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Yes, I thought so too. Thought it was hilarious when he said he met Joni eventually and he said she told him 'I remember you' | |
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Yes! She is quoted in Matt Thorne's Biography stating that she saw him to the left or right of the stage staring at her. She said he had the Afro and those dark eqyptian eyes that were staring up at her - or something along those lines | |
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Aww. Sweet! I recall reading that she also described him as having big eyes that reminded her of a puffin. I think in another intereview she said he was a little 'Princeling' | |
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Just to confirm Prince's time in LA prior to the end of the 1999 tour - per Duane Tudahl's book: * December 1982 - Prince films 1999 performance for Solid Gold - most likely after Susannah met him at the WB Christmas party, as she mentioned going with Wendy to watch them shoot the performance. * January 1983 - a month off from the tour which Prince spent in LA: * January 7-8 - Sunset Sound Spent the weekend in LA January 10th - Sunset Sound January 13th - Sunset Sound January 14th - Sunset Sound * February 8th - "Prince was originally scheduled to fly back to MN during a 3-day break from the tour, but instead he traveled to LA" * March 26-28 - Sunset Sound March 31st - Sunset Sound * April 4th - Sunset Sound April 14th - April 30th Sunset Sound * And per Duane's book, Jill, Susan and Vanity were all still living in Prince's house in May and June of 1983. Prince was still initimate with Vanity (especially while recording the song Vibrator per Jill Jones) and Jill was as well, so I'm not sure why he would have recorded the song Possessed with Vanity in mind during that time. Jill Jones on recording "Vibrator" Summer '83: "That was when we were all getting along! That was at Prince's house in MN, and it was right before the Purple Rain stuff started going, because Vanity hadn't left yet. We were all in the studio together, and it was easy to work because you could do your part and then go upstairs and make tea." * So, even during the time that Prince and Vanity were getting along he was pursuing Susannah. It had nothing to do with him "getting back" at Vanity. * In Susannah's recent interview with Toure she specifically states that Prince began staying at their house right after she met him at the Christmas party. He spent most of January in LA, so I'm sure a good portion of that time was spent at their house. He was in LA for a period of time every month from January to May of '83.
Okay, three day weekend. I can play. I don't know how you find the time to reply back to every comment and even other people's comments that wasn't even in question to you. Please be aware that If I don't reply back, it's most likely due to the fact that I just don't have the time to go back and forth for hours and even days replying to your comments. Why are you posting a bunch of dates confirming Prince's Time in LA? His time in LA isn't whats in question. Of course he'd be going to LA in January of 83. He'd been recording and flying back and forth to LA since 1981, way before he'd met Susannah. Also, the fact that Susannah went to visit Wendy and Lisa on set after she first saw Prince, says what? She didn't say Prince wasn the one to tell her to come visit him on the set. She did not say Prince was pursuing her or started sending her flowers then. There is a difference in what Susannah says and what you speculate. It's important to remember, Susannah was indecisive on the time sequence of when Prince started pursuing her in this latest interview. Some of the time frame contradicted with what she'd said prior. In other interviews she said it was within a few months when Wendy had gotten the gig and the tour was over. Here's where she exactly stated that he started pursuing her months after she first met him at the Christmas party and when the tour was over, starting at 05.20. https://podtail.com/en/po...ying-pri/. Also, In the interview she'd done with QuestLove on Pandora, she stated that it was at Dez Dickerson's party, starting at 37:52 , http://theboombox.com/que...-supreme/. Which was after the 1999 tour was over and which even coincides with what her sister Wendy also said that I've shared before in Susannah's interview thread. "I'm a twin, so it's very difficult for me to be any distance from Susannah for any length of time, says her sister, Wendy. So when I joined Prince's band, Susannah would visit me in Minneapolis, and that's when Prince met her. As a matter of fact, he met her at a party at Dez Dickerson's house- the guy I replaced in the band. Remember that Lisa? We were like oh My God, Prince is outside with Susannah!" ~ Wendy Melvoin (Purple Reign, pg 163) At one point in her latest interview, Susannah even realized her mistakes- showing concerns that she was contradicting herself. Noting that some of her statements might be contradicting to things she'd said in the past because she was not remembering clearly this time around. Her exact words after going back snd forth with trying to piece the time frame of Prince's beginning pursuit was, "Wow, I can't! I'm spacing! Just forget that part. Forget all of that because I can't remember shit! It's just flooding, all this information and memories.." She was having a very difficult time remembering and at the end of it all, also warned everyone to keep in mind that everything she'd said in that interview was out of sequence... Even just scrolling through The Complete Studio Sessions for a date completely different, I saw this statement by Wendy confirming that Prince started showing interest in Susannah after Dez had left the band and she'd join which was after the 1999 tour was over. "When I first joined the band, Lisa and I convinced him to come to Los Angeles to stay with my sister Susannah, Lisa, me and our three Persian cats. Susannah and Lisa and I all slept on the fold-out couch and we put him in my bedroom. We’d go out in my old beat-up Mustang and get ice cream and drive around. It was like having a pajama party.” 23 (studio session) In any case, the time frame that Prince started pursuing Susannah is actually pointless because the bottom line is, Prince never stopped pursuing and being in relationships with multiple women at the same time. He pursued other women while in a relationship with Denise, and he pursed other women while in a relationship with Susannah. Many, many other women. Perfect example is the fact that he started another very serious relationship with Sheila E at a very close interval around the same time he started one with Susannah. Sheila was no side girl. And you don't make love to a person you just wanted around to join your band.  He brought her in on his relationship with Susannah because he wanted to be in a relationship with her as well. Again, typical Prince move to have her join the band in some fashion and be in a relationship with her at the same time. This is Prince history 101. Sheila even stated that he also asked her to marry him as well. Wasn't that around the time that Susannah claimed that Prince was flying her to some of the Sign Of The Times Shows? I don't think Prince was trying very hard to make it work with Susannah if he was asking Sheila to marry him.
The story between him and Denise was a little different than than all the rest of the ladies because as Penny pointed out, those two were always trying to make each other jealous. It's interesting that though he went through all of that tumultuous contention with Denise and was extremely affected that she started seeing other people due to his own affairs - he was still never able to leave her or disassociate himself from her completely. Denise was the one that had to leave him. He was moving Susannah out of his apartment though she'd done nothing wrong, and sending other women like Carmen Electra on a plane out of Minneapolis when he thought she cheated, but with Denise, he could not bring himself to leave... He refused to accept the fact that she was planning to leave as per Allan Leeds and Jesse Johnson implications. It's pretty much the same theme as some of those angry lyrics he'd written about their relationship, "I didn't like the way you were, so I had to make you mine." (meaning, he didn't like the things she was doing so he had to teach her a lesson) But still.... "Baby if you left me, I might do something rash" Anyway you look at it... even knowing that the relationship might not have always been healthy, Prince still had a very raw and unconditional passion for her. Regarding Jills statement Jill did not say they lived together during the time of Vibrator. The period Jill was specifying that they'd all stayed together for "A little brief moment" trying to be harmonious, was January of 83, around the time he was recording Wonderful Ass. Thats the date and timeframe she noted in the book of them staying at Prince's home. Jill said that he started dating Vanity again during the 1999 tour around the time he recorded Wonderful Ass. No doubt with the way Jill implied "for a very brief moment" it was a very brief stay due to the convenience of recording in his home studio. However, they were only at his Kiowa home studio in May to record the song Vibrator. What she said was, "We were all in the studio together" She did not say they lived together then. This was Prince's home studio so of course they would be able to do their part and then go upstairs and make tea. It's also been noted by Jill recently that she had her own apartment during that time. She posted a picture of the apartment recently on Instagram speaking about how excited she was about her first apartment and Prince laughing at her reaction at her apartment. Denise, and also Denise's brother in law have mentioned Denise having her own apartment as well. By all accounts from associates like Allan Leeds , Prince and Denise was not doing well as a couple by the time Vibrator was recorded in May. The month before in April was when he spotted her with Adam Ant. Come on! You're calling into question the song "Possessed" being about Denise because of the Vibrator adventure Jill suspected she heard? How old are we here? Have you never had a such a strong chemistry and attraction to a man, and him to you, that even though you both knew your relationship were too volatile and intense, you still could not call it quits with each other? Still not being able to stop being intimate with one another? This is a real life reaction and concurrence when you are heavily attached to someone. [Edited 2/18/19 18:16pm] | |
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violetcrush said: PennyPurple said:
WRONG. Again he made Susannah sign an IOU, it's documented in the court records, and as of his death she still had not paid it back. Whether or not she has NOW I do not know. I imagine the Estate is not going to write it off and either collected or is collecting from her.
I'm sure she had a pay-back arrangement with him, as it was clearly a much larger sum of money than the $3,000 he sent to Vanity. Point is, HE DID NOT HAVE TO DO ANYTHING FOR HER OR REACH OUT TO HER AT ALL. Seems to me that it was a great way for him to stay in contact with her. So was asking her to record with him just prior to his death. Denise has mentioned that $33,000, $95,000, $160,000, and $250,000 of tax and surgery bills combined had disappeared from her debts at different intervals of her life without her knowing how the debts were erased. She attributed it to God's divine interventions. Here is the sermon that she spoke about it. Starting at 41.00- 48.43 https://youtu.be/KLXRfIs61qM. Her brother in law has stated here on the org that he and the family suspected that someone was secretly paying her bills. His implication was that they believed it was Prince. [Edited 2/17/19 17:50pm] | |
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I'm actually not desperate at all here. My only comment earlier (to the OP) about the book was to state that she also discussed her story with Prince, and many years before any of the others. You actually seem a bit desperate to prove that the title had nothing to do with her time as Vanity. That title, "Blame It On Vanity" absolutely suggests that she will detail that time period, because her persona name is the cover title. Regardless of the bulk of the book focusing on her turn toward religion, the title implies that it actually will cover the time period as Vanity. * I am sure there would have been more detail had she written her book after he passed, as there would have been no threat of legal action by him or his legal team. [Edited 1/31/19 4:50am] In Denise's final post on Facebook Feb 10th 2016, just days before she died, she stated this, (her last words there) “I want everyone to remember what Jesus has done for me. I wrote a whole biography on the subject. ‘Blame it on Vanity’ My Lord ordained this testimony.” The name "Vanity" means vain and self worship. It's obvious with the contents that were published, that the book was called "Blame It On Vanity" because Denise was using her name "Vanity" as a cautionary tale against the pursuit of the frivolous, as she had repented in doing as the persona Vanity. [Edited 2/17/19 23:29pm] | |
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Okay Luvgirl....I can play too. My schedule allows me to be more responsive than yours on this site - not sure what that has to do with the "price of tea in China" as they say. Sorry yours does not, howver....NOT my problem. On to your continued denial of the situation with Prince pursuing Susannah: *
* Susannah stated that a few days after she met Prince at the WB Christmas party she went to the video shoot with Wendy to watch them perform. Yep, she did not state that Prince invited her to the set -why would he? And I never assumed that either. However, she did state a WEEK LATER he was calling Lisa and asking her to stay with them. Again, if you look at the dates I posted above you will see that there was a break from the tour almost the entire month of January. Susannah also stated in her first interview that Prince sent her flowers for almost 2 years, so obviously the flower deliveries began not long after they met, as she was with him in MN by winter of 1984. When else would Prince have been staying at their house?? *
* Susannah's interview with Questlove was all of 15 minutes long. There is NO way she could go into any kind of detail during that show. However, she did also state that he was coming out to LA while recording the PR soundtrack - AGAIN - of which much of that was being done prior to film rehearsals or shooting the film. Same with the album ATWIAD - Prince had most or all of that album already recorded prior to the PR tour being finished. Same with her first interview with Toure - after she had described Prince kissing her at Sunset Sound, and also having the bed delivered to her door she stated, "cut to the rehearsals for PR when I went to visit Wendy and Lisa in MN..." Do you understand what "cut to" means?? It means "fast foward". She then elaborated on those statements in her SECOND interview with Toure by stating that Prince had been recording for PR and staying at their house long before rehearsals for the fim and shooting began that winter. Not sure how many times she can confirm the timeline for you. *
* AGAIN, you are either misinterpreting what she said or purposely changing the context of her statements during that discussion. Her comment to Toure about their discussion was referring to whether or not she had shared a particular memory with him in the last discussion - NOT that she was contradicting herself at all with her information. She stated, "I'm not sure whether I've shared some of this with you before..." because they had already had a long discussion. With regard to her comment of "Wow, I'm spacing....just forget that part..." she was beginning to talk about something relating to the video shoot, and then seemed to realize whatever she was thinking about was not connected to it. This in no way constitutes her information as being false or incorrect. Regarding her comments of something being "out of sequence" - she said that when she was discussinng something specific that occured AFTER a time period they were referencing. Example - Toure asked her about writing Starfish & Coffee with Prince, which was in 1986, and then asked her about getting engaged to Prince. She then stated, "well this is again out of sequence, but that's okay..." - meaning that the engagement happened long before he recorded Starfish and Coffee. *
* Actually, YOU were the one to initially deny that Prince had been pursuing Susannah while still with Vanity. We had many posts going back and forth on the thread for her first interview with Toure. I can certainly go back and pull some of your posts. You were adamant that Prince did not see or pursue Susannah until she came to MN for the August '83 show. Susannah has now confirmed numerous times that Prince began sending her flowers and pursuing her shortly after they met at the WB Christmas party when he was there with Vanity. I also never stated that Prince was being monogamous with Susannah - nor has Susannah ever stated that. However, I don't consider Prince mouthing "marry me?" to Sheila while performing a song on stage to be an actual proposal. Sorry, I just don't buy that one bit. Was there a ring? Was there any media coverage? Even with Susannah there were media reports about the engagement. Did he sleep with Sheila? Of course - as he slept with most of the women he worked with. I think the reason Sheila stayed in his life more consistently is because it was more of a friendship/competitive relationship than anything else. *
* The relationship with Prince and Denise was NO different than any of his other relationships. In fact, I think it was much more volatile and sexual more than anything else. Wonderful Ass is NOT a love song by any stretch, and neither is Strange Relationship - which can actually be applied to most relationships he had with women based on his behavior. Their relationship was extremely unhealthy, and Prince knew that. They both had inner struggles and rough starts as kids. They both wanted to be in the spotlight. This makes them alike, however, it certainly doesn't make for a good relationship, and he knew that. Look at the lyrics to Forever In My Life, which Prince wrote for Susannah - "you are may saviour, you are my light, forever I want you girl, in my life..." and "when I am with you I got no past, baby my one and only desire is to find some way in this doggone world to make this feeling last. I know I do, I know I do girl, and I just want to tell you that I want it with you...' Not sure how much clearer he could have expressed his feelings for Susannah there. *
* You are, again, misquoting Jill. She did in fact state that they were all living at his house. I will go back and find the quote. She also stated - under the notation in Duane Tudah's book for Vibrator, which was May of 1983 - that they were all getting along at this time, living in his home. She stated this was just before all of the Purple Rain stuff began. Not sure why you are trying to change or twist her words around here. She clearly remembered recording that song and what the situation was at that time with her Prince and Vanity. She specifically stated how that song was recorded, and the reason it was so easy was because they were all staying there together. Whether they had their own apartments or not, they would certainly have been able to stay at his house on any given night or nights - especially when they would record at all hours of the night. Also, in her quote about recording that song she literally discusses the conversation she had with Vanity right after the song was recorded, and Vanity stating they "experimented" during the song. *
* Considering the fact that Jill was quoted in Duane's book as stating they (Prince, Jill and Vanity) were all getting along during this time - regardless of any jealousy and fighting that may have happened between Prince and Vanity - again, this was common in all of his relationships - have you listened to Empty Room, Go, and Sexual Suicide?? - they were still technically a "couple" at that point, and still intimate. Again, per Susannah's statements, Prince was pursuing her and making it clear that he wanted to be with her. I would say the episode she described at Sunset Sound could have easily inpsired a song like Possessed. He wanted her, and he could not have her at that time. Per your comment in bold text - I'm sure the time that Vanity officially left the camp was not the last time she was intimate with Prince....just the same as when Susannah officially moved back to CA it was not the last time they were together. You keep emphasizing that "Vanity left Prince", however, SUSANNAH LEFT PRINCE TOO - and he chased her out in CA for two months trying to convince her to move back to MN. He also had planned a house with her and lived there with her for a period of time - regardless of whether or not he decided he wasn't ready to live together. He still made the effort, which was more than he had done with Vanity or anyone else before that time. * AGAIN, your own comments here spell out what I've been stating all along, which is that Prince clearly had a strong attraction to Vanity and cared for her, however, it seems the relationship was quite unhealthy and "darker" with regard to the dynamic. I think his relationship with Susannah was more "traditional" and provided him with comfort, light, and a deeper connection. [Edited 2/18/19 7:06am] | |
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There is no confirmation on this at all. However, it would not be surprising if Prince actually was the one paying her bills. He could easily have afforded those costs. I imagine he may have harbored some guilt about her situation, even though she made those choices. He was the one who persuaded her to take on the Vanity persona, and controlled that situation. He also knew how he behaved in the relationship, and how that may have affected a girl who was already troubled due to traumatic events in her childhood. As he aged I have no doubt he was reflecting back on how his actions may have affected those close to him - especially the women. Denise suffered the most, and he knew that. He was not a heartless man. | |
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As I stated above, and also in prior posts - I know that her book was focused on the dangers of celebrity and was a cautionary tale, however, the title clearly drew attention to her time as Vanity, and would attract Prince fans who were hoping to read details of their relationship. There were threads about it here on the Org. I had already posted a link to one of them from 2012. All were questioning how much information she was going to provide about their intimate life. | |
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So you don't take Vanity's words as confirmation, or her family's words? If you don't believe what they say, how can you believe what outsiders say about the situation? | |
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You always put Your twist on it, when in all actuality you don't know more then the family. Sheesh.
Sorry, but where in that post above does it show that Denise or her family specifically confirming that Prince paid her bills??? Now PennyP, who is the "embellesher" here?? | |
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SMDH. | |
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Ditto over here, especially when you decide to take vague information and twist it into a factual narrative when it supports your own ideas. Perplexing for someone who constantly loves to refer back to the "estate" dccuments in just about every post. *
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Okay Luvgirl....I can play too. My schedule allows me to be more responsive than yours on this site - not sure what that has to do with the "price of tea in China" as they say. Sorry yours does not, howver....NOT my problem. On to your continued denial of the situation with Prince pursuing Susannah: *
* Susannah stated that a few days after she met Prince at the WB Christmas party she went to the video shoot with Wendy to watch them perform. Yep, she did not state that Prince invited her to the set -why would he? And I never assumed that either. However, she did state a WEEK LATER he was calling Lisa and asking her to stay with them. Again, if you look at the dates I posted above you will see that there was a break from the tour almost the entire month of January. Susannah also stated in her first interview that Prince sent her flowers for almost 2 years, so obviously the flower deliveries began not long after they met, as she was with him in MN by winter of 1984. When else would Prince have been staying at their house?? *
* Susannah's interview with Questlove was all of 15 minutes long. There is NO way she could go into any kind of detail during that show. However, she did also state that he was coming out to LA while recording the PR soundtrack - AGAIN - of which much of that was being done prior to film rehearsals or shooting the film. Same with the album ATWIAD - Prince had most or all of that album already recorded prior to the PR tour being finished. Same with her first interview with Toure - after she had described Prince kissing her at Sunset Sound, and also having the bed delivered to her door she stated, "cut to the rehearsals for PR when I went to visit Wendy and Lisa in MN..." Do you understand what "cut to" means?? It means "fast foward". She then elaborated on those statements in her SECOND interview with Toure by stating that Prince had been recording for PR and staying at their house long before rehearsals for the fim and shooting began that winter. Not sure how many times she can confirm the timeline for you. *
* AGAIN, you are either misinterpreting what she said or purposely changing the context of her statements during that discussion. Her comment to Toure about their discussion was referring to whether or not she had shared a particular memory with him in the last discussion - NOT that she was contradicting herself at all with her information. She stated, "I'm not sure whether I've shared some of this with you before..." because they had already had a long discussion. With regard to her comment of "Wow, I'm spacing....just forget that part..." she was beginning to talk about something relating to the video shoot, and then seemed to realize whatever she was thinking about was not connected to it. This in no way constitutes her information as being false or incorrect. Regarding her comments of something being "out of sequence" - she said that when she was discussinng something specific that occured AFTER a time period they were referencing. Example - Toure asked her about writing Starfish & Coffee with Prince, which was in 1986, and then asked her about getting engaged to Prince. She then stated, "well this is again out of sequence, but that's okay..." - meaning that the engagement happened long before he recorded Starfish and Coffee. *
* Actually, YOU were the one to initially deny that Prince had been pursuing Susannah while still with Vanity. We had many posts going back and forth on the thread for her first interview with Toure. I can certainly go back and pull some of your posts. You were adamant that Prince did not see or pursue Susannah until she came to MN for the August '83 show. Susannah has now confirmed numerous times that Prince began sending her flowers and pursuing her shortly after they met at the WB Christmas party when he was there with Vanity. I also never stated that Prince was being monogamous with Susannah - nor has Susannah ever stated that. However, I don't consider Prince mouthing "marry me?" to Sheila while performing a song on stage to be an actual proposal. Sorry, I just don't buy that one bit. Was there a ring? Was there any media coverage? Even with Susannah there were media reports about the engagement. Did he sleep with Sheila? Of course - as he slept with most of the women he worked with. I think the reason Sheila stayed in his life more consistently is because it was more of a friendship/competitive relationship than anything else. *
* The relationship with Prince and Denise was NO different than any of his other relationships. In fact, I think it was much more volatile and sexual more than anything else. Wonderful Ass is NOT a love song by any stretch, and neither is Strange Relationship - which can actually be applied to most relationships he had with women based on his behavior. Their relationship was extremely unhealthy, and Prince knew that. They both had inner struggles and rough starts as kids. They both wanted to be in the spotlight. This makes them alike, however, it certainly doesn't make for a good relationship, and he knew that. Look at the lyrics to Forever In My Life, which Prince wrote for Susannah - "you are may saviour, you are my light, forever I want you girl, in my life..." and "when I am with you I got no past, baby my one and only desire is to find some way in this doggone world to make this feeling last. I know I do, I know I do girl, and I just want to tell you that I want it with you...' Not sure how much clearer he could have expressed his feelings for Susannah there. *
* You are, again, misquoting Jill. She did in fact state that they were all living at his house. I will go back and find the quote. She also stated - under the notation in Duane Tudah's book for Vibrator, which was May of 1983 - that they were all getting along at this time, living in his home. She stated this was just before all of the Purple Rain stuff began. Not sure why you are trying to change or twist her words around here. She clearly remembered recording that song and what the situation was at that time with her Prince and Vanity. She specifically stated how that song was recorded, and the reason it was so easy was because they were all staying there together. Whether they had their own apartments or not, they would certainly have been able to stay at his house on any given night or nights - especially when they would record at all hours of the night. Also, in her quote about recording that song she literally discusses the conversation she had with Vanity right after the song was recorded, and Vanity stating they "experimented" during the song. *
* Considering the fact that Jill was quoted in Duane's book as stating they (Prince, Jill and Vanity) were all getting along during this time - regardless of any jealousy and fighting that may have happened between Prince and Vanity - again, this was common in all of his relationships - have you listened to Empty Room, Go, and Sexual Suicide?? - they were still technically a "couple" at that point, and still intimate. Again, per Susannah's statements, Prince was pursuing her and making it clear that he wanted to be with her. I would say the episode she described at Sunset Sound could have easily inpsired a song like Possessed. He wanted her, and he could not have her at that time. Per your comment in bold text - I'm sure the time that Vanity officially left the camp was not the last time she was intimate with Prince....just the same as when Susannah officially moved back to CA it was not the last time they were together. You keep emphasizing that "Vanity left Prince", however, SUSANNAH LEFT PRINCE TOO - and he chased her out in CA for two months trying to convince her to move back to MN. He also had planned a house with her and lived there with her for a period of time - regardless of whether or not he decided he wasn't ready to live together. He still made the effort, which was more than he had done with Vanity or anyone else before that time. * AGAIN, your own comments here spell out what I've been stating all along, which is that Prince clearly had a strong attraction to Vanity and cared for her, however, it seems the relationship was quite unhealthy and "darker" with regard to the dynamic. I think his relationship with Susannah was more "traditional" and provided him with comfort, light, and a deeper connection. [Edited 2/18/19 7:06am] You're funny... At 12:20, Toure asked Susannah "How did it progress to be more?" Susannah, who was clearly having a hard time remembering the specifics that she'd remembered in prior interviews, literally said; "Well, It took a while. I'm not saying any of this in real sequence." Listen to her say it... 12:20 https://www.stitcher.com/...oplay=true So let me get this straight, because the first interview was only 15 minutes long, Susannah didn't have enough time to get out the words "A few weeks" so instead stated that he started pursuing her within a few months of the first meeting? That's absolutely ridiculous. She said a few months in the first interview because that's when the 1999 tour was over and Prince started flying to LA. I think I provided ample proof of her statements from various interviews, her sisters statements, and statements from biographies that proved that his pursuit of her was after the 1999 tour. This debate is obviously a lost cause with you, lol.
Regarding Jill's statement You are the one putting your own spin speculation on how long it was that they stayed in Prince's home. No where in that book does Jill say they were living together in May of 83. The time she specified of the stay was January of 83. She said it was for a very short period of time. The fifth picture down is Jill in her own apartment that she had as early as August of 82. http://neonrendezvous.tum...nes/page/2 Denise and Susan also had their own apartments. You are neglecting to realize that Jill stated it was for a very brief stay. A brief stay is not from January to June when they all had their own places. It was obviously just as Jill stated "For a very brief moment" and no doubt due to the convenience of recording purpose. More than likely for a mere few weeks. Due to his inability to be faithful, Prince had an unhealthy relationship with all of the ladies he was with because he placed them in a situation in which they had no choice but to accept his behavior if they wanted to be with him. Susannah accepted it for almost 4 years up until the point of him asking her to move out of his house. That insult, no doubt played a huge part in her final decision to leave. Denise did not accept Prince's behavior for very long. Her fight against it was the reason for their demise. He was blind sided by her departure, "The beautiful ones you always seem to lose" and it affected him for quite some time. Have you seen Anna Fantastic interview with Violet Reality where she spoke about Prince not wanting to help her because he was afraid that she would leave him like Denise did? Even through all of that, Prince still shared a bond with Denise in some form throughout the years after her departure. They were always a fixture in each other's lives at different periods no matter what they put each other through. Thirty years later he was crying on stage in front of thousands of people asking God to bring her back - not paying ode to her presence in the group Vanity 6, but telling the world how deeply he loved her, and telling the world her connection to the song "The beautiful Ones." Some would even say marrying her complete look alike prior in Manny Testiloni. There is a kind of intensity of love that some people experience that goes beyond the "traditional" that is sometimes the most profound of someone's life. Many people believe that's what Prince experienced with Denise. [Edited 2/18/19 11:22am] | |
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@Luvgirl: These were not at all Susannah's "exact" words, as you stated below: *
* THE statements (below) were actually her exact words to Toure when discussing when/how she first met Prince and what happened after meeting him at the WB Christmas party: * "It was within a few weeks that he was back in town and calling Lisa and Wendy, and we were picking him up at the airport. She and Lisa would start first - Lisa had a car, this great car we used to call "Betty Flounder", this peach beautiful thing...anyway, drive to the airport, pick him up, and bring him back to our place. And so, the progression was, you know....I may be out of sequence here, because, I'm wondering...no no no, that was about right. So yeah, but that was my first meeting." * Then her response to Toure's question, "how did it progress to more?": * "Well, that particular period of time he was coming to CA and um...no, you know it's so interesting, it's coming to me now. After that...that's what it was, okay - so, he was shooting the 1999 video and Little Red Corvette, after the Christmas party, so Wendy and I - I went with my sister to the set where they were shooting it. So I suppose he was out here for that - maybe even, you know maybe they were even shooting that Rolling Stone cover - Vanity and he - it may have been that they were shooting it at that time, and he was doing the 1999 video, Little Red Corvette, and so I went down to that set, and I remember it was the first time I'd seen...um, um...wow, I can't - I'm spacing. Just forget I - forget that part of...forget all of that, because I can't remember - she did not say "shit", she actually laughed. Wow!, it's just flooding...all this information and memories. So, I"d gone to the set, and I'd seen this whole life and what Lisa was doing, and and it was just really exciting, and I was so proud of Lisa, and the following day I went right back to work - went right back to Geffen records, answering the phone, and they all left back to MN. And that's when Prince started coming back, and he started flying in and it was then that they were just finishing up touring...it's all coming back to me right now - maybe they were on the 1999 tour and they were doing all this press, and so he was coming to CA a lot, and he started wanting to stay with Lisa and Wendy, and I was there. So, I was just around him more and in an incrediby intimate space." * All of her statements and memories above make sense when you look at the schedule outlined in Duane Tudahl's book. They were heavily promoting the 1999 tour, as well as, working on his shift into mainstream radio and the MTV circuit. | |
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Right....Susannah DID say it took awhile for it to progress to a full blown relationship, and THAT is the whole point here. Prince was pursuing her for a very long time before they were actually dating. If your belief is that he was not pursuing her until August of 1983, how would that qualify as a "very long time" now that she has confirmed their relationship "got heavy" during the filming that November/December?? And how would he be sending her flowers everyday at her house in LA if she's actually in MN staying with him? You see how that makes no logical sense, right?? * I don't care whether Jill and Vanity staying at Prince's house was for a "very brief moment" or for several months...it does not matter. What matters is what Jill has stated, which is that they were both staying with Prince, all getting along, and Vanity was still intimate with him during that time. This makes complete sense based on the fact that she was deeply in love with him. I have no doubt that she really didn't want to leave him. However, like all of the others she had reached her limit - with both the monogamy issue and the monetary constraints. * I seriously doubt that Prince was "blindsided" by Vanity's departure, considering the volatile fights they often had. However, I have no doubt that he was angry and felt betrayed - even though it was his actions which caused her to leave. SAME situation with Susannah. However, it's quite interesting that you view Susannah moving out of Prince's house as an insult considering the fact that she was the only woman at that point with whom he had made that effort. He never offered that option to Vanity - never planned and built a house with her. If he was so in love with her why did she not live with him in the purple house?? AGAIN, Vanity was treated as poorly, if not more so, than any of the other women he seriously dated. * You are also taking Prince's statements at his P&M concert out of context. Here is the actual dialogue:
"His first Melbourne show at the State Theatre was particularly emotionally charged — Prince admitting he’d just found out about the death of Denise Matthews, aka Vanity, his ex-girlfriend from the early ‘80s and protoge when she fronted the band Vanity 6. “Someone dear to us has passed away, I’m gonna dedicate this song to her,” Prince said before playing a touching version of Little Red Corvette with a touch of Dirty Mind — songs from the era when they were together." * "Prince reworked his classic The Ladder to replace the name ‘Electra’ with ‘Vanity’ — so the lyrics ran “This Prince, he had a subject named Vanity who loved him with a passion, uncontested.” After an encore Prince returned to the stage noting “I am new to this playing alone. I thank you all for being so patient. I’m trying to stay focused, it’s a little heavy for me tonight. Just keep jamming ... She knows about this one.” That introduced a truly incredible version of The Beautiful Ones, another song from the Vanity era (she was the original choice for lead in the Purple Rain movie), the song ending with Prince changing “my knees” for “Denise ... Denise”. * Unusually chatty and candid, he continued going off script. “Can I tell you a story about Vanity? Or should I tell you a story about Denise? Her and I used to love each other deeply. She loved me for the artist I was, I loved her for the artist she was trying to be. She and I would fight. She was very headstrong cos she knew she was the finest woman in the world. She never missed an opportunity to tell you that.” * Prince then opened up about a fight where he threatened to throw Vanity in the pool. She said “You can’t throw me in the pool, you’re too little”. He then asked his six foot bodyguard Chick to do the dirty work for him. “I probably shouldn’t be telling this story,“ he said, “but she’d want us to celebrate her life and not mourn her.”"
The bolded statement from Prince above - exactly. He was honoring her and celebrating her life. What do you think he would have done if it had been Susannah's passing?? In no way was he stating here that she was the only love of his life, or that he was still deeply in love with her. He was reminiscing about that period of time in his life. Of course he was emotional and sad. He had a heart. * Regarding TBO - You know, it's really interesting as I was just re-listening to the Questlove podcast featuring Duane Tudahl, Ruth Azarte, and Mathieu Bitton where they were talking about the inspirations for Prince's songs. They were talking about She's Always In My Hair, where Mattieu talked about how he asked Prince about that song and that he read that it was about one of his proteges. Prince flat out denied it and told him he actually wrote about his then assistant Terese -even though Susan Rogers was present for the recording of that song, and had spoken to Prince about it after he recorded it. They all discussed how mad he would get when Engineers and/or other associates would talk about the songs. Duane brought up The Beautiful Ones, and said the same thing. I also remember, not long after Alan Light's book came out, I believe Dr Funkenberry received an amonymous post (considered to be from Prince) on his site stating "TBO was not about Wendy's sister, in fact no song was about her". Again, we all know that is not true. He was pissed off at many of his past associates who had contributed to that book. He even took a dig at Matt Fink during the last P&M show, so clearly he still held a grudge with him. * From the book Purple Reign:
* Also, during the first P&M show at PP January 2016, right before he played TBO he stated, "don't let any man fool you....they all write songs to "cop" a girl. That comment would absolutely support the thoughts and statements by his camp that he also wrote that song to persuade Susannah to be with him. * AGAIN, FOR THE 5,750TH TIME HERE....OBVIOUSLY THE VERSE "PAINT A PERFECT PICTURE, BRING TO LIFE A VISION IN ONE'S MIND (the film), THE BEAUTIFUL ONES ALWAYS SMASH THE PICTURE (Vanity leaving)..." would have been connected to Vanity, however, the other verses would not. * Prince DID NOT marry Manuela Testolini because she resembled Vanity!!! How absurd is that statement. It's just absolutely ridiculous. No wonder Prince shook his head and laughed at so much of the "fan fiction" stories out there [Edited 2/18/19 12:37pm] | |
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"Facts" which exclude a ton of other information, such as, how it came to be that Prince offered Susannah money to help her financially. Still waiting for that printed document from the "estate documents" which confirms this information * And I'll say it again - you are hypocrisy at its best when you make statements like the one you just made above, and at the same time state that Prince being the anonymous payor of her medical expenses based on her "God answered my prayers" statement and her family "assuming Prince must have paid them". I'm not saying he didn't pay those debts - and I think it is great if he did, however, there is nothing documented to confirm this is the case. | |
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violetcrush said: "Regarding TBO - You know, it's really interesting as I was just re-listening to the Questlove podcast featuring Duane Tudahl, Ruth Azarte, and Mathieu Bitton where they were talking about the inspirations for Prince's songs. They were talking about She's Always In My Hair, where Mattieu talked about how he asked Prince about that song and that he read that it was about one of his proteges. Prince flat out denied it and told him he actually wrote about his then assistant Terese -even though Susan Rogers was present for the recording of that song, and had spoken to Prince about it after he recorded it. They all discussed how mad he would get when Engineers and/or other associates would talk about the songs. Duane brought up The Beautiful Ones, and said the same thing. I also remember, not long after Alan Light's book came out, I believe Dr Funkenberry received an amonymous post (considered to be from Prince) on his site stating "TBO was not about Wendy's sister, in fact no song was about her". Again, we all know that is not true. He was pissed off at many of his past associates who had contributed to that book. He even took a dig at Matt Fink during the last P&M show, so clearly he still held a grudge with him." * Correction on the above: it was Ruth who was telling the story of asking Prince about She's Always In My Hair on New Year's Eve 2009 at The Roosevelt Club Med. She told him someone had told her it was about a Protege of his, and she asked, "isn't this about a protege of yours?" Prince responded, "Jill Jones?, no it's not about her". Duane then said, "he did this all the time". Ruth said, "He said it was about an assistant he had at the time", and the guys chimed in with "Terese". Ruth stated she couldn't remember who he said it was at the time. Mathieu then stated that he had asked Terese the day before if she knew about that and she told him she had never heard about it. Then Ruth stated "Prince said he wrote that about Terese because she used to hound him and was always asking him if he was okay or if he was rested, and then she went away because somebody in her family got sick". Then Duane chimed in with "wait, that's the story for Nothing Compares 2 U, but I haven't heard that for She's Always In My Hair." Ruth then stated, "by the way, I've heard him lie and say a song was written about one woman when it was really about another". * Regarding the The Beautiful Ones: Duane stated during this discussion: "but he was very adamant about TBO not being about Susannah, and I didn't know Prince, but I found that sometimes he would get angry and vengeful about people claiming that a song was about them." Ruth then responded, "yes, yes, that is a true statement." Duane then said, he wouldjust say no, it's not about them. He would be like "you don't know me..". Ruth said, "yes, he would do that." [Edited 2/18/19 13:02pm] | |
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I thought it was cute that he admitted to writing songs to "cop" girls. He was especially candid that evening. I'm still of the mind that TBOs may have been inspired by both women. In the last interview with Ebony,Prince implied that he wrote the song specifically for that scene in the movie and that it fit the character's predicament of wanting a girl who was torn between two men. He also mentioned Vanity leaving the film,seemingly inspired the line "the beautiful ones, you always seem to lose." The lyrics could also be describing his frustration over Susannah having a boyfriend and wanting to win her away from him. Amazing song whatever the case. | |
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I agree. A song like that could easily have had multiple inspirations. I thought his comment at the first show about the song was very telling. * During the Questlove show that I mentioned above Duane T also stated that when he spoke to Jill she told him that Prince would write songs to get girls. Makes complete sense. | |
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violetcrush said: @Luvgirl: These were not at all Susannah's "exact" words, as you stated below: *
* THE statements (below) were actually her exact words to Toure when discussing when/how she first met Prince and what happened after meeting him at the WB Christmas party: * "It was within a few weeks that he was back in town and calling Lisa and Wendy, and we were picking him up at the airport. She and Lisa would start first - Lisa had a car, this great car we used to call "Betty Flounder", this peach beautiful thing...anyway, drive to the airport, pick him up, and bring him back to our place. And so, the progression was, you know....I may be out of sequence here, because, I'm wondering...no no no, that was about right. So yeah, but that was my first meeting." * Then her response to Toure's question, "how did it progress to more?": * "Well, that particular period of time he was coming to CA and um...no, you know it's so interesting, it's coming to me now. After that...that's what it was, okay - so, he was shooting the 1999 video and Little Red Corvette, after the Christmas party, so Wendy and I - I went with my sister to the set where they were shooting it. So I suppose he was out here for that - maybe even, you know maybe they were even shooting that Rolling Stone cover - Vanity and he - it may have been that they were shooting it at that time, and he was doing the 1999 video, Little Red Corvette, and so I went down to that set, and I remember it was the first time I'd seen...um, um...wow, I can't - I'm spacing. Just forget I - forget that part of...forget all of that, because I can't remember - she did not say "shit", she actually laughed. Wow!, it's just flooding...all this information and memories. So, I"d gone to the set, and I'd seen this whole life and what Lisa was doing, and and it was just really exciting, and I was so proud of Lisa, and the following day I went right back to work - went right back to Geffen records, answering the phone, and they all left back to MN. And that's when Prince started coming back, and he started flying in and it was then that they were just finishing up touring...it's all coming back to me right now - maybe they were on the 1999 tour and they were doing all this press, and so he was coming to CA a lot, and he started wanting to stay with Lisa and Wendy, and I was there. So, I was just around him more and in an incrediby intimate space." * All of her statements and memories above make sense when you look at the schedule outlined in Duane Tudahl's book. They were heavily promoting the 1999 tour, as well as, working on his shift into mainstream radio and the MTV circuit. Lol, you might as well post the whole darn interview then because the bottom line of all of this is that she couldn't remember the sequence of how it all happened this time around and literally stated that outright here at 12:20 https://www.stitcher.com/...play=true. How come you're not referencing that part in bold? Go ahead, post her comments up to that part... | |
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Actually, the bottom line of all of this, is that you are literally trying to pull apart pieces of her discussion and /or incorrectly paraphrase some of her statements to fit into what or how YOU think the events unfolded based on your denial that he was pursuing her while with Vantiy. THAT is the * At 12:20, her comment of "well, it took awhile, I'm not saying any of this in real sequence" was a direct response to Toure's question of "how did it progress to be a relationship?" AGAIN, as she has stated NUMEROUS times - she did not start actually "dating" (aka sleeping with) Prince until she arrived in MN during the filming of PR, which would have been November/December of 1983 - a full year after she first met him. All of her stories - him staying at their house, him kissing her at the studio, sending her a new mattress, inviting her to his hotel room - all came BEFORE she actually started a full blown relationship with him. Not really sure what is so difficult to comprehend about that situation. | |
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Yes,he performed the song with emotion like I had never heard before during the P&M shows too. The performances in Toronto and Oakland especially. He seemed to be pouring his heart out at those shows. | |
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Right....Susannah DID say it took awhile for it to progress to a full blown relationship, and THAT is the whole point here. Prince was pursuing her for a very long time before they were actually dating. If your belief is that he was not pursuing her until August of 1983, how would that qualify as a "very long time" now that she has confirmed their relationship "got heavy" during the filming that November/December?? And how would he be sending her flowers everyday at her house in LA if she's actually in MN staying with him? You see how that makes no logical sense, right?? * I don't care whether Jill and Vanity staying at Prince's house was for a "very brief moment" or for several months...it does not matter. What matters is what Jill has stated, which is that they were both staying with Prince, all getting along, and Vanity was still intimate with him during that time. This makes complete sense based on the fact that she was deeply in love with him. I have no doubt that she really didn't want to leave him. However, like all of the others she had reached her limit - with both the monogamy issue and the monetary constraints. * I seriously doubt that Prince was "blindsided" by Vanity's departure, considering the volatile fights they often had. However, I have no doubt that he was angry and felt betrayed - even though it was his actions which caused her to leave. SAME situation with Susannah. However, it's quite interesting that you view Susannah moving out of Prince's house as an insult considering the fact that she was the only woman at that point with whom he had made that effort. He never offered that option to Vanity - never planned and built a house with her. If he was so in love with her why did she not live with him in the purple house?? AGAIN, Vanity was treated as poorly, if not more so, than any of the other women he seriously dated. * You are also taking Prince's statements at his P&M concert out of context. Here is the actual dialogue:
"His first Melbourne show at the State Theatre was particularly emotionally charged — Prince admitting he’d just found out about the death of Denise Matthews, aka Vanity, his ex-girlfriend from the early ‘80s and protoge when she fronted the band Vanity 6. “Someone dear to us has passed away, I’m gonna dedicate this song to her,” Prince said before playing a touching version of Little Red Corvette with a touch of Dirty Mind — songs from the era when they were together." * "Prince reworked his classic The Ladder to replace the name ‘Electra’ with ‘Vanity’ — so the lyrics ran “This Prince, he had a subject named Vanity who loved him with a passion, uncontested.” After an encore Prince returned to the stage noting “I am new to this playing alone. I thank you all for being so patient. I’m trying to stay focused, it’s a little heavy for me tonight. Just keep jamming ... She knows about this one.” That introduced a truly incredible version of The Beautiful Ones, another song from the Vanity era (she was the original choice for lead in the Purple Rain movie), the song ending with Prince changing “my knees” for “Denise ... Denise”. * Unusually chatty and candid, he continued going off script. “Can I tell you a story about Vanity? Or should I tell you a story about Denise? Her and I used to love each other deeply. She loved me for the artist I was, I loved her for the artist she was trying to be. She and I would fight. She was very headstrong cos she knew she was the finest woman in the world. She never missed an opportunity to tell you that.” * Prince then opened up about a fight where he threatened to throw Vanity in the pool. She said “You can’t throw me in the pool, you’re too little”. He then asked his six foot bodyguard Chick to do the dirty work for him. “I probably shouldn’t be telling this story,“ he said, “but she’d want us to celebrate her life and not mourn her.”"
The bolded statement from Prince above - exactly. He was honoring her and celebrating her life. What do you think he would have done if it had been Susannah's passing?? In no way was he stating here that she was the only love of his life, or that he was still deeply in love with her. He was reminiscing about that period of time in his life. Of course he was emotional and sad. He had a heart. * Regarding TBO - You know, it's really interesting as I was just re-listening to the Questlove podcast featuring Duane Tudahl, Ruth Azarte, and Mathieu Bitton where they were talking about the inspirations for Prince's songs. They were talking about She's Always In My Hair, where Mattieu talked about how he asked Prince about that song and that he read that it was about one of his proteges. Prince flat out denied it and told him he actually wrote about his then assistant Terese -even though Susan Rogers was present for the recording of that song, and had spoken to Prince about it after he recorded it. They all discussed how mad he would get when Engineers and/or other associates would talk about the songs. Duane brought up The Beautiful Ones, and said the same thing. I also remember, not long after Alan Light's book came out, I believe Dr Funkenberry received an amonymous post (considered to be from Prince) on his site stating "TBO was not about Wendy's sister, in fact no song was about her". Again, we all know that is not true. He was pissed off at many of his past associates who had contributed to that book. He even took a dig at Matt Fink during the last P&M show, so clearly he still held a grudge with him. * From the book Purple Reign:
* Also, during the first P&M show at PP January 2016, right before he played TBO he stated, "don't let any man fool you....they all write songs to "cop" a girl. That comment would absolutely support the thoughts and statements by his camp that he also wrote that song to persuade Susannah to be with him. * AGAIN, FOR THE 5,750TH TIME HERE....OBVIOUSLY THE VERSE "PAINT A PERFECT PICTURE, BRING TO LIFE A VISION IN ONE'S MIND (the film), THE BEAUTIFUL ONES ALWAYS SMASH THE PICTURE (Vanity leaving)..." would have been connected to Vanity, however, the other verses would not. * Prince DID NOT marry Manuela Testolini because she resembled Vanity!!! How absurd is that statement. It's just absolutely ridiculous. No wonder Prince shook his head and laughed at so much of the "fan fiction" stories out there [Edited 2/18/19 12:37pm] Sounds about right with exactly what I said, except you posted the whole article, lol. He said they loved each other deeply and she knew about the song, The Beautiful Ones. What's your point? The only part that's not referenced there is him asking God to bring her back which is from another show. In the Ebony article Prince pointed out that the lyrics in connection to Denise's departure was "The beautiful ones, you always seem to lose" Not the lyrics that you specified, but its obvious that many more of the song's lyrics had a connection to her as well. When he revealed, "She knows about this one" What does that mean to you? Why do you think Prince bought up the fact that she knew about the song after pointing out her connection to it a few months prior??? Go ahead, I'd love to hear this spin? You're allowed to put your own spin and imagination with everything in regards to Prince and Susannah, but I'm not allowed to say it's interesting that Denise and Manny resemble each other? It's true. Everyone knows that Manny Testiloni is the splitting image of Denise and and Prince married her. Why should I sweep that interesting fact under the rug and not say it? You say whatever.... | |
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Actually, the bottom line of all of this, is that you are literally trying to pull apart pieces of her discussion and /or incorrectly paraphrase some of her statements to fit into what or how YOU think the events unfolded based on your denial that he was pursuing her while with Vantiy. THAT is the * At 12:20, her comment of "well, it took awhile, I'm not saying any of this in real sequence" was a direct response to Toure's question of "how did it progress to be a relationship?" AGAIN, as she has stated NUMEROUS times - she did not start actually "dating" (aka sleeping with) Prince until she arrived in MN during the filming of PR, which would have been November/December of 1983 - a full year after she first met him. All of her stories - him staying at their house, him kissing her at the studio, sending her a new mattress, inviting her to his hotel room - all came BEFORE she actually started a full blown relationship with him. Not really sure what is so difficult to comprehend about that situation. No, actually the real bottom line is that you're trying to spin and navigate everything Susannah said to churn your own narrative... So, when she said she wasn't saying any of this in real sequence what does that mean to you???  [Edited 2/18/19 14:18pm] | |
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* 1. First bolded comment - WRONG. He stated they USED to love each other deeply. * 2. Yep, I'm sure that was also connected to Vanity as she had left, and the others I mentioned as well, however, NOT the rest of the song where he is screaming at the top of his lungs asking the girl to choose him over the other guy. * 3. Yep, he would say "she knows about this one", because I'm sure she did know that some of the song was inspired by her. You think he's going to tell her that part of the song was also about his strong desire for the woman who turned out to be one of his greatest loves? Nah, don't think so. * 4. Prince had a "type" which he would be drawn to - dark hair, dark eyes, light brown skin. However, he also was smitten with many other types too - Susan Moonsie - darker skinned dark eyes, Kim Basinger - blonde/blue eyes, Carmen E - all american with light eyes, Anna Garcia - a mix but a very American look, Nona Gaye - lighter skinned African American with dark eyes, Jill Jones - mixed race but very light skinned, Mayte Garcia - Spanish with very light skin, dark eyes and dark hair, and Susannah Melvoin - white with dark eyes and dark brown curly hair. So, his "type" was all over the place. | |
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Prince's girlfriends/wives at the time that he was dating them: * Susan Moosnie *
* Vanity *
* Jill Jones *
* Susannah Melvoin *
* Anna Garcia *
* Kim Basinger *
* Carmen E *
* Nona Gaye *
* Mayte Garcia *
* Manuela T *
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So, yes, he seemed to gravitate toward brunettes over blondes, however, did they all resemble Vanity?? No, not at all. And I would not classify Manuela as a "Vanity look-alike".
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violetcrush said:
* 1. First bolded comment - WRONG. He stated they USED to love each other deeply. * 2. Yep, I'm sure that was also connected to Vanity as she had left, and the others I mentioned as well, however, NOT the rest of the song where he is screaming at the top of his lungs asking the girl to choose him over the other guy. * 3. Yep, he would say "she knows about this one", because I'm sure she did know that some of the song was inspired by her. You think he's going to tell her that part of the song was also about his strong desire for the woman who turned out to be one of his greatest loves? Nah, don't think so. * 4. Prince had a "type" which he would be drawn to - dark hair, dark eyes, light brown skin. However, he also was smitten with many other types too - Susan Moonsie - darker skinned dark eyes, Kim Basinger - blonde/blue eyes, Carmen E - all american with light eyes, Anna Garcia - a mix but a very American look, Nona Gaye - lighter skinned African American with dark eyes, Jill Jones - mixed race but very light skinned, Mayte Garcia - Spanish with very light skin, dark eyes and dark hair, and Susannah Melvoin - white with dark eyes and dark brown curly hair. So, his "type" was all over the place. I actually completely agree with the bolded. Excellent  ... But Manny was still the splitting image of Denise. 
Well.. As much as she could be. Denise was one of a kind. [Edited 2/18/19 14:50pm] | |
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