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The more I've read, and after listening to many recent interviews with those who worked with and/or had close relationships with him, the more it becomes apparent that Prince was ALWAYS music and business first. He was taping the Oprah show one week after his Son died * Think about that interview. He certainly could not sit there and tell the guy that he no longer feels the same way for his wife, and they will most likely separate, when he's being asked about a song he supposedly wrote for her which talks about what a great man he is in a relationship * Prince hated any journalist asking about his personal life anyway, which is why he pulled out that cracker. I agree music was always first for him as it was his escape, how he dealt with emotion, etc. We also know that while they were making the video & promoting The One they had a brief respite. I agree he would not have been able to say 'hey, we're not together anymore' however he was awfully gushy about it & usually seemed to change the subject or down play it if he didn't like the direction the conversation was going. It's obvious that they were having big issues & Mani was already in the picture to some extent. The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul | |
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I know he had a major album to promote, but that is just crazy to me. Most would have postponed doing press in order to take the time to process and grieve that loss. So yes, unfortunately, he seemed to always prioritize his music and his business over anything else.violetcrush said:
Probably because Manuela was willing to join the JW? It's quite hypocritical, but that is most likely the reason they accepted the situation. That's my opinion as well. I find it disturbing; no Christian denomination I'm aware of would support cheating on & divorcing one's spouse. Which leads me to question LGs intentions both as a friend & mentor. It seems awfully self serving & definitely not Christian-like. The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul | |
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TheTruth123 said: Morgaine said: Yes we now know that was exactly his reasoning for cheating while married. I often wonder what Larry & the JW elders thought of this because to date it appears it was validated & co-signed, at least to some extent. That's odd to me as representative of JW/Christian behavior. We also know she filed for divorce in early 2000. Both his wives did the filing for divorce. That is okay I believe in the JW faith. He basically put them in untenable positions ao much that they were basically forced to divorce him. He was not paying any bills on the house in Spain he bought with Mayte & locked Mani out. People can only be treated in this manner for so long before it becomes too uncomfortable. According to JW, he looks good because he wasn't the one who filed. But it seems he basically ostracized & forced both to file. Which seems to have been his MO for a long time. I respect your beliefs. I don't respect hypocrisy which seems to be what occurred with Mayte (et al). The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul | |
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Morgaine said: violetcrush said:
The more I've read, and after listening to many recent interviews with those who worked with and/or had close relationships with him, the more it becomes apparent that Prince was ALWAYS music and business first. He was taping the Oprah show one week after his Son died * Think about that interview. He certainly could not sit there and tell the guy that he no longer feels the same way for his wife, and they will most likely separate, when he's being asked about a song he supposedly wrote for her which talks about what a great man he is in a relationship * Prince hated any journalist asking about his personal life anyway, which is why he pulled out that cracker. I agree music was always first for him as it was his escape, how he dealt with emotion, etc. We also know that while they were making the video & promoting The One they had a brief respite. I agree he would not have been able to say 'hey, we're not together anymore' however he was awfully gushy about it & usually seemed to change the subject or down play it if he didn't like the direction the conversation was going. It's obvious that they were having big issues & Mani was already in the picture to some extent. Yes, but the way the host was discussing the song - reciting the lyrics and talking about what it means to find “the one”, and then asking Prince what it has meant to him - he really had no choice to answer. They were not a “yes” or “no” questions. * Interestingly, when you really look at the lyrics the song it is not about Prince finding “the one” - it’s about Prince himself being “the one” a woman would want to be with, because he treats his women the best. So, the host was not putting the song into the right context, but of course Prince was not going to sit there and explain that to him.  [Edited 10/2/19 13:44pm] | |
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Morgaine said: TheTruth123 said: Both his wives did the filing for divorce. That is okay I believe in the JW faith. He basically put them in untenable positions ao much that they were basically forced to divorce him. He was not paying any bills on the house in Spain he bought with Mayte & locked Mani out. People can only be treated in this manner for so long before it becomes too uncomfortable. According to JW, he looks good because he wasn't the one who filed. But it seems he basically ostracized & forced both to file. Which seems to have been his MO for a long time. I respect your beliefs. I don't respect hypocrisy which seems to be what occurred with Mayte (et al). I think you are on point here. His actions left them no choice but to file. In Manuela’s case Prince’s statement to the media was actually that he did not want the divorce, so he came across as more the “victim” in the marriage. Clever strategy  | |
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Morgaine said: TheTruth123 said: Both his wives did the filing for divorce. That is okay I believe in the JW faith. He basically put them in untenable positions ao much that they were basically forced to divorce him. He was not paying any bills on the house in Spain he bought with Mayte & locked Mani out. People can only be treated in this manner for so long before it becomes too uncomfortable. According to JW, he looks good because he wasn't the one who filed. But it seems he basically ostracized & forced both to file. Which seems to have been his MO for a long time. I respect your beliefs. I don't respect hypocrisy which seems to be what occurred with Mayte (et al). Yes. I just noticed at this level yesterday that he was not the one who did the filing. That is acceptable in his religion. As long as he wasn’t the one doing the divorce thing. That doesn’t mean he did not have a good cause to want to get out of these relationships. | |
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violetcrush said: Morgaine said: He basically put them in untenable positions ao much that they were basically forced to divorce him. He was not paying any bills on the house in Spain he bought with Mayte & locked Mani out. People can only be treated in this manner for so long before it becomes too uncomfortable. According to JW, he looks good because he wasn't the one who filed. But it seems he basically ostracized & forced both to file. Which seems to have been his MO for a long time. I respect your beliefs. I don't respect hypocrisy which seems to be what occurred with Mayte (et al). I think you are on point here. His actions left them no choice but to file. In Manuela’s case Prince’s statement to the media was actually that he did not want the divorce, so he came across as more the “victim” in the marriage. Clever strategy Perhaps, but we do not always know what another person’s motives are, the reasons for why they do things. | |
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TheTruth123 said: Morgaine said: I don't. Mostly because it's impossible to love two completely different people the same way. He seemed to really trust her in ways he didn't with others. Maybe because they were friends for years? Yes, I think he loved or felt for them all differently too, and for different reasons. I can see him being obsessed with Vanity and wanting to protect her but also competing with wills.. I can see him loving Mayte because of her sweetness, innocence and loyalty to him and also neither she or vanity were jealous people... I can see him being taken with Manuela’s beauty and intelligence and the hopes he had... I can see him having a quiet, sensual relationship with Bria... and I can see him wanting to be young and hip and copy Andy’s style which was something new to him after the tight relationship and problems with Mani, and appreciate the freedom of a looser friendship and the music, and keep her for his muse. I think P was in ways so “different” that we can’t even understand it. [Edited 10/1/19 15:52pm] I want to pick up off this from the other day. I remember once a poster he is saying that prince prepared some of these young women for a mate. That he was not going to be the one to stay. He couldn’t. I was just listening to Andy’s song “Don’t Ever Say.” It seems she is saying in that song that he left. I believe he did, and this is what she meant by, he also taught her about heartbreak. When you mentor someone in this intimate way, you are going to show them everything about love. The breakup hurts, but it is an actual part of it. Prince remained supportive of her music. He remained a friend. I still believe that it would not be unless he was with somebody who is equally yoked to him in spiritual maturity and life experience, who also had the other things he was looking for, that he would’ve settle down again. This is why in the RS interview he said he didn’t know if he would. [Edited 10/3/19 15:56pm] | |
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TheTruth123 said: TheTruth123 said: Yes, I think he loved or felt for them all differently too, and for different reasons. I can see him being obsessed with Vanity and wanting to protect her but also competing with wills.. I can see him loving Mayte because of her sweetness, innocence and loyalty to him and also neither she or vanity were jealous people... I can see him being taken with Manuela’s beauty and intelligence and the hopes he had... I can see him having a quiet, sensual relationship with Bria... and I can see him wanting to be young and hip and copy Andy’s style which was something new to him after the tight relationship and problems with Mani, and appreciate the freedom of a looser friendship and the music, and keep her for his muse. I think P was in ways so “different” that we can’t even understand it. [Edited 10/1/19 15:52pm] I want to pick up off this from the other day. I remember once a poster he is saying that prints prepared some of these young women for a mate. That he was not going to be the one to stay. He couldn’t. I was just listening to Andy’s song “Don’t Ever Say.” It seems she is saying in that song that he left. I believe he did, and this is what she meant by, he also taught her about heartbreak. When you mentor someone in this intimate way, you are going to show them everything about love. The breakup hurts, but it is an actual part of it. Prince remained supportive of her music. He remained a friend. I still believe that it would not be unless he was with somebody who is equally yoked to him in spiritual maturity and life experience, who also had the other things he was looking for, that he would’ve settle down again. This is why in the RS interview he said he didn’t know if he would. Prince was first engaged in ‘85, and then went on to marry twice - once in ‘96, and then again in 2001. By the end of his second marriage I would imagine he may have figured it best to stay single. He was never the “marrying kind”. It was not a spiritual issue - it was an inability to stay monogamous and to be vulnerable. Those are both key factors in sustaining a marriage. * Didn’t Andy recently come out as Lesbian?? Or Bi-sexual? If so, that may have factored in to Prince moving on, and/or Andy moving on. There was also such an enormous age gap, so to me it makes complete sense that it didn’t last. | |
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The truth is that Prince never settled down with anyone, ever...he either could not or would not. He juggled multiple women at all times. The End. Now, back to the thread topic...
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TheTruth123 said: TheTruth123 said: Yes, I think he loved or felt for them all differently too, and for different reasons. I can see him being obsessed with Vanity and wanting to protect her but also competing with wills.. I can see him loving Mayte because of her sweetness, innocence and loyalty to him and also neither she or vanity were jealous people... I can see him being taken with Manuela’s beauty and intelligence and the hopes he had... I can see him having a quiet, sensual relationship with Bria... and I can see him wanting to be young and hip and copy Andy’s style which was something new to him after the tight relationship and problems with Mani, and appreciate the freedom of a looser friendship and the music, and keep her for his muse. I think P was in ways so “different” that we can’t even understand it. [Edited 10/1/19 15:52pm] I want to pick up off this from the other day. I remember once a poster he is saying that prints prepared some of these young women for a mate. That he was not going to be the one to stay. He couldn’t. I was just listening to Andy’s song “Don’t Ever Say.” It seems she is saying in that song that he left. I believe he did, and this is what she meant by, he also taught her about heartbreak. When you mentor someone in this intimate way, you are going to show them everything about love. The breakup hurts, but it is an actual part of it. Prince remained supportive of her music. He remained a friend. I still believe that it would not be unless he was with somebody who is equally yoked to him in spiritual maturity and life experience, who also had the other things he was looking for, that he would’ve settle down again. This is why in the RS interview he said he didn’t know if he would. He shouldn't have used her, I always felt it was wrong. It's the principle.  | |
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violetcrush said: TheTruth123 said: I want to pick up off this from the other day. I remember once a poster he is saying that prints prepared some of these young women for a mate. That he was not going to be the one to stay. He couldn’t. I was just listening to Andy’s song “Don’t Ever Say.” It seems she is saying in that song that he left. I believe he did, and this is what she meant by, he also taught her about heartbreak. When you mentor someone in this intimate way, you are going to show them everything about love. The breakup hurts, but it is an actual part of it. Prince remained supportive of her music. He remained a friend. I still believe that it would not be unless he was with somebody who is equally yoked to him in spiritual maturity and life experience, who also had the other things he was looking for, that he would’ve settle down again. This is why in the RS interview he said he didn’t know if he would. Prince was first engaged in ‘85, and then went on to marry twice - once in ‘96, and then again in 2001. By the end of his second marriage I would imagine he may have figured it best to stay single. He was never the “marrying kind”. It was not a spiritual issue - it was an inability to stay monogamous and to be vulnerable. Those are both key factors in sustaining a marriage. * Didn’t Andy recently come out as Lesbian?? Or Bi-sexual? If so, that may have factored in to Prince moving on, and/or Andy moving on. There was also such an enormous age gap, so to me it makes complete sense that it didn’t last. Those were “starter marriages”. That’s one way you learn. And grow. | |
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mELdOURADOsELVAGEM said: TheTruth123 said: I want to pick up off this from the other day. I remember once a poster he is saying that prints prepared some of these young women for a mate. That he was not going to be the one to stay. He couldn’t. I was just listening to Andy’s song “Don’t Ever Say.” It seems she is saying in that song that he left. I believe he did, and this is what she meant by, he also taught her about heartbreak. When you mentor someone in this intimate way, you are going to show them everything about love. The breakup hurts, but it is an actual part of it. Prince remained supportive of her music. He remained a friend. I still believe that it would not be unless he was with somebody who is equally yoked to him in spiritual maturity and life experience, who also had the other things he was looking for, that he would’ve settle down again. This is why in the RS interview he said he didn’t know if he would. He shouldn't have used her, I always felt it was wrong. It's the principle. I don’t think he used her. I think it is pretty clear by now, or should be to everybody, that it’s the other way around. There was something she wanted from him, and still uses that. It is so blatantly obvious it is staring us all right in the face. I am always shocked at how few people can see this. Maybe he used her too. I don’t know. That would last us about. Or not being with someone who is your equal. He may have not meant for it to happen, but couldn’t help it at the time. He changed a lot later on. [Edited 10/3/19 16:00pm] | |
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TheTruth123 said: violetcrush said: Prince was first engaged in ‘85, and then went on to marry twice - once in ‘96, and then again in 2001. By the end of his second marriage I would imagine he may have figured it best to stay single. He was never the “marrying kind”. It was not a spiritual issue - it was an inability to stay monogamous and to be vulnerable. Those are both key factors in sustaining a marriage. * Didn’t Andy recently come out as Lesbian?? Or Bi-sexual? If so, that may have factored in to Prince moving on, and/or Andy moving on. There was also such an enormous age gap, so to me it makes complete sense that it didn’t last. Those were “starter marriages”. That’s one way you learn. And grow. “Starter marriages”???  I didn’t realize there are “practice runs” for marriage * Prince was 37 when he first married. He had had several serious relationships, including an engagement (I believe the one that got away), plus a boatload of other women, and he was 43 when he married for the second time. There was no practice needed. He was plenty mature enough by his first marriage. He just was not monogamous - in any of his relationships. | |
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That engagement just like the "other" engagement would NEVER have turned into marriage..... "That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when  was doing the Purple Rain tour had a lot of people who knew 'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream." |
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That engagement just like the "other" engagement would NEVER have turned into marriage..... What “other” engagement?? I have no doubt he regretted losing her though. SO many signs of it. And quite interesting that she was the last one he wanted to see/work with again before he passed. | |
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violetcrush said: ChocolateBox3121 said:
That engagement just like the "other" engagement would NEVER have turned into marriage..... What “other” engagement?? I have no doubt he regretted losing her though. SO many signs of it. And quite interesting that she was the last one he wanted to see/work with again before he passed. We really don’t know who “Revelation” is written for. I will say this though: It sounds to me like a long ago love. More than just a handful of years prior. ETA: And the music was written in 2010. [Edited 10/3/19 20:47pm] | |
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TheTruth123 said: violetcrush said: What “other” engagement?? I have no doubt he regretted losing her though. SO many signs of it. And quite interesting that she was the last one he wanted to see/work with again before he passed. We really don’t know who “Revelation” is written for. I will say this though: It sounds to me like a long ago love. More than just a handful of years prior. ETA: And the music was written in 2010. [Edited 10/3/19 20:47pm] Yes. Same with Van Gogh, Soul Sanctuary, Strange But True, Tangerine, The Breakdown, and others. Lots of songs that seem to refer to a lost love. | |
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"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when was doing the Purple Rain tour had a lot of people who knew 'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream." |
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Morgaine said: violetcrush said:
From what I have read, Vanity was actually very jealous with Prince, which is why she would flaunt her dates with other men and flirt with other men in front of Prince. It's been stated that they had major fights because of Prince's infidelity, especially within the camp itself. Associates said she would be livid when Prince would ask to see Jill or Susan instead of her on the 1999 tour. Their relationship was toxic and full of jealousy, but also very sexual. * I think Mayte was way too young to get involved with Prince, as he was 34 yrs to her 19 yrs. He could easily control and manipulate that relationship. He was dating many women when he was also sleeping with her, so really no different in terms of his relationships - except the pregnancy. I have no doubt that Mayte would have been just as jealous as any of Prince's girlfriends in dealing with knowing he was sleeping with other women while also seeing her. At her young age she may not have known though. He was an expert at keeping his affairs separate. * Manuela was a huge Prince fan, and in the right place at the right time. Prince was moving on from Mayte, and there was another young and pretty girl working at PP who was completely smitten with him. Another easy-to-control situation for Prince. She also willingly converted to JW for him, so it was a win-win-win Prince - at least until the next attractive and young girl came into the mix, who was rumored to be Tamar. * Prince was 52 yrs old when he began mentoring Andy Allo, and she was 22 yrs old. Yes, Prince was always mentally younger than his real age, but come on!! He was THIRTY years her senior. I think she was enamored with his musical genius, and wanted to be in his environment. Was she briefly smitten too? Seems that was the case based on the letter she had written him, but I just don't think theirs was any deep love affair. * I think Bria was a muse and potential protege that ended when nothing really came of her record. That, and she may have realilzed he was with other women too. * Prince was a creature of habit, and it seems he had the same pattern of behavior in all of his relationships. He was destined to be alone, because his actions/behaviors made a relationship with him unsustainable. He never changed, and the women became lonely and miserable with him.
I think Mayte, because her parents had a back & forth relationship, wasn't as concerned with his infidelity at first. I also believe she was aware he was sleeping with other women as she has stated as much. I think there were periods where he was faithful (a few months maybe) with several women. By the time they met, he seems to have had a sort of formula for seducing young women over a period of time. Imho, it was to check them out plus he obviously enjoyed delayed gratification with some of them. His first love was always music. The seducing of young women began way back in 1980 with Susan Moonsie - she was 16 and he was 22. Seems he always had that down 
Yes, of course Mayte would not have been concerned with any other women when she first arrived, as she was just 17-18 and not intimately involved with Prince - although I have no doubt that was part of Prince’s agenda. He was with many women even after they began an intimate relationship. One would hope that he was monogamous for at least the months before and after the wedding, but who really knows for sure except Prince. * Susannah confirmed that she knew when he was cheating even though he would deny it. I think he was just too self-serving in relationships to be monogamous. It was always a double standard - he can cheat (and deny it) but she can’t. As Susannah stated, “it was always HIS way” in the relationship. That dynamic is not sustainable. [Edited 10/4/19 5:10am] | |
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I think Revelation is a song not as much about a real person but in the same vein as the Rainbow Children story. It actually feels like it could be an outtake from that album. | |
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I think Revelation is a song not as much about a real person but in the same vein as the Rainbow Children story. It actually feels like it could be an outtake from that album. I would have thought that as well, but I’ve listened to several of his live performances of that song, and he references a woman in all of them by using the terms “girl” and “baby” in some of the verses. It’s very apparent during his performance of it at the first P&M show. * I think it’s a combination of both. I think he is saying that faith, wisdom, loneliness, and relationships have all brought him to a point where he can now be open and vulnerable in a relationship with a woman. * At the PP P&M show he sang “there’s a door that you can walk through baby, where there used to be a wall. Ask me anything, as long as you catch me girl, as long as you catch me girl, whenever there’s a fall.” He whispers “ask me anything, I know you want to ask me, whatever it is...the answer is YES.” * WHOOPS!! Posted This and then realized you were taking about Revelation and not The Breakdown [Edited 10/4/19 5:58am] | |
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TheTruth123 said: mELdOURADOsELVAGEM said: He shouldn't have used her, I always felt it was wrong. It's the principle. I don’t think he used her. I think it is pretty clear by now, or should be to everybody, that it’s the other way around. There was something she wanted from him, and still uses that. It is so blatantly obvious it is staring us all right in the face. I am always shocked at how few people can see this. Maybe he used her too. I don’t know. That would last us about. Or not being with someone who is your equal. He may have not meant for it to happen, but couldn’t help it at the time. He changed a lot later on. [Edited 10/3/19 16:00pm] In all of his relationships from the 80s on, Prince was the one who had all the power. This was true with Andy as well. He was (much) older, more experienced, famous, etc. It's odd to me how people think all these women who were at least 10+ years younger than him & unknown to the general public, used him. It seems most of the time the using was mutual. Prince was not stupid & knew what he was doing. The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul | |
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violetcrush said: TheTruth123 said: Those were “starter marriages”. That’s one way you learn. And grow. “Starter marriages”??? I didn’t realize there are “practice runs” for marriage * Prince was 37 when he first married. He had had several serious relationships, including an engagement (I believe the one that got away), plus a boatload of other women, and he was 43 when he married for the second time. There was no practice needed. He was plenty mature enough by his first marriage. He just was not monogamous - in any of his relationships. Totally agree. He was never monogamous with ANY woman for any real length of time. He was smart enough to do it, he just chose not to. And saying his two marriages were "starters" not only denegrates his wives but also speaks quite ill of him. The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul | |
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Morgaine said: TheTruth123 said: I don’t think he used her. I think it is pretty clear by now, or should be to everybody, that it’s the other way around. There was something she wanted from him, and still uses that. It is so blatantly obvious it is staring us all right in the face. I am always shocked at how few people can see this. Maybe he used her too. I don’t know. That would last us about. Or not being with someone who is your equal. He may have not meant for it to happen, but couldn’t help it at the time. He changed a lot later on. [Edited 10/3/19 16:00pm] In all of his relationships from the 80s on, Prince was the one who had all the power. This was true with Andy as well. He was (much) older, more experienced, famous, etc. It's odd to me how people think all these women who were at least 10+ years younger than him & unknown to the general public, used him. It seems most of the time the using was mutual. Prince was not stupid & knew what he was doing. Oh he absolutely knew what he was doing. I’m sure there was quite a bit of manipulative behavior, and he wanted full control. This is easier with younger girls who are not as mature or experienced. I think, prior to his becoming huge with Purple Rain, it was probably a more even playing field between him and the women, but still manipulation and control. However, by his 30’s he had the upper hand with the girls. * By the same token, I imagine, after Purple Rain, he was dealing with often questioning whether the woman’s intentions and feelings for him were genuine or self-serving - especially in later years. | |
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Morgaine said: violetcrush said: “Starter marriages”??? I didn’t realize there are “practice runs” for marriage * Prince was 37 when he first married. He had had several serious relationships, including an engagement (I believe the one that got away), plus a boatload of other women, and he was 43 when he married for the second time. There was no practice needed. He was plenty mature enough by his first marriage. He just was not monogamous - in any of his relationships. Totally agree. He was never monogamous with ANY woman for any real length of time. He was smart enough to do it, he just chose not to. And saying his two marriages were "starters" not only denegrates his wives but also speaks quite ill of him. I do tend to think, and I’ve said this on other threads, that his first marriage was a result of the pregnancy. However, he was plenty mature enough to make it work, and he did want kids - not sure how much at that point, but he wanted kids. It’s sad that the second marriage didn’t work, because by his mid 40’s he seemed to really want kids, and was trying to get kids involved in music. | |
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violetcrush said: Morgaine said: In all of his relationships from the 80s on, Prince was the one who had all the power. This was true with Andy as well. He was (much) older, more experienced, famous, etc. It's odd to me how people think all these women who were at least 10+ years younger than him & unknown to the general public, used him. It seems most of the time the using was mutual. Prince was not stupid & knew what he was doing. Oh he absolutely knew what he was doing. I’m sure there was quite a bit of manipulative behavior, and he wanted full control. This is easier with younger girls who are not as mature or experienced. I think, prior to his becoming huge with Purple Rain, it was probably a more even playing field between him and the women, but still manipulation and control. However, by his 30’s he had the upper hand with the girls. * By the same token, I imagine, after Purple Rain, he was dealing with often questioning whether the woman’s intentions and feelings for him were genuine or self-serving - especially in later years. Something u said made me think of Home, Bria Valente's song. Of course you're scared the first time I appear Because many seek your throne There's no need to worry, no need to fear And... he was up in arms | |
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Sheila said they had not spoken since an argument theybahd about a year before his passing. Susannah said he told her shortly before his passing he wanted to work with her. He told Jill that too at Denise’s funeral. | |
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