EvilWhiteMale said:

Alright then, let's take it back to your original post...I think everyone who loved Musicology posted about it when it was released over two and a half months ago. I think it's a good album, but there's no need for me to post threads about it at this point. I remember there being a sticky at the top of the board for people to post their opinions, so there wouldn't be a lot of useless, redundant threads. Perhaps someone should sticky a thread about NOT liking Musicology? As for people making so many threads about disliking The Rainbow Children and Lovesexy lately, well, that I can't really explain. Maybe a lot of it is newbies who've just re-discovered Prince and just heard these albums that most Prince fans gush over. Not getting into them, they wanna post about not liking them. Personally, I love Lovesexy and found TRC to be a hit-or-miss affair. But years after the fact I don't see a reason to post an opinion on them.

But look at it like this EWM, there are also LOTS of threads lately about people liking Come, "Life O' The Party", Emancipation, Rave, etc. When people disagree with the general concensus, like "Come is crap, TRC is genius!", they post about it. I don't think a boom of threads about a certain thing changes anyone's mind. You and many other people hate Musicology. I and many others like it. Neither opinion is gonna change the other. Hell, Dansa doesn't like Purple Rain but to each their own. I don't get why anybody should get so worked up over an opinion. Whatever you think, I still think "If I Was The Man In Your Life" is amazing. And whatever I think, Dansa still thinks "Purple Rain" is over-rated. Big deal...
[This message was edited Sat Jul 3 8:15:04 2004 by renfield]

paisleypark4 said:

not quite. i wouldn't liken buying one's art to welfare.

paisleypark4 said:

I totally agree with you. But it kind of goes both ways. Most of us will buy anything with Prince's name on it. We did definitely "make" him and he owes his success to his fans but once he gets his hooks in you he does sorta "own" you.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Seems like you are having a rough time with this thread. Well for what it is worth I love Musicology. I think it's his best since Emancipation. But I also think much of what he's done since Emancipation is below what he is capable of. But Musicology is definitely a big step in the right direction. Hopefully he can build on it's success. As far as the Rainbow Children goes...I don't really like it. I love the last four songs but other than that I think the idea was much better than the execution. I also think a lot of people dig it because it was such a personal album for Prince and not necessarily because they love the music. I think he could have made a much more focused album. The pieces were there but he messed up putting them together.

I do have to ask you one question. You really think Batman was his last great album? What about the Gold Experience and Emancipation? Just my opinion but I love those two albums.

renfield said:

All I'm saying is that when TRC and Musicology came out, there were only a few people posting about how they didn't like them. Like when Musicology came out, about 95% of the org reviews were positive. But lately a bunch of people are posting their dislike for it. Suddenly the album is boring, lame, and fluff. So all I'm saying is, where were these reviews when the album came out? Or with TRC. For a long time, there was almost nothing but praise for the album, but now I'm seeing whole threads about how the album sucks, and a lot of people agree now.

This is the point I'm making, nothing else.

rialb said:

I enjoyed The Gold Experienece and Emancipation. Some of my favorite 90's songs are on them. But when I have to hit the skip button more than once, the album ceases to be great. Batman is an album I can listen to straight through without skipping. Sure, I'm not crazy about The Arms of Orion or Trust, but at least I can tollerate them. Batman was also his last consistent album. It stayed in one direction instead of going all over the place in future albums.

Anxiety said:

You are killing me today. Cracked my ass up.

EvilWhiteMale said:

I don't know...maybe people were afraid to post an opinion that didn't match what everyone else is saying? And now that all the gushing is out of the way they feel safe? Like I said, it seems to be working in reverse lately too. Not that the Org was around in 1994, but I imagine people who liked Come would've been afraid to say they liked it in the face of all that criticism. But now more and more people are posting threads like "Pheromone is under-rated," etc. When you disagree with the masses you're expected to defend your opinion. And that's something you can't do, because your opinion is only based on your own tastes. I couldn't factually explain to you why I like Musicology. I could break down the songwriting and production but that wouldn't really tell you why I just flat-out like it. The same way you could tell me what you find lack-luster and underwhelming about it but I still won't really get why it doesn't do anything for you. But we both agree Batman was pretty sweet...

EvilWhiteMale said:

Here's the thing EWM, the author of this thread has 62 posts to his/her name and has been registered since June 2002. He/She started the thread and never returned to really defend his/her position. In this thread the author disapproves of TRC as a whole, yet names the tracks he enjoys. This thread, the author is not negatively reviewing Musicology, he's just ready for the next album. In searching the past 10 pages within the last 7 days, I don't think 3 threads constitutes negativity rising on the org.

However, most of the negative reviews by others aren't written on some "look at me" stance. Case in point; look at this thread. Now that some people agree with ME why can't I express MY opinion without backlash.

Your "reviews" consist of the following: "It's shit" , "It sucks dick", "pure trash" and come across as thinly veiled attempts at "fam"-baiting than constructive criticism. Which is a shame because you appear to be a highly intelligent individual. However whenever someone is truly trying to extract a debate from you in an intelligent manner, you begin to twist words and attempt to make the other person appear like they are obsessed with your opinion and "stalking" you.

Despite what Prince releases and how we all feel about them, it's like Dansa said Prince has got us all "whipped" for different reasons. But there's no need to pretend like he no longer captures your interest.
[This message was edited Sat Jul 3 9:05:17 2004 by psykosoul]

renfield said:

I would hate to think people were too "afraid" to post their true opinions. That's kinda sad.

psykosoul said:

EvilWhiteMale said:[quote]

psykosoul said:

But honestly, you know you have a reputation here. Don't you think we all know your stance on Prince's output post Batman? As much as someone else doesn't have to make a thread turn into a thread about you, you can also prevent it from becoming one. And you are being mighty technical about opinions and explanations. (Whether it's this forum or Politics & Religion) Opinions vary, but they don't mean shit without substance. Everyone knows how EWM feels before he even prepares his fingers to type it. So don't you think your responses would be a little more credible and wouldn't appear so baiting if you explained yourself a little more thoroughly than "It sucks dicks, because it just does" You explain your theories in the Politics and Religion forum (although you have a tendency to cry "stalker" when someone makes you contradict yourself), why can't you do it in this forum? You'd be less likely recognized as a "hater" and "troll".



Real comeback? Man, this comeback doesn't get any better for Prince. The man went into obscurity 10 years ago and is now one of the top 5 performers to see this summer. With the help of a sly business tactic, his album has been in the top 10 for weeks. I understand that the comeback didn't surface with the music of your preference (mine either) but I think you have to accept it for what it's worth.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Maybe it's becuz no one likes you, or cares to hear your consistently negative gibberish...

So...you can be quiet now.

Thanks.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Batman??? now all your BS makes sense

EvilWhiteMale said:

I will only speak for myself, but...with ANY new album by my "favorite" artists, I'm initially VERY excited. When people ask my opinion after a new P release, I typically rave about it but always qualify imy opinion by saying "ask me again in a few months." After the intital excitement on an album begins to wane, I then find what my lasting opinion of an album will be.

As for my thoughts on Musicology...I haven't tired of it yet. I throw it in on an almost daily basis. BUT, it does have a few tracks I skip through regularly. IMO, not Prince's BEST work but I think it was a great, easily-digestible album to get out in an attempt to raise interest in him again.

psykosoul said:

TheBluePrince said:

Then stop wasting your time with me. Feel free to put me on "IGNORE."

JAMIESTARR said:

Why? The majority of people here like that. And I'm not the only one with the same opinions of it.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Bank account?

Well, it doesn't help empathize your cause when you've managed to create a thread about yourself and not the negativity towards Prince albums. Why isn't this thread locked again?

endorphin74 said:

Thanks for being one of the FEW to actually stick to the topic of the thread.

I tend to be different when it comes to music. It may take me a little while to get used to it, but I usually know right off the bat if it has that potential to grow. If I like an album a lot, I may get tired of hearing it for a while, but I'll still like it.

I felt TRC and Musicology were crap from the start. I gave them a few listens, and even played A Million Days and Cinnamon Girl a few times, but I couldn't take anymore after a while. They're simply lousy albums. I posted my feelings right away, and those feelings haven't changed.

psykosoul said:

This thread has no reason to be about me. It's about other people's negative opinions of these albums. I threw a bit of myself in there because I was making the point that now I'm not the only one with these opinions.

There's no reason for this thread to get locked if people discuss the topic at hand.

Outside of a couple tracks, Batman is an album of mediocre b-side songs...

Anxiety said:

not even to my second cup of coffee yet!

superspaceboy said:

Wow, it's really that funny?

Alright EWM, Ill try to give you the answer that I hope you really wanted. Unlike yourself, most Prince fans are very reluctant to respond negatively to any album or song in fear of being seen as a non "diehard" or "true" fan. I think that the blinders have finally come off. Just because someone is a diehard fan doesnt mean that you must view every album as a masterpiece. I think TRC is by leaps and bounds the weakest album Prince has ever released. That doesnt make me a new found hater or negative. Just honest. That simply means TRC is not a high quality Prince album in my opinion. I will spin it every month or so in order to find an appreciation that some others have.

I dont necessarily think you are here to provoke everyone, but I see the fun in poking at people who will always respond. Like hitting the helpless fat kid in dodgeball. Im am the biggest fan that I know. He could release an album of burps and farts and I would get it the day it streets. (obvious exaggeration) That being said, without honest people and even sometimes provokers this would be a dull org. Keep doing your best (or worst in some peoples opinions) to keep others ontheir toes.

Batman is outstanding. VIcki Waiting is primo.
IMO TGE and o+> are the only albums that were more innovative and pleasing to the ear in the past 15 years. Before anyone responds, I know that TRC was innovative. Just not that sound, musically.

Respond accordingly

EvilWhiteMale said:

There was no reason to throw yourself in it if you wanted to discuss the albums. Let's look at it again shall we:

EvilWhiteMale said:

Here comes the tipping point:



And now ladies and ginnamen, the moment we've all been waiting for: THE BAIT



What is truly the topic at hand?

I'll reiterate: 3 threads in the past 7 to 10 days hardly constitues an uproar of negativity. Why not just continue discussing the albums on those particular threads than starting a brand new one about yourself

EvilWhiteMale said:

You know...I've seen a surge of new orgers and a surge of the same questions and the same topics lately. It's just due to the new onslaught of people on here expressing thier opinoins for the first time. It really has no bearing.

It doesn't make you any more right. And it doesn't make those of us who like these albums any more wrong. Just 2 different opinions.

This is a Prince Fan site. Most of us happen to like him and his music old and new. When you bash or are negative towards his new music in general...repeatedly, it gets a bit tired. WE GET IT ALREADY. You know I think we'd rather hear it when you like something as that would be interesting...to find out what you did like. It would be the same if a fammy fam who likes everything, suddenly didn't like something and talked about it. That would be interesting too. But to go on and on about the same ole stuff gets a bit boring.

DarkKnight1 said:

I agree with you.

I just find it silly to switch gears on a thread and make it about the author and not his point. If I get tired of the way a person posts, I simply ignore them instead of constantly attacking. And I have put a bunch of people on "Ignore" so as not to give them the time of day.

I just find it funny how people would hold back their true feelings about these albums just because they don't wanna go against the grain. There's no reason to hold back.

psykosoul said:

It's not just about the threads, it's about the many negative posts IN the threads. A lot of people are showing that they don't like these albums. They're expressing views that I have had all along, but since I was one of the few, I got labelled the "bad guy." If all of these opinions were out there back in the day, I probably wouldn't have that reputation.

EvilWhiteMale said:

it was a scream!