You know...I've seen a surge of new orgers and a surge of the same questions and the same topics lately. It's just due to the new onslaught of people on here expressing thier opinoins for the first time. It really has no bearing.

It doesn't make you any more right. And it doesn't make those of us who like these albums any more wrong. Just 2 different opinions.

This is a Prince Fan site. Most of us happen to like him and his music old and new. When you bash or are negative towards his new music in general...repeatedly, it gets a bit tired. WE GET IT ALREADY. You know I think we'd rather hear it when you like something as that would be interesting...to find out what you did like. It would be the same if a fammy fam who likes everything, suddenly didn't like something and talked about it. That would be interesting too. But to go on and on about the same ole stuff gets a bit boring.

It's not just about the threads, it's about the many negative posts IN the threads. A lot of people are showing that they don't like these albums. They're expressing views that I have had all along, but since I was one of the few, I got labelled the "bad guy." If all of these opinions were out there back in the day, I probably wouldn't have that reputation.

Again, I ask why not just respond to those threads instead of creating a new one? Doesn't really matter because 85+ replies later, I'm still contributing to this one and you're still missing my point I'm done. Your mission has been accomplished.

Seems like I've been saying what a lot more people are starting to say.

Oh, I'm sorry, someone must've been posting as you a couple of months ago during all the great reviews, stating how public opinion is irrelevant to the quality of an album, blah, blah, blah... Now you're proud to trumpet the "proposed" rise of bad reviews?...

So which is it my friend?... Does popular opinion matter or not? Guess in your book, popular sentiment for Prince means nothing, but if it aligns with you, THEN it holds merit...

Swiss cheese logic, but hey, we've come to expect it from ya!



Update: Since EWM ran from this post cause it hit home... Maybe someone else here could try to answer this for me.... Just how does he reconcile this?

People switch gears and make it personal because its human nature. Why do you think football fans such as my self get so heated when talking about our favorite teams. The some is true with music. Most people see their favorite team or in this case, favorite musician as a reflection of themselves. Thats why we attend games or concerts. Or buy uniforms or concert t-shirts. Basically, when you critique a team or musician it is often viewed as an attack on their own identity. So it is natural to respond defensively. We are all guilty of it.

I never said popular opinion mattered. I was simply making an observation about how the negative opinions are beginning to surface and become plentiful. I figured this would have been clear to everyone by now.

in all actuality, the negative opinions have always been around--dunno if you've been payin close enough attention in the past 6 months. and now that i've seen this thread, the feedback that folks are giving and your rebuttals to what people are sayin, this thread is pretty much like an "i told you so!"-type affair, and it shouldn't be because folks have been spoutin off their dislikes for the new stuff for the longest time. hell, even before musicology came out, folks were sayin that it was gonna suck based on hearin just the title track alone.

Yeah, but you must admit, it's more concentrated now.

What if I told you Marilyn Manson is talentless freak show. All makeup and no talent. 2nd in uselessness only to KISS. Successful only because has defies the norm. Kinda like you do here. His only great song is The Beautiful People. Does that offend you? If not, your one of the objective few.

EvilWhiteMale said:

not at all. it's pretty much been the same as it's ever been.

I enjoyed The Gold Experienece and Emancipation. Some of my favorite 90's songs are on them. But when I have to hit the skip button more than once, the album ceases to be great. Batman is an album I can listen to straight through without skipping. Sure, I'm not crazy about The Arms of Orion or Trust, but at least I can tollerate them. Batman was also his last consistent album. It stayed in one direction instead of going all over the place in future albums.

I think there have been plenty of consistent albums since Batman --

Chaos and Disorder
TRC
Even Musicology

By "consistent," I'm talking about albums that are unified by a certain sound/technique. Not about one's opinion of "good music" or "bad music."

Doozer said:

I probably should have been more clear. I mean consistantly good. That's my opinion of course. But Chaos and Disorder? That crap is all over the place. I Rock Therefore I am says it all.

I enjoyed The Gold Experienece and Emancipation. Some of my favorite 90's songs are on them. But when I have to hit the skip button more than once, the album ceases to be great. Batman is an album I can listen to straight through without skipping. Sure, I'm not crazy about The Arms of Orion or Trust, but at least I can tollerate them. Batman was also his last consistent album. It stayed in one direction instead of going all over the place in future albums.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Oh, I'm sorry, someone must've been posting as you a couple of months ago during all the great reviews, stating how public opinion is irrelevant to the quality of an album, blah, blah, blah... Now you're proud to trumpet the "proposed" rise of bad reviews?...

So which is it my friend?... Does popular opinion matter or not? Guess in your book, popular sentiment for Prince means nothing, but if it aligns with you, THEN it holds merit...

Swiss cheese logic, but hey, we've come to expect it from ya!

Poor, poor EWM...2004 has been SO very hard on you... You need a good twelve step program...


EVM: "Hi, my name's EvilWhiteMale, and I'm a frustrated hater..."

Group:"Hi EvilWhiteMale..."

EWM: "You see, I REALLY wanted Musicology to flop...and, and, I desperately hoped the tour would sink... I was SO sure it would... I made so really clever posts... I guaranteed disaster..and, and...then the album sales, the top grossing tour... the video airplay, the publicity... It just makes me so mad!"

Group: "But, if it bothers you so much, why do you stay on the ORG? Why do you obsess over something you hate so much?"

EWM: "Oh I don't know... I guess I figure, if I stick at it long enough, and keep up the negativity, and spew consistently... sooner or later, Prince is bound to slip up again, and I'll be right... THEN I can feel important again, like in the NPS days, and then I can post all these "I told you so" posts I wrote last winter, that I've been sitting on!"

Moderator: "I think we better break here.. Most of us have to go to night three of Prince's five night sell out!"

EWM: (pouting in a corner)"No, no, no, it's just not FAIR!!!...(hmm... maybe I can post something negative about one of Prince's roadie's t-shirts...yeah, that's a new angle...)

To be continued...

but jeeezus christ, man...isn't it just the law of physics that an artist with a long-term career and a large catalog of music is going to lose momentum during their latter days, especially if you hold their more recent material up against their breakthrough/"glory days" work?

look at zappa's "jazz from hell" album. it was a perfectly good record released in the mid/late '80s. put it up against "freak out" or "hot rats", and it's gonna sound kind of pathetic.

look at bowie's "heathen" album. great songs on it, but put it up against "low" or "stationtostation" and you've got a relative dud on your hands.

when was the last time paul mccartney kicked ANYone's ass with a new record?

and santana...i mean, SHIT...come on...that whole "supernatural" thing was great, but come on. it was pop crap. i'm happy he could make a lot of money and be hot again by making pop crap, but it was what it was.

is it fair to compare what an artist is doing now to what they were doing 20, 30, 40 years ago? should i base my expectations of you on what you were doing when you were half your age?

"musicology" ain't "batman". no shit. but 1989 ended a few years back.

You're so ahead of your time. How do you do it?

Can I not make an observation?

Anxiety said:

Can I not make an observation?

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Because that's my opinion.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Genius.

EWM: I fink it's a shit song.

Handclapsfingasnapz: Why?

EWM: Because that is wot i fink.

What a bunch of hyppocrites.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Damn, those typos again? A cynic might say you just can't spell, son.

jpav said:

EvilWhiteMale said:

Here's the thing EWM, the author of this thread has 62 posts to his/her name and has been registered since June 2002. He/She started the thread and never returned to really defend his/her position. In this thread the author disapproves of TRC as a whole, yet names the tracks he enjoys. This thread, the author is not negatively reviewing Musicology, he's just ready for the next album. In searching the past 10 pages within the last 7 days, I don't think 3 threads constitutes negativity rising on the org.

However, most of the negative reviews by others aren't written on some "look at me" stance. Case in point; look at this thread. Now that some people agree with ME why can't I express MY opinion without backlash.

Your "reviews" consist of the following: "It's shit" , "It sucks dick", "pure trash" and come across as thinly veiled attempts at "fam"-baiting than constructive criticism. Which is a shame because you appear to be a highly intelligent individual. However whenever someone is truly trying to extract a debate from you in an intelligent manner, you begin to twist words and attempt to make the other person appear like they are obsessed with your opinion and "stalking" you.

Despite what Prince releases and how we all feel about them, it's like Dansa said Prince has got us all "whipped" for different reasons. But there's no need to pretend like he no longer captures your interest.
[This message was edited Sat Jul 3 9:05:17 2004 by psykosoul]