My Graham was the nicest person. But when I met him, I pretend I didn't know him because I didn't want him to think I was a fan or starstruck. He did the WT at his KH. Although I couldn't hear him singing because I was in back of him :-? :-D | |
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Like who? Kirk? | |
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Maybe, I wonder what Prince we would have seen if Larry did not introduce the JW to Prince. . As interesting as Prince's Princeology and religious mix could be at times, it also came across as more arrogant at times. To apologetic for his past at times. | |
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I thought she wanted him to go into 7th Day Adventists? | |
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I'm not a Mayte or Mani fan or hater. | |
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1998-1999... weird/interesting time in Prince's history. I've been re-visiting some of the live shows from these years and can't help feeling Prince was scrambling around looking for something new musically and personally. He really pushed others ahead of him (Larry, Chaka, NPG). I don't think it's a coincedence that he changed his name back to Prince in 2000. It was like a new start (same as on 07/06/93).
I saw Larry live with Prince twice: Wembley '98 and Hop Farm in '11. I have nothing but respect for him as an artist and as a friend of Prince's. I just associate 98-99 as a sad time as Prince and Mayte separated (even though he tried to hide it from the public) and it was an end of an era. I kind of lost interest 99-01 but he won me back with The Rainbow Children. 3121... Don't U Wanna Come? | |
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U have to learn to seperate the artist from the person. "That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when was doing the Purple Rain tour had a lot of people who knew 'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream." | |
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What did rlttler81 say that promted your reply? . To be honest, I think Prince the Artist was authentically the artist and the person . How do we seperate artists/person. If he was an 'actor-artist' that would be different. As in seperating the tv/movie role from the person playing it. But most other artists -musicians/visual artists tend to be who they are. Great art only comes from an authentic source. Not role players. . Like the people, some here, who tried to say, Prince's ambiguity and gender blending etc was all an act. of course on stage you take something to a different expression, but from the beginning to the end it was Prince. . Yes there are some aspects I strongly believe Prince was 'trying on' like the 1990s more harder image. There are some pieces that is acting. But for example the expression he gave us in UTCM was authentic Prince just as the expression in Purple Rain. | |
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I don´t think that people here really "hate" Larry. Most of them probably used to be fans of Larry before the late 90s and early 00s. I was never really a fan because I was too young to appreciate him in his prime years but Prince´s cover versions around 1993-95 such as The Jam, Hair and I Believe in You got me interested in Larry´s music so I bought some of his older albums and his GCS 2000 album but I think fans just had a problem with Prince playing the same old cover versions again and again and again for more than a decade, hence why many got a bit fed up, and they didn´t like him as part of the NPG which I think had very little to do with Larry´s legendary bass skills but more to do with his stage persona and how it clashed with the way Prince used to be before he met Larry. As far as the JWs are concerned, you are right that Prince was a grown man who made his own decisions but for some reason many things, including lyrics and behavior, changed when Larry became part of Prince´s camp, and we´ve had a gazillion threads and discussions here where fans outlined why they disliked Larry, and many didn´t hate him at all but just wished his influence wasn´t as big as it obviously was. Personally, I am a bit undecided because as much as I understand some fans´ criticism, I think we will never know what might have happened to Prince if he had not met Larry in the late 90s. Maybe things would have been different, maybe better, but maybe even worse. To me, he always came across as someone who Prince could rely on, someone who was there for him when he was no longer part of the mainstream media and charts.
I do not know Larry, most P fams probably don't either so I don't dislike the man, however I do dislike some of his actions. Case in point is the performance of Baby Knows. Great song but what's off to me is LG, a supposedly devout JW singing the chorus. I am not a JW, though I am very good friends with two & have asked them whether singing lyrics like She got the long dark legs (Baby knows) She got the butt that go round (Baby knows) This kind of poochie make you beg (Baby knows) Turn a dog into a hound Would be acceptable for a JW. I'll bet you all can guess they said NO. So I don't know LG. All I know is P obviously respected his opinion & work & some of LGs actions are questionable to me. As for the demise of P & Mayte's marriage, I would not blame it on LG though I do think, again, some of his actions were questionable in re their marriage. It does not appear that anyone tried to support them after the loss of their son. And yes, you can be that IN LOVE & not have it last. Upwards of 70% of couples that lose children divorce & they lost two. Imho a lack of communication is ultimately what caused their marriage to fail. Most people are a mix of positive & negative traits which includes all of Ps associates - none of us can say exactly what P, LG, Mayte, Apples, etc etc were & are thinking & feeling. I do believe that if they'd not lost a son, even if they hadn't stayed married, the relationship between P & Mayte would have continued & given him a foundation outside music. Which is sadder to me than their divorce, LG possibly manipulating P, etc. The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul | |
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I think the same thing. | |
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Everyone is always talking about Kirk not being truthful but give Larry a pass. | |
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I remember they had a 'public' falling out maybe around 2012/2013. I'll try to find the link, it was posted on the Org | |
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And tried to hide from them, when they went to his house. | |
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Now, that's interesting... "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0 | |
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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:
Everyone is always talking about Kirk not being truthful but give Larry a pass. How did Larry lied to the police – specifically? What exactly did he say that was a lie? | |
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GOOD MORNING AMERICA (1998) The Artist sat for a short interview with Kevin Newman on ABC-TV's Good Morning America morning news/talk show on July 1 (postponed from June 30) to promote the release of his new album, Newpower Soul. .
0{+> : So many different things happen 2 u when u finally connect with your soul mate. U eat better . . . Kevin: She cooks meals? 0{+> : Oh, yeah. U sleep more, u want 2 stay in the house a little more. I don't record as much as I used 2. Crystal Ball was just released, that's all old material, it's a 5-record set that's available through a 1-800 line, 1-800-NEW-FUNK, and you can also pick it up, a four-CD set, in local stores. Kevin: Alright. But you know you're quite romantic and I think that might surprise people who were familiar with your early music. I mean you're almost reverential, in fact I think you are reverential towards women. You have a line in "The One": "If U're looking' 4 a man who will make U feel like time has just begun/A man that'll make U feel like U're the only thing that ever mattered underneath the sun/I'm the one." Is that the way you feel about women now? In some ways you put "the one" on a pedestal. 0{+> : "The One" video is very special 2 Mayte and I. We tried 2 go back 2 the notion of The Garden of Eden, when there was one idea, instead of having ten women and thinking that that is equivalent to wealth, we wanted 2 just focus on the one idea and see if that would bring us our personal heaven. She did a wonderful job with the video. I'm so proud I finally found a director that I don't have 2 scream at. Kevin: Can she direct you? I would think it would be hard to work with your wife. 0{+> : No, no, no -- I completely trust her. She edits with "the one" in mind. "The one" being the choreography, the music, she makes her edits and all her shot selection based upon what it is she's trying 2 convey. That's what the song is about, it's about respecting "the one" idea, whatever that genesis is, so that u reach your revelation. Kevin: You said a minute ago that you've been writing a little bit less because of more time obviously for your family life and for romance. Has that been hard for Mayte or either yourself to sort of figure out because you're somebody who's had a creative surge in your life and to share that surge and to find a place for the love in your heart with that music, has that been an interesting process to come together? 0{+> : She represents music 2 me. She's a dancer by trade and she's inspired so much of my work. The whole second side of Emancipation is dedicated 2 her. Kevin: She brings the color to your life? 0{+> : Yeah, she brings the glint in my eye, so 2 speak.
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GOOD MORNING AMERICA (1998) The Artist sat for a short interview with Kevin Newman on ABC-TV's Good Morning America morning news/talk show on July 1 (postponed from June 30) to promote the release of his new album, Newpower Soul. .
0{+> : So many different things happen 2 u when u finally connect with your soul mate. U eat better . . . Kevin: She cooks meals? 0{+> : Oh, yeah. U sleep more, u want 2 stay in the house a little more. I don't record as much as I used 2. Crystal Ball was just released, that's all old material, it's a 5-record set that's available through a 1-800 line, 1-800-NEW-FUNK, and you can also pick it up, a four-CD set, in local stores. Kevin: Alright. But you know you're quite romantic and I think that might surprise people who were familiar with your early music. I mean you're almost reverential, in fact I think you are reverential towards women. You have a line in "The One": "If U're looking' 4 a man who will make U feel like time has just begun/A man that'll make U feel like U're the only thing that ever mattered underneath the sun/I'm the one." Is that the way you feel about women now? In some ways you put "the one" on a pedestal. 0{+> : "The One" video is very special 2 Mayte and I. We tried 2 go back 2 the notion of The Garden of Eden, when there was one idea, instead of having ten women and thinking that that is equivalent to wealth, we wanted 2 just focus on the one idea and see if that would bring us our personal heaven. She did a wonderful job with the video. I'm so proud I finally found a director that I don't have 2 scream at. Kevin: Can she direct you? I would think it would be hard to work with your wife. 0{+> : No, no, no -- I completely trust her. She edits with "the one" in mind. "The one" being the choreography, the music, she makes her edits and all her shot selection based upon what it is she's trying 2 convey. That's what the song is about, it's about respecting "the one" idea, whatever that genesis is, so that u reach your revelation. Kevin: You said a minute ago that you've been writing a little bit less because of more time obviously for your family life and for romance. Has that been hard for Mayte or either yourself to sort of figure out because you're somebody who's had a creative surge in your life and to share that surge and to find a place for the love in your heart with that music, has that been an interesting process to come together? 0{+> : She represents music 2 me. She's a dancer by trade and she's inspired so much of my work. The whole second side of Emancipation is dedicated 2 her. Kevin: She brings the color to your life? 0{+> : Yeah, she brings the glint in my eye, so 2 speak.
Do you think it is possible that he felt this at at that time and then the same way about other people later on? Mani, Bria, Andy | |
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The only problem I have with this interview is that we now know that during this time Prince and Mayte were having issues. Larry was in the mix, and I believe Manuela was also working closely with him at PP. Soon after, Mayte was moved to Spain, and Prince was spending most of his time in MN. I think this discussion is more tied to the fact that he had an album to promote, and he was being drilled about his relationship and the song. * The funniest part of this interview is when the host starts reciting Prince's lyrics back to him, and Prince pulls out a thin white cracker and starts eating it Poor guy...he clearly didn't get the memo that Prince would really not appreciate his lyrics being recited back to him by some stiff white dude | |
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^^^ Side note from a woman’s perspective: he was SO freaking cute in that clip!! Also seems that he is holding that original glitter cane that he had made in ‘86 | |
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[/quote] P is totally throwing shade here! | |
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Eating cracka's for breakfast. | |
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Of course, nothing he said in this time period into 1999 indicated they were splitting. Going back to the garden... . lol yeah I don't think Prince cared if the person was black white mixed or puerto rican, reciting lyrics back to him lol probably wouldn't mind if they were a musician though | |
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Hard to say, different people, differerent passages of time I mean in each circumstance I would suspect individuals bring out certain things. | |
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I don't know. I'll post stuff Prince said about Larry. I believe Larry Graham did introduce and guide 0(+> into Jehovah's Witness. You might not be seeing things clearly. From my understanding a person cannot just join the JW.
. Yes the changed of religious denomination and influence by an older person respected by Prince can have a changed affect on the music. Has nothing to do with respect or disrespect. I don't have to like everything Prince puts out or says. . You assume you know what happiness and friendship is between the two, but you don't know. Just like people feel the love and see it between to lover who get married. But then the two are divorced a few years or months later. . And I personally don't hate him or anyone of them. I have no reason. But I don't like so much who the connection affected the music. No we don't go to respect Larry Graham..
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Prince(r.i.p.)although he was obviously smitten with her NEVER took his relationship with Andy public. "That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when was doing the Purple Rain tour had a lot of people who knew 'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream." | |
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This piece alone tells you who prosylatized Prince. There is a lot of Larry Graham-ing in this one, like a lot of interviews from 98-2000 . . . While waiting for the Great and Powerful Oz to arrive, I chat with our hired stenographer -- who, like many, was once a Prince fan but hasn't followed his career since the late '80s. "Are there names or technical terms I should be familiar with?" Not really -- Larry Graham and "bass" are all that come to mind with the scary moment fast approaching. After reading numerous accounts of The Artist's often combative demeanor toward journalists, I was still unsure how to keep the conversation steered toward music specifics and away from his usual fashion-mag spiel: God, the millennium, and record-label wars. Without a pause: "Larry Graham. Larry Graham is my teacher." The Artist continues, veering quickly away from funk tone to God, to all of us being connected by the Spirit -- but just as suddenly he claps his hands sharply, jumps up from his seat, and bellows a joyful noise. "Why do you need a stenographer to type out 'Larry Graham'? That's my answer to your question -- it is all you need to know. Just write down 'Larry Graham' in your notebook!" The Artist invited his "older brother" to Minneapolis, set him up with a house of his own, and welcomed him into the Paisley Park family, "signing" him to a handshake-based deal with NPG Records. Before long Graham was playing with The Artist's band New Power Generation and feasting Graham Central Station on Paisley's incredible rehearsal and studio facilities. And ever since, after years of always picking up the bass for at least a few numbers per set, The Artist has hardly touched the instrument onstage. "I can't even physically reach for it anymore," he laughs. Why? "I don't know. I hope it's out of respect for Larry, and not because I feel inadequate compared to him." . Later The Artist reclined on a riser and pouted, "You might love Larry Graham, and you might love Morris Day -- but you don't love me!" . Yet The Artist has plenty to say about the dangers of ego in a musical context. "My first bass player was Andre Cymone," he remembers, "and Andre's ego always got in the way of his playing. He always played on top of the beat, and I'm convinced that was just because he wanted to be heard. Andre and I would fight every night, because I was always trying to get him to sound like Larry Graham. Larry's happy just going [mimics thumping open-string quarter-notes] -- he's not interested in showing off. When you're showing off it means you aren't listening." | |
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ChocolateBox3121 said:
Prince(r.i.p.)although he was obviously smitten with her NEVER took his relationship with Andy public. Why do thou think that is? | |
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