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KingSausage said: ...It just means that neither one of us is realistically going to change the other's mind, and a pissing contest between us is now the focus of this discussion. I'm sure you can agree to that. Hooray... WE FINALLY AGREE.!  [This message was edited Mon Dec 15 8:39:04 PST 2003 by FutureShock] "You've got to believe in something... why not believe in me?" | |
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bkw said: FutureShock said: KingSausage said: FutureShock said: Here is the question that you didn't bother to read... no excuses this time please.: My point is whether bad, good, essential unessential WHATEVER... the point is "essential" to who??? You say, "the music world in 2003". Who EXACTLY is the music world in 2003? What is your definition of that? I haven't offered any excuses yet, numbnuts. The music world in 2003 would include everyone who purchases music, downloads music, listens to the radio, reviews CDs, etc. With NEWS, you have a once popular, once innovative pop star who now has a TINY, ever-dwindling fan base of cult-mentality fanatics...the album can't be found in stores...most people don't even know of its existence...if they do come across it, they'll find that it's a pompous collection of "lite jazz" elevator music that's bound to put them to sleep, yet declares on its (sub-Photoshop quality) packaging that it's a "new direction in music." That's a pretty fucking sad situation. The riches to rags story here is what makes it inessential. What makes it all so funny is the pathetic desperation with which sorry shits like you need to defend Prince. You say that you don't care if people don't like NEWS. Then why do you care if The Onion declares it Least Essential album of 2003? It doesn't add up. So in your limited point of view, it all comes down to whether or not NEWS is popular? In reality, I don't care what you or the Onion thinks. In all honesty, at this point, I just like irking your nerves because you seem to be wound up pretty tight. I really do think you need a hug or a shrink or something...I mean really, a CD doesn't cause normal people to get as upset as you are... something is definitely wrong. And by the way, did you do a scientific study of everyone who purchased music in 2003 to come to your conclusions? Don't worry, I have no desire to hug you. My point was that you are obviously in NEED of SOMETHING positive and loving in your life if a single CD can draw out the type of negativity that you display.
I have plenty of positivity in my life, buddy. Plenty of it. I'm recently married, working hard and successfully at graduate school, and having fun with whatever I do every day. Perhaps it's my positivity that allows me to have a sense of humor, and not get my fucking panties in a bunch when a humor mag says that NEWS sucks ass. Maybe YOU need a hug??? You call the way you're responding a sense of humor???I think you're going to bust a vessle any moment now. So before that happens, I want you to ask yourself "is NEWS worth it?" My argument in support of NEWS does not rest HEAVILY on its Grammy Nomination. I listed several reasons in addition to the Grammy Nomination. But on a personal note, I couldn't care less if NEWS were nominated for a Grammy. I've always loved NEWS regardless of whether or not it was nominated or liked by anyone else - including you. Furthermore, I'm not trying to "validate" NEWS. NEWS needs no validation - it is what it is.
BULLSHIT. You hypocrite. If you don't care if NEWS was nominated for a Grammy, it wouldn't be part of your defense. You're full of it. The Grammy Nomination point was only a part of my argument because it displays the FACT that others besides myself (being a Prince fan) obviously think that NEWS is a noteworthy album. You on the other hand seem to want to ignore this basic fact. Now whether or not I CARE if NEWS was nominated or not is totally seperate issue. Can't you see that? Or has your anger clouded what little bit of judgement you have? You say that you love TRC because it is"innovative" and "weird" "the way Prince is supposed to be". First of all, your presupposition of what Prince SHOULD or SHOULD NOT be is exactly why you will never be able to appreciate anything like NEWS. You are ESSENTIALLY saying that you already know or have in your mind the kind of music that Prince should create, and anything that falls outside of your narrow-minded view of him is unnaceptable. Again, NEWS is what it is. But I suppose then, that you found NOTHING abosultely nothing "weird" or innovative about NEWS? I ask seeing as how those are the two words you used to describe your new found professed love of TRC.
[qoute] Maybe you need to broaden your music listening experience, amigo. Because there's not a fucking THING that's innovative or weird on NEWS. Not one bit. Listen to Miles, Coltrane, Jarrett, etc. Hell, go listen to Madhouse! Even Prince has done this shit before! Maybe I do have some preconceived notions of what I expect of Prince. But I stand by those notions if expanding my definitions would mean to accept Prince putting out bullshit lite jazz. If I wanted Kenny G., I'd buy Kenny G. Sorry if I have high expectations of Prince. But guess what -- HE set those expectations. Not with Lovesexy. Or TGE. But with TRC. Less than two years before NEWS. Wait...are you going to tell me now that you've never disliked a Prince song or album? If so, then you're even more full of reeking shit than I thought. Since when did you and I become "amigos" and buddies??? But anyway...I suppose you hear stuff like "East" all the time huh? So tell me, what artist does East most remind you of? And are you suggesting that unless an artist creates something totally new under the sun, it cannot be "essential"? Can we stop the "essential" charade by the way? You no good and well that what this all boils down to is the simple fact that YOU (personally) don't like NEWS. You stuck your foot in your mouth, and The Onion article gave you a sense of vendication in the wake of the Grammy Nomination. I understand. You on the other hand seem to be very upset that people actually like NEWS. You keep saying that its not about "liking or disliking" NEWS, its about whether or not the CD is "essential". But then you keep coming back to the same tired and meaningless point that you personally hate NEWS. Then when someone starts talking about liking it, you turn around and say it's not about that. You're running in circles. If it's not about liking or disliking the cd, then why do you keep talking about hating it so much?
Quite the contrary, my dimwitted friend. This thread was never about my personal feelings regarding NEWS, and my efforts to get it back on track attest to that. I only say I think NEWS sucks when some dumbfuck (perhaps relatives of yours) starts talking about what I think again, rather than deal with the fact that The Onion's award to NEWS shed some "scary" truth on Prince's sad career. Just look at your own post here, bungwipe...YOU once again brought up my feelings for NEWS. YOU did. I keep saying it's about what The Onion thinks. But Prince Yesmen like yourself can't fit that into your lameass trope, and have to bring it back to what I think, and attack me personally. Again, who fucking cares what I think?!?!?!?! This isn't about me. If you can't grasp that, then fuck off and refrain from replying. If you can get that fact through your goddamn skull, then stop talking about me and my tastes, and show us all how this pathetic CD can possibly be considered essential to ANYONE but the small collection of hardcore fanatics that Prince has left. Are you big enough for this challenge? If not, then have a nice day! There you go talking about being friends again. Hmmm... "this thread was never about your personal feelings regarding NEWS". Yet for some strange reason, you felt it was your duty to tell everyone what you personally think about NEWS? Interesting. But in anycase, I've already answered your question... the challenge has already been met, you simply don't like the answer that I gave. Unlike you though, I did not and will not try to speak for EVERYONE in the WORLD who purchases music. Futureshock, you're not very good at this are you? Oh heaven's sake, nobody even called your name "bkw". Are feeling left out or something? Do you need a hug too? "You've got to believe in something... why not believe in me?" | |
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FutureShock said: bkw said: FutureShock said: KingSausage said: FutureShock said: Here is the question that you didn't bother to read... no excuses this time please.: My point is whether bad, good, essential unessential WHATEVER... the point is "essential" to who??? You say, "the music world in 2003". Who EXACTLY is the music world in 2003? What is your definition of that? I haven't offered any excuses yet, numbnuts. The music world in 2003 would include everyone who purchases music, downloads music, listens to the radio, reviews CDs, etc. With NEWS, you have a once popular, once innovative pop star who now has a TINY, ever-dwindling fan base of cult-mentality fanatics...the album can't be found in stores...most people don't even know of its existence...if they do come across it, they'll find that it's a pompous collection of "lite jazz" elevator music that's bound to put them to sleep, yet declares on its (sub-Photoshop quality) packaging that it's a "new direction in music." That's a pretty fucking sad situation. The riches to rags story here is what makes it inessential. What makes it all so funny is the pathetic desperation with which sorry shits like you need to defend Prince. You say that you don't care if people don't like NEWS. Then why do you care if The Onion declares it Least Essential album of 2003? It doesn't add up. So in your limited point of view, it all comes down to whether or not NEWS is popular? In reality, I don't care what you or the Onion thinks. In all honesty, at this point, I just like irking your nerves because you seem to be wound up pretty tight. I really do think you need a hug or a shrink or something...I mean really, a CD doesn't cause normal people to get as upset as you are... something is definitely wrong. And by the way, did you do a scientific study of everyone who purchased music in 2003 to come to your conclusions? Don't worry, I have no desire to hug you. My point was that you are obviously in NEED of SOMETHING positive and loving in your life if a single CD can draw out the type of negativity that you display.
I have plenty of positivity in my life, buddy. Plenty of it. I'm recently married, working hard and successfully at graduate school, and having fun with whatever I do every day. Perhaps it's my positivity that allows me to have a sense of humor, and not get my fucking panties in a bunch when a humor mag says that NEWS sucks ass. Maybe YOU need a hug??? You call the way you're responding a sense of humor???I think you're going to bust a vessle any moment now. So before that happens, I want you to ask yourself "is NEWS worth it?" My argument in support of NEWS does not rest HEAVILY on its Grammy Nomination. I listed several reasons in addition to the Grammy Nomination. But on a personal note, I couldn't care less if NEWS were nominated for a Grammy. I've always loved NEWS regardless of whether or not it was nominated or liked by anyone else - including you. Furthermore, I'm not trying to "validate" NEWS. NEWS needs no validation - it is what it is.
BULLSHIT. You hypocrite. If you don't care if NEWS was nominated for a Grammy, it wouldn't be part of your defense. You're full of it. The Grammy Nomination point was only a part of my argument because it displays the FACT that others besides myself (being a Prince fan) obviously think that NEWS is a noteworthy album. You on the other hand seem to want to ignore this basic fact. Now whether or not I CARE if NEWS was nominated or not is totally seperate issue. Can't you see that? Or has your anger clouded what little bit of judgement you have? You say that you love TRC because it is"innovative" and "weird" "the way Prince is supposed to be". First of all, your presupposition of what Prince SHOULD or SHOULD NOT be is exactly why you will never be able to appreciate anything like NEWS. You are ESSENTIALLY saying that you already know or have in your mind the kind of music that Prince should create, and anything that falls outside of your narrow-minded view of him is unnaceptable. Again, NEWS is what it is. But I suppose then, that you found NOTHING abosultely nothing "weird" or innovative about NEWS? I ask seeing as how those are the two words you used to describe your new found professed love of TRC.
[qoute] Maybe you need to broaden your music listening experience, amigo. Because there's not a fucking THING that's innovative or weird on NEWS. Not one bit. Listen to Miles, Coltrane, Jarrett, etc. Hell, go listen to Madhouse! Even Prince has done this shit before! Maybe I do have some preconceived notions of what I expect of Prince. But I stand by those notions if expanding my definitions would mean to accept Prince putting out bullshit lite jazz. If I wanted Kenny G., I'd buy Kenny G. Sorry if I have high expectations of Prince. But guess what -- HE set those expectations. Not with Lovesexy. Or TGE. But with TRC. Less than two years before NEWS. Wait...are you going to tell me now that you've never disliked a Prince song or album? If so, then you're even more full of reeking shit than I thought. Since when did you and I become "amigos" and buddies??? But anyway...I suppose you hear stuff like "East" all the time huh? So tell me, what artist does East most remind you of? And are you suggesting that unless an artist creates something totally new under the sun, it cannot be "essential"? Can we stop the "essential" charade by the way? You no good and well that what this all boils down to is the simple fact that YOU (personally) don't like NEWS. You stuck your foot in your mouth, and The Onion article gave you a sense of vendication in the wake of the Grammy Nomination. I understand. You on the other hand seem to be very upset that people actually like NEWS. You keep saying that its not about "liking or disliking" NEWS, its about whether or not the CD is "essential". But then you keep coming back to the same tired and meaningless point that you personally hate NEWS. Then when someone starts talking about liking it, you turn around and say it's not about that. You're running in circles. If it's not about liking or disliking the cd, then why do you keep talking about hating it so much?
Quite the contrary, my dimwitted friend. This thread was never about my personal feelings regarding NEWS, and my efforts to get it back on track attest to that. I only say I think NEWS sucks when some dumbfuck (perhaps relatives of yours) starts talking about what I think again, rather than deal with the fact that The Onion's award to NEWS shed some "scary" truth on Prince's sad career. Just look at your own post here, bungwipe...YOU once again brought up my feelings for NEWS. YOU did. I keep saying it's about what The Onion thinks. But Prince Yesmen like yourself can't fit that into your lameass trope, and have to bring it back to what I think, and attack me personally. Again, who fucking cares what I think?!?!?!?! This isn't about me. If you can't grasp that, then fuck off and refrain from replying. If you can get that fact through your goddamn skull, then stop talking about me and my tastes, and show us all how this pathetic CD can possibly be considered essential to ANYONE but the small collection of hardcore fanatics that Prince has left. Are you big enough for this challenge? If not, then have a nice day! There you go talking about being friends again. Hmmm... "this thread was never about your personal feelings regarding NEWS". Yet for some strange reason, you felt it was your duty to tell everyone what you personally think about NEWS? Interesting. But in anycase, I've already answered your question... the challenge has already been met, you simply don't like the answer that I gave. Unlike you though, I did not and will not try to speak for EVERYONE in the WORLD who purchases music. Futureshock, you're not very good at this are you? Oh heaven's sake, nobody even called your name "bkw". Are feeling left out or something? Do you need a hug too? And to think I thought this was a public message board. Go figure... 
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I don't think that Prince has to prove anything to anyone. I say this because when Purple Rain came out It was the joint that all 18 to 30 year olds had to have, justifiably so,but all or most of the old heads or religious freaks hated it because of its heavy beats and verbal content.Now 20 years later when Prince puts out a CD with no swearing or heavy beats the tables completelt turn in the other direction. Basically what I'm saying is that no matter what Prince or any other artist for that matter puts out there are going to be people that like it and there are going to be people that dont like it no matter how good or bad other people think it is. This particular topic really made for good conversation between everyone. There were some great points made. | |
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Bull said: This particular topic really made for good conversation between everyone. There were some great points made.
- I agree...it´s so good when people here make more than 100 comments about his music. I like this kind of thread |
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JediMaster said: Its amazing to me how this article is creating such strong reactions in people. Y'see folks, this is The Onion, a comedy publication. To take it seriously, whether positive or negative, is a bit silly. Hello!!! Thank You, JediMaster. This thread has been very entertaining though. | |
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Cloudbuster said: KingSausage said: Not to be grouchy at you, but please never mention NEWS and "On the Corner" together again. Anyone with EARS can hear the difference. One overflows with life. The other makes me feel like I'm being sodomized by an icicle-wielding clown inside a burning elevator. NEWS happens to be the latter.
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stymie said: Cloudbuster said: KingSausage said: Not to be grouchy at you, but please never mention NEWS and "On the Corner" together again. Anyone with EARS can hear the difference. One overflows with life. The other makes me feel like I'm being sodomized by an icicle-wielding clown inside a burning elevator. NEWS happens to be the latter.
LMAO! Sure, as long as there are proper credits!  "Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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KingSausage said: stymie said: Cloudbuster said: KingSausage said: Not to be grouchy at you, but please never mention NEWS and "On the Corner" together again. Anyone with EARS can hear the difference. One overflows with life. The other makes me feel like I'm being sodomized by an icicle-wielding clown inside a burning elevator. NEWS happens to be the latter.
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TipN4U said: KingSausage said: LEAST ESSENTIAL ALBUM OF 2003
Prince - N.E.W.S. There was a time when Prince's every eccentric move was extensively documented, from his name changes to label battles that culminated in him scrawling the word "SLAVE" on his face to document the harrowing plight of internationally beloved multimillionaire pop superstars. Now, he's been reduced to a puzzling obscurity, as he self-releases a string of increasingly indulgent vanity projects to a tiny circle of loyalists. (Today, it's easier to find any of The String Cheese Incident's dozens of live albums than it is to track down a new studio album by Prince.) Remember when The Artist's "emancipation" from his record label meant fans would finally have the chance to crack open his mythical vault—which many assumed would contain 15 or 20 long-suppressed equivalents of Sign O' The Times or The Black Album? Instead, in 2003, they have the chance to almost unanimously ignore N.E.W.S., which contains four dull, 14-minute jazz-funk instrumental odysseys: "North," "East," "West," and "South." N.E.W.S., get it? The result is uncompromising, to be sure, but rarely has a once-great musician sounded so uncompromising and so inessential at the same time. If you don't mind I would like to add to this ... above situation of... Your opinion counts... but some other feelings of truth emancipate the above... noted. SO here it is... N.E.W.S. is a "brilliant" piece of pi in musicianship... what You simply forgot is the fact that it is NOT only "prince on this compilation of directional musicology" but that other "great genius artists as well are PLAYING on it and contributing their spirit too". It comes as a suprise that THIS artistic beatude... IS truly something "MOST" wont get until this world is severely changed into what is called "PEACE". Usually, it takes four corners of the earth up to ten years for most "spirits in this world" to even get close to what is being "GIVEN" in his music... The NOTE I am simply saying is... PRINCE and THE NPG MUSICIANS, are a TEAM of positive "free" spirits giving music whole heartedly...they are showing others what they can do with COURAGE and FORTITUDE by simply doing what their spirit calls them to do and to have the COURAGE to go against the grain into what MOST Spirits don't have COURAGE to do in the FIRST PLACE. N.E.W.S. is simply put: BRILLIANT and yet to be DISCOVERED in the minds of the many and THE HEART OF THE ONE. (that should ring a bell for you, politely speaking... and i never read the responses to my feelings..but have at it.. as I know U will. GODBLISS) With Love, Honor and Respect SingMia C-Ya AT LAST SOMEONE WHO GETS IT!!! Thankyou | |
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Great article My name is Prince  and I want your money | |
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I NEEED SOME AIIIRRR...
GODBLISS SingMia If this was a nomination for ... North South East West... I just wanna know where CENTRIFUGAL TRUTH is... how about we center focus on LOVE... and SIMPLY LISTEN... TO... LOVE. GODBLISS... Man I need some air... LOVE 2 U all.. becuz when it comes up 2 it... IT IS... LOVE... and is this NEWS or what? GODBLISS GODBLISS GODKISS SingMia | |
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wait wait wait NORTH EAST SOUTH WEST...
thx WAIT dang it ... NORTH EAST WEST SOUTH... who is driving this darn ship... | |
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TipN4U said: wait wait wait NORTH EAST SOUTH WEST...
thx WAIT dang it ... NORTH EAST WEST SOUTH... who is driving this darn ship... OH JUST POINT WILL YA... lol | |
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TipN4U said: wait wait wait NORTH EAST SOUTH WEST...
thx WAIT dang it ... NORTH EAST WEST SOUTH... who is driving this darn ship... Captain BlackBeard The greatest way to have a convincing argument is to attempt to gun down people with insults. Yes, that is the clearly most reasonable way to win something in your favor. No matter how many Amens or praise emoticons you get, it comes down to maybe somebody did get some type of Joy from this. Maybe somebody was in a cancer ward and listened to N.E.W.S. and it gave them strength to go on. I know Onion is satire and they are just ribbing at Prince. We all need that sometimes. But inessential what people are saying on here you can't fathom what something means to somebody. To write something off that may be close to their heart? No one deserves to be insulted for liking a particular project. I leave you with this. I want to quote something from a deep hip hop producer named Mathematics in a interview I did with him. It applies to Hip Hop but it can apply to music. "Critics,It's their job to be a critic. Everyone has their right to their own opinion. I learned personally, it could be something back n the day and I might be like, "Now that is corny". I don't call anything corny anymore. I understand what it takes for a person to do what they want to do. To make a beat and let everybody hear it in the studio alone? I remember the first time I was scared to play it. That right there takes heart. He may not be the best emcee to you but he went in the booth and did that. It is not easy being behind that mic. At the end of the day it is how you feel about something, They didn't like Scarface when it first came out. The critics said it was overacted, this and that. Now its a classic and it's the 20th anniversary." | |
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