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Reply #180 posted 09/03/04 1:07pm

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go2theMax said:

When somebody' somebody were recorded? is the live studio mix the original song?


The earliest circulating versions are the ones from 1994 featuring Derek Hughes on vocals. Personally, I'd guess Prince first recorded it around the same time as Hide The Bone in 1993 because it has the same co-writers, Brenda Lee Eager and Hilliard Wilson. biggrin

The Livestudio version was probably made in 1996 with the single release in mind. biggrin
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Reply #181 posted 09/03/04 1:22pm

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BorisFishpaw said:

On reflection I think this version of Endorphinmachine should be included, as even though it may be only 'live in the studio', the same holds true for The Undertaker session and the livestudio mix of Somebody's Somebody. So I think it is fair to include it as it was officially released. The TOTP version of TMBGITW should not be included though, for the simple reason that it was never commercially released (or intended to be).


Let's see now... In Days Of Wild, it says under 30 April 1994: " prince 's video of the Mustang Mix of The Most Beautiful Girl In The World is aired on BBC's Top Of The Pops TV Show."

Now I'm confused again. mr.green

I've never seen this TMBGITW (Mustang Mix) performance/video on TOTP, but if it IS different from the released version on The Beautiful Experience EP and it is a videotaped performance just like you say the CD-R version of Endorphinemachine is, then I'll just list 'em both. biggrin

But now I feel guilty for not also listing the version of TMBGITW performed in Monaco during the World Music Awards, 4 May 1994. sigh
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Reply #182 posted 09/03/04 1:48pm

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scififilmnerd said:

BorisFishpaw said:

On reflection I think this version of Endorphinmachine should be included, as even though it may be only 'live in the studio', the same holds true for The Undertaker session and the livestudio mix of Somebody's Somebody. So I think it is fair to include it as it was officially released. The TOTP version of TMBGITW should not be included though, for the simple reason that it was never commercially released (or intended to be).


Let's see now... In Days Of Wild, it says under 30 April 1994: " prince 's video of the Mustang Mix of The Most Beautiful Girl In The World is aired on BBC's Top Of The Pops TV Show."

Now I'm confused again. mr.green

I've never seen this TMBGITW (Mustang Mix) performance/video on TOTP, but if it IS different from the released version on The Beautiful Experience EP and it is a videotaped performance just like you say the CD-R version of Endorphinemachine is, then I'll just list 'em both. biggrin

But now I feel guilty for not also listing the version of TMBGITW performed in Monaco during the World Music Awards, 4 May 1994. sigh
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I think at this point we're splitting hairs. The Mustang Mix TOTP performance and the Endorphinmachine performance are just performance videos. If we're including the Endorphinmachine performance in a recording sessions list like the one above because it was released to purchase in this form, does that mean we would also include the Take Me With U and IWD4U/Baby I'm A Star performance videos from 20 years ago in a 1984-1985 equivalent, simply because they were released last week on DVD?

Either way, this is a wonderful thread, although I think we're getting into greyer and greyer areas for the sake of keeping the thread bumped up. At some point, we might want to follow Prince's line from Dinner With Delores: "No more. That's the end."
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Reply #183 posted 09/03/04 6:16pm

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The Interactive CDRom version of Endorphinmachine is on the bootleg "Silver" (along with really terrible quality Glam Slam Ulysses tracks recorded from the audience of a performance) Clocks in at 5.07 (including the extended intro from the game.)
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Reply #184 posted 09/04/04 12:34am

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booyah said:

I think at this point we're splitting hairs. The Mustang Mix TOTP performance and the Endorphinmachine performance are just performance videos. If we're including the Endorphinmachine performance in a recording sessions list like the one above because it was released to purchase in this form, does that mean we would also include the Take Me With U and IWD4U/Baby I'm A Star performance videos from 20 years ago in a 1984-1985 equivalent, simply because they were released last week on DVD?


I think you're right. I'm gonna remove them again. biggrin
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Reply #185 posted 09/04/04 12:47am

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booyah said:


I think at this point we're splitting hairs. The Mustang Mix TOTP performance and the Endorphinmachine performance are just performance videos. If we're including the Endorphinmachine performance in a recording sessions list like the one above because it was released to purchase in this form, does that mean we would also include the Take Me With U and IWD4U/Baby I'm A Star performance videos from 20 years ago in a 1984-1985 equivalent, simply because they were released last week on DVD?


Very true, I think you're right.
On reflection, I think that any of these rehearsal or live in the studio versions should only be
included if they were officially released in an audio-only format at some point (like the 12"
version of I Would Die 4 U, the CD Single of Days Of Wild or the NPGMC release of a rehearsal
version of Rebirth Of The Flesh). Tracks which only exist as videos should not be included.
It's definitely the most logical place to draw the line.
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Reply #186 posted 09/04/04 4:18am

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BorisFishpaw said:

Very true, I think you're right.
On reflection, I think that any of these rehearsal or live in the studio versions should only be
included if they were officially released in an audio-only format at some point (like the 12"
version of I Would Die 4 U, the CD Single of Days Of Wild or the NPGMC release of a rehearsal
version of Rebirth Of The Flesh). Tracks which only exist as videos should not be included.
It's definitely the most logical place to draw the line.


So, in retrospect, do we end up with three or four different versions of Endorphinmachine, then?

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Reply #187 posted 09/04/04 8:22am

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giotto said:


So, in retrospect, do we end up with three or four different versions of Endorphinmachine, then?

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In retrospect.... you were right in the first place biggrin there's three different versions.

(The Interactive CDROM version should not be included due to it being a video track.)
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Reply #188 posted 09/06/04 4:05am

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scififilmnerd said:

I'm sure there are still things in The Vault from that period which we don't even know about.


Speaking of which:

I've just added the recently surfaced Poet 99 EP to the chronological list. I've placed it at mid-1994 because she performed with prince at Glam Slam Los Angeles on 27 June 1994, so they were probably working together in L.A. at that time. Also, it would have to be before the Space single, because the Space single features samples from The Boom. biggrin
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Reply #189 posted 09/06/04 4:12am

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KAB said:

Is it going to be possible to expand or elaborate on the early CHAOS AND DISORDER configurations. This album marked the end of the "golden" period IMO. I've burned the restored configurations of COME, TGE and THE UNDERTAKER and just need to flesh out C&D to complete the set [and find a proper home for the brilliant original version of ZANNALEE and the stunning EMPTY ROOM].


I'd love to know the track list for the '94 configuration of Chaos And Disorder. Unfortunately, I don't. Yet. But I have just flipped through Uptown's Days Of Wild and have corrected a few listings for Chaos And Disorder tracks on the chronological list. With the Come single being made prior to 14 October 1994, I've moved 18 & Over #1 & #2 up on the list. biggrin

Also, the video for The Same December was shot on 8 November 1994, so the song must have been recorded prior to that. The video version of 18 & Over was shot around the same time. I've kept those two listings under Chaos And Disorder, but have expanded it's previously listed recording period from December to encompass November. biggrin

Unrelated, I've also added the Erotic City Remix to The Hits Remixes, 1993. biggrin
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Reply #190 posted 09/07/04 4:33am

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I've moved the Poet 99 tracks on the chronological list because Days Of Wild samples "Hold On To Your Wigs" from It's Our Music, so the 99 recordings must have been made prior to the recording of Days Of Wild in early 1994. biggrin

With prince making a reference to 99 in Now, which was recorded in October 1993, that means the 99 tracks might even have been recorded in 1993. Warners didn't announce the termination of Paisley Park until 1 February 1994, so if 99's tracks where done before that, it could mean that 99's hopes of seeing her tracks released got crushed, like Rosie Gaines' expectations for her album. sad

And then prince just used 99's scrapped EP as a source for samples, utterly stripmining the darn thing. razz
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Reply #191 posted 09/07/04 8:07am

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scififilmnerd said:


And then prince just used 99's scrapped EP as a source for samples, utterly stripmining the darn thing. razz
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That's right, but only after Prince played all over it.

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Reply #192 posted 09/07/04 5:39pm

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I've just learned that there are actually TWO different versions of POEM in circulation. The first one is the one to which I posted the lyrics on the first COME thread and segues with What's My Name. The other one has some lines added that were later used as segues on the released Come album. That one segues with Interactive.

I'll correct the chronological list immediately. biggrin
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Reply #193 posted 09/07/04 6:38pm

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This thread rocks.
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Reply #194 posted 09/08/04 1:41am

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fiveorange said:




Wow I didn't know that. Thanks for sharing.


The only two tracks I know of slated for inclusion from Prince were "She Gave Her Angels" and "Starfish & Coffee 96". Not coincidentally, these were the two songs he performed on Muppets Tonight


Does anyone have an idea of how to get a hold of a copy of this episode of the Muppets? I would love to see this airing. Also, I heard that he did a remake of Raspberry Beret, only he entitled it Raspberry Sorbet.

Apart from that, I didn't know that there was so much to do available about the music from these years. Maybe this is part of the reason why the Gold album once had a release date of: Never. Hmmm...
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Reply #195 posted 09/09/04 6:40am

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Does anyone has a picture of that TGE Promo cd that Prince gave 2 David Letterman...or could describe it? and the tracklist?
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Reply #196 posted 09/09/04 7:06am

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This is really one of the more interesting thread in the Org. history!

Just a simple question, hoping to not ask something already clarified.....
Was the original version of "The Most Beautiful Girl In The World" on any previous configuration of the "Gold Experience" or the released album version was on from the beginning?
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Reply #197 posted 09/09/04 10:58am

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scififilmnerd said:

But I don't think there is any more right now. But if new info shows up, I'll start a follow-up thread again, for sure. biggrin

Thanks to everyone who participated so far. touched



Much props to you!!

you know your stuff and did your homework, all excellent!!

I wish there are more threads like yours, this is the knd of stuff that us "diehards" want to know about.

Keep it up!!
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Reply #198 posted 09/09/04 1:30pm

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BoraBora said:

This is really one of the more interesting thread in the Org. history!

Just a simple question, hoping to not ask something already clarified.....
Was the original version of "The Most Beautiful Girl In The World" on any previous configuration of the "Gold Experience" or the released album version was on from the beginning?


The earlier configurations used the slightly longer (4:37) Beautiful Experience version of The
Most Beautiful Girl In The World (...what you might call the 'full length' single version).
As far as I know, the March 1994 configuration of The Gold Experience was the first one to
include the reworked 'album version'.
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Reply #199 posted 09/15/04 10:49am

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"April 1994... A CD, possibly a “working version” or a Paisley Park “in-house” disc, exists with tracks that would eventually find their way on The Gold Experience and Come. It contains the following 11 songs: “Strength,” “Ripopgodazippa,” “Interactive,” “Space,” “Endorphinmachine,” “Days Of Wild,” “Now,” “Angie,” “319,” “The Jam (Graham Central Station’s),” and “Gold.” The album contains many segues, including a bit of the “Coca-Cola Theme Song” before “Gold.” Interestingly, “The Jam (Graham Central Station’s)” featured the tagline, ‘All respect to Larry Graham,’ while “Angie” is a 19-minute cover version of an old Rolling Stones tune. Virtually nothing is known about “Strength.”

xcerpt from the new Uptown section on Housequake.com


Never heard of this tracklist before..even some songs I've never heard "Strenght", "Angie"!


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Reply #200 posted 09/15/04 1:05pm

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I LOVE THIS THREAD!!!!!
I have nothing 2 add, though...It's just 4 the claiming of the 200th comment on it cool
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Reply #201 posted 09/15/04 1:30pm

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I'd forgotten about the track "Strength". I'm sure I've seen this track used as the opening
number on yet another configuration at some point (but I just can't remember where or when).

edit:
Ahh, I just found it on one of my "original & alternate versions" lists...
My mistake, it IS the same tracklisting as above:
(I should have remembered about this version when this thread started!)

1. Strength
2. Ripopgodazippa
3. Interactive
4. Space
5. Endorphin Machine
6. Days Of Wild
7. Now
8. Angie
9. 319
10. The Jam
11. Gold

I was sure I'd seen this tracklisting in Uptown's Days Of Wild book, but having scanned through
it's pages a few times I can't seem to find it.
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Reply #202 posted 09/16/04 7:03am

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where the hell is this paisley park in-house cd?? neutral
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Reply #203 posted 09/16/04 7:19am

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question 2 Boris...

Prince used/uses 2 play a guitar solo in 93/94 I first heard on the boot Stars&Bars...it's the guitar intro before The Ride...he also played this quite a few times as in sequence 2 She's Always In my hair during the 1993 concerts or as the opening track of June 25 2002 concert @ Paisley Park.
Any info if this is actually a song from him or just a guitar solo? It's sometimes referred as Jimi Hendrix's Voodoo Child but I don't think that's it...too different...could that be an unreleased track?
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Reply #204 posted 09/16/04 9:03am

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Marco81 said:

Never heard of this tracklist before..even some songs I've never heard "Strenght", "Angie"!


I haven't heard 'em either, but they've been on my list of chronological recordings since I initially read about them - possibly in Uptown, but I honestly can't remember where. neutral

As you can see, they're listed among other tracks not mentioned in Uptown's later publications, which is weird because I think they printed the lyrics to What It is... once. Or was that some other magazine? At this point, I honestly can't remember. redface

Anyway, the track list is new to me. eek

Where on earth does this one fit on the list of tracklists? It's from 1994, but could we possibly narrow it down a bit? Boris? headlp
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Reply #205 posted 09/16/04 9:32am

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This is really spooky!
A: this tracklisting isn't a new discovery, it's been mentioned before, a long time ago.
B: Everybody (including me) totally forgot about it's existance until now!
C: I could have sworn I read about it in 'Days Of Wild' as the first tentative version of
The Gold Experience.
D: I've just scanned the pages of Days Of Wild thoroughly and I can't find it anywhere!
E: I must be going mad.
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Reply #206 posted 09/16/04 9:50am

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BorisFishpaw said:

This is really spooky!
A: this tracklisting isn't a new discovery, it's been mentioned before, a long time ago.
B: Everybody (including me) totally forgot about it's existance until now!
C: I could have sworn I read about it in 'Days Of Wild' as the first tentative version of
The Gold Experience.
D: I've just scanned the pages of Days Of Wild thoroughly and I can't find it anywhere!
E: I must be going mad.


I'd assumed it was a mixture of fact and fiction (remember, at that point he'd never released a cover version), but I'd love it to be true, along with the Tales From An Electric Sun album that I heard about at the same time - anyone have the tracklisting for this (even if it's not a real album)? I'd thought ...Electric Sun was fake, until Love4oneanother (or the equivalent) mentioned that "something Electric" was coming soon, the same time they announced the aborted Face Down maxi-single (which would have included the Holy River instrumental that ended up on NPGMC in 2001... but I digress).
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Reply #207 posted 09/21/04 9:27am

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BorisFishpaw said:

1. Strength
2. Ripopgodazippa
3. Interactive
4. Space
5. Endorphin Machine
6. Days Of Wild
7. Now
8. Angie
9. 319
10. The Jam
11. Gold


Well, unless that's Space (acoustic) and this is the tracklist for the Heart album confused , then I think it would have to have been made before Come and Gold were (re-)split into two albums in March 1994. smile

As Days Of Wild is included on this configuration, and Strength and Angie were likewise recorded a bit into the year 1994, this tracklist would probably fit in between the listings for Gold and the radio tape. biggrin

Any objections to me putting it there? smile
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Reply #208 posted 09/21/04 7:54pm

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I haven’t been able to locate the lyric for What It Is (yet?), which makes me suspect that it was printed in 10.000 magazine which I don’t personally have. But I think it was about searching for one’s road and when it’s found, the road will follow you. Or something. confuse

But I did come across this here little ditty, handed out 9 September 1995 at Paisley Park:

Emancipation
Is it reality or just a dream?

2 your spirit eye say eye love U. In spite of my slavery
We’re both 2 blame 4 this lesson in life
Cuz this is the path we choose
eye ’m sure eye knew U long ago
Look in your soul – it knows
And eye would never claim more righteous
Dare Napoleon and Hitler see
It depends on who U ask my friend
eye love U, do U love me?

How will history sing, my brother
What song will our children teach?
The Emancipation Proclamation
Is well within our reach

Tear down the walls that make us bicker
4 many years eye fought your war
One stroke of your pen could conquer
Every sin our actions bore
eye implore the goodness that’s in all of us
An example we now must set
4 when this life is over
What U be is what U get

The Dawn is coming!
The Dawn is coming!
Acknowledge and save us all
Free my people 2 bring the message
Heed the call! Heed the call!

And this song from every mountain top
Every child will surely teach
The Emancipation Proclamation
Is well within our reach

eye love U, eye love U – do U love me?

- a poem to WB or a the lyric for a song? You decide. wink
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Reply #209 posted 09/27/04 6:40am

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Hi.

I've had chance to look through a few magazines and papers of the time and have noted the following:

The Continental magazine circa June 1996, in its review of C&D, states that following an interview for Spanish magazine 'El Pais' with Rosa Montero in 1994, Prince gave her a tape of two songs he said were his favourite at that moment. The tape contained Dolphin and Dinner with Delores.

I believe you have a tentative placing of Dinner with Delores as being recorded in early 1996 [the Miami sessions].

In Uptown #20 news section it states that following the US release of COME on 18 August 1994, the NPG shop in Minneapolis handed out the TGE: release date: NEVER! flyers.

I believe you have We March as completed in October 1994, which is after this flyer was handed out stating it as a track on TGE.

Hope this helps.
Anyway I'll keep looking for any tit-bits.
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