amethyst68 said:

What she failed to say is that she’d started a gofundme asking for money and was on Facebook bitching about not being paid well or correctly when working for Prince. If I saw it, I’m sure he saw it or someone close to him saw it. I love how people like to re-write history but their were fans who witnessed these things. [Edited 1/4/19 21:31pm]

PennyPurple said:

amethyst68 said:

What she failed to say is that she’d started a gofundme asking for money and was on Facebook bitching about not being paid well or correctly when working for Prince. If I saw it, I’m sure he saw it or someone close to him saw it. I love how people like to re-write history but their were fans who witnessed these things. [Edited 1/4/19 21:31pm]

Wrong. A good friend of hers created the GoFundMe page during the time when her Ex was not paying support. Susannah did not start the page.

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Yep. She did have a "made shitty pay at Paisley Park" under the Former Employer section on her FB page. Every single person in his camp back then has stated they made very little money while working with/for him - everyone. Prince made millions though. Not saying he didn't deserve it. However, it seems he could have "shared the wealth" a bit more during that time.

PennyPurple said:

violetcrush said:

Oh yes PennyP....those "black and white" documents filed with the court tell us soooo much, don't they? Can you post where in those documents it states that Susannah Melvoin personally called Prince to ask him for a loan?? Can you post on what date she contacted him to ask for said loan? Can you post the details of their conversation? Doubtful...very doubtful, because loan documents typically don't provide information of that nature.

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Violetcrush post #20:

Yes, it is extremely sad that he was reaching out to many of those who he had been close to in the past and reconnecting and/or making amends not long before he passed. I love that he helped Brenda, Susan and Apollonia monetarily and also reached out to Susannah to help her financially and to work with her again. It shows that he did care about their well being and wanted to maintain relationships with them.

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Susannah stated in this interview that Prince "had heard that she was struggling" - she did not say "I was struggling, and I contacted Prince to ask him for help". Susannah also stated in this interview "after Moline Prince's Engineer called me to tell me that he wanted to record with me again". Prince's Engineer would NOT have contacted Susannah without Prince's direction to do so.

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SO AGAIN....NO NARRATIVE CHANGED AT ALL HERE

I just have no words left for this stupidity.

Those who have nothing left to say typically go for the insults instead

violetcrush said:

I wish that engineer would co-sign this statement because to me she sounds like she’s fibbing in at least some of her comments, and like Judge Judy says, if you lie once, then you’re a liar and it becomes hard to believe anything she says.

So did any of you listen to the interview?

Strawberrylova123 said:

Yes, I listened twice.
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With regard to events and experiences in the 80's - I imagine it is not always easy to recall exact details as she's going back 40 years. However, her information has been consistent across interviews, and also meshes with what has been written in earlier Biographies.

pinkcashmere23 said:

Don't think I've heard the version with 3EG. I'll have to look for that one. The original demo and the 2009 Montreux are my favs

muchtoofast said:

I just do not think she would fabricate a story like that. If she was going to create a false story then why not state that Prince contacted her instead? Why even bring another person into the mix? That makes no sense.

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yes I was just listening to the live version on C-Note. The version at Montreux 2009 and Zurich 2011 are two of my favorites. The ones that he did with 3rd Eye Girl were nice too,I thought and I loved that he played piano for them. I think the rehearsal that he shared with 3rd Eye Girl with the melancholy piano outro is beautiful.

Don't think I've heard the version with 3EG. I'll have to look for that one. The original demo and the 2009 Montreux are my favs

They played some good versions on the Hit N Run tours as well. I love the version from Zurich 2011 because of the emotion that he put into it. That scream at the end was impressive! The one by 3EG was very easy to find but I haven't seen it in a while so I'm not sure if it's still available. It was a more somber version and it was posted with a photo of a man kneeling. I believe Prince shared it in October 2014 iirc.

pinkcashmere23 said:

Okay thanks. I'll look for that one

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

They played some good versions on the Hit N Run tours as well. I love the version from Zurich 2011 because of the emotion that he put into it. That scream at the end was impressive! The one by 3EG was very easy to find but I haven't seen it in a while so I'm not sure if it's still available. It was a more somber version and it was posted with a photo of a man kneeling. I believe Prince shared it in October 2014 iirc.

Okay thanks. I'll look for that one

You're welcome. I'm going to go look myself and see if it's still available.

pinkcashmere23 said:

Just listened to it. Very haunting at the end. The original is still my #1 because it was recorded "in the moment", and 2009 Montreux is a close second.

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

You're welcome. I'm going to go look myself and see if it's still available.

Just listened to it. Very haunting at the end. The original is still my #1 because it was recorded "in the moment", and 2009 Montreux is a close second.

Yes it is. The piano at the end gets to me a bit. I agree. The Montreux version is my favorite but I love all of the performances I've heard and seen. He always performed it with so much emotion.

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said: Just listened to it. Very haunting at the end. The original is still my #1 because it was recorded "in the moment", and 2009 Montreux is a close second.

Yes it is. The piano at the end gets to me a bit. I agree. The Montreux version is my favorite but I love all of the performances I've heard and seen. He always performed it with so much emotion.

I have to say it may be my favorite love song that he's done. I think because he kept it locked away for so many years, which shows that it seemed to mean something to him. Also, the sound is just timeless. Same with Condition Of The Heart. Both of those could have easily been recorded in any decade. Just hauntingly beautiful.

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yes it is. The piano at the end gets to me a bit. I agree. The Montreux version is my favorite but I love all of the performances I've heard and seen. He always performed it with so much emotion.

I have to say it may be my favorite love song that he's done. I think because he kept it locked away for so many years, which shows that it seemed to mean something to him. Also, the sound is just timeless. Same with Condition Of The Heart. Both of those could have easily been recorded in any decade. Just hauntingly beautiful.

Yes,I agree. I loved the emotional renditions of "Condition Of The Heart"for the P&M shows too.

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

I have to say it may be my favorite love song that he's done. I think because he kept it locked away for so many years, which shows that it seemed to mean something to him. Also, the sound is just timeless. Same with Condition Of The Heart. Both of those could have easily been recorded in any decade. Just hauntingly beautiful.

Yes,I agree. I loved the emotional renditions of "Condition Of The Heart"for the P&M shows too.

Yaaasssss!!! And the last P&M show where he mixed IIWYGF and Waiting In Vain...goodness gracious that was just beautiful and heart-wrenching!!

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To me, the saddest thing about his life in terms of a relationship with a woman, is that he could only communicate his true feelings and be honest through his music - seems he could not do it any other way. That is so sad to me.

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yes,I agree. I loved the emotional renditions of "Condition Of The Heart"for the P&M shows too.

Yaaasssss!!! And the last P&M show where he mixed IIWYGF and Waiting In Vain...goodness gracious that was just beautiful and heart-wrenching!!

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To me, the saddest thing about his life in terms of a relationship with a woman, is that he could only communicate his true feelings and be honest through his music - seems he could not do it any other way. That is so sad to me.

I loved that performance as well! He played it like that at some of the other shows too. I also love his rendition of "Thieves In The Temple" for the shows. Yes,music seemed to be his main outlet to channel his emotions. I find it sad too. I found what Susannah said about him shutting her out and not speaking to her very sad but also interesting. It reminded me of something that was said by Mayte and I heard he had done the same with Mani. He was truly a complex and fascinating person.

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

Yaaasssss!!! And the last P&M show where he mixed IIWYGF and Waiting In Vain...goodness gracious that was just beautiful and heart-wrenching!!

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To me, the saddest thing about his life in terms of a relationship with a woman, is that he could only communicate his true feelings and be honest through his music - seems he could not do it any other way. That is so sad to me.

I loved that performance as well! He played it like that at some of the other shows too. I also love his rendition of "Thieves In The Temple" for the shows. Yes,music seemed to be his main outlet to channel his emotions. I find it sad too. I found what Susannah said about him shutting her out and not speaking to her very sad but also interesting. It reminded me of something that was said by Mayte and I heard he had done the same with Mani. He was truly a complex and fascinating person.

Yes, it seems his "spots" did not change as he moved into other relationships. I'm sure Susan, Vanity, Susannah, and the rest all experienced the same dynamic with him. I'm sure if they got together and exchanged stories most would be very similar.

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I do think it is possible that she is the one he regretted losing, but who really knows for sure. Going by his songs of lost love and regret - they are about someone from his past.

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I loved that performance as well! He played it like that at some of the other shows too. I also love his rendition of "Thieves In The Temple" for the shows. Yes,music seemed to be his main outlet to channel his emotions. I find it sad too. I found what Susannah said about him shutting her out and not speaking to her very sad but also interesting. It reminded me of something that was said by Mayte and I heard he had done the same with Mani. He was truly a complex and fascinating person.

Yes, it seems his "spots" did not change as he moved into other relationships. I'm sure Susan, Vanity, Susannah, and the rest all experienced the same dynamic with him. I'm sure if they got together and exchanged stories most would be very similar.

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I do think it is possible that she is the one he regretted losing, but who really knows for sure. Going by his songs of lost love and regret - they are about someone from his past.

Yep. That would be an interesting discussion I'm sure. I think the fact that he was reaching out to her as late as the mid nineties and the note he wrote her telling her that he loved her and to write shows there was still something there. I think so too. I noticed there weren't many songs like that on the last few albums. Most of the tracks were light and fun with the exception of "Breakdown","Whitecaps" and "June" but he did share the rehearsal of "Empty Room" after the release of Art Official Age.

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, it seems his "spots" did not change as he moved into other relationships. I'm sure Susan, Vanity, Susannah, and the rest all experienced the same dynamic with him. I'm sure if they got together and exchanged stories most would be very similar.

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I do think it is possible that she is the one he regretted losing, but who really knows for sure. Going by his songs of lost love and regret - they are about someone from his past.

Yep. That would be an interesting discussion I'm sure. I think the fact that he was reaching out to her as late as the mid nineties and the note he wrote her telling her that he loved her and to write shows there was still something there. I think so too. I noticed there weren't many songs like that on the last few albums. Most of the tracks were light and fun with the exception of "Breakdown","Whitecaps" and "June" but he did share the rehearsal of "Empty Room" after the release of Art Official Age.

Yes, I think one can argue that he harbored a special love for her.

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Although, not many people talk about his time with Kim Basinger, but I think he may have fallen hard for her too. I think Acknowledge Me, Dark, and I Wonder are some of the songs connected to her. During his show at the StarsNBars concert in 1994 he says, "much props to the woman who...she knows who she is..she shouldn't have gotten married". Kim B got married in '93. Then, before he starts playing Dark he says, "she won't acknowledge me, so I'm just in the dark, she left me in the dark".

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But other songs about lost love in the 90's seem to point more toward Susannah, so who knows.

Could be that he was able to "compartmentalize" his feelings for multiple women. Such a complex person, that's for sure!!

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yep. That would be an interesting discussion I'm sure. I think the fact that he was reaching out to her as late as the mid nineties and the note he wrote her telling her that he loved her and to write shows there was still something there. I think so too. I noticed there weren't many songs like that on the last few albums. Most of the tracks were light and fun with the exception of "Breakdown","Whitecaps" and "June" but he did share the rehearsal of "Empty Room" after the release of Art Official Age.

Yes, I think one can argue that he harbored a special love for her.

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Although, not many people talk about his time with Kim Basinger, but I think he may have fallen hard for her too. I think Acknowledge Me, Dark, and I Wonder are some of the songs connected to her. During his show at the StarsNBars concert in 1994 he says, "much props to the woman who...she knows who she is..she shouldn't have gotten married". Kim B got married in '93. Then, before he starts playing Dark he says, "she won't acknowledge me, so I'm just in the dark, she left me in the dark".

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But other songs about lost love in the 90's seem to point more toward Susannah, so who knows.

Could be that he was able to "compartmentalize" his feelings for multiple women. Such a complex person, that's for sure!!

Yes,I think he did and may have had regrets later on about the relationship. Hmm yes he and Kim were pretty hot and heavy for a while according to insiders who were around at the time. She developed an obsession with him from what they have said. I've read that "Scandalous" was about their relationship. I think some songs recorded in the 90's were possibly inspired by Susannah such as some on Emancipation,outtakes for the album and some songs that turned up on more recent albums as well.

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, I think one can argue that he harbored a special love for her.

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Although, not many people talk about his time with Kim Basinger, but I think he may have fallen hard for her too. I think Acknowledge Me, Dark, and I Wonder are some of the songs connected to her. During his show at the StarsNBars concert in 1994 he says, "much props to the woman who...she knows who she is..she shouldn't have gotten married". Kim B got married in '93. Then, before he starts playing Dark he says, "she won't acknowledge me, so I'm just in the dark, she left me in the dark".

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But other songs about lost love in the 90's seem to point more toward Susannah, so who knows.

Could be that he was able to "compartmentalize" his feelings for multiple women. Such a complex person, that's for sure!!

Yes,I think he did and may have had regrets later on about the relationship. Hmm yes he and Kim were pretty hot and heavy for a while according to insiders who were around at the time. She developed an obsession with him from what they have said. I've read that "Scandalous" was about their relationship. I think some songs recorded in the 90's were possibly inspired by Susannah such as some on Emancipation,outtakes for the album and some songs that turned up on more recent albums as well.

Actually, the original Scandalous was first recorded Oct 1988 during the time he was with Anna Garcia, which makes sense, as she was still underage when he began dating her. He did re-record it as The Scandalous Sex Suite in Oct 1989 during his time with Kim B. Talk about recycling a song! Too funny I think I Love U In Me is also about her based on the Summer/Autumn 1989 recording date.

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yes,I think he did and may have had regrets later on about the relationship. Hmm yes he and Kim were pretty hot and heavy for a while according to insiders who were around at the time. She developed an obsession with him from what they have said. I've read that "Scandalous" was about their relationship. I think some songs recorded in the 90's were possibly inspired by Susannah such as some on Emancipation,outtakes for the album and some songs that turned up on more recent albums as well.

Actually, the original Scandalous was first recorded Oct 1988 during the time he was with Anna Garcia, which makes sense, as she was still underage when he began dating her. He did re-record it as The Scandalous Sex Suite in Oct 1989 during his time with Kim B. Talk about recycling a song! Too funny I think I Love U In Me is also about her based on the Summer/Autumn 1989 recording date.

Yes,I had assumed that it was about Anna as well but an insider in one of the biographies I read suggested that it may have been about Kim and of course The Scandalous Sex Suite. Maybe he wrote it for Anna but also associated it with his relationship with Kim so it then became about her. I believe he likely did that often with various songs.

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

Actually, the original Scandalous was first recorded Oct 1988 during the time he was with Anna Garcia, which makes sense, as she was still underage when he began dating her. He did re-record it as The Scandalous Sex Suite in Oct 1989 during his time with Kim B. Talk about recycling a song! Too funny I think I Love U In Me is also about her based on the Summer/Autumn 1989 recording date.

Yes,I had assumed that it was about Anna as well but an insider in one of the biographies I read suggested that it may have been about Kim and of course The Scandalous Sex Suite. Maybe he wrote it for Anna but also associated it with his relationship with Kim so it then became about her. I believe he likely did that often with various songs.

Yes, agreed. He seemed to have morphed the song into a much bigger thing with Kim B - orgasmic moans and all I guess the "scandal" became their more secret affair instead of Prince dating an underage girl

Strawberrylova123 said:

I did. I got the impression there was not a lot of romance except for the Paris and Nice time, and he was there making a movie anyway so that seemed simply coincidental to me. We know he was pillow talking and seeing Devon during this time and maybe Vanity and Jill also. “I have to get engaged” is what he said to Devon when he ended their relationship. But he then called Devon from France and asks her to come see him so he isn’t committed to Susannah at this time either.

Sounded to me like Susannah was a bit of a squatter who wouldn’t leave even though Prince left her several times to visit one of his other women. Their sex life was nothing special according to her.

muchtoofast said:

She never said that their sex life wasn't special just normal sexuality

Strawberrylova123 said:

And that's all I'm going to say
..i dont want 2 turn this thread into a sex thread.

pinkcashmere23 said:

Sorry I can’t find the original post but I think you’re referring to ‘Empty Room’? If so, I agree the intensity of this song is palpable, especially in the Zurich 2011 show (my favorite version). I knew he had written this for Susannah but didn’t know until this interview that it was during Bobby Z’s wedding.
I always wondered who he was thinking of when he performed it at the Zurich 2011 show, it was so visceral and devastatingly sad. You never know with Prince.

bsprout said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yes I was just listening to the live version on C-Note. The version at Montreux 2009 and Zurich 2011 are two of my favorites. The ones that he did with 3rd Eye Girl were nice too,I thought and I loved that he played piano for them. I think the rehearsal that he shared with 3rd Eye Girl with the melancholy piano outro is beautiful.

Sorry I can’t find the original post but I think you’re referring to ‘Empty Room’? If so, I agree the intensity of this song is palpable, especially in the Zurich 2011 show (my favorite version). I knew he had written this for Susannah but didn’t know until this interview that it was during Bobby Z’s wedding. I always wondered who he was thinking of when he performed it at the Zurich 2011 show, it was so visceral and devastatingly sad. You never know with Prince.

Yes,I was referring to 'Empty Room." The performance in Zurich was something special and it did seem he was relating to it personally that night. I haven't seen it in a while but I remember vividly that shattering scream at the end and it giving me chills.

Strawberrylova123 said:

muchtoofast said:

I did. I got the impression there was not a lot of romance except for the Paris and Nice time, and he was there making a movie anyway so that seemed simply coincidental to me. We know he was pillow talking and seeing Devon during this time and maybe Vanity and Jill also. “I have to get engaged” is what he said to Devon when he ended their relationship. But he then called Devon from France and asks her to come see him so he isn’t committed to Susannah at this time either. Sounded to me like Susannah was a bit of a squatter who wouldn’t leave even though Prince left her several times to visit one of his other women. Their sex life was nothing special according to her.

She never said that their sex life wasn't special just normal sexuality

Yes, her discussion of their sexual relations was in reference to Toure asking her about it, because Prince's songs were often very sexual in nature. She was, as diplomatically as possible, trying to explain that his hyper-sexual persona on stage and/or in his music was something different than his sexuality as a man, not a performer.

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@muchtoofast:

We need to be real here for a minute. Thinking that Devon D was anything more than a sexual diversion/side piece for Prince, like so many others, would be quite naive, I think. Regardless of Prince supposedly telling her he "had to get engaged" (and I think Jill Jones was the one who actually made that statement), the fact remains that:

-Prince flew Suannah to NY

-he arranged for her to be presented with a 6 carat ring

-he flew her to Paris to spend a week with him alone

-he flew her to Nice for most of his time there

-he put her front and center in the Girls & Boys video

-he planned and lived in the Galpin house with her

-oh, and he wrote some of his best love songs for/about her

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I don't recall Prince doing any of the above for/with Devon, Vanity, Jill...??? Prince refused to even introduce Devon to the members of The Revolution. She was a sex toy for him for a period of time. If she was anything more he would have been doing all of the above for her and not Susannah.

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As has been stated numerous times, Prince was NEVER completely monogamous. So, if you take that piece off of the table, and you base his feelings off of the songs he wrote - because this is how he communicated those feelings - then, sorry - I gotta give it up to Susannah in terms of who was most important to him and affected him on a deeper level.