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ELBOOGY said: MendesCity said: It's funny, I thought that turntables line in Musicology wasn't any kind of slam, rather, he's saying if it's good as Run DMC, then it's just as good as a live band..."take your pick." But I keep seeing articles that interpret it as some kind of dig.
That's the impression i got from the lyrics also. P likes hiphop but he does'nt like the negativity that is always pushed in the genre. Now he definitley don't like the sampling part of hiphop but some1 creative like Outkast and even as talented as Jam Master J he could appreciate.He even liked 2pac as a rapper. But there r a whole lot of old school artist like Cameo who don't like what's goin on in hiphop with the saturation of Gangsta rap! And P and Cameo r right, a funky ass live band will kick a turntables ass any time. And i think that P has inspired more hiphop artist 2 use live bands on performances and 2become record more musically diverse tracks. I think P has more of a problem with the explicit lyrics that run rampent on the radio with hiphop songs. If u think back P has only had maybe 4 singles out of his catalogue that is mildly risque'.The only song that was a hit and was hands down the nastiest song on radio at the time was Erotic City and that was a B-side that radio DJ's played on their own bcuz the song was a club hit! I agree ... I don't think the line in Musicology was a diss, and it's indisputable that P has inspired hiphop, indirectly. He's just using the names as references and links for the young folks IMO. The issue about music and being able to create new rhythms and chords with an instrument ...that side is easy to see, as hip hop begins to embrace the Roots more and more. As top producers add more and more original keyboard licks etc.. But another thing that has to be remembered here is that the way Prince flat-out "pimps" it on stage and on record. His style is a major reason many hip hop artists are able to vibe with him, even when they wanna sing along to Starfish & Coffee but feel its not 'cool'... they can talk about the part of Prince that they can freely connect with: the confidence, the swagger, the Badness. And I think that goes both ways a little. There are rappers that Prince gives props to, he just seems to want to challenge them to take it to new places and be more of the music in a way. Andre came from the heart and look at what happened, critical acclaim for taking the leap, commercial props for bringing new(old) sounds and melody into the mix. I wonder what he thinks of Mos Def and his "Black Jack Johnson" rock group... as for gangsta rap... to me its pretty much a thing of: if you build it, they will come. The industry knows it'll sell so they green-light the flood of gangsta imagery...which impacts youth by limiting in their minds who they can be, how they can represent. Hopefully Prince will recognize he has an opportunity to make a difference here, and use his base of friends like The Roots, Badu, Common, Andre &BigBoi, Puffy...to stimulate that kind of thinking. Of course, its gotta be done fast b/c once some of those folks get too old, the youth will move away from them (if they haven't started already).  [This message was edited Thu Jul 22 10:07:19 2004 by JumpUpOnThe1] ********************************************
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ELBOOGY said: The only new thing P could do that he has'nt already, is 2 do a country cd with a country rapper and a old school Lets go crazy guitar solo on it with a Lionel Ritchie remix.(Will y'all b happy then).....oh and i 4got 2add Mike Phillips Roger Troutman Zapp-coder solo.
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Evidently this person DID NOT do her homework. She says that P takes a swipe at MJ, singing "that's the other guy." We have already argued and confirmed that HE DOES NOT SAY THAT!!! I also don't know why she thinks P doesn't like hip-hop artists. That, too is nonsense. His frequent shout outs to Chuck D and Jam Master Jay. Others: Common and Mos Def. Also Missy and Doug E. "Dre" refers to Andre 3000, not Dr. Dre [in LOTP, he sings about the funk in Atlanta and "Dre" knowing "the funk."] | |
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laylow03 said: Evidently this person DID NOT do her homework. She says that P takes a swipe at MJ, singing "that's the other guy." We have already argued and confirmed that HE DOES NOT SAY THAT!!! I also don't know why she thinks P doesn't like hip-hop artists. That, too is nonsense. His frequent shout outs to Chuck D and Jam Master Jay. Others: Common and Mos Def. Also Missy and Doug E. "Dre" refers to Andre 3000, not Dr. Dre [in LOTP, he sings about the funk in Atlanta and "Dre" knowing "the funk."]
I was one of the ones insisting that he didn't say it, but a few days after that, I swear I heard it. It's really hard to hear, but I think it is there. As for Dre and Em, it does seem weird to mention them together, but actually mean Andre 3000 | |
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MendesCity said: laylow03 said: Evidently this person DID NOT do her homework. She says that P takes a swipe at MJ, singing "that's the other guy." We have already argued and confirmed that HE DOES NOT SAY THAT!!! I also don't know why she thinks P doesn't like hip-hop artists. That, too is nonsense. His frequent shout outs to Chuck D and Jam Master Jay. Others: Common and Mos Def. Also Missy and Doug E. "Dre" refers to Andre 3000, not Dr. Dre [in LOTP, he sings about the funk in Atlanta and "Dre" knowing "the funk."]
I was one of the ones insisting that he didn't say it, but a few days after that, I swear I heard it. It's really hard to hear, but I think it is there. As for Dre and Em, it does seem weird to mention them together, but actually mean Andre 3000 it's 'dre and 'nem, as in "'dre and them". for fuck's sake, there's a damned lyric sheet that comes with the retail cd...the reviewer must've totally just skimmed it.  | |
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