ThatWhiteDude said:[quote]

violetcrush said:

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ThatWhiteDude said:

“No one blamed LG for Prince's OD. But all the people mentioned in the files know more than they let people know. And Larry is one of them, they all act like they loved him so much, but don't come out with the truth of what really went down.”[/quote

What truth?? As I said in an earlier post hundreds of thousands of people have died from Opioid OD, and it’s not because their families or friends didn’t care about them. It is because they either kept the addiction private or made it clear not to interfere. Both of these are true for Prince. He did NOT want or allow people to intervene. Hence, the 11th hour emergency medical intervention that came too late.
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If the near death emergency in Moline was not enough to persuade Prince to confide in someone enough to get immediate help than nothing would have been. Prince knew what was happening at that point, but did not want it known.
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violetcrush said:

No it is not speculation and has been stated by more than one person who was close to him then.
I was raised Christian, and have been involved in various denominations throughout my life & some do believe God punishes people for their sins. P was looking for answers at the time and was studying various spiritual paths & practices. I wish he had picked one that was less rigid than JW, but after being so powerless over his son's life & health it does not surprise me he'd be drawn to a religion that is highly regimented possibly as a way to try to control life & its outcomes.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Yes. Exactly.

violetcrush said:[quote]

ThatWhiteDude said:

No one taking opiates to the degree that P was "really knows what's happening" and can make healthy decisions - their thinking is not clear due to opiate usage.
If P was an addict at that point, then he definitely was not able to make healthy decisions.
I don't blame LG for his death. But I also don't think he was a good influence on him & that he used P to some degree just like so many others.
It's not that simple - substance abuse, addiction, chronic pain, psychological pain, grief, fame, isolation, and so many other things factored in his death.
LG was out for himself imho.

ThatWhiteDude said:

U think LG knew that he was taking drugs? I don't think Prince let people know. They might only know if they saw him popping pills all the time.

I had a friend who I didn't know was taking pills and about 3 weeks before their death I had an operation. I mentioned to them that I didn't need the pain pills because I was gonna take the pain and wanted to be brave by enduring the pain. I guess that inspired this person to try to be brave and stop taking their pills. 3 weeks later they were dead from complications from pain meds. I don't need to wonder if I was partly to blame for their death. Had I known, I would've been more helpful and supportive of them and help them transition through that period.

I'm sure that if LG knew, he would have helped his friend and been there for him. 😔

mELdOURADOsELVAGEM said:

I'd strongly suggest you read the investigation files.
From them we know Mani told police she knew P had issues with pain meds & had reached out to LG.
We also know about LGs 'interview' with police.
Did he know what was going on with P in the last year(s) of his life? Unlikely as they didn't spend lots of time together & we also know P was great at concealing that which he did not want people to know.
I believe he knew P had issues with pain meds at some point. That does not make him responsible for what happened.

Morgaine said:

Thanks for summing it up for me.

But I don't think I'm gonna do research on that.
I mean, all in all, it doesn't really matter all this talk and speculating.
He's dead, he died from drug overdose.

Nothing can change the fact that he's gone, even if some knew about it, knowing all that won't bring him back.

For all we knew, maybe LG did try to help him and maybe he stopped abusing drugs but later went back on it again without LG knowing.

Good to know some aren't judging LG based on Prince's own actions.

Morgaine said:

EXACTLY. I had mentioned in my last post that Prince refused to stay in the hospital even though the Doctors urged him to stay. He did NOT want the media or anyone else knowing how severe his addiction was. Many friends and associates have stated they called PP to try to find out if he was okay and what was going on. They were ALL told he was fine. Then, Prince had the dance party at PP a few days later as a message to his fans that he was okay.
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Prince’s friends are not to blame for his death.

ThatWhiteDude said:

No one blamed LG for Prince's OD. But all the people mentioned in the files know more than they let people know. And Larry is one of them, they all act like they loved him so much, but don't come out with the truth of what really went down.

Amen.

mELdOURADOsELVAGEM said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

No one blamed LG for Prince's OD. But all the people mentioned in the files know more than they let people know. And Larry is one of them, they all act like they loved him so much, but don't come out with the truth of what really went down.

U think LG knew that he was taking drugs? I don't think Prince let people know. They might only know if they saw him popping pills all the time. I had a friend who I didn't know was taking pills and about 3 weeks before their death I had an operation. I mentioned to them that I didn't need the pain pills because I was gonna take the pain and wanted to be brave by enduring the pain. I guess that inspired this person to try to be brave and stop taking their pills. 3 weeks later they were dead from complications from pain meds. I don't need to wonder if I was partly to blame for their death. Had I known, I would've been more helpful and supportive of them and help them transition through that period. I'm sure that if LG knew, he would have helped his friend and been there for him. 😔

Mani told Larry.

Larry then asked if Mani was a Dr.

PennyPurple said:

Larry’s answer to Manuela may have been his way of staying out of something he felt was not his business. Also, Prince was touring extensively and looking very physically healthy during that period. His response may also have been related to that. I don’t think anyone would have suspected he was having pain med issues from 2000-2005.
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Regarding Larry’s statements to the police - him saying that he suspected Prince might be having issues with pain meds would have no bearing at all on Prince’s death or the investigation. I have no doubt there were many associates who had suspected or heard that he was addicted. Again, can’t get through the door when it’s been locked. Prince had his door locked up tight.

violetcrush said:

It was a rude reply that belittled Mani as his wife/partner & her observations & pov.

She obviously knew he was having issues and went to Larry. Not surprising since he was supposed to be one of Prince's best friends, plus a mentor & spiritual advisor then.

If I was in a similar situation and my partner's bff, mentor, & advisor asked me if I was a doctor I would assume that person did not want to "see" what I was saying.

If I was a true friend, mentor, & advisor & their partner came to me with similar concerns I would do what I could to help the person I love instead of shaming their partner for coming to me for help.

Morgaine said:

But you are not Larry. He comes from a much older generation and most likely felt it was not his place to confront Prince about something his wife was telling him, which was personal to Prince. I’m not saying he made the right choice, however, his mindset about it was obviously different.
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Also, remember that Prince’s friendships/relationships were far from typical in terms of the dynamic and what he shared with those around him. It seems everyone, including girlfriends and wives, walked on eggshells around him with what they said and did. He was not that friend you could approach and say, “hey Prince, I’m worried about you and want to talk to you about what’s going on with you...”. That would NOT happen. I think the fact that Mani felt she had to go to Larry instead of talking directly to Prince says a lot, and confirms others’ statements about the fact that you could not talk to him like that - about personal things, feelings, emotions, etc. He did not allow it.
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He sings about it in The Breakdown - “There’s a door that you can walk through baby, where there used to be a wall..”
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Morgaine said:

It was a rude reply that belittled Mani as his wife/partner & her observations & pov. She obviously knew he was having issues and went to Larry. Not surprising since he was supposed to be one of Prince's best friends, plus a mentor & spiritual advisor then. If I was in a similar situation and my partner's bff, mentor, & advisor asked me if I was a doctor I would assume that person did not want to "see" what I was saying. If I was a true friend, mentor, & advisor & their partner came to me with similar concerns I would do what I could to help the person I love instead of shaming their partner for coming to me for help.

Exactly. Very well said.

violetcrush said:

Morgaine said:

It was a rude reply that belittled Mani as his wife/partner & her observations & pov. She obviously knew he was having issues and went to Larry. Not surprising since he was supposed to be one of Prince's best friends, plus a mentor & spiritual advisor then. If I was in a similar situation and my partner's bff, mentor, & advisor asked me if I was a doctor I would assume that person did not want to "see" what I was saying. If I was a true friend, mentor, & advisor & their partner came to me with similar concerns I would do what I could to help the person I love instead of shaming their partner for coming to me for help.

But you are not Larry. He comes from a much older generation and most likely felt it was not his place to confront Prince about something his wife was telling him, which was personal to Prince. I’m not saying he made the right choice, however, his mindset about it was obviously different. * Also, remember that Prince’s friendships/relationships were far from typical in terms of the dynamic and what he shared with those around him. It seems everyone, including girlfriends and wives, walked on eggshells around him with what they said and did. He was not that friend you could approach and say, “hey Prince, I’m worried about you and want to talk to you about what’s going on with you...”. That would NOT happen. I think the fact that Mani felt she had to go to Larry instead of talking directly to Prince says a lot, and confirms others’ statements about the fact that you could not talk to him like that - about personal things, feelings, emotions, etc. He did not allow it. * He sings about it in The Breakdown - “There’s a door that you can walk through baby, where there used to be a wall..” [Edited 10/7/19 18:13pm]

Now Violet, you don't know if Mani tried to talk to Prince or not. You are projecting. Maybe she did talk to her husband about it, and couldn't get anywere so she went to Larry for help.

That in bold is not a fact, that is your projection.

PennyPurple said:

Manuela was Prince’s WIFE - of anyone she was the person who should have been able to talk to Prince about the issues. If she, as his wife, could not even discuss it with Prince then why would Larry have been any different?
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Could he have responded in a gentler way? Yes, but that was his way of telling her he did not feel comfortable about confronting Prince.

PennyPurple said:

I doubt it, because as most who were close to him have stated - Prince controlled the dynamic and what was said. HE called the shots. But even if she did try to talk to him and he refused to discuss it - that supports my point, which is that if his wife could not get him to talk why would Larry be any different? Their relationship was religion and music. I don’t think they were sitting around talking about their personal lives and day to day activities.

violetcrush said:

PennyPurple said:

Now Violet, you don't know if Mani tried to talk to Prince or not. You are projecting. Maybe she did talk to her husband about it, and couldn't get anywere so she went to Larry for help.

That in bold is not a fact, that is your projection.

I doubt it, because as most who were close to him have stated - Prince controlled the dynamic and what was said. HE called the shots. But even if she did try to talk to him and he refused to discuss it - that supports my point, which is that if his wife could not get him to talk why would Larry be any different? Their relationship was religion and music. I don’t think they were sitting around talking about their personal lives and day to day activities.

The fact is, you don't know.

PennyPurple said:

Right, none of us do. However, we now have a pretty good idea of what life was like with Prince from both a relationship and friendship perspective, and it’s been consistent across the board. You just did not sit down and have those kinds of conversations with him. He was closed off that way, which is why he communicated with his music.

violetcrush said:

That is not how someone who truly loves someone acts. His WIFE came to Larry for help. And all Larry did was belittle her. He was a Christian, snd as a JW, to turn a brother away is NOT done. Ever.
Leaving out religion, if he had not wanted to get involved, he could have just said 'I don't feel comfortable talking to you about this". That's not difficult to do.
Excusing him as it being generational doesn't work - plenty born in that era would be very concerned about their 'little brother' since his wife has come to them for help instead of questioning her intelligence like he did.

PennyPurple said:

Thank you Penny! Nice to see you're still here being you 💜

violetcrush said:

I don't think that's true across the board. There have been band members & others who worked for/with him as well as ex girlfriends/wives who did talk to him that way.
I think he respected those who did & it seems with some of them, it was partly why the relationship continued when others with yes wo/men filtered after not as long.
I think those who didn't ever speak up are those who were trying to ride the Purple Gravy Train. They had their purpose, imho, as did those who disagreed with him.
I think Larry was among the latter.

Morgaine said:

Did you even bother to read my post?? I stated that he could have responded in a gentler way. However, we also do not know the dynamic between Mani and Larry - how close they were or whether they even got along. It’s just so ridiculous for any of us to judge Larry or anyone in his camp, because NONE of us were there. All of us handle situations differently too.

Morgaine said:

PennyPurple said:

Exactly. Very well said.

Thank you Penny! Nice to see you're still here being you 💜

Awe you know me, I don't change. I shoot straight from the hip.

violetcrush said:

Yes, Violet, I read your post. I just don't agree.
I don't believe his response, no matter what era he is from or that it was in regards to someone famous who didn't like being confronted, was appropriate for a person who said he saw P as his "little brother", and acted as a mentor and spiritual advisor.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
There is too much evidence showing he did not act in a way that is consistent with what is expected of a big brother, mentor, or spiritual advisor.

Morgaine said:

I hear what you are saying. All I am stating is that Prince didn’t really let people “in” - girlfriends, wives, friends or “religious mentors”. Mayte even stated she was never able to call him directly. She had to page him and he would call her back on his time. That is just an absurd dynamic in a marriage. There were no “normal” relationships with Prince.

Morgaine said:

Yes, Violet, I read your post. I just don't agree. I don't believe his response, no matter what era he is from or that it was in regards to someone famous who didn't like being confronted, was appropriate for a person who said he saw P as his "little brother", and acted as a mentor and spiritual advisor. We'll have to agree to disagree. There is too much evidence showing he did not act in a way that is consistent with what is expected of a big brother, mentor, or spiritual advisor.

Especially one that had a prior drug habit, and was allegedly close to P.

violetcrush said:

His relationships would not have been normal due to his fame anyway. I've known a few & it's not at all the same.
And yes the not being able to call is weird, though Mayte did state she had all the numbers once they were married there was a door that she could not pass through unless he let her. That's actually true with all people - we only show what we want people to see.
I still say Larry did not act like a big brother, friend, or mentor to him.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Yes I forgot about his prior addiction issues. To cocsine iirc.
Somewhat off topic but its interesting to me thst Chaka had issues with opiates & was in the mix with both for several years touring, recording, etc.

violetcrush said:

Morgaine said:

Yes, Violet, I read your post. I just don't agree. I don't believe his response, no matter what era he is from or that it was in regards to someone famous who didn't like being confronted, was appropriate for a person who said he saw P as his "little brother", and acted as a mentor and spiritual advisor. We'll have to agree to disagree. There is too much evidence showing he did not act in a way that is consistent with what is expected of a big brother, mentor, or spiritual advisor.

I hear what you are saying. All I am stating is that Prince didn’t really let people “in” - girlfriends, wives, friends or “religious mentors”. Mayte even stated she was never able to call him directly. She had to page him and he would call her back on his time. That is just an absurd dynamic in a marriage. There were no “normal” relationships with Prince.

Prince(r.i.p.) WAS NOT a normal person. He was an angel not of this earth. To compare him to a mortal human being is a waste of time. He WAS NOT a mortal creature subject to the whims of nature.’