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PrintableSPRAKA said: I agree. The skip button is a great barometer on how you feel about an album as a whole. I brought this up before in a Batman thread and in defense of The Arms of Orion. The song doesn't work that well on its own, but in the framework of a soundtrack album from a movie based on a comic, it works beautifully. Batman is solid, but so is Musicology. Here is where we disagree. Like Batman, it's a CD that I never hit the skip button. It's easily that best album he has released in decade. I can understand you not diggin it....but hating it??? saying Call My Name is shit? I think this is why people give your posts such a strong reaction. Your posts are beyond negative, they a bit on the extreme side. Okay, but let's not pretend I'm the only one who's expressed "extreme" opinions. I've seen neagtive responses of all kinds towards these albums. And besides, just because my opinions may stand out more, that doesn't mean people have to freak out. I happen to think Musicology is extremely boring and empty. It's almost as if he's given up on great song writing. Either that, or this is really the best he has to offer. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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3NineteeN04 said: GREAT GREAT POST, SO GOOD EWM COULDN'T STAND TO READ THE WHOLE THING! TRUTH HURTS DON'T IT...LOL
    Gimmie a fuckin break. I didn't read the whole thing because it bored me and had nothing to do with the topic. By the way, here's a tissue for that brown on your nose.  "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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The positive posts about Musicology far out#'s the bad 1's about 3 to1 so whateva! U can't pleeze everybody but judging by the Magz& newspaper reviews it's a rout EWM in favor of the new cd! The majority of ORGER's like the cd so u loose! Stop makin an ASS of yourself! [This message was edited Sun Jul 4 10:22:26 2004 by ELBOOGY] U,ME,WE!....2FUNKY! | |
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Anxiety said: but jeeezus christ, man...isn't it just the law of physics that an artist with a long-term career and a large catalog of music is going to lose momentum during their latter days, especially if you hold their more recent material up against their breakthrough/"glory days" work?
look at zappa's "jazz from hell" album. it was a perfectly good record released in the mid/late '80s. put it up against "freak out" or "hot rats", and it's gonna sound kind of pathetic. look at bowie's "heathen" album. great songs on it, but put it up against "low" or "stationtostation" and you've got a relative dud on your hands. when was the last time paul mccartney kicked ANYone's ass with a new record? and santana...i mean, SHIT...come on...that whole "supernatural" thing was great, but come on. it was pop crap. i'm happy he could make a lot of money and be hot again by making pop crap, but it was what it was. is it fair to compare what an artist is doing now to what they were doing 20, 30, 40 years ago? should i base my expectations of you on what you were doing when you were half your age? "musicology" ain't "batman". no shit. but 1989 ended a few years back. Hey, I give Prince a lot of credit for all that he's accomplished. I can't think of anyone who's as prolific as he is. But if I think his album sucks, I'm gonna say so. I would much rather he disappear for a few years and come back with some amazing album, instead of just putting out bland crap every year. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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jpav said: Bravo!!! Thank you for injecting balance, insight, and sense into this thread; something never intended by the author...  Why are you still wasting your time on this thread? . [This message was edited Sun Jul 4 10:26:07 2004 by EvilWhiteMale] "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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zachypoo said:[quote]prodigalfan said:[quote] Raijuan said: 8,670 posts at Prince.org?
I have nothing against you at all EWM, but he owns your ass. 
 oh....snap. Word, that's mad funny, son. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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fauxnewbie said: EvilWhiteMale said: Because that's my opinion. Genius.
EWM: I fink it's a shit song. Handclapsfingasnapz: Why? EWM: Because that is wot i fink. You're a true comic genious. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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Anxiety said: but jeeezus christ, man...isn't it just the law of physics that an artist with a long-term career and a large catalog of music is going to lose momentum during their latter days, especially if you hold their more recent material up against their breakthrough/"glory days" work?
look at zappa's "jazz from hell" album. it was a perfectly good record released in the mid/late '80s. put it up against "freak out" or "hot rats", and it's gonna sound kind of pathetic. look at bowie's "heathen" album. great songs on it, but put it up against "low" or "stationtostation" and you've got a relative dud on your hands. when was the last time paul mccartney kicked ANYone's ass with a new record? and santana...i mean, SHIT...come on...that whole "supernatural" thing was great, but come on. it was pop crap. i'm happy he could make a lot of money and be hot again by making pop crap, but it was what it was. is it fair to compare what an artist is doing now to what they were doing 20, 30, 40 years ago? should i base my expectations of you on what you were doing when you were half your age? "musicology" ain't "batman". no shit. but 1989 ended a few years back. Well said. And sad to say that you can add Stevie Wonder to that list. The brother ran out of juice after Hotter Than July back in 1980 but he still turns out the occasional great tune. If anything, Prince has done better than most as he's still managed to release fairly solid albums from time to time since the quality of his work became more erratic post '87. word edit.  [This message was edited Sun Jul 4 10:42:22 2004 by Cloudbuster] | |
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ELBOOGY said: The positive posts about Musicology far out#'s the bad 1's about 3 to1 so whateva! U can't pleeze everybody but judging by the Magz& newspaper reviews it's a rout EWM in favor of the new cd! The majority of ORGER's like the cd so u loose! Stop makin an ASS of yourself!
What exactly do I lose? It's not a fucking competition. I just made an observation which happens to be correct. It's not my fault if people don't wanna accept the truth. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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Musicology is the BOMB. Im a Prince fan and whether I am biased or not, doesn't really matter. I think the CD is awesome and sounds like nothing else out there but... PRINCE. What more can you ask for? Having Pharrell or Dr. Dre (etc.) produce and write tracks for P ? ? ? Hell No. Prince is Prince, he has laid down his groundwork and is destined to do it all over again. Watch... the next CD is going to blow MF's away
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Keep in mind, I won't respond to anymore personal bullshit on this thread. If you wanna discuss the topic, then we'll discuss it. But if you feel the need to act like assholes, be brave enough to org note me with the shit instead of trying to win a popularity contest. If you feel so strongly about insulting me, then let's see if you can do it without an audience. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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EvilWhiteMale said: Keep in mind, I won't respond to anymore personal bullshit on this thread. If you wanna discuss the topic, then we'll discuss it. But if you feel the need to act like assholes, be brave enough to org note me with the shit instead of trying to win a popularity contest. If you feel so strongly about insulting me, then let's see if you can do it without an audience. If u talkin 'bout me partna i'm not tryin 2 insult u or win no damn popularity contest. U do a good job of insulting yourself. I discussed the topic with my own opinion that can b backed up by looking at the old reviews by ORGer's as well as Media reviews. Those r factual so i was tryin2 give u a perspective on your opinion which is this so called rise in negative reviews on the ORG which i see no significant proof of. Now if u gotta problem with me then ORG note me partna!U,ME,WE!....2FUNKY! | |
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ELBOOGY said: If u talkin 'bout me partna i'm not tryin 2 insult u or win no damn popularity contest. U do a good job of insulting yourself. I discussed the topic with my own opinion that can b backed up by looking at the old reviews by ORGer's as well as Media reviews. Those r factual so i was tryin2 give u a perspective on your opinion which is this so called rise in negative reviews on the ORG which i see no significant proof of. Now if u gotta problem with me then ORG note me partna!
I wasn't talking about you, partna. I was making a statement to everyone. Okay, partna? "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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EvilWhiteMale said: ELBOOGY said: If u talkin 'bout me partna i'm not tryin 2 insult u or win no damn popularity contest. U do a good job of insulting yourself. I discussed the topic with my own opinion that can b backed up by looking at the old reviews by ORGer's as well as Media reviews. Those r factual so i was tryin2 give u a perspective on your opinion which is this so called rise in negative reviews on the ORG which i see no significant proof of. Now if u gotta problem with me then ORG note me partna!
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ELBOOGY said: Ok lets do this. Lets say that u're 100% right. Every1 here on the ORG have changed thier minds....Musicology sucks!! Now what? What's your next point?
Your first mission is to find where I stated that "Every1" on the org has changed their minds about Musicology. Find me that, and we shall continue this debate. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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EvilWhiteMale said: ELBOOGY said: Ok lets do this. Lets say that u're 100% right. Every1 here on the ORG have changed thier minds....Musicology sucks!! Now what? What's your next point?
Your first mission is to find where I stated that "Every1" on the org has changed their minds about Musicology. Find me that, and we shall continue this debate. U,ME,WE!....2FUNKY! | |
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Two reasons:
I - People grow tired after really getting into the album. Often, overexposure leads to a negative stance. Also, after the initial glee of new material, one tends to listen more objectively --- often baring undiscovered weakness. Casus: 'Musicology' There is a tendency on the .org, as the topic describes, to review Musicology more critically after (quite) a few spins. It's the natural progression described above. People get to admit that Musicology will probably not be the album to stand the test of time. The qualification 'relevant' is entirely subject to debate, but over time, a lot of arguments can be obtained to justify such claim. In the short term, those arguments can be the intrinsic quality of the songs, a projection on the landscape that is the status quo of music, etcetera. Only in the long run, an album can be judged on its social, cultural, political, and musical significance. II - The amount of critical acclaim this album has received has attributed to a flood of interest in the artist and his most recent offering. The impact on the existing fanbase can't be underestimated, as a lot of hardcore fans tend to diminish the acclaimed work in the light of more obscurely favoured material. Casus: 'Musicology' versus 'The rainbow children' I have vented my personal opinion about the latest offering in this thread, which sums it up quite nicely. Instead, I would like to focus on its critical acclaim. I think that a lot of it stems from a subtle combination of the ongoing spotlight on the eighties --- and subsequently the backcatalogue that is showcased recently --- and the mainstream attitude of the album. The latter reaping the fruit of the former. I feel that a lot of people on the .org take its success for granted, in a way that this scenario is better than a complete fiasco. At the same time, they feel that the acclaim should have been aimed at 'The rainbow children', which is regarded as more coherent and musically, as well as spiritually richer. Aside from that, Musicology isn't exclusive, and there is not much to discover for anyone who has a vast knowledge of the past. It paves the way for an 'attitude' towards the album.  | |
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deMatthijs said: Two reasons:
I - People grow tired after really getting into the album. Often, overexposure leads to a negative stance. Also, after the initial glee of new material, one tends to listen more objectively --- often baring undiscovered weakness. Casus: 'Musicology' There is a tendency on the .org, as the topic describes, to review Musicology more critically after (quite) a few spins. It's the natural progression described above. People get to admit that Musicology will probably not be the album to stand the test of time. The qualification 'relevant' is entirely subject to debate, but over time, a lot of arguments can be obtained to justify such claim. In the short term, those arguments can be the intrinsic quality of the songs, a projection on the landscape that is the status quo of music, etcetera. Only in the long run, an album can be judged on its social, cultural, political, and musical significance. II - The amount of critical acclaim this album has received has attributed to a flood of interest in the artist and his most recent offering. The impact on the existing fanbase can't be underestimated, as a lot of hardcore fans tend to diminish the acclaimed work in the light of more obscurely favoured material. Casus: 'Musicology' versus 'The rainbow children' I have vented my personal opinion about the latest offering in this thread, which sums it up quite nicely. Instead, I would like to focus on its critical acclaim. I think that a lot of it stems from a subtle combination of the ongoing spotlight on the eighties --- and subsequently the backcatalogue that is showcased recently --- and the mainstream attitude of the album. The latter reaping the fruit of the former. I feel that a lot of people on the .org take its success for granted, in a way that this scenario is better than a complete fiasco. At the same time, they feel that the acclaim should have been aimed at 'The rainbow children', which is regarded as more coherent and musically, as well as spiritually richer. Aside from that, Musicology isn't exclusive, and there is not much to discover for anyone who has a vast knowledge of the past. It paves the way for an 'attitude' towards the album. Wow, that's deep. Interesting response though. I just find it funny how people change their minds that way. I own tons of music, but I can't really think of any album that I loved in the beginning but then grew to dislike it. Grown tired of it maybe, but not really disliking it. Who knows? Maybe in a way, everyone was posting positive reviews in the hopes that Prince would be reading their comments. But if that's the case, it would have been good for them to post less flattering opinions as well. Not that Prince would care, but it would be good for him to know that not everyone is diggin this shit. I feel TRC and Musicology are very forgettable albums. They will definitely not stand the test of time for most. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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EvilWhiteMale said: deMatthijs said: Two reasons:
I - People grow tired after really getting into the album. Often, overexposure leads to a negative stance. Also, after the initial glee of new material, one tends to listen more objectively --- often baring undiscovered weakness. Casus: 'Musicology' There is a tendency on the .org, as the topic describes, to review Musicology more critically after (quite) a few spins. It's the natural progression described above. People get to admit that Musicology will probably not be the album to stand the test of time. The qualification 'relevant' is entirely subject to debate, but over time, a lot of arguments can be obtained to justify such claim. In the short term, those arguments can be the intrinsic quality of the songs, a projection on the landscape that is the status quo of music, etcetera. Only in the long run, an album can be judged on its social, cultural, political, and musical significance. II - The amount of critical acclaim this album has received has attributed to a flood of interest in the artist and his most recent offering. The impact on the existing fanbase can't be underestimated, as a lot of hardcore fans tend to diminish the acclaimed work in the light of more obscurely favoured material. Casus: 'Musicology' versus 'The rainbow children' I have vented my personal opinion about the latest offering in this thread, which sums it up quite nicely. Instead, I would like to focus on its critical acclaim. I think that a lot of it stems from a subtle combination of the ongoing spotlight on the eighties --- and subsequently the backcatalogue that is showcased recently --- and the mainstream attitude of the album. The latter reaping the fruit of the former. I feel that a lot of people on the .org take its success for granted, in a way that this scenario is better than a complete fiasco. At the same time, they feel that the acclaim should have been aimed at 'The rainbow children', which is regarded as more coherent and musically, as well as spiritually richer. Aside from that, Musicology isn't exclusive, and there is not much to discover for anyone who has a vast knowledge of the past. It paves the way for an 'attitude' towards the album. Wow, that's deep. Interesting response though. I just find it funny how people change their minds that way. I own tons of music, but I can't really think of any album that I loved in the beginning but then grew to dislike it. Grown tired of it maybe, but not really disliking it. Who knows? Maybe in a way, everyone was posting positive reviews in the hopes that Prince would be reading their comments. But if that's the case, it would have been good for them to post less flattering opinions as well. Not that Prince would care, but it would be good for him to know that not everyone is diggin this shit. I feel TRC and Musicology are very forgettable albums. They will definitely not stand the test of time for most. I agree with you about "Musicology" - it's bland, boring, Prince by numbers. "TRC" actually works a lot better live. Thank God for bootlegs. [This message was edited Sun Jul 4 14:55:53 2004 by Shapeshifter] There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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Shapeshifter said: I agree with you about "Musicology" - it's bland, boring, Prince by numbers. "TRC" actually works a lot better live. Thank God for bootlegs. Are there even any good boots out these days? "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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EvilWhiteMale said: I feel TRC and Musicology are very forgettable albums. They will definitely not stand the test of time for most. The test of time? They stank then, they stink now, and they will always stank. Real masterpieces like "sign" & "purple rain" were dug by all, especially prince fans, these two stinkers are totally ignored by the masses, and a LOT (most) FANS like me, hate it to no end! And don't give me that shit of TRC being the most cohesive, and bullshit like that, it still stinks "Sign O the times" was given a lot of shit because it wasn't cohesive, (music critics at the time thought a cohesive album was important) Who gives a shit about cohesion as long as all the songs on that album were incredible, ON FIRST LISTEN! None of that, "i didn't like it till i made myself listen to it a thousand times" bullshit On musicianship, have the freaking L.A Philharmonic play TRC or Musicology and it will still be shit. musicianship has nothing to do with it. Have a highschool band play anything pre 88' Prince and it will still sound better than anything he has released since. | |
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homeandmantel said: The test of time? They stank then, they stink now, and they will always stank. Real masterpieces like "sign" & "purple rain" were dug by all, especially prince fans, these two stinkers are totally ignored by the masses, and a LOT (most) FANS like me, hate it to no end! And don't give me that shit of TRC being the most cohesive, and bullshit like that, it still stinks "Sign O the times" was given a lot of shit because it wasn't cohesive, (music critics at the time thought a cohesive album was important) Who gives a shit about cohesion as long as all the songs on that album were incredible, ON FIRST LISTEN! None of that, "i didn't like it till i made myself listen to it a thousand times" bullshit On musicianship, have the freaking L.A Philharmonic play TRC or Musicology and it will still be shit. musicianship has nothing to do with it. Have a highschool band play anything pre 88' Prince and it will still sound better than anything he has released since. I think he's done a bunch of good stuff since '88, but he hasn't had any fantastic albums. He's definitely falling deeper and deeper into the hole as far as music quality goes. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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EvilWhiteMale said: And yet again, the thread becomes about me instead of the topic. You guys are the real broken records.
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mrdespues said: EWM....
So, you probably creamed your jeans when you saw my thread on how I was getting bored of Musicology, huh. Is that what started this thread? Yes, the album isn't as staggering as his great 80s masterwerks, but come on man, you need to find something more worthwhile than getting a stiffy over the 2-month itch Musicology is getting. There's more to life, mate. You're missing the point,the kid doesn't HAVE a life. "Pam...that's just stupid." | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: renfield said: Alright then, let's take it back to your original post...I think everyone who loved Musicology posted about it when it was released over two and a half months ago. I think it's a good album, but there's no need for me to post threads about it at this point. I remember there being a sticky at the top of the board for people to post their opinions, so there wouldn't be a lot of useless, redundant threads. Perhaps someone should sticky a thread about NOT liking Musicology? As for people making so many threads about disliking The Rainbow Children and Lovesexy lately, well, that I can't really explain. Maybe a lot of it is newbies who've just re-discovered Prince and just heard these albums that most Prince fans gush over. Not getting into them, they wanna post about not liking them. Personally, I love Lovesexy and found TRC to be a hit-or-miss affair. But years after the fact I don't see a reason to post an opinion on them. But look at it like this EWM, there are also LOTS of threads lately about people liking Come, "Life O' The Party", Emancipation, Rave, etc. When people disagree with the general concensus, like "Come is crap, TRC is genius!", they post about it. I don't think a boom of threads about a certain thing changes anyone's mind. You and many other people hate Musicology. I and many others like it. Neither opinion is gonna change the other. Hell, Dansa doesn't like Purple Rain but to each their own. I don't get why anybody should get so worked up over an opinion. Whatever you think, I still think "If I Was The Man In Your Life" is amazing. And whatever I think, Dansa still thinks "Purple Rain" is over-rated. Big deal... All I'm saying is that when TRC and Musicology came out, there were only a few people posting about how they didn't like them. Like when Musicology came out, about 95% of the org reviews were positive. But lately a bunch of people are posting their dislike for it. Suddenly the album is boring, lame, and fluff. So all I'm saying is, where were these reviews when the album came out? Or with TRC. For a long time, there was almost nothing but praise for the album, but now I'm seeing whole threads about how the album sucks, and a lot of people agree now. This is the point I'm making, nothing else. The reason you took heat for it is cuz folks just don't like YOU.Make sense now?Or do i need to break it down further for ya? "Pam...that's just stupid." | |
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psykosoul said: EvilWhiteMale said: This thread has no reason to be about me. It's about other people's negative opinions of these albums. I threw a bit of myself in there because I was making the point that now I'm not the only one with these opinions.
There's no reason for this thread to get locked if people discuss the topic at hand. There was no reason to throw yourself in it if you wanted to discuss the albums. Let's look at it again shall we: And now ladies and ginnamen, the moment we've all been waiting for: THE BAIT What's really funny is how I was constantly attacked for being one of the few who kept posting negative opinions, but now the negative opinions are quite plentiful. I guess there's too many of us now cuz no ones getting lynched for feeling this way.
What is truly the topic at hand? I'll reiterate: 3 threads in the past 7 to 10 days hardly constitues an uproar of negativity. Why not just continue discussing the albums on those particular threads than starting a brand new one about yourself "Pam...that's just stupid." | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: psykosoul said: There was no reason to throw yourself in it if you wanted to discuss the albums. Let's look at it again shall we:
And now ladies and ginnamen, the moment we've all been waiting for: THE BAIT What is truly the topic at hand? I'll reiterate: 3 threads in the past 7 to 10 days hardly constitues an uproar of negativity. Why not just continue discussing the albums on those particular threads than starting a brand new one about yourself It's not just about the threads, it's about the many negative posts IN the threads. A lot of people are showing that they don't like these albums. They're expressing views that I have had all along, but since I was one of the few, I got labelled the "bad guy." If all of these opinions were out there back in the day, I probably wouldn't have that reputation. [flame snipped -Tom] "Pam...that's just stupid." | |
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