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Reply #180 posted 02/11/19 11:25pm

Mumio

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violetcrush said:

Mumio said:

Prince's discussion with a journalist for Time Out magazine in March 1995:


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’Aaaah.’ Big pause. He looks away. All right then. What about marriage, then? Any plans to singlehandedly put Durex out of business by having lots of little princes?

’Not really,’ smirks the compact sex symbol. ’I decided that things like family don’t have a big part to play in my future. I’m dedicated to music, to the point that I see all of life through it.’



Violetcrush, would you have a link to this article you are referring to here?



Mumio, here is the link - from Time Out mag U.K. Great article and interview.. * https://sites.google.com/...march-1995


Thanks very much, appreciate it. Never seen the article or those specific statements he made before, but it sums up exactly what I've always thought. Didn't consider himself the marrying kind. And he wasn't.

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #181 posted 02/12/19 3:51am

pinkcashmere23

violetcrush said:

Mumio said:



Violetcrush, would you have a link to this article you are referring to here?



Mumio, here is the link - from Time Out mag U.K. Great article and interview.. * https://sites.google.com/...march-1995

I vaguely remember that article, Thanks for the link violet! Good interview.

[Edited 2/12/19 3:59am]

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Reply #182 posted 02/12/19 5:37am

violetcrush

Mumio said:

violetcrush said:

Mumio said: Mumio, here is the link - from Time Out mag U.K. Great article and interview.. * https://sites.google.com/...march-1995


Thanks very much, appreciate it. Never seen the article or those specific statements he made before, but it sums up exactly what I've always thought. Didn't consider himself the marrying kind. And he wasn't.

You're welcome! There were some very good interviews/articles during this period. It was a very rough time for him. Journalists were posing as "serious" interviewers, but then mocking him in their writing. Both the media and fans were very confused as to what he was doing at that time.

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Reply #183 posted 02/12/19 5:38am

violetcrush

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

Mumio said: Mumio, here is the link - from Time Out mag U.K. Great article and interview.. * https://sites.google.com/...march-1995

I vaguely remember that article, Thanks for the link violet! Good interview.

[Edited 2/12/19 3:59am]

You're welcome Pink!!!

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Reply #184 posted 02/12/19 6:02am

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NorthC said:

The true love of his life was Prince.

Undisputeable, that is the bottom line.
No More Haters on the Internet.
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Reply #185 posted 02/12/19 6:07am

violetcrush

littlemissG said:

NorthC said:
The true love of his life was Prince.
Undisputeable, that is the bottom line.

Not arguing that point at all!! I will just add the words music and his guitar to that statement biggrin

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I do though, still go by the songs with regard to who may have held a deeper place in his heart, or at least inspired him to write more meaningful and thought-provoking lyrics.

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Reply #186 posted 02/12/19 6:21am

pinkcashmere23

violetcrush said:

littlemissG said:

NorthC said: Undisputeable, that is the bottom line.

Not arguing that point at all!! I will just add the words music and his guitar to that statement biggrin

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I do though, still go by the songs with regard to who may have held a deeper place in his heart, or at least inspired him to write more meaningful and thought-provoking lyrics.

yes

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Reply #187 posted 02/12/19 6:24am

violetcrush

violetcrush said:

littlemissG said:

NorthC said: Undisputeable, that is the bottom line.

Not arguing that point at all!! I will just add the words music and his guitar to that statement biggrin

*

I do though, still go by the songs with regard to who may have held a deeper place in his heart, or at least inspired him to write more meaningful and thought-provoking lyrics.

I'll just leave a couple of song lyrics here:

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From Shockadelica: "get up bitch! You be layin' on my guitar, NASTY BITCH!!"

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From Guitar: "I love you baby, but not like a love my guitar..."

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lol cool razz wildsign music prince

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Reply #188 posted 02/12/19 6:39am

violetcrush

violetcrush said:

violetcrush said:

Not arguing that point at all!! I will just add the words music and his guitar to that statement biggrin

*

I do though, still go by the songs with regard to who may have held a deeper place in his heart, or at least inspired him to write more meaningful and thought-provoking lyrics.

I'll just leave a couple of song lyrics here:

*

From Shockadelica: "get up bitch! You be layin' on my guitar, NASTY BITCH!!"

*

From Guitar: "I love you baby, but not like a love my guitar..."

*

lol cool razz wildsign music prince

BUT.....then you have lyrics like this:

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Empty Room: "Found a strand of your hair by the bathroom window, how am I ever gonna get you off my mind....lonely hearts, worlds apart, why then should they be broken? I gotta find a way to fill this empty room...love is strong however long, we should've been forever..."

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Adore: "Until the end of time, I'll be there for you. You own my heart and mind, I truly adore you. If God one day struck my blind your beauty I'd still see. Love is too weak to define just what you mean to me..."

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Those words and the music to those songs had to come from somewhere at least a little deeper in his head and heart. They're just too full of depth!!! love

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Reply #189 posted 02/12/19 7:49am

pinkcashmere23

violetcrush said:

violetcrush said:

I'll just leave a couple of song lyrics here:

*

From Shockadelica: "get up bitch! You be layin' on my guitar, NASTY BITCH!!"

*

From Guitar: "I love you baby, but not like a love my guitar..."

*

lol cool razz wildsign music prince

BUT.....then you have lyrics like this:

*

Empty Room: "Found a strand of your hair by the bathroom window, how am I ever gonna get you off my mind....lonely hearts, worlds apart, why then should they be broken? I gotta find a way to fill this empty room...love is strong however long, we should've been forever..."

*

Adore: "Until the end of time, I'll be there for you. You own my heart and mind, I truly adore you. If God one day struck my blind your beauty I'd still see. Love is too weak to define just what you mean to me..."

*

Those words and the music to those songs had to come from somewhere at least a little deeper in his head and heart. They're just too full of depth!!! love

True! I love that he wrote quite profound lyrics along with the shallow and frivolous and that there was usually a mix of the two on each album.

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Reply #190 posted 02/12/19 10:51am

violetcrush

pinkcashmere23 said:



violetcrush said:




violetcrush said:




I'll just leave a couple of song lyrics here:


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From Shockadelica: "get up bitch! You be layin' on my guitar, NASTY BITCH!!"


*


From Guitar: "I love you baby, but not like a love my guitar..."


*


lol cool razz wildsign music prince




BUT.....then you have lyrics like this:


*


Empty Room: "Found a strand of your hair by the bathroom window, how am I ever gonna get you off my mind....lonely hearts, worlds apart, why then should they be broken? I gotta find a way to fill this empty room...love is strong however long, we should've been forever..."


*


Adore: "Until the end of time, I'll be there for you. You own my heart and mind, I truly adore you. If God one day struck my blind your beauty I'd still see. Love is too weak to define just what you mean to me..."


*


Those words and the music to those songs had to come from somewhere at least a little deeper in his head and heart. They're just too full of depth!!! love



True! I love that he wrote quite profound lyrics along with the shallow and frivolous and that there was usually a mix of the two on each album.


Yes, master of both the shallow and the deep with his lyrics smile
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Reply #191 posted 02/12/19 10:54am

VNP

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I believe the love of his like was Denise Matthews(Vanity).Sure he was married twice. Mani even resembled Vanity. When he was on your and found out about her death he dedicated most of the concert to her. Even rearranged his tour to be in town for her funeral.He never got over her and she said he was the love of her life. Then he dies a few months after her. I don't think it's a coincidence. He even tried to get her back before she married in 1995. May they RIP together.
[Edited 1/22/19 12:15pm]


Yes Denise Vanity Matthews was the love of his life. Hands down! People always try to down play her role in his life.
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Reply #192 posted 02/12/19 11:26am

pinkcashmere23

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

True! I love that he wrote quite profound lyrics along with the shallow and frivolous and that there was usually a mix of the two on each album.

Yes, master of both the shallow and the deep with his lyrics smile

He was. I think the Emancipation album is a good example of that.

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Reply #193 posted 02/12/19 12:59pm

violetcrush

VNP said:

Djohnson said:
I believe the love of his like was Denise Matthews(Vanity).Sure he was married twice. Mani even resembled Vanity. When he was on your and found out about her death he dedicated most of the concert to her. Even rearranged his tour to be in town for her funeral.He never got over her and she said he was the love of her life. Then he dies a few months after her. I don't think it's a coincidence. He even tried to get her back before she married in 1995. May they RIP together. [Edited 1/22/19 12:15pm]
Yes Denise Vanity Matthews was the love of his life. Hands down! People always try to down play her role in his life.

No downplaying here, just being realistic with the history. They dated for only 1 1/2 yrs, and during that time Prince was still sleeping with Susan and Jill, as well as, other women he met on the road. They had volatile fights due to jealousy, control and age (they were only 21-22 yrs old), and she got heavily into drugs. She left him because of his cheating and also for a better opportunity/more money - same as most of the other women. This has all been documented numerous times, and Vanity herself has discussed it in multiple interviews. She hated what she had to do as Vanity 6, and she was constantly objectified by the industry throughout her time as a singer/actress.

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There is no doubt that he was taken with her beauty, and wanted to be with her. However, he also used her for what he wanted to create, which was the protege girl group as another outlet for his music and a way to make more money. She had zero experience as a singer or performer. Prince convinced her to take on the role, and then controlled everything involved. She wore what she was told to wear, and she sang what she was told to sing.

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Vanity on leaving the camp right before filming PR (from Alan Light's book): "They wouldn't pay me enough money to go through with the crap I would have had to go through".

[Edited 2/12/19 12:59pm]

[Edited 2/12/19 13:21pm]

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Reply #194 posted 02/13/19 9:09am

VNP

violetcrush said:



VNP said:


Djohnson said:
I believe the love of his like was Denise Matthews(Vanity).Sure he was married twice. Mani even resembled Vanity. When he was on your and found out about her death he dedicated most of the concert to her. Even rearranged his tour to be in town for her funeral.He never got over her and she said he was the love of her life. Then he dies a few months after her. I don't think it's a coincidence. He even tried to get her back before she married in 1995. May they RIP together. [Edited 1/22/19 12:15pm]

Yes Denise Vanity Matthews was the love of his life. Hands down! People always try to down play her role in his life.


No downplaying here, just being realistic with the history. They dated for only 1 1/2 yrs, and during that time Prince was still sleeping with Susan and Jill, as well as, other women he met on the road. They had volatile fights due to jealousy, control and age (they were only 21-22 yrs old), and she got heavily into drugs. She left him because of his cheating and also for a better opportunity/more money - same as most of the other women. This has all been documented numerous times, and Vanity herself has discussed it in multiple interviews. She hated what she had to do as Vanity 6, and she was constantly objectified by the industry throughout her time as a singer/actress.


*


There is no doubt that he was taken with her beauty, and wanted to be with her. However, he also used her for what he wanted to create, which was the protege girl group as another outlet for his music and a way to make more money. She had zero experience as a singer or performer. Prince convinced her to take on the role, and then controlled everything involved. She wore what she was told to wear, and she sang what she was told to sing.


*


Vanity on leaving the camp right before filming PR (from Alan Light's book): "They wouldn't pay me enough money to go through with the crap I would have had to go through".


[Edited 2/12/19 12:59pm]

[Edited 2/12/19 13:21pm]




She was a incredible force in his life she remained dear to him from 1982 to the time of her death. They loved each other deeply...most of his most romantic songs were inspired by Denise. The love was mutual. She loved him until the day she left this world. If Denise was just a fling her death would not have hurt him so. He would not have reacted in the way he did. He had a very difficult time getting through his concert upon finding out about her passing.
He dedicated most of his concert to her. He spoke loving of her. He attended her funeral he rearranged his concert so that he could be in the area. Since both of their passings. There have been people close to them come out and state that she was his true love and he her's.
It's undeniable. He had grown she had grown. He wasn't that same 24 yr old. He was brokenhearted when she left before PR. Hence the wonderful emotional lyrics to the BO's. She was that special one. He was married to another but making statements like "everyone thought that I would marry Vanity" come on who does that? His 2nd wife looked so much like Denise. Damn he even made a song about that! There was no woman or thing that touched his heart the way Denise did. After each marriage he wrote songs about Denise explaining his actions expressing his love for her. Denise had his mind and heart. He never would have married his first wife if Denise had not married. He was looking for Denise in his 2nd wife. His own family member said Denise Matthews was the love of his life! And finally it's NO coincidence that they passed so closely. There is heartache/broken heartedness when someone close passes. I believe that's what he was experiencing.....RIP to this eternal couple.PRINCE AND DENISE❤❤
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Reply #195 posted 02/13/19 9:25am

pinkcashmere23

VNP said:

violetcrush said:

No downplaying here, just being realistic with the history. They dated for only 1 1/2 yrs, and during that time Prince was still sleeping with Susan and Jill, as well as, other women he met on the road. They had volatile fights due to jealousy, control and age (they were only 21-22 yrs old), and she got heavily into drugs. She left him because of his cheating and also for a better opportunity/more money - same as most of the other women. This has all been documented numerous times, and Vanity herself has discussed it in multiple interviews. She hated what she had to do as Vanity 6, and she was constantly objectified by the industry throughout her time as a singer/actress.

*

There is no doubt that he was taken with her beauty, and wanted to be with her. However, he also used her for what he wanted to create, which was the protege girl group as another outlet for his music and a way to make more money. She had zero experience as a singer or performer. Prince convinced her to take on the role, and then controlled everything involved. She wore what she was told to wear, and she sang what she was told to sing.

*

Vanity on leaving the camp right before filming PR (from Alan Light's book): "They wouldn't pay me enough money to go through with the crap I would have had to go through".

[Edited 2/12/19 12:59pm]

[Edited 2/12/19 13:21pm]

She was a incredible force in his life she remained dear to him from 1982 to the time of her death. They loved each other deeply...most of his most romantic songs were inspired by Denise. The love was mutual. She loved him until the day she left this world. If Denise was just a fling her death would not have hurt him so. He would not have reacted in the way he did. He had a very difficult time getting through his concert upon finding out about her passing. He dedicated most of his concert to her. He spoke loving of her. He attended her funeral he rearranged his concert so that he could be in the area. Since both of their passings. There have been people close to them come out and state that she was his true love and he her's. It's undeniable. He had grown she had grown. He wasn't that same 24 yr old. He was brokenhearted when she left before PR. Hence the wonderful emotional lyrics to the BO's. She was that special one. He was married to another but making statements like "everyone that I would marry Vanity" come on who does that? His 2nd wife looked so much like Denise. Damn he even made a song about that! There was no woman or thing that touched his heart the way Denise did. After each marriage he wrote songs about Denise explaining his actions expressing his love for her. Denise had his mind and heart. He never would have married his first wife if Denise had not married. He was looking for Denise in his 2nd wife. His own family member said Denise Matthews was the love of his life! And finally it's NO coincidence that they passed so closely. There is heartache/broken heartedness when someone close passes. I believe that's what he was experiencing......RIP to this eternal couple.PRINCE AND DENISE❤❤

I think Prince seemed to be reminiscing about their time together during the P&M shows in Australia and Oakland. She was so serious about her faith and her relationship with Jesus,I can't imagine that she continued to think of Prince as a romantic interest or any other man for that matter. I think she would have made a wonderful wife for him if he had been on the same page as her spiritually.

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Reply #196 posted 02/13/19 9:46am

VNP

pinkcashmere23 said:



VNP said:


violetcrush said:



No downplaying here, just being realistic with the history. They dated for only 1 1/2 yrs, and during that time Prince was still sleeping with Susan and Jill, as well as, other women he met on the road. They had volatile fights due to jealousy, control and age (they were only 21-22 yrs old), and she got heavily into drugs. She left him because of his cheating and also for a better opportunity/more money - same as most of the other women. This has all been documented numerous times, and Vanity herself has discussed it in multiple interviews. She hated what she had to do as Vanity 6, and she was constantly objectified by the industry throughout her time as a singer/actress.


*


There is no doubt that he was taken with her beauty, and wanted to be with her. However, he also used her for what he wanted to create, which was the protege girl group as another outlet for his music and a way to make more money. She had zero experience as a singer or performer. Prince convinced her to take on the role, and then controlled everything involved. She wore what she was told to wear, and she sang what she was told to sing.


*


Vanity on leaving the camp right before filming PR (from Alan Light's book): "They wouldn't pay me enough money to go through with the crap I would have had to go through".


[Edited 2/12/19 12:59pm]


[Edited 2/12/19 13:21pm]



She was a incredible force in his life she remained dear to him from 1982 to the time of her death. They loved each other deeply...most of his most romantic songs were inspired by Denise. The love was mutual. She loved him until the day she left this world. If Denise was just a fling her death would not have hurt him so. He would not have reacted in the way he did. He had a very difficult time getting through his concert upon finding out about her passing. He dedicated most of his concert to her. He spoke loving of her. He attended her funeral he rearranged his concert so that he could be in the area. Since both of their passings. There have been people close to them come out and state that she was his true love and he her's. It's undeniable. He had grown she had grown. He wasn't that same 24 yr old. He was brokenhearted when she left before PR. Hence the wonderful emotional lyrics to the BO's. She was that special one. He was married to another but making statements like "everyone thought that I would marry Vanity" come on who does that? His 2nd wife looked so much like Denise. Damn he even made a song about that! There was no woman or thing that touched his heart the way Denise did. After each marriage he wrote songs about Denise explaining his actions expressing his love for her. Denise had his mind and heart. He never would have married his first wife if Denise had not married. He was looking for Denise in his 2nd wife. His own family member said Denise Matthews was the love of his life! And finally it's NO coincidence that they passed so closely. There is heartache/broken heartedness when someone close passes. I believe that's what he was experiencing.....RIP to this eternal couple.PRINCE AND DENISE❤❤

I think Prince seemed to be reminiscing about their time together during the P&M shows in Australia and Oakland. She was so serious about her faith and her relationship with Jesus,I can't imagine that she continued to think of Prince as a romantic interest or any other man for that matter. I think she would have made a wonderful wife for him if he had been on the same page as her spiritually.



Yes she loved Jesus but she loved Prince as well. Her best friend stated after her passing that Prince was the love of her life. She loved him until the day she left this world. Her passing was an incredible loss for him. Their love was mutual.
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Reply #197 posted 02/13/19 9:54am

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Yall need to stop with this stuff.

Now I understand more clearly why bad men are able to use and manipulate women so easily.

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What's the matter with your life
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Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
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Reply #198 posted 02/13/19 9:59am

pinkcashmere23

VNP said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I think Prince seemed to be reminiscing about their time together during the P&M shows in Australia and Oakland. She was so serious about her faith and her relationship with Jesus,I can't imagine that she continued to think of Prince as a romantic interest or any other man for that matter. I think she would have made a wonderful wife for him if he had been on the same page as her spiritually.

Yes she loved Jesus but she loved Prince as well. Her best friend stated after her passing that Prince was the love of her life. She loved him until the day she left this world. Her passing was an incredible loss for him. Their love was mutual. [Edited 2/13/19 9:48am]

I know that she was praying ardently for him and seemed to express concern for him in the post on her IG in 2014 with the jelly fish tentacles enveloping his photo. I thought when I saw an interview with her on TBN in the mid 2000's that she would have made a good wife for him if he had been ready to settle down and become as serious as she was about his faith. I have a feeling that Denise would have not settled for less.

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Reply #199 posted 02/13/19 10:53am

VNP

pinkcashmere23 said:



VNP said:


pinkcashmere23 said:


I think Prince seemed to be reminiscing about their time together during the P&M shows in Australia and Oakland. She was so serious about her faith and her relationship with Jesus,I can't imagine that she continued to think of Prince as a romantic interest or any other man for that matter. I think she would have made a wonderful wife for him if he had been on the same page as her spiritually.



Yes she loved Jesus but she loved Prince as well. Her best friend stated after her passing that Prince was the love of her life. She loved him until the day she left this world. Her passing was an incredible loss for him. Their love was mutual. [Edited 2/13/19 9:48am]

I know that she was praying ardently for him and seemed to express concern for him in the post on her IG in 2014 with the jelly fish tentacles enveloping his photo. I thought when I saw an interview with her on TBN in the mid 2000's that she would have made a good wife for him if he had been ready to settle down and become as serious as she was about his faith. I have a feeling that Denise would have not settled for less.




You're right she would have made a wonderful wife for him. Always thought that Prince was continuing to work on himself. He was still maturing. Hey some of us never grow up😊
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Reply #200 posted 02/13/19 1:26pm

pinkcashmere23

VNP said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I know that she was praying ardently for him and seemed to express concern for him in the post on her IG in 2014 with the jelly fish tentacles enveloping his photo. I thought when I saw an interview with her on TBN in the mid 2000's that she would have made a good wife for him if he had been ready to settle down and become as serious as she was about his faith. I have a feeling that Denise would have not settled for less.

You're right she would have made a wonderful wife for him. Always thought that Prince was continuing to work on himself. He was still maturing. Hey some of us never grow up😊

Very true. I admire Denise's growth and dedication to her faith. She was an inspiration to me and a wonderful example of a true woman of God.

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Reply #201 posted 02/13/19 2:05pm

violetcrush

VNP said:

violetcrush said:

No downplaying here, just being realistic with the history. They dated for only 1 1/2 yrs, and during that time Prince was still sleeping with Susan and Jill, as well as, other women he met on the road. They had volatile fights due to jealousy, control and age (they were only 21-22 yrs old), and she got heavily into drugs. She left him because of his cheating and also for a better opportunity/more money - same as most of the other women. This has all been documented numerous times, and Vanity herself has discussed it in multiple interviews. She hated what she had to do as Vanity 6, and she was constantly objectified by the industry throughout her time as a singer/actress.

*

There is no doubt that he was taken with her beauty, and wanted to be with her. However, he also used her for what he wanted to create, which was the protege girl group as another outlet for his music and a way to make more money. She had zero experience as a singer or performer. Prince convinced her to take on the role, and then controlled everything involved. She wore what she was told to wear, and she sang what she was told to sing.

*

Vanity on leaving the camp right before filming PR (from Alan Light's book): "They wouldn't pay me enough money to go through with the crap I would have had to go through".

[Edited 2/12/19 12:59pm]

[Edited 2/12/19 13:21pm]

She was a incredible force in his life she remained dear to him from 1982 to the time of her death. They loved each other deeply...most of his most romantic songs were inspired by Denise. The love was mutual. She loved him until the day she left this world. If Denise was just a fling her death would not have hurt him so. He would not have reacted in the way he did. He had a very difficult time getting through his concert upon finding out about her passing. He dedicated most of his concert to her. He spoke loving of her. He attended her funeral he rearranged his concert so that he could be in the area. Since both of their passings. There have been people close to them come out and state that she was his true love and he her's. It's undeniable. He had grown she had grown. He wasn't that same 24 yr old. He was brokenhearted when she left before PR. Hence the wonderful emotional lyrics to the BO's. She was that special one. He was married to another but making statements like "everyone thought that I would marry Vanity" come on who does that? His 2nd wife looked so much like Denise. Damn he even made a song about that! There was no woman or thing that touched his heart the way Denise did. After each marriage he wrote songs about Denise explaining his actions expressing his love for her. Denise had his mind and heart. He never would have married his first wife if Denise had not married. He was looking for Denise in his 2nd wife. His own family member said Denise Matthews was the love of his life! And finally it's NO coincidence that they passed so closely. There is heartache/broken heartedness when someone close passes. I believe that's what he was experiencing......RIP to this eternal couple.PRINCE AND DENISE❤❤ [Edited 2/13/19 9:33am]

AGAIN....you are fantasizing and romanticizing a situation that did not exist. Denise had not seen nor spoken to Prince in many years prior to her passing - per an interview that she did in 2012 to promote the re-issue of her book Blame It On Vanity. She was asked if she still saw or spoke to Prince, and she jokingly replied, "through osmosis", as in they did not see or speak to each other. She stated it had been several years since she had talked to him.

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Prince was informed just hours before his Melbourne P&M show that Deinise had passed. So, naturally he was very upset and was grieving during the concert. Of course he would dedicate some songs to her,however, he did not dedicate the entire concert to her. He spoke about her, told a funny story, and said they USED to love each other deeply. I have no doubt if Susannah, Sheila, Jill Jones, or Susan Moonsie had passed he would have been equally upset and would have honored them the same way at the show. Prince was reminiscing about many things during those shows. He mentioned his Father giving him rythm. He wanted to "show love for Wendy and Lisa" and spoke about meeting Lisa Coleman at his first P&M show at PP. He explained the meaning of If I Was Your Girlfriend - which he wrote for Susannah Melvoin - at the last show in Atlanta, and he mixed that with Waiting In Vain in several shows. He changed the lyric in Forever In My Life - another one written for Susannah - to "I love you for the rest of my life.." at the Auckland P&M show. So, it wasn't just Denise he sang or spoke about during those concerts.

*

Prince rearranged his Oakland show so he could get together with Apollonia, Jill, Brenda and Susan after the Memorial and his concert. Apollonia wrote about it on her FB page. From what I understand he did not attend the Memorial, which makes sense because him being there would have taken the attention away from honoring Denise. However, he did invite the girls to his show, and they got together after the concert.

*

Prince DID NOT die because Denise passed away, nor did he die of a broken heart. He clearly had been in ill health for quite some time, as he was extremely thin (112 lbs) for some time before his death. Prince had been planning other shows and future recordings. Denise had been a born again Christian many years prior to Prince turning to the JW faith. She was not a JW, therefore, Prince would not have connected with her in that regard either. They do not accept any other faith but their own.

*

Prince had many love songs throughout the 80's, 90's and beyond that were in fact NOT inspired by Denise, and we know this. Please stop with the fairytale fiction!!! If Prince had wanted to be with Denise he would have been with her - period. She moved on to other relationships and then got married. Prince moved on as well. His comment on Oprah was, "everyone THOUGHT I would marry Vanity..." meaning, those who thought that were wrong. In no way was that comment implying that he really wanted to marry her. Just amazing how people come up with their own narrative to his story.

[Edited 2/13/19 14:12pm]

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violetcrush said:

VNP said:

violetcrush said: She was a incredible force in his life she remained dear to him from 1982 to the time of her death. They loved each other deeply...most of his most romantic songs were inspired by Denise. The love was mutual. She loved him until the day she left this world. If Denise was just a fling her death would not have hurt him so. He would not have reacted in the way he did. He had a very difficult time getting through his concert upon finding out about her passing. He dedicated most of his concert to her. He spoke loving of her. He attended her funeral he rearranged his concert so that he could be in the area. Since both of their passings. There have been people close to them come out and state that she was his true love and he her's. It's undeniable. He had grown she had grown. He wasn't that same 24 yr old. He was brokenhearted when she left before PR. Hence the wonderful emotional lyrics to the BO's. She was that special one. He was married to another but making statements like "everyone thought that I would marry Vanity" come on who does that? His 2nd wife looked so much like Denise. Damn he even made a song about that! There was no woman or thing that touched his heart the way Denise did. After each marriage he wrote songs about Denise explaining his actions expressing his love for her. Denise had his mind and heart. He never would have married his first wife if Denise had not married. He was looking for Denise in his 2nd wife. His own family member said Denise Matthews was the love of his life! And finally it's NO coincidence that they passed so closely. There is heartache/broken heartedness when someone close passes. I believe that's what he was experiencing......RIP to this eternal couple.PRINCE AND DENISE❤❤ [Edited 2/13/19 9:33am]

AGAIN....you are fantasizing and romanticizing a situation that did not exist. Denise had not seen nor spoken to Prince in many years prior to her passing - per an interview that she did in 2012 to promote the re-issue of her book Blame It On Vanity. She was asked if she still saw or spoke to Prince, and she jokingly replied, "through osmosis", as in they did not see or speak to each other. She stated it had been several years since she had talked to him.

*

Prince was informed just hours before his Melbourne P&M show that Deinise had passed. So, naturally he was very upset and was grieving during the concert. Of course he would dedicate some songs to her,however, he did not dedicate the entire concert to her. He spoke about her, told a funny story, and said they USED to love each other deeply. I have no doubt if Susannah, Sheila, Jill Jones, or Susan Moonsie had passed he would have been equally upset and would have honored them the same way at the show. Prince was reminiscing about many things during those shows. He mentioned his Father giving him rythm. He wanted to "show love for Wendy and Lisa" and spoke about meeting Lisa Coleman at his first P&M show at PP. He explained the meaning of If I Was Your Girlfriend - which he wrote for Susannah Melvoin - at the last show in Atlanta, and he mixed that with Waiting In Vain in several shows. He changed the lyric in Forever In My Life - another one written for Susannah - to "I love you for the rest of my life.." at the Auckland P&M show. So, it wasn't just Denise he sang or spoke about during those concerts.

*

Prince rearranged his Oakland show so he could get together with Apollonia, Jill, Brenda and Susan after the Memorial and his concert. Apollonia wrote about it on her FB page. From what I understand he did not attend the Memorial, which makes sense because him being there would have taken the attention away from honoring Denise. However, he did invite the girls to his show, and they got together after the concert.

*

Prince DID NOT die because Denise passed away, nor did he die of a broken heart. He clearly had been in ill health for quite some time, as he was extremely thin (112 lbs) for some time before his death. Prince had been planning other shows and future recordings. Denise had been a born again Christian many years prior to Prince turning to the JW faith. She was not a JW, therefore, Prince would not have connected with her in that regard either. They do not accept any other faith but their own.

*

Prince had many love songs throughout the 80's, 90's and beyond that were in fact NOT inspired by Denise, and we know this. Please stop with the fairytale fiction!!! If Prince had wanted to be with Denise he would have been with her - period. She moved on to other relationships and then got married. Prince moved on as well. His comment on Oprah was, "everyone THOUGHT I would marry Vanity..." meaning, those who thought that were wrong. In no way was that comment implying that he really wanted to marry her. Just amazing how people come up with their own narrative to his story.

[Edited 2/13/19 14:12pm]

Yes,Prince had been ill for some time going by his appearance and I believe it's likely from what was said by those close to him prior to his passing,that his body may have been close to shutting down. I spoke with someone today who said they attended his last show in Atlanta and he commented on how thin he was and said he did not look well. He said it was a beautiful show but you could tell that he was struggling a bit to get through it.

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Reply #203 posted 02/13/19 6:09pm

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pinkcashmere23 said:



violetcrush said:




VNP said:


violetcrush said: She was a incredible force in his life she remained dear to him from 1982 to the time of her death. They loved each other deeply...most of his most romantic songs were inspired by Denise. The love was mutual. She loved him until the day she left this world. If Denise was just a fling her death would not have hurt him so. He would not have reacted in the way he did. He had a very difficult time getting through his concert upon finding out about her passing. He dedicated most of his concert to her. He spoke loving of her. He attended her funeral he rearranged his concert so that he could be in the area. Since both of their passings. There have been people close to them come out and state that she was his true love and he her's. It's undeniable. He had grown she had grown. He wasn't that same 24 yr old. He was brokenhearted when she left before PR. Hence the wonderful emotional lyrics to the BO's. She was that special one. He was married to another but making statements like "everyone thought that I would marry Vanity" come on who does that? His 2nd wife looked so much like Denise. Damn he even made a song about that! There was no woman or thing that touched his heart the way Denise did. After each marriage he wrote songs about Denise explaining his actions expressing his love for her. Denise had his mind and heart. He never would have married his first wife if Denise had not married. He was looking for Denise in his 2nd wife. His own family member said Denise Matthews was the love of his life! And finally it's NO coincidence that they passed so closely. There is heartache/broken heartedness when someone close passes. I believe that's what he was experiencing.....RIP to this eternal couple.PRINCE AND DENISE❤❤ [Edited 2/13/19 9:33am]


AGAIN....you are fantasizing and romanticizing a situation that did not exist. Denise had not seen nor spoken to Prince in many years prior to her passing - per an interview that she did in 2012 to promote the re-issue of her book Blame It On Vanity. She was asked if she still saw or spoke to Prince, and she jokingly replied, "through osmosis", as in they did not see or speak to each other. She stated it had been several years since she had talked to him.


*


Prince was informed just hours before his Melbourne P&M show that Deinise had passed. So, naturally he was very upset and was grieving during the concert. Of course he would dedicate some songs to her,however, he did not dedicate the entire concert to her. He spoke about her, told a funny story, and said they USED to love each other deeply. I have no doubt if Susannah, Sheila, Jill Jones, or Susan Moonsie had passed he would have been equally upset and would have honored them the same way at the show. Prince was reminiscing about many things during those shows. He mentioned his Father giving him rythm. He wanted to "show love for Wendy and Lisa" and spoke about meeting Lisa Coleman at his first P&M show at PP. He explained the meaning of If I Was Your Girlfriend - which he wrote for Susannah Melvoin - at the last show in Atlanta, and he mixed that with Waiting In Vain in several shows. He changed the lyric in Forever In My Life - another one written for Susannah - to "I love you for the rest of my life.." at the Auckland P&M show. So, it wasn't just Denise he sang or spoke about during those concerts.


*


Prince rearranged his Oakland show so he could get together with Apollonia, Jill, Brenda and Susan after the Memorial and his concert. Apollonia wrote about it on her FB page. From what I understand he did not attend the Memorial, which makes sense because him being there would have taken the attention away from honoring Denise. However, he did invite the girls to his show, and they got together after the concert.


*


Prince DID NOT die because Denise passed away, nor did he die of a broken heart. He clearly had been in ill health for quite some time, as he was extremely thin (112 lbs) for some time before his death. Prince had been planning other shows and future recordings. Denise had been a born again Christian many years prior to Prince turning to the JW faith. She was not a JW, therefore, Prince would not have connected with her in that regard either. They do not accept any other faith but their own.


*


Prince had many love songs throughout the 80's, 90's and beyond that were in fact NOT inspired by Denise, and we know this. Please stop with the fairytale fiction!!! If Prince had wanted to be with Denise he would have been with her - period. She moved on to other relationships and then got married. Prince moved on as well. His comment on Oprah was, "everyone THOUGHT I would marry Vanity..." meaning, those who thought that were wrong. In no way was that comment implying that he really wanted to marry her. Just amazing how people come up with their own narrative to his story.



[Edited 2/13/19 14:12pm]



Yes,Prince had been ill for some time going by his appearance and I believe it's likely from what was said by those close to him prior to his passing,that his body may have been close to shutting down. I spoke with someone today who said they attended his last show in Atlanta and he commented on how thin he was and said he did not look well. He said it was a beautiful show but you could tell that he was struggling a bit to get through it.


Yes, I believe I had read comments from a person who had attended the last show, and she also said he looked unwell. She said it was clear that he gave everything he had that night. He was complaining of stomach pain after the concert. I've listened to the first P&M show at PP and he also did not sound like he was doing that well.
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Reply #204 posted 02/13/19 6:37pm

pinkcashmere23

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yes,Prince had been ill for some time going by his appearance and I believe it's likely from what was said by those close to him prior to his passing,that his body may have been close to shutting down. I spoke with someone today who said they attended his last show in Atlanta and he commented on how thin he was and said he did not look well. He said it was a beautiful show but you could tell that he was struggling a bit to get through it.

Yes, I believe I had read comments from a person who had attended the last show, and she also said he looked unwell. She said it was clear that he gave everything he had that night. He was complaining of stomach pain after the concert. I've listened to the first P&M show at PP and he also did not sound like he was doing that well.

Yes,those who were there said that he would leave the stage throughout the shows at PP and come back. One of his DJ's Lenka Paris posted on her FB after the show that he was crying during one performance. I saw that Prince had linked to her post on his twitter and posted that he loved her review.

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Reply #205 posted 02/13/19 7:47pm

violetcrush

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said: Yes, I believe I had read comments from a person who had attended the last show, and she also said he looked unwell. She said it was clear that he gave everything he had that night. He was complaining of stomach pain after the concert. I've listened to the first P&M show at PP and he also did not sound like he was doing that well.

Yes,those who were there said that he would leave the stage throughout the shows at PP and come back. One of his DJ's Lenka Paris posted on her FB after the show that he was crying during one performance. I saw that Prince had linked to her post on his twitter and posted that he loved her review.

Yes, he must have known things were really going downhill with his health. His chef said he had stopped requesting food or had just been asking for soups and shakes. Another person - can't remember who - stated that he told him he had been having dreams of talking to people who had already passed.

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Do you remember if Lenka Paris stated when he cried - during a particular song??

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Reply #206 posted 02/13/19 8:05pm

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violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yes,those who were there said that he would leave the stage throughout the shows at PP and come back. One of his DJ's Lenka Paris posted on her FB after the show that he was crying during one performance. I saw that Prince had linked to her post on his twitter and posted that he loved her review.

Yes, he must have known things were really going downhill with his health. His chef said he had stopped requesting food or had just been asking for soups and shakes. Another person - can't remember who - stated that he told him he had been having dreams of talking to people who had already passed.

*

Do you remember if Lenka Paris stated when he cried - during a particular song??

Yes I recall reading that about him requesting soft foods. He mentioned lucid dreaming during the first show at Paisley. He said he dreamed about some of his friends that had passed away and it was like they were there with him. He went into 'SISIA' after. Listening to the second show now and going by what she wrote,it seems the song he became emotional during was'NC2U' He played 'How Come You Don't Call Me' after that. Here's Lenka's post that was tweeted by Prince https://www.facebook.com/...5499131482

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Reply #207 posted 02/13/19 8:18pm

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violetcrush said:

VNP said:

violetcrush said: She was a incredible force in his life she remained dear to him from 1982 to the time of her death. They loved each other deeply...most of his most romantic songs were inspired by Denise. The love was mutual. She loved him until the day she left this world. If Denise was just a fling her death would not have hurt him so. He would not have reacted in the way he did. He had a very difficult time getting through his concert upon finding out about her passing. He dedicated most of his concert to her. He spoke loving of her. He attended her funeral he rearranged his concert so that he could be in the area. Since both of their passings. There have been people close to them come out and state that she was his true love and he her's. It's undeniable. He had grown she had grown. He wasn't that same 24 yr old. He was brokenhearted when she left before PR. Hence the wonderful emotional lyrics to the BO's. She was that special one. He was married to another but making statements like "everyone thought that I would marry Vanity" come on who does that? His 2nd wife looked so much like Denise. Damn he even made a song about that! There was no woman or thing that touched his heart the way Denise did. After each marriage he wrote songs about Denise explaining his actions expressing his love for her. Denise had his mind and heart. He never would have married his first wife if Denise had not married. He was looking for Denise in his 2nd wife. His own family member said Denise Matthews was the love of his life! And finally it's NO coincidence that they passed so closely. There is heartache/broken heartedness when someone close passes. I believe that's what he was experiencing......RIP to this eternal couple.PRINCE AND DENISE❤❤ [Edited 2/13/19 9:33am]

AGAIN....you are fantasizing and romanticizing a situation that did not exist. Denise had not seen nor spoken to Prince in many years prior to her passing - per an interview that she did in 2012 to promote the re-issue of her book Blame It On Vanity. She was asked if she still saw or spoke to Prince, and she jokingly replied, "through osmosis", as in they did not see or speak to each other. She stated it had been several years since she had talked to him.

*

Prince was informed just hours before his Melbourne P&M show that Deinise had passed. So, naturally he was very upset and was grieving during the concert. Of course he would dedicate some songs to her,however, he did not dedicate the entire concert to her. He spoke about her, told a funny story, and said they USED to love each other deeply. I have no doubt if Susannah, Sheila, Jill Jones, or Susan Moonsie had passed he would have been equally upset and would have honored them the same way at the show. Prince was reminiscing about many things during those shows. He mentioned his Father giving him rythm. He wanted to "show love for Wendy and Lisa" and spoke about meeting Lisa Coleman at his first P&M show at PP. He explained the meaning of If I Was Your Girlfriend - which he wrote for Susannah Melvoin - at the last show in Atlanta, and he mixed that with Waiting In Vain in several shows. He changed the lyric in Forever In My Life - another one written for Susannah - to "I love you for the rest of my life.." at the Auckland P&M show. So, it wasn't just Denise he sang or spoke about during those concerts.

*

Prince rearranged his Oakland show so he could get together with Apollonia, Jill, Brenda and Susan after the Memorial and his concert. Apollonia wrote about it on her FB page. From what I understand he did not attend the Memorial, which makes sense because him being there would have taken the attention away from honoring Denise. However, he did invite the girls to his show, and they got together after the concert.

*

Prince DID NOT die because Denise passed away, nor did he die of a broken heart. He clearly had been in ill health for quite some time, as he was extremely thin (112 lbs) for some time before his death. Prince had been planning other shows and future recordings. Denise had been a born again Christian many years prior to Prince turning to the JW faith. She was not a JW, therefore, Prince would not have connected with her in that regard either. They do not accept any other faith but their own.

*

Prince had many love songs throughout the 80's, 90's and beyond that were in fact NOT inspired by Denise, and we know this. Please stop with the fairytale fiction!!! If Prince had wanted to be with Denise he would have been with her - period. She moved on to other relationships and then got married. Prince moved on as well. His comment on Oprah was, "everyone THOUGHT I would marry Vanity..." meaning, those who thought that were wrong. In no way was that comment implying that he really wanted to marry her. Just amazing how people come up with their own narrative to his story.

[Edited 2/13/19 14:12pm]

i think he meant that Denise was his other great loveup to that point that people associated him with. he was acknowledging just the two, Denise and Mayte, and that it was Mayte he married instead. interesting that it was still close enough to the 80s that Denise was even still on his mind.

[Edited 2/13/19 21:42pm]

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VioletWaiting said:

violetcrush said:

AGAIN....you are fantasizing and romanticizing a situation that did not exist. Denise had not seen nor spoken to Prince in many years prior to her passing - per an interview that she did in 2012 to promote the re-issue of her book Blame It On Vanity. She was asked if she still saw or spoke to Prince, and she jokingly replied, "through osmosis", as in they did not see or speak to each other. She stated it had been several years since she had talked to him.

*

Prince was informed just hours before his Melbourne P&M show that Deinise had passed. So, naturally he was very upset and was grieving during the concert. Of course he would dedicate some songs to her,however, he did not dedicate the entire concert to her. He spoke about her, told a funny story, and said they USED to love each other deeply. I have no doubt if Susannah, Sheila, Jill Jones, or Susan Moonsie had passed he would have been equally upset and would have honored them the same way at the show. Prince was reminiscing about many things during those shows. He mentioned his Father giving him rythm. He wanted to "show love for Wendy and Lisa" and spoke about meeting Lisa Coleman at his first P&M show at PP. He explained the meaning of If I Was Your Girlfriend - which he wrote for Susannah Melvoin - at the last show in Atlanta, and he mixed that with Waiting In Vain in several shows. He changed the lyric in Forever In My Life - another one written for Susannah - to "I love you for the rest of my life.." at the Auckland P&M show. So, it wasn't just Denise he sang or spoke about during those concerts.

*

Prince rearranged his Oakland show so he could get together with Apollonia, Jill, Brenda and Susan after the Memorial and his concert. Apollonia wrote about it on her FB page. From what I understand he did not attend the Memorial, which makes sense because him being there would have taken the attention away from honoring Denise. However, he did invite the girls to his show, and they got together after the concert.

*

Prince DID NOT die because Denise passed away, nor did he die of a broken heart. He clearly had been in ill health for quite some time, as he was extremely thin (112 lbs) for some time before his death. Prince had been planning other shows and future recordings. Denise had been a born again Christian many years prior to Prince turning to the JW faith. She was not a JW, therefore, Prince would not have connected with her in that regard either. They do not accept any other faith but their own.

*

Prince had many love songs throughout the 80's, 90's and beyond that were in fact NOT inspired by Denise, and we know this. Please stop with the fairytale fiction!!! If Prince had wanted to be with Denise he would have been with her - period. She moved on to other relationships and then got married. Prince moved on as well. His comment on Oprah was, "everyone THOUGHT I would marry Vanity..." meaning, those who thought that were wrong. In no way was that comment implying that he really wanted to marry her. Just amazing how people come up with their own narrative to his story.

[Edited 2/13/19 14:12pm]

i think he meant that Denise was his other great loveup to that point that people associated him with. He was acknowledging just the two: Denise and Mayte, and that it was Mayte he married instead. interesting that it was still close enough to the 80s that Denise was even still on his mind.

[Edited 2/13/19 20:19pm]

I think what he meant was that, because his relationship was so public with Denise in the early 80's, fans and the media thought they would get married during that time. He asked Susannah Melvoin to marry him in 1985 and bought her the big diamond - not Denise. Also, per Susannah's recent interviews, he was with her off and on for several years after she left MN in '86, and asking to see her in the early 90's.

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Inerestingly, also during the Oprah interview, when she was sitting at his piano at PP and asked him to play something for her, the song that he chose to start playing was Forever In My Life, which he wrote for Susannah. Out of all the songs he could have picked to sample, he picked that one. He also performed If I Was Your Girlfriend - another Susannah song - live on the show. So, there you go.

*

Also, the funniest thing about the media and the publicity is that any time they would talk about Prince's relationships with women - including on that Oprah interview - they name Vanity, Apollonia (whom he never actually dated), Sheena Easton (whom he also never dated), Kim Basinger (who was a 6 month thing) and Madonna (which was one night in a limo)....however, they NEVER mention Susannah, who was one of his most serious relationships. That's what is so hilarious, and I have no doubt that Prince loved that. He didn't want his personal life out there.

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Reply #209 posted 02/14/19 5:26am

pinkcashmere23

violetcrush said:

VioletWaiting said:

i think he meant that Denise was his other great loveup to that point that people associated him with. He was acknowledging just the two: Denise and Mayte, and that it was Mayte he married instead. interesting that it was still close enough to the 80s that Denise was even still on his mind.

[Edited 2/13/19 20:19pm]

I think what he meant was that, because his relationship was so public with Denise in the early 80's, fans and the media thought they would get married during that time. He asked Susannah Melvoin to marry him in 1985 and bought her the big diamond - not Denise. Also, per Susannah's recent interviews, he was with her off and on for several years after she left MN in '86, and asking to see her in the early 90's.

*

Inerestingly, also during the Oprah interview, when she was sitting at his piano at PP and asked him to play something for her, the song that he chose to start playing was Forever In My Life, which he wrote for Susannah. Out of all the songs he could have picked to sample, he picked that one. He also performed If I Was Your Girlfriend - another Susannah song - live on the show. So, there you go.

*

Also, the funniest thing about the media and the publicity is that any time they would talk about Prince's relationships with women - including on that Oprah interview - they name Vanity, Apollonia (whom he never actually dated), Sheena Easton (whom he also never dated), Kim Basinger (who was a 6 month thing) and Madonna (which was one night in a limo)....however, they NEVER mention Susannah, who was one of his most serious relationships. That's what is so hilarious, and I have no doubt that Prince loved that. He didn't want his personal life out there.

True but he did want people to know that he had Susannah in mind when writing FIML and Adore since he revealed that in a public forum. Also mentioning her in the liner notes of Crystal Ball. He didn't have to do that and clearly wanted it known that she was special to him. He seemed to want her to know as well.

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