KingSausage said:

PS... yes, I can sing... Thank U.

Love SingMia

TipN4U said:

Great. Excellent. Grand. Good. Make yourself a delicious fucking cake. Whether or not you can sing, run a marathon, shoot laser beams from your left breast, turn into a robotic monkey death slave, etc. doesn't have a thing to do with this thread. Just because you, perhaps mistakenly, think that your singing gives you some cosmic inner-knowledge of music like some sort of mountain-livin' guru or some shit does NOT mean that NEWS is suddenly essential to the public at large. Person A might think it's a masterpiece. But Persons B through Person Z, and all the way through Person ZZZWB think that an all-instrumental Prince album is very, very unimportant. Thus, it is absolutely inessential.

If you have a valid, rational argument otherwise, I'd like to hear it. If you want to simply talk about writing concertos at the age of three while pooping in your training toilet, save it for another thread.

You know, it is rather humorous to me this constant downing of what Prince brings to the public.
"Onion doesnt like it" Alot of critics didn't like what Miles was doing in his electric period hey day. In fact alot of people regarded Miles "On the Corner" as atrocious wankfest succumbed to addiction of cocaine. Those same people 20 years later were praising and fawning over it like it was some precious jewel from the lost city of Atlantis.

The point that Im addressing is critics dismissing beautiful sculptures is nothing new. I'm not saying NEWS is going to be regarded as a jewel by the public. But I am saying people dismiss great sonic architecture on a daily basis only to come back running bowing saying, "We are not worthy we are not worthy". like it was made by a neglected GOD

We have to wait n see ultimately when the tide turns

Trickology said:

Sonic Architecture... NOW THATS BEAUTIFUL...
wow... I like that... "SONIC ARCHITECTURE"

Respectfully... viewing this comment.
SingMia

once again its nothing more then media folks aka some former fans who love his past works and don't like or can't figure out anything he's done since the 80's...

nothing new here.

Trickology said:

Not to be grouchy at you, but please never mention NEWS and "On the Corner" together again. Anyone with EARS can hear the difference. One overflows with life. The other makes me feel like I'm being sodomized by an icicle-wielding clown inside a burning elevator. NEWS happens to be the latter.


On a serious note, the point again isn't that The Onion is simply criticizing this piece of plastic feces that Prince dumped upon his fans. They're pointing out how damn inessential it is to the general public. Sure, the general public may care more about crappy Britney albums. But that doesn't make NEWS any less essential, in the overall view of things. Prince is nobody.

Bull said:

Very good point. I agree with you completely. NEWS is not bad at all. The problem that most people have is that they don't want to hear or expect to hear that kind of music from Prince. In other words, they haven't learned to surrender their expectations. To me, the most beautiful thing about NEWS is that if no one ever told you, one would never guess that NEWS was created by Prince... and that's what I love about it.

TipN4U said:

Wait...one more thing...so TipN4U = SingMia??? So, you were referring to yourself in third person before? If so, what a weirdo...

FutureShock said:

Yeah, people would be expecting a Prince album to be GOOD and EXCITING and maybe maybe maybe CARED ABOUT AT ALL BY THE WORLD AT LARGE. NEWS is none of those things. It's inessential. Unimportant. A meangingless BLIP on the radar of pop-culture shit.

http://www.theonionavclub...ture1.html

Yeah i don't get it... read the rest of the least essential albums, i thought they were pretty on point, except for NEWS. It can't be the least essential out of all the crap out there. The Onion is just mad at Prince for not making pop hits anymore.

Mass delusion...

"Not to be grouchy at you, but please never mention NEWS and "On the Corner" together again. Anyone with EARS can hear the difference. One overflows with life. The other makes me feel like I'm being sodomized by an icicle-wielding clown inside a burning elevator. NEWS happens to be the latter.


On a serious note, the point again isn't that The Onion is simply criticizing this piece of plastic feces that Prince dumped upon his fans. They're pointing out how damn inessential it is to the general public. Sure, the general public may care more about crappy Britney albums. But that doesn't make NEWS any less essential, in the overall view of things. Prince is nobody.[/quote]"


This is exactly the point. Everything is subjective when it comes to art, what is plastic feces to you is diamonds and rubies to another.
I don't see how that can be any clearer. N.E.W.S may never be seen as anything else again. But there seems to be a huge agenda against Prince that nothing that he ever does again will be good with the media at large. I can't say I enjoy every piece of work, but at the

But it just seems to me Prince can never have his work scrutinized fairly anymore,what ever that means.

And ultimately King Sausage, you just basically outed yourself that music has a elite basis to listeners. That is not musics function. That is one of the great deceptions for Art. That is what is so incredible about music. It can be so many things to so many people.

So i guess ultimately what Im saying is, Music is a ocean and there is a wave for everybody. NEWS is someones prized possession and it gave something to them that is undefined.
You never know what it can mean to someone. That is the indecipherable magic of music.



Whether they are a jazzophile or not. It doesn't matter in the bigger tapestry of things.

Whether you agree surely you understand what I mean.

OK "brilliant" enlightened ones.. of this community...

Did you ever think or feel for a "bleep" of a second that... mayB just mayB he did it becuz he wanted to do something NOBODY has done. Perhaps the entire space of sounds gave him this intuition to do it. Also becuz it resonated within him to do it, Now once a present is shared... it then becomes your choice and your responsibility to either become a part of it or simply walk by it. Complaining about anothers talents becuz you may lack in the area you wish that you could create and push your negativity with words onto another who has simply shared their talent with you...is a great indicator that you will be stunting your spiritual growth by using harmfull words towards the other...This is truly a moment which you should ask yourself... WHO AM I to harm another in words... REFLECT what you are... BE KIND TO ALL who U can B Kind to in this life time... and if U so choose to be with the music of your choosing then so b it... but cast not a stone on another who enjoys the NEWS they hear.

with LOVE
SingMia... and yes KingSausage..U are loved 2.

I'm lovin' it! NEWS is the first Prince album I haven't bought. I listened to the clips at the MusicClub and that was enough. Not only not essential but just plain boring!

And it's great to see the press talking about his lack of output (from the Vault or new material). He cried about being restricted and now that he's "free" where's all the music? I've posted on at the music club many times and have been reading posts from many others there lately who are wondering about the validity of 1000 finished tracks in a vault. WTF is he waiting on? There should've been a Crystal Ball album every year. Even the first Crystal Ball had a bunch of remixes rather than bootlegs on it.

Those who disagree are in that "tiny circle of loyalists" who'll forcefeed themselves all kinds of helpings from Prince's latest lackluster output. UH!

First of all, do you think thousands of women would turn up to Robbie's concert if he looked like Guy Sebastian (Australian Idol)? I don't think so!

Robbie's career rides on his looks, and that's it. He can't sing very well, and he is not a sole writer either. Other people write his hits for him, and on rare occassion he gets credit as co-writer.

Secondly, Robbie is such an arrogant piece-of-s___ that I find it astounding that people still support him. Do not mistake his "I'm God" attitude for an "I don't care" attitude. There is a difference.

He's looks, the only thing he has, won't last either. He's teeth are getting worst and worst. He has so many tattoos it makes many of us feel sea-sick. He also has 5 times as many wrinkles as Prince, although he's 10 years younger.

Robbie Williams is a perfect example of what the NPGMC was talking about when they asked: "What the hell is wrong with radio?" Music is all image these days, which is why some people can't appreciate "One Nite Alone ... Live".

KingSausage said:

Blah, blah, blah... whatever dude. You don't like it, so no one else should. Yeah I've heard that one before. You are not alone, but neither are the people who love NEWS. The only thing that is meaningless is the weak point you're TRYING to make.

KingSausage said:

the bigger joke is that after all these years there are still people who view prince's work through the prism of what the general public thinks

North, South & East are indeed DULL

Not even worth the time to download.

fairmoan said:

Amen to that. It's like if the CD doesn't have the same mainstream appeal as Purple Rain or 1999, then it's no good. I'm sooo sick and tired of hearing that kind of attitude from suppossed to be fans.

Trickology said:

Elitist my ass, chump. I've been talkin g about the masses here. And how they don't give a flying fuck about NEWS.

Music is an ocean? Well, NEWS is one empty fucking body of water. INESSENTIAL.k
[This message was edited Fri Dec 12 22:35:01 PST 2003 by KingSausage]

TipN4U said:

I don't want your love. To me, it's even less essential than NEWS!

NOBODY has done something like NEWS before? Oh, really? Go check out a neighborhood dentist office, and you'll hear some piped-in "new directions in music" from your local soft jazz shit station.

But, I digress. This is about how inessential NEWS is to the general public, to the masses out there, to the world of music in 2003. And THAT is the fucking truth. A handfull of psychobabble, Princebonics, pseudo-spirituality spewing Prince-nuts does NOT make an album essential.

This thread is too hilarious...o

KingSausage said:

I couldn't have said it better myself.

FutureShock said:

NEWSFLASH, "Dude." I don't give a fuck if you like it. Or if you don't. The fucking point is that NEWS i s inessential to the music world in 2003. Can you not grasp that? Prince is a washed-up cultish has been who releases small-time, low-budget, impossible-to-find shit releases to an ever-dwindling horde of semi-retarded yes men fanatics. Try arguing that N EWS is essential. That's what this is about. So far, none of you muppets can address that point. Just keep on bleating...get back in your flock...

ni

fairmoan said:

An even big ger joke is the fact that none of you nimrods seem to be able to understand the difference between saying NEWS is merely good or bad, versus saying that it's totally inessential shit. Go to The Onion's web site. Read the definitions of their selections. D rop your pathetic defensiveness over Prince. Come back to reality, if you even recognize it anymore.i

I'm LMFAO at all King Sausages posts on this thead.

King Sausage has nailed it and you nutters ought to pay proper attention to what he is saying. He's not saying the "muscianship" is bad, just that it's boring and dull.

The reason The Onion says that it is inessential is because Prince still has the talent to make essential music, and they expect that he should be making essential music i.e music that people should be buying even if they dont.

You cant say that about NEWS. It isn't essential by any means, or even very interesting. The playing is magnificent but that is all you can really say about it imho.

It is not ESSENTIAL and will never be seen that way.

--> King Sausage

bkw said:

I concur. couldn't have said it better if I was even smart enough to say it.

KingSausage said:

ok, let's see, the most inessential?

"those albums with the flimsiest reasons to exist"
well as soon as an album is enjoyable to listen to (outside of whatever other criteria you place on the quality of music), it surely provides a good enough reason to exist. so an inessential album is surely a bad one. the difference between a merely bad album and a bad, inessential album appears to be that the latter is not only bad to listen to, but has no other redeeming qualities such as (chiefly it would seem) attempts at musical innovation (however bad) or mass appeal. not only is it bad music but its musical influence will be very shallow because it offers nothing new and exciting OR people are not listening to it. if the music is so bad that it has no value in itself as something to listen to, at least it could be popular and entertain, or at least it could try and launch a new idea which one day might be absorbed into a new piece of work that also sounds good

i enjoy listening to news. it avoids being inessential for me on that count. i couldn't care less whether prince is breaking new ground or whatever. i couldn't care less how many other people are enjoying it or otherwise. in fact i'm quite happy for his music to remain outside the radar of yourself or whoever else so long as I enjoy it.

having been spoilt by the level of innovation in prince's music throughout the 80s, many of the fans on this site are yet to come to terms with the reality that that sort of brilliant reinvention cannot last forever. not for anyone. sooner or later an artist begins to fall behind the pace when it comes to cutting edge trends, and their attempts to keep up sound embarassing. prince's late 90s output suffered from this, and further examples abound (look at david bowie, stevie wonder, bob dylan, the rolling stones). but prince continues to be judged completely unfairly by the standards he set for himself when he was a twenty year old with the temperament that accompanies that age. there is no tragedy, no shame in an artist retreating to the calmer pastures of his or her musical roots, leaving sonic innovation to the new generation and producing solid, accomplished music.

my advice for you is to surrender any hope that prince will once again revolutionise music. i hold no delusion that news or the rainbow children or one nite alone will leave its footprints on future generations like sign and 1999 etc did before, but it doesn't effect my appreciation of the music. if prince produced stuff i didn't like i wouldn't be consoled by the fact that other people thought it was the greatest most revolutionary step in pop music in the last decade.

the point is that when it comes to musical innovation the ball's now in the court of the new generation. perhaps you'll find what you're looking for amongst them.

King sausage,you keep saying that the CD is unessential. Unessential to who? All the people that like it purchased it and all that didn't like did'nt buy. It's not a mass quality release. Definately not intended for those people that don't like that kind of music. Is that fair to say? Would you at least admit that if you played the CD along with other jazz CD's and didn't say that prince was the writter of the songs that people would look at the CD alittle bit differently? And as far as prince being washed up, In the last 12 months he released 4 CD's and last time I checked he sold out Japan, Australia, and now Hawaii. Bottom line is that I don't think that the CD is unessential at all, I just don't think that it will appeal to the masses just like jazz or blues doesn't appeal to the masses. That doesn't make it unessential.

DOROTHYPARK said:

Robbie...nah!

KingSausage said:

My point is whether bad, good, essential unessential WHATEVER... the point is "essential" to who??? You say, "the music world in 2003". Who EXACTLY is the music world in 2003? What is your definition of that?

NEWS may not be essential to you (and whoever wrote the article in the Onion), but it IS essential to me because it adds to the eclectic volume of work that Prince has created over the past 25 years. No other artist dare do the things that Prince has done musically. NEWS is an ESSENTIAL representation of how vast and wide Prince has grown as an artist. NEWS is ESSENTIAL because at a point and time in Prince's career where he could be resting on his laurels releasing various Greatest Hits packages from his well-known catalog of albums, he is instead continuing to explore and create. NEWS is ESSENTIAL to Prince fans who love the fact that after all of these years, you still never know for sure where he's going to go next. And finally, NEWS is ESSENTIAL exactly because people like you and the Onion think it is unEssential while the Grammy Nominating committee obviously couldn't disagree with you more.

And if you will... please indulge me for a momment and tell me "Kingsausage"... what was the last album by Prince that you really liked? And no, I'm not asking you what you think is essential, I'm asking what is the last album/CD by Prince that actually liked. And if it's been more than 10 years, you may want to consider handing in your fan card and just consider yourself a fan of an era.