
yourself PaisleyPark???
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Reply #68 posted 08/09/04 5:36am

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does he go to berkley,g.i.t.,or any other music teaching school..no.
Might that have something to do with the fact that once he was old enough to attend such a school, he already had a recording contract with a major record company? smile

does he put out video and cd/cassete teaching aids
Might that have something to do with the fact that he earns a truckload of money with his music and doesn't have to embarrass himself and us by going "Here's another uhm cool uhm thing which you can uhm use over a uhm dominant type uhm situation which is uhm cool"? I mean: have you ever seen those video's?
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Reply #69 posted 08/09/04 5:44am

TheDreamingPea
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I can't believe this one. And I can be naive (at times). What angry pop musician started this post?
The Dreaming Peasant
"Penny, penny bring me luck...."

I'm just a child;
I'm so darn shy;
a knock at the door,
and I run to hide.
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Reply #70 posted 08/09/04 6:23am

apple2

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apple2 said:


BULLSHIT GET A GRIP PRINCE PLAYS HIS FUCKING GUITAR LIVE GET A LIFE mad



My sweet, if you're gonna quote me please make it representative of what I actually said instead of leaving out my response, which was: lol That guy is a fucking riot! falloff


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Reply #71 posted 08/09/04 6:35am

howcomeudontca
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LittlePill said:

howcomeudontcallme said:


2) He was 'hammering on/pulling off' the notes with his left hand. For the non-guitar player, these terms are methods of playing notes one handed. This would seem plausible if princes left hand was seen to be moving during the clip but it is not.


He mimed sad



Well now wait a minute. If the action is low enough it wouldn't take much effort at all to play hammer ons and pull offs which might explain the apparent lack of obvious movement. Possible?



Yes, quite possible. but for his fingers not to be moving aroung the neck at all? Very, very unlikely.
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Reply #72 posted 08/09/04 6:43am

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On the other hand...

howcomeudontcallme said:

I do not think that this is true at all. HOWEVER, on stage Prince has mimed his guitar to a pre-recorded DAT on the odd occasion. For example, on the livesexy video, During the redition of 'lets go crazy'. At one point, Prince is at centre stage and he is squated down to the floor with his right hand supporting the weight of his body behind him on the floor. A rapid fire guitar line kicks in, Prince is not playing his guitar though! Realising that he has missed his cue (u can tell by his reaction), he quickly resumes to mimimg the line, albeit too late.


hmm[/quote]


Check it out people, thats all i can recommend you do. I'know Prince plays live and i know he is a great musician BUT that time he mimed his guitar line in certain instances. Just check it out.
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Reply #73 posted 08/09/04 7:08am

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Prince Fakes His Guitar Playing

I think Carlos Santana would disagree with that.
Socks still got butt like a leather seat...
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Reply #74 posted 08/09/04 7:48am

PRNelson

CynthiasSocks said:

Prince Fakes His Guitar Playing

I think Carlos Santana would disagree with that.



While i dismiss the initial comments made by 'Byron' that Prince cannot play guitar, i do believe the comments made by 'Howcome' to be true having spent the time to check the evidence he has offered everybody to check for themselves. While he stresses that prince is in fact a great musician, he also suggests that prince has, on the ODD OCCASION, mimed particular parts of his guitar playing.

He has provided Solid evidence to his claim (video tape) whilst at the same time offered possibilities as to alternate explanations to the 'miming theory', and further evidence showing the weaknesses of these potenial explanations

Unlike most, i checked the evidence and saw with my own eyes that prince did in fact mime the particular part mention by 'Howcomeudontcallme'. I recommend that Doubters do the same instead of the constant and often unsupported claims that 'Prince has never mimed...he's above that etc etc...'


Check the evidence provided then make up your own mind

Be warned though: Just like with your woman, it will make you sad when u find he's faking it
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Reply #75 posted 08/09/04 8:26am

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I dont think this threads about if he has faked playing on occasions which sounds reasonable enough, in his shows when he was singing dancing etc etc there will have been back up for him ,but that dosent really mean shit,coz he can play,its like many people who go on TOTP they mime and shit but it dont mean they can play or sing or whatever. Like from time to time Prince will be playing along with the other guitarist in his group and sometimes shit happens like a string snaps or the equipment dont work or whatever and does the show just stop,no it dosent the other guitarist fills in.
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Reply #76 posted 08/09/04 8:29am

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Just another example that crack kills....people leave those drugs ALONE neutral
"Vous ete tres belle mama, girls and boys"

"Record sales and things like that, it really doesn't matter...Money is one thing, but soul is another" -Prince
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Reply #77 posted 08/09/04 8:59am

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PRNelson said:

CynthiasSocks said:

Prince Fakes His Guitar Playing

I think Carlos Santana would disagree with that.



While i dismiss the initial comments made by 'Byron' that Prince cannot play guitar, i do believe the comments made by 'Howcome' to be true having spent the time to check the evidence he has offered everybody to check for themselves. While he stresses that prince is in fact a great musician, he also suggests that prince has, on the ODD OCCASION, mimed particular parts of his guitar playing.

He has provided Solid evidence to his claim (video tape) whilst at the same time offered possibilities as to alternate explanations to the 'miming theory', and further evidence showing the weaknesses of these potenial explanations

Unlike most, i checked the evidence and saw with my own eyes that prince did in fact mime the particular part mention by 'Howcomeudontcallme'. I recommend that Doubters do the same instead of the constant and often unsupported claims that 'Prince has never mimed...he's above that etc etc...'
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I don't think anyone on this board believes that Prince never mines. Sometimes you have to for T.V and he does sing and dance and uses a back-up guitarist. I think the poster from the messge board is just flat out saying Prince mines because he can't flat out play.

It seems to be a lot of hating on P's ability as a musician amoung musicians on these boards.

I am sure that when Prince critical of miming he is refering to artist who mime 24-7 and some of them don't do any dancing.

Check the evidence provided then make up your own mind

Be warned though: Just like with your woman, it will make you sad when u find he's faking it
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Reply #78 posted 08/09/04 9:01am

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I don't think anyone could fake it for 25+ years.

Maybe this thread is fake...
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Reply #79 posted 08/09/04 9:03am

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I wouldnt even know how 2 respond 2 an accusation like this...I mean, after seeing him upclose and personal jam away on the guitar...disbelief I dont know how to even BEGIN to disagree with that accusation.
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Reply #80 posted 08/09/04 11:09am

dhawk

PRNelson said:

CynthiasSocks said:

Prince Fakes His Guitar Playing

I think Carlos Santana would disagree with that.



While i dismiss the initial comments made by 'Byron' that Prince cannot play guitar, i do believe the comments made by 'Howcome' to be true having spent the time to check the evidence he has offered everybody to check for themselves. While he stresses that prince is in fact a great musician, he also suggests that prince has, on the ODD OCCASION, mimed particular parts of his guitar playing.

He has provided Solid evidence to his claim (video tape) whilst at the same time offered possibilities as to alternate explanations to the 'miming theory', and further evidence showing the weaknesses of these potenial explanations

Unlike most, i checked the evidence and saw with my own eyes that prince did in fact mime the particular part mention by 'Howcomeudontcallme'. I recommend that Doubters do the same instead of the constant and often unsupported claims that 'Prince has never mimed...he's above that etc etc...'

During that time, Prince began experimenting with samples by sampling certain parts of songs in concert and playing over the sample to make the sound thicker. Could this explain that moment in the Livesexy video? That he just forgot to play over a sampled part? If so, this is different from miming. His intention would be to use electronics to enhance the live music, not to replace it.


Check the evidence provided then make up your own mind

Be warned though: Just like with your woman, it will make you sad when u find he's faking it
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Reply #81 posted 08/09/04 11:13am

dhawk

PRNelson said:

CynthiasSocks said:

Prince Fakes His Guitar Playing

I think Carlos Santana would disagree with that.



While i dismiss the initial comments made by 'Byron' that Prince cannot play guitar, i do believe the comments made by 'Howcome' to be true having spent the time to check the evidence he has offered everybody to check for themselves. While he stresses that prince is in fact a great musician, he also suggests that prince has, on the ODD OCCASION, mimed particular parts of his guitar playing.

He has provided Solid evidence to his claim (video tape) whilst at the same time offered possibilities as to alternate explanations to the 'miming theory', and further evidence showing the weaknesses of these potenial explanations

Unlike most, i checked the evidence and saw with my own eyes that prince did in fact mime the particular part mention by 'Howcomeudontcallme'. I recommend that Doubters do the same instead of the constant and often unsupported claims that 'Prince has never mimed...he's above that etc etc...'


Check the evidence provided then make up your own mind

Be warned though: Just like with your woman, it will make you sad when u find he's faking it



During that time, Prince began experimenting with samples by sampling certain parts of songs in concert and playing over the sample to make the sound thicker. Could this explain that moment in the Livesexy video? That he just forgot to play over a sampled part? If so, this is different from miming. His intention would be to use electronics to enhance the live music, not to replace it.
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Reply #82 posted 08/09/04 11:16am

dhawk

This charge can easily be discredited by what happened at one of the Houston shows this weekend. During Let's Go Crazy, the sound on Prince's Hohner was so screwed up that he gave the guitar back to his tech in mid-song, and they finished the song without the guitar solo. Now, if Prince were miming, this wouldn't have been an issue.
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Reply #83 posted 08/09/04 12:49pm

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dhawk said:

Anyone who truly believes that Prince fakes his guitar work on stage needs to read the recent cover story of him in Guitar Player Magazine. In that article, the author, who is one of the magazine's senior editors, raves about what a "shred-monster" Prince can be on stage. He also raves about the way he plays funk on this tour. If anyone can detect finger-synching at a live show, it would be a senior editor of Guitar Player Magazine.

Also, anyone who's seen the Musicology tour knows this charge is baseless. For instance, he plays different leads during "Controversy" every night. In the shows I've seen, the difference has been radical on some nights. And, as someone else pointed out, the acoustic section is different every night.

Those of us who have followed Prince for 20+ years understand that people have always tried to discredit his guitar playing. There have always been plenty of people in this country--most whom I suspect are macho white heterosexual male bigots--who just refuse to believe that Prince is as good of a lead guitarist as he is. I don't know if its because of his race or that he's not macho enough or that he doesn't feel the need to rip through a every pentatonic scale at lightning speed on every song he records, but I've known plenty of jerks in my lifetime who have just refused assess his guitar work objectively. I had hoped that this kind of narrow-minded crap died with the '80s, our country's last golden era of bigotry, but apparently it still lives.

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Reply #84 posted 08/09/04 12:58pm

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Prince Fakes His Guitar Playing!!!! ...


... and i have the Roswell bodies in my backyard

and sorry i had to say soomethin;

he has fooled everyone about as much as john kerry


So they DID FIND weapons of mass destruction in Iraq then? Great! where?
[This message was edited Sun Aug 8 15:34:48 2004 by kev1n]
[This message was edited Sun Aug 8 15:35:04 2004 by kev1n]

Weapons of mass destruction were found in Texas(g.w.b.) and Florida(j.b.). wink lol
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Reply #85 posted 08/09/04 1:00pm

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Big deal you guys, so what, sometimes he fakes it. Maybe he knows what he's up to at a particular period. Like anyone else, I'm sure his ability fluctuates day to day. It does as a singer and I'm sure it does as a musician. In the Rave video he also misses a vocal cue in which Rosie Gaines is singing under him during U Got The Look, once he saw he missed it he tried to match her but it was too late, he was off. I thought it was funny but I wasn't dissapointed, geez he's just a human. For the most part he takes on an awful lot all by himself, more than anyone else you can think of and he does a pretty competent job. Not only that, no one can say his Hall of Fame performance was fake and that was the best performance I've ever seen from anyone, surpassing what I thought he could do. Ironically, the less creative he's gotten the better musician and singer he is.
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Reply #86 posted 08/09/04 1:49pm

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Vannelli said:[quote]dhawk said:[quote]Anyone who truly believes that Prince fakes his guitar work on stage needs to read the recent cover story of him in Guitar Player Magazine.



And anybody who doesnt believe that Prince HAS faked his guitar playing on stage at some point should watch the performance i mentioned earlier.
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Reply #87 posted 08/09/04 1:59pm

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dhawk said:

PRNelson said:




While i dismiss the initial comments made by 'Byron' that Prince cannot play guitar, i do believe the comments made by 'Howcome' to be true having spent the time to check the evidence he has offered everybody to check for themselves. While he stresses that prince is in fact a great musician, he also suggests that prince has, on the ODD OCCASION, mimed particular parts of his guitar playing.

He has provided Solid evidence to his claim (video tape) whilst at the same time offered possibilities as to alternate explanations to the 'miming theory', and further evidence showing the weaknesses of these potenial explanations

Unlike most, i checked the evidence and saw with my own eyes that prince did in fact mime the particular part mention by 'Howcomeudontcallme'. I recommend that Doubters do the same instead of the constant and often unsupported claims that 'Prince has never mimed...he's above that etc etc...'


Check the evidence provided then make up your own mind

Be warned though: Just like with your woman, it will make you sad when u find he's faking it



During that time, Prince began experimenting with samples by sampling certain parts of songs in concert and playing over the sample to make the sound thicker. Could this explain that moment in the Livesexy video? That he just forgot to play over a sampled part? If so, this is different from miming. His intention would be to use electronics to enhance the live music, not to replace it.



Perhaps, its a valid point to a degree. Being a guitarist myself, and having wathed the clip with scrutiny many times, I would have to ask that - if prince is playing over a sample of his guitar playing then why does the sound not become 'thicker' or change in any way when he realises he has missed his cue and starts to 'play' over it? Surely, if this method was used to make his sound 'thicker' then a noticiable difference would be evident from when he was late with his cue (just the sample playing) in comparison to when he and the sample were playing in unison.
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Reply #88 posted 08/09/04 4:37pm

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howcomeudontcallme said:[quote]Vannelli said:[quote]

dhawk said:

Anyone who truly believes that Prince fakes his guitar work on stage needs to read the recent cover story of him in Guitar Player Magazine.



And anybody who doesnt believe that Prince HAS faked his guitar playing on stage at some point should watch the performance i mentioned earlier.



howcomeudontcallme,

My post was not directed at you, only at the post that got this thread started. That said, I have to respectfully disagree with your interpretation of the livesexy performance. This afternoon, I watched it over and over again and concluded there is no inconsistency between the guitar sounds and Prince's hand movements at the point you mentioned. As Prince is falling on his right hand, he's holding a bent note, and then, as the note begins to die, he momentarily frees up his right hand to hit the note again. His hands are right in time with the sounds we hear from his guitar.

Given the quickness of Prince's movements, I can certainly see how one can suspect he's miming that part, but I think close scrutiny reveals that he does indeed play that part and there's no miming whatsoever.

Is it possible that I'm watching the wrong performance? You do mean the Holland Lovesexy Show that was broadcast throughout Europe and thus heavily bootlegged, right?

On another note, this was the first time I had watched this video in years, and it reminded me of what a kick-ass rendition of Let's Go Crazy they played on that tour. It's much funkier than the way they're playing it on the current tour, and Prince's guitar fills in the middle are richer and blusier.
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Reply #89 posted 08/09/04 5:21pm

Monnie

That's a bunch of bull crap about Prince not playing his guitar fishslap..hearing Prince play his guitar..is like
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