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Reply #30 posted 08/08/04 4:57am

shaomi

scififilmnerd said:


There may be about Kama Sutra, though. Haven't you all noticed how in The Beautiful Experience TV movie, Shhh continues into a 1 to 2 minutes instrumental piece that sounds very much like something off of Kama Sutra, but it isn't included on the released Kama Sutra. And prince WAS working on Kama Sutra in spring 1994. hmmm

I'd say that piece qualifies as an outtake. nod
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Well, the end credits of the video says that another guy (somebody remembers his name?) composed & recorded "incidental music" 4 the film, so the Shhh part u mention might b one of this guy's compositions. It might also b Prince, though. I'd say it ain't an outtake since The Beautiful Experience has been officially released as a promo video. 2 me everything on it should b considered as official release, including this live version of "shhh" with the orchestral end.
Though it has nothing 2 do with this thread, i'd add that i remember a 1998 innerview where P said he was working with Clare Fisher on more orchestral stuff. But it won't probably ever b released sad
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Reply #31 posted 08/08/04 5:04am

scififilmnerd

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BorisFishpaw said:

There is yet another confirmed tracklist for an early version of The Gold Experience (at this point still unnamed) most probably predating the March '94 configuration which included quite a few tracks from Chaos And Disorder.
It had the following tracklist...

1. Come
2. Endorphin Machine
3. Hide The Bone
4. Chaos And Disorder
5. Listen 2 The Rhythm
6. Now
7. Right The Wrong
8. Acknowledge Me
9. Ripopgodazippa
10. The Most Beautiful Girl In The World
11. 319
12. Shy
13. Billy Jack Bitch
14. Eye Hate U
15. Gold

This may well be the pre-Radio Tape version of 'The Gold Album' listed earlier. 'Listen 2 The
Rhythm' is actually the same track that surfaced on Mayte's album as 'The Rhythm Of Your
Heart' (the intro heartbeat of which can still be heard as the outro to Chaos And Disorder on
the released album of the same name).


shocked

BORIS?! hug

The information is greatly appreciated. I agree, this does appear likely to be the track list for The Gold Album as the list doesn't include Days Of Wild - probably because that hadn't been recorded yet. (Days Of Wild was supposedly recorded in February 1994).

Anyways, I have added the track list to the list above. Thanks, Boris! biggrin

And I take it this track list also qualifies as the "prince : The Gold Experience (1994) - mentioned by BorisFishpaw
Track list unknown but includes Hide The Bone."-entry, so I have deleted it from the list above. nod
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Reply #32 posted 08/08/04 5:13am

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BorisFishpaw said:

There is yet another confirmed tracklist for an early version of The Gold Experience (at this point still unnamed) most probably predating the March '94 configuration which included quite a few tracks from Chaos And Disorder.
It had the following tracklist...

1. Come
2. Endorphin Machine
3. Hide The Bone
4. Chaos And Disorder
5. Listen 2 The Rhythm
6. Now
7. Right The Wrong
8. Acknowledge Me
9. Ripopgodazippa
10. The Most Beautiful Girl In The World
11. 319
12. Shy
13. Billy Jack Bitch
14. Eye Hate U
15. Gold

This is most likely the source for the recently surfaced '93-'94 outtakes that are newly circulating


I ain't seen those available yet! omfg

What's the title of the boot so's I'll know which one to look for? And what exactly is on it? headlp

And regarding the track list for Gold... Is it the single or the album version of The Most Beatiful Girl In The World that is included on this configuration? confuse
Is it The Beautiful Experience TV movie-version of Come? confuse
Are there any other differences to released versions besides Listen 2 The Rhythm? Surely Rosie Gaines isn't singing on Chaos And Disorder at this point? confuse

What are the running times?! confuse
And what about the NPG Operator segues? Aren't they on here?! omg
The NPG Operator does appear on the longer version of Billy Jack Bitch. But is it the longer version or the edit on this configuration? confuse

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Reply #33 posted 08/08/04 5:17am

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shaomi said:

I'd say it ain't an outtake since The Beautiful Experience has been officially released as a promo video. 2 me everything on it should b considered as official release, including this live version of "shhh" with the orchestral end.


Well, that's where we see it differently. To me, things have only been officially released if they are available on record at my local record store. biggrin
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Reply #34 posted 08/08/04 5:17am

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gooeythehamster said:

howcomeudontcallme said:




Cool! how'd ya do that? biggrin


LoL
With the sample YOU sent me, silly. That what you mean? Or do you want me to walk you through the simple technological steps?


Yeah i was just being silly! biggrin
You do as I say
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Reply #35 posted 08/08/04 5:55am

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hmmm

Considering that prince recorded Hide The Bone, which he co-wrote with Brenda Lee Eager and Hilliard Wilson, in November 1993, doesn't it stand to reason that he also recorded Somebody's Somebody, which Brenda Lee Eager and Hilliard Wilson also co-wrote, around the same time? confuse
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Reply #36 posted 08/08/04 12:21pm

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The radio tape (6 March 1994)

The Beautiful Experience Medley (10:32)
Interactive (2:25)
Days Of Wild (4:03)
Now (4:46)
Poem (3:36)
Acknowledge Me (5:28)
319 (3:21)
Pheromone (4:36)


are these songs available somewhere? (on boots perhaps)?just curios 2 hear the edits on these and if they actually were different versions
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Reply #37 posted 08/08/04 2:15pm

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Marco81 said:

The radio tape (6 March 1994)

The Beautiful Experience Medley (10:32)
Interactive (2:25)
Days Of Wild (4:03)
Now (4:46)
Poem (3:36)
Acknowledge Me (5:28)
319 (3:21)
Pheromone (4:36)


are these songs available somewhere? (on boots perhaps)?just curios 2 hear the edits on these and if they actually were different versions


All of them, except Poem, are on a boot called Now. nod
The Beautiful Experience Medley is a medley of all the different versions of The Most Beautiful Girl In The World from the Beautiful Experience maxi CD-single. Interactive and Days of Wild are the opening tracks from the March configuration of The Gold Experience, including the NPG Operator segues. drool
Now, Acknowledge Me, 319 and Pheromone are the same as the released versions. biggrin

The Now boot contains: Interactive, Days Of Wild, The Beautiful Experience Medley, Now, Acknowledge Me, 319, Pheromone, MPLS and The Ryde Dyvine. It's a nice collection. When it came out back in '94 I heard it a lot and still do, occassionally. biggrin
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Reply #38 posted 08/08/04 2:50pm

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scififilmnerd said:

BorisFishpaw said:

There is yet another confirmed tracklist for an early version of The Gold Experience (at this point still unnamed) most probably predating the March '94 configuration which included quite a few tracks from Chaos And Disorder.
It had the following tracklist...

1. Come
2. Endorphin Machine
3. Hide The Bone
4. Chaos And Disorder
5. Listen 2 The Rhythm
6. Now
7. Right The Wrong
8. Acknowledge Me
9. Ripopgodazippa
10. The Most Beautiful Girl In The World
11. 319
12. Shy
13. Billy Jack Bitch
14. Eye Hate U
15. Gold

This is most likely the source for the recently surfaced '93-'94 outtakes that are newly circulating


I ain't seen those available yet! omfg

What's the title of the boot so's I'll know which one to look for? And what exactly is on it? headlp

And regarding the track list for Gold... Is it the single or the album version of The Most Beatiful Girl In The World that is included on this configuration? confuse
Is it The Beautiful Experience TV movie-version of Come? confuse
Are there any other differences to released versions besides Listen 2 The Rhythm? Surely Rosie Gaines isn't singing on Chaos And Disorder at this point? confuse

What are the running times?! confuse
And what about the NPG Operator segues? Aren't they on here?! omg
The NPG Operator does appear on the longer version of Billy Jack Bitch. But is it the longer version or the edit on this configuration? confuse

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Well, only some of the tracks have surfaced at the moment, so I can't say for certain what
versions of tracks that haven't surfaced (yet) were used. Here's a rundown on the ones that
are circulating...

Come (4:44) / Endorphin Machine (3:51) - these are the original versions, and are the same
as the ones that appear on the earliest known 'Come' configurations. They segue together as
recorded. Endorphin Machine fades out at the end instead of segueing into 'Space', but you
can still hear the opening held synth notes of space as it fades out. It's very very close to the
version on the 11th March test pressing, just a little rawer sounding and the drums sound a
bit dry.

Chaos And Disorder (4:11) - early mix. Notable differences: all the samples and sound effects
are much higher in the mix (there's also a few included that didn't make the final version). The
tamborine is more noticable throughout, and the drums have more reverb on them than on the
final mix. Also more noticable are Mayte's backing vocals, and there's no Rosie Gaines on the
track at all. As the outro heartbeat finishes you can just hear the "Listen to the R..." intro to
'The Rhythm Of Your Heart' start up (sung by Prince).

Right The Wrong (4:40) - early mix. slightly different arrangement. The drumming sounds
more pronounced, and horns to the fore (doesn't quite sound so 'country'). As it finishes you
can just hear the Boni sample from the beginning of 'Acknowledge Me' start up.

Gold (7:36) - early mix, more basic sounding. Lacks a lot of the backing vocals and a lot of
the secondary keyboard parts, also lacks the 'epic' sound of the finished version (the drums
are very dry and simple). There's no NPG Operator over the ending.
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Reply #39 posted 08/08/04 3:05pm

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It's also worth noting that all the pre-Dawn versions of 'Come' are allegedly merely untitled
collections of current tracks, and were not intended as album configurations (hmmm...
despite the fact that they DO flow very well as album sequences, AND are not that far removed
from the finally released version's running order).
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Reply #40 posted 08/08/04 3:11pm

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BorisFishpaw said:

Well, only some of the tracks have surfaced at the moment, so I can't say for certain what versions of tracks that haven't surfaced (yet) were used. Here's a rundown on the ones that are circulating...

Come (4:44) / Endorphin Machine (3:51) - these are the original versions, and are the same
as the ones that appear on the earliest known 'Come' configurations. They segue together as
recorded. Endorphin Machine fades out at the end instead of segueing into 'Space', but you
can still hear the opening held synth notes of space as it fades out. It's very very close to the
version on the 11th March test pressing, just a little rawer sounding and the drums sound a
bit dry.

Chaos And Disorder (4:11) - early mix. Notable differences: all the samples and sound effects
are much higher in the mix (there's also a few included that didn't make the final version). The tamborine is more noticable throughout, and the drums have more reverb on them than on the final mix. Also more noticable are Mayte's backing vocals, and there's no Rosie Gaines on the track at all. As the outro heartbeat finishes you can just hear the "Listen to the R..." intro to 'The Rhythm Of Your Heart' start up (sung by Prince).

Right The Wrong (4:40) - early mix. slightly different arrangement. The drumming sounds
more pronounced, and horns to the fore (doesn't quite sound so 'country'). As it finishes you
can just hear the Boni sample from the beginning of 'Acknowledge Me' start up.

Gold (7:36) - early mix, more basic sounding. Lacks a lot of the backing vocals and a lot of
the secondary keyboard parts, also lacks the 'epic' sound of the finished version (the drums
are very dry and simple). There's no NPG Operator over the ending.


Stupid bootleggers! Why don't they just boot the entire albums rather than just some of the tracks?! stab

So, anyways... You're saying that Come should be (4:44) and Endorphin Machine (3:51) - the Glam Slam Ulysses versions - on all the 1993 configurations of Come - even on the cassette from April? confuse

And so you think, what, that there were no NPG Operator segues on this/the Gold configuration? Sounds like there weren't. confuse

And what was the name of the boot? Or are these versions simply... "circulating" ? stab
Cuz I wanna hear 'em, too! drool
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Reply #41 posted 08/08/04 3:16pm

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BorisFishpaw said:

It's also worth noting that all the pre-Dawn versions of 'Come' are allegedly merely untitled collections of current tracks, and were not intended as album configurations (hmmm... despite the fact that they DO flow very well as album sequences, AND are not that far removed from the finally released version's running order).


WHAT?! You didn't read the second post on this thread?! omfg

You know, the one that says: On April 10th 1993, Prince told journalist Alan Light: “We have a new album finished" and so forth?! Read it NOW! stab

Like, that's what I wrote it for... cry

And read the fourth one too while you're at it. I put a question for you there. nod

I'll await your comments. wink
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Reply #42 posted 08/08/04 3:31pm

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scififilmnerd said:


Stupid bootleggers! Why don't they just boot the entire albums rather than just some of the tracks?! stab

Well, they just love to let you know that they've STILL got stuff you want (but can't have...yet)

So, anyways... You're saying that Come should be (4:44) and Endorphin Machine (3:51) - the Glam Slam Ulysses versions - on all the 1993 configurations of Come - even on the cassette from April? confuse


Definitely! Though the exact timings would vary by a few seconds depending on where exactly you
think Come ends and Endorphin Machine begins (of course the combined time would still be the
same)

And so you think, what, that there were no NPG Operator segues on this/the Gold configuration? Sounds like there weren't. confuse


Interesting point, and to be honest I don't know for sure. They're certainly not listed, but I
suspect that they were included, as I've yet to hear a version of Billy Jack Bitch without it. Also,
I forgot to mention that Eye Hate U is circulating too. It's very similar to the final version, but
the drums sound dryer and weaker. plus it doesn't segue into that final NPG Operator bit with
all the vari-speeded "Welcome 2 The Dawn"s. But it DOES still include the NPG Operator over
the intro to the track.

And what was the name of the boot? Or are these versions simply... "circulating" ? stab
Cuz I wanna hear 'em, too! drool


They're just "circulating" at the moment (as is the wishes of the person that "freed" them.
See Housequake.com's bootleg section for more details)
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Reply #43 posted 08/08/04 3:50pm

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I'd also say a more accurate track timing for the first 'Come' cassette sequence from April '93
would be as follows...

1. Come (4:44)
2. Endorphin Machine (3:51)
3. Space (5:32)
4. Pheromone (4:22)
5. Loose (3:22)
6. Papa (2:47)
7. Dark (6:26)
8. Dolphin (6:27)
9. Poem (3:36)
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Reply #44 posted 08/08/04 3:51pm

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BorisFishpaw said:

Definitely! Though the exact timings would vary by a few seconds depending on where exactly you think Come ends and Endorphin Machine begins (of course the combined time would still be the same)


Okay, cool. I'll correct that on the list. biggrin
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Reply #45 posted 08/08/04 3:55pm

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BorisFishpaw said:

I'd also say a more accurate track timing for the first 'Come' cassette sequence from April '93 would be as follows...

1. Come (4:44)
2. Endorphin Machine (3:51)
3. Space (5:32)
4. Pheromone (4:22)
5. Loose (3:22)
6. Papa (2:47)
7. Dark (6:26)
8. Dolphin (6:27)
9. Poem (3:36)


hmmm Could be, except Prince supposedly didn't extend Papa until May. Originally, it ended on a "Boom!". nod

Also, I'm not sure about the Glam Slam Ulysses-version of Come being udated into existence until May, either. So I've noted the times for both the 2nd January and the May-versions in the list above, and then people can make their own pick. biggrin
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Reply #46 posted 08/08/04 4:09pm

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BorisFishpaw said:

Also, I forgot to mention that Eye Hate U is circulating too. It's very similar to the final version, but the drums sound dryer and weaker. plus it doesn't segue into that final NPG Operator bit withall the vari-speeded "Welcome 2 The Dawn"s. But it DOES still include the NPG Operator over the intro to the track.


And the time for that version is...? confuse
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Reply #47 posted 08/08/04 4:16pm

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Much as I like a good history guessing game, I think we need to be a bit careful.

You have stated so many assumptions, or unvarified sources, its like a game of chinese whispers, and the chances of it being anywhere near the truth are getting more unlikely by the minute.

Whilst its a bit of innocent guessing game, these things have a habit of becoming accepted as the truth, and before we know it, we have invented and re-written history! The "evidence" is shaky to say the least.

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Reply #48 posted 08/08/04 4:26pm

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SquirrelMeat said:

You have stated so many assumptions, or unvarified sources, its like a game of chinese whispers, and the chances of it being anywhere near the truth are getting more unlikely by the minute.


And here I thought we were narrowing the truth down. omfg

I trust the sources and I think that this thread is quite clear on what has sources and what I have assumed. As for you and others, you can make up your own minds. wink
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Reply #49 posted 08/08/04 8:01pm

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square how uncool am i? i have never even heard any of this kind oof info ono Prince/ prince material, especially if it were all concieved around the same time. as 4 the live multi-album, i remember hearing about that. wasn't it sslated 2 be called Bright Lights, Big City, or something 2 that effect? holler back if u remember that title.
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square how uncool am i? i have never even heard any of this kind oof info ono Prince/ prince material, especially if it were all concieved around the same time. as 4 the live multi-album, i remember hearing about that. wasn't it sslated 2 be called Bright Lights, Big City, or something 2 that effect? holler back if u remember that title.
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Reply #51 posted 08/08/04 11:14pm

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scififilmnerd said:

BorisFishpaw said:

Also, I forgot to mention that Eye Hate U is circulating too. It's very similar to the final version, but the drums sound dryer and weaker. plus it doesn't segue into that final NPG Operator bit withall the vari-speeded "Welcome 2 The Dawn"s. But it DOES still include the NPG Operator over the intro to the track.


And the time for that version is...? confuse


Eye Hate U (6:15)
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Reply #52 posted 08/09/04 1:53am

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Marco81 said:

The radio tape (6 March 1994)

The Beautiful Experience Medley (10:32)
Interactive (2:25)
Days Of Wild (4:03)
Now (4:46)
Poem (3:36)
Acknowledge Me (5:28)
319 (3:21)
Pheromone (4:36)


are these songs available somewhere? (on boots perhaps)?just curios 2 hear the edits on these and if they actually were different versions


All of them, except Poem, are on a boot called Now.
The Beautiful Experience Medley is a medley of all the different versions of The Most Beautiful Girl In The World from the Beautiful Experience maxi CD-single. Interactive and Days of Wild are the opening tracks from the March configuration of The Gold Experience, including the NPG Operator segues.
Now, Acknowledge Me, 319 and Pheromone are the same as the released versions.

The Now boot contains: Interactive, Days Of Wild, The Beautiful Experience Medley, Now, Acknowledge Me, 319, Pheromone, MPLS and The Ryde Dyvine. It's a nice collection. When it came out back in '94 I heard it a lot and still do, occassionally.


thanx shifi smile
gonna find this boot on the hub
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Reply #53 posted 08/09/04 1:55am

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scififilmnerd said:

BorisFishpaw said:

Also, I forgot to mention that Eye Hate U is circulating too. It's very similar to the final version, but the drums sound dryer and weaker. plus it doesn't segue into that final NPG Operator bit withall the vari-speeded "Welcome 2 The Dawn"s. But it DOES still include the NPG Operator over the intro to the track.


And the time for that version is...?


Eye Hate U (6:15)


ehy Boris where can I find this version of I Hate U u are talkin'about?
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Reply #54 posted 08/09/04 2:15am

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scififilmnerd said:



hmmm

Could be, except Prince supposedly didn't extend Papa until May. Originally, it ended on a "Boom!".

nod



nod

I also remember pretty accurately that late April or early May MTV mentioned Papa
in their MTV News section on TV as well as on TV-Text.

They reported that Papa would be Prince's next single and then went on to explain
what the song was about, even quoting the line

"Don't abuse children, or else they'll turn out like me"


Fcuz, MTV news is not always reliable and around that period, any info on a new Prince
'single' would have been slightly dodgy since there was so much going on at the same
time.

But I just thought I'd mention it here smile
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Plus-

I am also more than 100% sure that a while ago a handwritten tracklist for a very
early version of "Gold" ended up for sale on Ebay.

It contained "Lovesign", a track I haven't seen mentioned on this thread yet,
eventho it was a song that got quite a bit more attention from Prince than a
lot of the other tracks.

A promo single was made with many different versions, a video was made and
he even alluded to it several times as one of the songs that really flared up his
fight with Warners.

"I wrote this song about gun controll and wanted to release it as the next
single but Warners just laughed at it" -or something like that.

To me, some of the lyrics on "Face Down" allude to that once again. It seems
he got quite pissed off about Warners laughing off some of his better songs
from that period.

Just like they laughed when he played them "Exodus" and told him there was
no way in hell they would release a silly album like that.
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Reply #56 posted 08/09/04 3:07am

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hello, what a good thread this is! Thank u 4 this detailed info... This Gold / Come period has always been one of my fave P periods. The music was so damn tight and the shows were supurb!
I only have one ? though...
Is there a promo of Gold circulating with Days of Wild on it?? I used to hear rumours about it back then... Been looking 4 this version ever since!!

Keep up the good work!
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Reply #57 posted 08/09/04 3:52am

Marco81

talkin' about Days Of Wild...did Prince ever considered 2 release the gold exp. with a live version of it or only with the studio version? If there was intention 2 release it with the live version...which one?The BEautiful Exp. one?
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Reply #58 posted 08/09/04 7:32am

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IstenSzek said:

"Lovesign"


IstenSzek?! Long time, no see... drool

Regarding Lovesign, it IS possible that there were a configuration of The Gold Experience between the March and September/October-configurations that may have included Lovesign and POSSIBLY - but unlikely - other newly recorded tracks like Mad and Funky Design. But I haven't personally seen, read or heard anything to confirm this. confused

Yes, prince did indeed have a Lovesign EP produced, but he didn't make any of the remixes himself, which is why I haven't included it on the list. razz

prince told the story regarding Lovesign to Q Magazine while in London in 1995. He wanted to release it independantly of Warners as an anti-firearms benefit single: "I said (to Warners), OK, listen, there are people shooting and killing each other in the 'hood, and I think I can do something about it, and put some money in, and maybe that would be more important than what's in your Billboard chart this week. They said no. They can't look beyond what's in Billboard."

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[This message was edited Mon Aug 9 7:39:47 2004 by scififilmnerd]
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Marco81 said:

ehy Boris where can I find this version of I Hate U u are talkin'about?


As Boris said, it isn't on boot yet. It is only... circulating! stab
So unless you know the right people, you can't. disbelief
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