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Reply #90 posted 10/02/19 9:15am

Morgaine

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Morgaine said:


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The only problem I have with this interview is that we now know that during this time Prince and Mayte were having issues. Larry was in the mix, and I believe Manuela was also working closely with him at PP. Soon after, Mayte was moved to Spain, and Prince was spending most of his time in MN. I think this discussion is more tied to the fact that he had an album to promote, and he was being drilled about his relationship and the song.


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The funniest part of this interview is when the host starts reciting Prince's lyrics back to him, and Prince pulls out a thin white cracker and starts eating it lol Poor guy...he clearly didn't get the memo that Prince would really not appreciate his lyrics being recited back to him by some stiff white dude biggrin



We also know they had a respite in there somewhere. Maybe this was one of those times. Otherwise it seems awfully cold of him to basically gush...just for some money? I'd rather not think of him that way but feel free.


The more I've read, and after listening to many recent interviews with those who worked with and/or had close relationships with him, the more it becomes apparent that Prince was ALWAYS music and business first. He was taping the Oprah show one week after his Son died sad I know he had a major album to promote, but that is just crazy to me. Most would have postponed doing press in order to take the time to process and grieve that loss. So yes, unfortunately, he seemed to always prioritize his music and his business over anything else.


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Think about that interview. He certainly could not sit there and tell the guy that he no longer feels the same way for his wife, and they will most likely separate, when he's being asked about a song he supposedly wrote for her which talks about what a great man he is in a relationship confused Nah, he had to respond accordingly when the guy asked those specific questions about his marriage. I also think it's very telling that when he was asked what it's like to find "the one" Prince first answered, "well, you eat better".


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Prince hated any journalist asking about his personal life anyway, which is why he pulled out that cracker.



I agree music was always first for him as it was his escape, how he dealt with emotion, etc.
We also know that while they were making the video & promoting The One they had a brief respite. I agree he would not have been able to say 'hey, we're not together anymore' however he was awfully gushy about it & usually seemed to change the subject or down play it if he didn't like the direction the conversation was going. It's obvious that they were having big issues & Mani was already in the picture to some extent.
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Reply #91 posted 10/02/19 9:19am

Morgaine

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Morgaine said:


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That last paragraph pretty much says it all confused Prince was NOT a monogamous man, and his marriage was most likely privately finished by this point, and then publicly finished by the end of 1999.



Yes we now know that was exactly his reasoning for cheating while married. I often wonder what Larry & the JW elders thought of this because to date it appears it was validated & co-signed, at least to some extent. That's odd to me as representative of JW/Christian behavior. We also know she filed for divorce in early 2000.


Probably because Manuela was willing to join the JW? It's quite hypocritical, but that is most likely the reason they accepted the situation.



That's my opinion as well. I find it disturbing; no Christian denomination I'm aware of would support cheating on & divorcing one's spouse.

Which leads me to question LGs intentions both as a friend & mentor. It seems awfully self serving & definitely not Christian-like.
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Reply #92 posted 10/02/19 9:31am

Morgaine

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Yes we now know that was exactly his reasoning for cheating while married. I often wonder what Larry & the JW elders thought of this because to date it appears it was validated & co-signed, at least to some extent. That's odd to me as representative of JW/Christian behavior.
We also know she filed for divorce in early 2000.


Both his wives did the filing for divorce. That is okay I believe in the JW faith.


He basically put them in untenable positions ao much that they were basically forced to divorce him.
He was not paying any bills on the house in Spain he bought with Mayte & locked Mani out. People can only be treated in this manner for so long before it becomes too uncomfortable.
According to JW, he looks good because he wasn't the one who filed. But it seems he basically ostracized & forced both to file. Which seems to have been his MO for a long time.
I respect your beliefs. I don't respect hypocrisy which seems to be what occurred with Mayte (et al).
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Reply #93 posted 10/02/19 1:43pm

violetcrush

Morgaine said:

violetcrush said:



Morgaine said:


violetcrush said:



The only problem I have with this interview is that we now know that during this time Prince and Mayte were having issues. Larry was in the mix, and I believe Manuela was also working closely with him at PP. Soon after, Mayte was moved to Spain, and Prince was spending most of his time in MN. I think this discussion is more tied to the fact that he had an album to promote, and he was being drilled about his relationship and the song.


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The funniest part of this interview is when the host starts reciting Prince's lyrics back to him, and Prince pulls out a thin white cracker and starts eating it lol Poor guy...he clearly didn't get the memo that Prince would really not appreciate his lyrics being recited back to him by some stiff white dude biggrin



We also know they had a respite in there somewhere. Maybe this was one of those times. Otherwise it seems awfully cold of him to basically gush...just for some money? I'd rather not think of him that way but feel free.


The more I've read, and after listening to many recent interviews with those who worked with and/or had close relationships with him, the more it becomes apparent that Prince was ALWAYS music and business first. He was taping the Oprah show one week after his Son died sad I know he had a major album to promote, but that is just crazy to me. Most would have postponed doing press in order to take the time to process and grieve that loss. So yes, unfortunately, he seemed to always prioritize his music and his business over anything else.


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Think about that interview. He certainly could not sit there and tell the guy that he no longer feels the same way for his wife, and they will most likely separate, when he's being asked about a song he supposedly wrote for her which talks about what a great man he is in a relationship confused Nah, he had to respond accordingly when the guy asked those specific questions about his marriage. I also think it's very telling that when he was asked what it's like to find "the one" Prince first answered, "well, you eat better".


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Prince hated any journalist asking about his personal life anyway, which is why he pulled out that cracker.



I agree music was always first for him as it was his escape, how he dealt with emotion, etc.
We also know that while they were making the video & promoting The One they had a brief respite. I agree he would not have been able to say 'hey, we're not together anymore' however he was awfully gushy about it & usually seemed to change the subject or down play it if he didn't like the direction the conversation was going. It's obvious that they were having big issues & Mani was already in the picture to some extent.

Yes, but the way the host was discussing the song - reciting the lyrics and talking about what it means to find “the one”, and then asking Prince what it has meant to him - he really had no choice to answer. They were not a “yes” or “no” questions.
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Interestingly, when you really look at the lyrics the song it is not about Prince finding “the one” - it’s about Prince himself being “the one” a woman would want to be with, because he treats his women the best. So, the host was not putting the song into the right context, but of course Prince was not going to sit there and explain that to him. biggrin
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Reply #94 posted 10/02/19 1:48pm

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Morgaine said:

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Both his wives did the filing for divorce. That is okay I believe in the JW faith.


He basically put them in untenable positions ao much that they were basically forced to divorce him.
He was not paying any bills on the house in Spain he bought with Mayte & locked Mani out. People can only be treated in this manner for so long before it becomes too uncomfortable.
According to JW, he looks good because he wasn't the one who filed. But it seems he basically ostracized & forced both to file. Which seems to have been his MO for a long time.
I respect your beliefs. I don't respect hypocrisy which seems to be what occurred with Mayte (et al).

I think you are on point here. His actions left them no choice but to file. In Manuela’s case Prince’s statement to the media was actually that he did not want the divorce, so he came across as more the “victim” in the marriage. Clever strategy confused
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Reply #95 posted 10/03/19 12:22pm

TheTruth123

Morgaine said:

TheTruth123 said:



Both his wives did the filing for divorce. That is okay I believe in the JW faith.


He basically put them in untenable positions ao much that they were basically forced to divorce him.
He was not paying any bills on the house in Spain he bought with Mayte & locked Mani out. People can only be treated in this manner for so long before it becomes too uncomfortable.
According to JW, he looks good because he wasn't the one who filed. But it seems he basically ostracized & forced both to file. Which seems to have been his MO for a long time.
I respect your beliefs. I don't respect hypocrisy which seems to be what occurred with Mayte (et al).


Yes. I just noticed at this level yesterday that he was not the one who did the filing. That is acceptable in his religion. As long as he wasn’t the one doing the divorce thing. That doesn’t mean he did not have a good cause to want to get out of these relationships.
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Reply #96 posted 10/03/19 12:24pm

TheTruth123

violetcrush said:

Morgaine said:



He basically put them in untenable positions ao much that they were basically forced to divorce him.
He was not paying any bills on the house in Spain he bought with Mayte & locked Mani out. People can only be treated in this manner for so long before it becomes too uncomfortable.
According to JW, he looks good because he wasn't the one who filed. But it seems he basically ostracized & forced both to file. Which seems to have been his MO for a long time.
I respect your beliefs. I don't respect hypocrisy which seems to be what occurred with Mayte (et al).

I think you are on point here. His actions left them no choice but to file. In Manuela’s case Prince’s statement to the media was actually that he did not want the divorce, so he came across as more the “victim” in the marriage. Clever strategy confused


Perhaps, but we do not always know what another person’s motives are, the reasons for why they do things.
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Reply #97 posted 10/03/19 12:30pm

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Morgaine said:



I don't. Mostly because it's impossible to love two completely different people the same way. He seemed to really trust her in ways he didn't with others. Maybe because they were friends for years?


Yes, I think he loved or felt for them all differently too, and for different reasons. I can see him being obsessed with Vanity and wanting to protect her but also competing with wills.. I can see him loving Mayte because of her sweetness, innocence and loyalty to him and also neither she or vanity were jealous people... I can see him being taken with Manuela’s beauty and intelligence and the hopes he had... I can see him having a quiet, sensual relationship with Bria... and I can see him wanting to be young and hip and copy Andy’s style which was something new to him after the tight relationship and problems with Mani, and appreciate the freedom of a looser friendship and the music, and keep her for his muse.

I think P was in ways so “different” that we can’t even understand it.
[Edited 10/1/19 15:52pm]


I want to pick up off this from the other day. I remember once a poster he is saying that prince prepared some of these young women for a mate. That he was not going to be the one to stay. He couldn’t.
I was just listening to Andy’s song “Don’t Ever Say.” It seems she is saying in that song that he left. I believe he did, and this is what she meant by, he also taught her about heartbreak.
When you mentor someone in this intimate way, you are going to show them everything about love. The breakup hurts, but it is an actual part of it.
Prince remained supportive of her music. He remained a friend.
I still believe that it would not be unless he was with somebody who is equally yoked to him in spiritual maturity and life experience, who also had the other things he was looking for, that he would’ve settle down again. This is why in the RS interview he said he didn’t know if he would.
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Reply #98 posted 10/03/19 2:56pm

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Yes, I think he loved or felt for them all differently too, and for different reasons. I can see him being obsessed with Vanity and wanting to protect her but also competing with wills.. I can see him loving Mayte because of her sweetness, innocence and loyalty to him and also neither she or vanity were jealous people... I can see him being taken with Manuela’s beauty and intelligence and the hopes he had... I can see him having a quiet, sensual relationship with Bria... and I can see him wanting to be young and hip and copy Andy’s style which was something new to him after the tight relationship and problems with Mani, and appreciate the freedom of a looser friendship and the music, and keep her for his muse.

I think P was in ways so “different” that we can’t even understand it.
[Edited 10/1/19 15:52pm]


I want to pick up off this from the other day. I remember once a poster he is saying that prints prepared some of these young women for a mate. That he was not going to be the one to stay. He couldn’t.
I was just listening to Andy’s song “Don’t Ever Say.” It seems she is saying in that song that he left. I believe he did, and this is what she meant by, he also taught her about heartbreak.
When you mentor someone in this intimate way, you are going to show them everything about love. The breakup hurts, but it is an actual part of it.
Prince remained supportive of her music. He remained a friend.
I still believe that it would not be unless he was with somebody who is equally yoked to him in spiritual maturity and life experience, who also had the other things he was looking for, that he would’ve settle down again. This is why in the RS interview he said he didn’t know if he would.

Prince was first engaged in ‘85, and then went on to marry twice - once in ‘96, and then again in 2001. By the end of his second marriage I would imagine he may have figured it best to stay single. He was never the “marrying kind”. It was not a spiritual issue - it was an inability to stay monogamous and to be vulnerable. Those are both key factors in sustaining a marriage.
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Didn’t Andy recently come out as Lesbian?? Or Bi-sexual? If so, that may have factored in to Prince moving on, and/or Andy moving on. There was also such an enormous age gap, so to me it makes complete sense that it didn’t last.
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Reply #99 posted 10/03/19 3:00pm

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Yes, I think he loved or felt for them all differently too, and for different reasons. I can see him being obsessed with Vanity and wanting to protect her but also competing with wills.. I can see him loving Mayte because of her sweetness, innocence and loyalty to him and also neither she or vanity were jealous people... I can see him being taken with Manuela’s beauty and intelligence and the hopes he had... I can see him having a quiet, sensual relationship with Bria... and I can see him wanting to be young and hip and copy Andy’s style which was something new to him after the tight relationship and problems with Mani, and appreciate the freedom of a looser friendship and the music, and keep her for his muse. I think P was in ways so “different” that we can’t even understand it. [Edited 10/1/19 15:52pm]
I want to pick up off this from the other day. I remember once a poster he is saying that prints prepared some of these young women for a mate. That he was not going to be the one to stay. He couldn’t. I was just listening to Andy’s song “Don’t Ever Say.” It seems she is saying in that song that he left. I believe he did, and this is what she meant by, he also taught her about heartbreak. When you mentor someone in this intimate way, you are going to show them everything about love. The breakup hurts, but it is an actual part of it. Prince remained supportive of her music. He remained a friend. I still believe that it would not be unless he was with somebody who is equally yoked to him in spiritual maturity and life experience, who also had the other things he was looking for, that he would’ve settle down again. This is why in the RS interview he said he didn’t know if he would.

The truth is that Prince never settled down with anyone, ever...he either could not or would not.

He juggled multiple women at all times. The End.

Now, back to the thread topic...

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Reply #100 posted 10/03/19 3:09pm

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TheTruth123 said:

TheTruth123 said:



Yes, I think he loved or felt for them all differently too, and for different reasons. I can see him being obsessed with Vanity and wanting to protect her but also competing with wills.. I can see him loving Mayte because of her sweetness, innocence and loyalty to him and also neither she or vanity were jealous people... I can see him being taken with Manuela’s beauty and intelligence and the hopes he had... I can see him having a quiet, sensual relationship with Bria... and I can see him wanting to be young and hip and copy Andy’s style which was something new to him after the tight relationship and problems with Mani, and appreciate the freedom of a looser friendship and the music, and keep her for his muse.

I think P was in ways so “different” that we can’t even understand it.
[Edited 10/1/19 15:52pm]


I want to pick up off this from the other day. I remember once a poster he is saying that prints prepared some of these young women for a mate. That he was not going to be the one to stay. He couldn’t.
I was just listening to Andy’s song “Don’t Ever Say.” It seems she is saying in that song that he left. I believe he did, and this is what she meant by, he also taught her about heartbreak.
When you mentor someone in this intimate way, you are going to show them everything about love. The breakup hurts, but it is an actual part of it.
Prince remained supportive of her music. He remained a friend.
I still believe that it would not be unless he was with somebody who is equally yoked to him in spiritual maturity and life experience, who also had the other things he was looking for, that he would’ve settle down again. This is why in the RS interview he said he didn’t know if he would.

He shouldn't have used her, I always felt it was wrong. It's the principle.
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Reply #101 posted 10/03/19 3:57pm

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violetcrush said:

TheTruth123 said:



I want to pick up off this from the other day. I remember once a poster he is saying that prints prepared some of these young women for a mate. That he was not going to be the one to stay. He couldn’t.
I was just listening to Andy’s song “Don’t Ever Say.” It seems she is saying in that song that he left. I believe he did, and this is what she meant by, he also taught her about heartbreak.
When you mentor someone in this intimate way, you are going to show them everything about love. The breakup hurts, but it is an actual part of it.
Prince remained supportive of her music. He remained a friend.
I still believe that it would not be unless he was with somebody who is equally yoked to him in spiritual maturity and life experience, who also had the other things he was looking for, that he would’ve settle down again. This is why in the RS interview he said he didn’t know if he would.

Prince was first engaged in ‘85, and then went on to marry twice - once in ‘96, and then again in 2001. By the end of his second marriage I would imagine he may have figured it best to stay single. He was never the “marrying kind”. It was not a spiritual issue - it was an inability to stay monogamous and to be vulnerable. Those are both key factors in sustaining a marriage.
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Didn’t Andy recently come out as Lesbian?? Or Bi-sexual? If so, that may have factored in to Prince moving on, and/or Andy moving on. There was also such an enormous age gap, so to me it makes complete sense that it didn’t last.


Those were “starter marriages”. That’s one way you learn. And grow.
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Reply #102 posted 10/03/19 3:59pm

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mELdOURADOsELVAGEM said:

TheTruth123 said:



I want to pick up off this from the other day. I remember once a poster he is saying that prints prepared some of these young women for a mate. That he was not going to be the one to stay. He couldn’t.
I was just listening to Andy’s song “Don’t Ever Say.” It seems she is saying in that song that he left. I believe he did, and this is what she meant by, he also taught her about heartbreak.
When you mentor someone in this intimate way, you are going to show them everything about love. The breakup hurts, but it is an actual part of it.
Prince remained supportive of her music. He remained a friend.
I still believe that it would not be unless he was with somebody who is equally yoked to him in spiritual maturity and life experience, who also had the other things he was looking for, that he would’ve settle down again. This is why in the RS interview he said he didn’t know if he would.

He shouldn't have used her, I always felt it was wrong. It's the principle.


I don’t think he used her. I think it is pretty clear by now, or should be to everybody, that it’s the other way around. There was something she wanted from him, and still uses that. It is so blatantly obvious it is staring us all right in the face. I am always shocked at how few people can see this.

Maybe he used her too. I don’t know. That would last us about. Or not being with someone who is your equal. He may have not meant for it to happen, but couldn’t help it at the time. He changed a lot later on.
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Reply #103 posted 10/03/19 5:51pm

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violetcrush said:


Prince was first engaged in ‘85, and then went on to marry twice - once in ‘96, and then again in 2001. By the end of his second marriage I would imagine he may have figured it best to stay single. He was never the “marrying kind”. It was not a spiritual issue - it was an inability to stay monogamous and to be vulnerable. Those are both key factors in sustaining a marriage.
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Didn’t Andy recently come out as Lesbian?? Or Bi-sexual? If so, that may have factored in to Prince moving on, and/or Andy moving on. There was also such an enormous age gap, so to me it makes complete sense that it didn’t last.


Those were “starter marriages”. That’s one way you learn. And grow.

“Starter marriages”??? lol lol lol I didn’t realize there are “practice runs” for marriage biggrin
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Prince was 37 when he first married. He had had several serious relationships, including an engagement (I believe the one that got away), plus a boatload of other women, and he was 43 when he married for the second time. There was no practice needed. He was plenty mature enough by his first marriage. He just was not monogamous - in any of his relationships.
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Reply #104 posted 10/03/19 5:56pm

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violetcrush said:

TheTruth123 said:
Those were “starter marriages”. That’s one way you learn. And grow.
“Starter marriages”??? lol lol lol I didn’t realize there are “practice runs” for marriage biggrin * Prince was 37 when he first married. He had had several serious relationships, including an engagement (I believe the one that got away), plus a boatload of other women, and he was 43 when he married for the second time. There was no practice needed. He was plenty mature enough by his first marriage. He just was not monogamous - in any of his relationships.

That engagement just like the "other" engagement would NEVER have turned into marriage.....

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances."prince 1985
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Reply #105 posted 10/03/19 6:02pm

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violetcrush said:


TheTruth123 said:
Those were “starter marriages”. That’s one way you learn. And grow.

“Starter marriages”??? lol lol lol I didn’t realize there are “practice runs” for marriage biggrin * Prince was 37 when he first married. He had had several serious relationships, including an engagement (I believe the one that got away), plus a boatload of other women, and he was 43 when he married for the second time. There was no practice needed. He was plenty mature enough by his first marriage. He just was not monogamous - in any of his relationships.

That engagement just like the "other" engagement would NEVER have turned into marriage.....


What “other” engagement?? I have no doubt he regretted losing her though. SO many signs of it. And quite interesting that she was the last one he wanted to see/work with again before he passed.
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Reply #106 posted 10/03/19 8:46pm

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violetcrush said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:



violetcrush said:


TheTruth123 said:
Those were “starter marriages”. That’s one way you learn. And grow.

“Starter marriages”??? lol lol lol I didn’t realize there are “practice runs” for marriage biggrin * Prince was 37 when he first married. He had had several serious relationships, including an engagement (I believe the one that got away), plus a boatload of other women, and he was 43 when he married for the second time. There was no practice needed. He was plenty mature enough by his first marriage. He just was not monogamous - in any of his relationships.

That engagement just like the "other" engagement would NEVER have turned into marriage.....


What “other” engagement?? I have no doubt he regretted losing her though. SO many signs of it. And quite interesting that she was the last one he wanted to see/work with again before he passed.


We really don’t know who “Revelation” is written for.
I will say this though: It sounds to me like a long ago love. More than just a handful of years prior.
ETA: And the music was written in 2010.
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Reply #107 posted 10/04/19 2:02am

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violetcrush said:


What “other” engagement?? I have no doubt he regretted losing her though. SO many signs of it. And quite interesting that she was the last one he wanted to see/work with again before he passed.


We really don’t know who “Revelation” is written for.
I will say this though: It sounds to me like a long ago love. More than just a handful of years prior.
ETA: And the music was written in 2010.
[Edited 10/3/19 20:47pm]

Yes. Same with Van Gogh, Soul Sanctuary, Strange But True, Tangerine, The Breakdown, and others. Lots of songs that seem to refer to a lost love.
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Reply #108 posted 10/04/19 2:56am

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

That engagement just like the "other" engagement would NEVER have turned into marriage.....

What “other” engagement?? I have no doubt he regretted losing her though. SO many signs of it. And quite interesting that she was the last one he wanted to see/work with again before he passed.

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"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances."prince 1985
"eye feel that we're on the brink of something. It is going 2 B strict and wild and pretty" prince 1986
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Reply #109 posted 10/04/19 5:09am

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Morgaine said:

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TheTruth123 said:


Morgaine said:
I don't. Mostly because it's impossible to love two completely different people the same way. He seemed to really trust her in ways he didn't with others. Maybe because they were friends for years?

Yes, I think he loved or felt for them all differently too, and for different reasons. I can see him being obsessed with Vanity and wanting to protect her but also competing with wills.. I can see him loving Mayte because of her sweetness, innocence and loyalty to him and also neither she or vanity were jealous people... I can see him being taken with Manuela’s beauty and intelligence and the hopes he had... I can see him having a quiet, sensual relationship with Bria... and I can see him wanting to be young and hip and copy Andy’s style which was something new to him after the tight relationship and problems with Mani, and appreciate the freedom of a looser friendship and the music, and keep her for his muse. I think P was in ways so “different” that we can’t even understand it. [Edited 10/1/19 15:52pm]


From what I have read, Vanity was actually very jealous with Prince, which is why she would flaunt her dates with other men and flirt with other men in front of Prince. It's been stated that they had major fights because of Prince's infidelity, especially within the camp itself. Associates said she would be livid when Prince would ask to see Jill or Susan instead of her on the 1999 tour. Their relationship was toxic and full of jealousy, but also very sexual.


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I think Mayte was way too young to get involved with Prince, as he was 34 yrs to her 19 yrs. He could easily control and manipulate that relationship. He was dating many women when he was also sleeping with her, so really no different in terms of his relationships - except the pregnancy. I have no doubt that Mayte would have been just as jealous as any of Prince's girlfriends in dealing with knowing he was sleeping with other women while also seeing her. At her young age she may not have known though. He was an expert at keeping his affairs separate.


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Manuela was a huge Prince fan, and in the right place at the right time. Prince was moving on from Mayte, and there was another young and pretty girl working at PP who was completely smitten with him. Another easy-to-control situation for Prince. She also willingly converted to JW for him, so it was a win-win-win Prince - at least until the next attractive and young girl came into the mix, who was rumored to be Tamar.


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Prince was 52 yrs old when he began mentoring Andy Allo, and she was 22 yrs old. Yes, Prince was always mentally younger than his real age, but come on!! He was THIRTY years her senior. I think she was enamored with his musical genius, and wanted to be in his environment. Was she briefly smitten too? Seems that was the case based on the letter she had written him, but I just don't think theirs was any deep love affair.


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I think Bria was a muse and potential protege that ended when nothing really came of her record. That, and she may have realilzed he was with other women too.


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Prince was a creature of habit, and it seems he had the same pattern of behavior in all of his relationships. He was destined to be alone, because his actions/behaviors made a relationship with him unsustainable. He never changed, and the women became lonely and miserable with him.




I think Mayte, because her parents had a back & forth relationship, wasn't as concerned with his infidelity at first. I also believe she was aware he was sleeping with other women as she has stated as much.

I think there were periods where he was faithful (a few months maybe) with several women. By the time they met, he seems to have had a sort of formula for seducing young women over a period of time. Imho, it was to check them out plus he obviously enjoyed delayed gratification with some of them.

His first love was always music.

The seducing of young women began way back in 1980 with Susan Moonsie - she was 16 and he was 22. Seems he always had that down smile

Yes, of course Mayte would not have been concerned with any other women when she first arrived, as she was just 17-18 and not intimately involved with Prince - although I have no doubt that was part of Prince’s agenda. He was with many women even after they began an intimate relationship. One would hope that he was monogamous for at least the months before and after the wedding, but who really knows for sure except Prince.
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Susannah confirmed that she knew when he was cheating even though he would deny it. I think he was just too self-serving in relationships to be monogamous. It was always a double standard - he can cheat (and deny it) but she can’t. As Susannah stated, “it was always HIS way” in the relationship. That dynamic is not sustainable.
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violetcrush said:
What “other” engagement?? I have no doubt he regretted losing her though. SO many signs of it. And quite interesting that she was the last one he wanted to see/work with again before he passed.
We really don’t know who “Revelation” is written for. I will say this though: It sounds to me like a long ago love. More than just a handful of years prior. ETA: And the music was written in 2010. [Edited 10/3/19 20:47pm]

I think Revelation is a song not as much about a real person but in the same vein as the Rainbow Children story. It actually feels like it could be an outtake from that album.

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Reply #111 posted 10/04/19 5:55am

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TheTruth123 said:


violetcrush said:
What “other” engagement?? I have no doubt he regretted losing her though. SO many signs of it. And quite interesting that she was the last one he wanted to see/work with again before he passed.

We really don’t know who “Revelation” is written for. I will say this though: It sounds to me like a long ago love. More than just a handful of years prior. ETA: And the music was written in 2010. [Edited 10/3/19 20:47pm]


I think Revelation is a song not as much about a real person but in the same vein as the Rainbow Children story. It actually feels like it could be an outtake from that album.


I would have thought that as well, but I’ve listened to several of his live performances of that song, and he references a woman in all of them by using the terms “girl” and “baby” in some of the verses. It’s very apparent during his performance of it at the first P&M show.
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I think it’s a combination of both. I think he is saying that faith, wisdom, loneliness, and relationships have all brought him to a point where he can now be open and vulnerable in a relationship with a woman.
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At the PP P&M show he sang “there’s a door that you can walk through baby, where there used to be a wall. Ask me anything, as long as you catch me girl, as long as you catch me girl, whenever there’s a fall.” He whispers “ask me anything, I know you want to ask me, whatever it is...the answer is YES.”
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Reply #112 posted 10/04/19 9:54am

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all the speculation...

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Reply #113 posted 10/04/19 10:43am

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NO.

I don't argue with people about my opinions. Scram. I said what I said.
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Reply #114 posted 10/04/19 12:48pm

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mELdOURADOsELVAGEM said:


He shouldn't have used her, I always felt it was wrong. It's the principle.


I don’t think he used her. I think it is pretty clear by now, or should be to everybody, that it’s the other way around. There was something she wanted from him, and still uses that. It is so blatantly obvious it is staring us all right in the face. I am always shocked at how few people can see this.

Maybe he used her too. I don’t know. That would last us about. Or not being with someone who is your equal. He may have not meant for it to happen, but couldn’t help it at the time. He changed a lot later on.
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In all of his relationships from the 80s on, Prince was the one who had all the power. This was true with Andy as well. He was (much) older, more experienced, famous, etc. It's odd to me how people think all these women who were at least 10+ years younger than him & unknown to the general public, used him. It seems most of the time the using was mutual. Prince was not stupid & knew what he was doing.
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Those were “starter marriages”. That’s one way you learn. And grow.

“Starter marriages”??? lol lol lol I didn’t realize there are “practice runs” for marriage biggrin
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Prince was 37 when he first married. He had had several serious relationships, including an engagement (I believe the one that got away), plus a boatload of other women, and he was 43 when he married for the second time. There was no practice needed. He was plenty mature enough by his first marriage. He just was not monogamous - in any of his relationships.

Totally agree. He was never monogamous with ANY woman for any real length of time. He was smart enough to do it, he just chose not to.
And saying his two marriages were "starters" not only denegrates his wives but also speaks quite ill of him.
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Reply #116 posted 10/04/19 1:56pm

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I don’t think he used her. I think it is pretty clear by now, or should be to everybody, that it’s the other way around. There was something she wanted from him, and still uses that. It is so blatantly obvious it is staring us all right in the face. I am always shocked at how few people can see this.

Maybe he used her too. I don’t know. That would last us about. Or not being with someone who is your equal. He may have not meant for it to happen, but couldn’t help it at the time. He changed a lot later on.
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In all of his relationships from the 80s on, Prince was the one who had all the power. This was true with Andy as well. He was (much) older, more experienced, famous, etc. It's odd to me how people think all these women who were at least 10+ years younger than him & unknown to the general public, used him. It seems most of the time the using was mutual. Prince was not stupid & knew what he was doing.

Oh he absolutely knew what he was doing. I’m sure there was quite a bit of manipulative behavior, and he wanted full control. This is easier with younger girls who are not as mature or experienced. I think, prior to his becoming huge with Purple Rain, it was probably a more even playing field between him and the women, but still manipulation and control. However, by his 30’s he had the upper hand with the girls.
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By the same token, I imagine, after Purple Rain, he was dealing with often questioning whether the woman’s intentions and feelings for him were genuine
or self-serving - especially in later years.
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Reply #117 posted 10/04/19 2:03pm

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Morgaine said:

violetcrush said:


“Starter marriages”??? lol lol lol I didn’t realize there are “practice runs” for marriage biggrin
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Prince was 37 when he first married. He had had several serious relationships, including an engagement (I believe the one that got away), plus a boatload of other women, and he was 43 when he married for the second time. There was no practice needed. He was plenty mature enough by his first marriage. He just was not monogamous - in any of his relationships.

Totally agree. He was never monogamous with ANY woman for any real length of time. He was smart enough to do it, he just chose not to.
And saying his two marriages were "starters" not only denegrates his wives but also speaks quite ill of him.

I do tend to think, and I’ve said this on other threads, that his first marriage was a result of the pregnancy. However, he was plenty mature enough to make it work, and he did want kids - not sure how much at that point, but he wanted kids. It’s sad that the second marriage didn’t work, because by his mid 40’s he seemed to really want kids, and was trying to get kids involved in music.
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Reply #118 posted 10/04/19 2:57pm

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violetcrush said:

Morgaine said:



In all of his relationships from the 80s on, Prince was the one who had all the power. This was true with Andy as well. He was (much) older, more experienced, famous, etc. It's odd to me how people think all these women who were at least 10+ years younger than him & unknown to the general public, used him. It seems most of the time the using was mutual. Prince was not stupid & knew what he was doing.

Oh he absolutely knew what he was doing. I’m sure there was quite a bit of manipulative behavior, and he wanted full control. This is easier with younger girls who are not as mature or experienced. I think, prior to his becoming huge with Purple Rain, it was probably a more even playing field between him and the women, but still manipulation and control. However, by his 30’s he had the upper hand with the girls.
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By the same token, I imagine, after Purple Rain, he was dealing with often questioning whether the woman’s intentions and feelings for him were genuine
or self-serving - especially in later years.

Something u said made me think of Home, Bria Valente's song.

Of course you're scared the first time I appear
Because many seek your throne
There's no need to worry, no need to fear

And... he was up in arms

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Reply #119 posted 10/04/19 5:33pm

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violetcrush said:


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That engagement just like the "other" engagement would NEVER have turned into marriage.....



What “other” engagement?? I have no doubt he regretted losing her though. SO many signs of it. And quite interesting that she was the last one he wanted to see/work with again before he passed.

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Sheila said they had not spoken since an argument theybahd about a year before his passing. Susannah said he told her shortly before his passing he wanted to work with her. He told Jill that too at Denise’s funeral.
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