I listened to CHarles podcast and I hate to say it but I think he is as bad as the rest of them. If you clocked it, you would notice that nearly half of the podcast was him bragging about himself or talking about the early days of the Minnesota Sound (that he was involved with). He said the last time he had a deep conversation with Prince was in 1985, he said he learned stuff about his cousin by reading Alex Hahn recently. He even said some prejudice things against Italians and, I believe, Jews..(charles referenced a group of people who like to hang around black artists and manage them and their money after stating that he hated being politically correct.) I wish the quest to get answers for P's death was lead by more sensible folks than him, cat Glover or even JIll JOnes (who sadly is the most reasonable of the three.) elisa seems reasonable however. They all make valid points about the lack of justice in P's case but other stuff they say is constantly raising eyebrows.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well at least they are giving you more barking time on the org right?

It is the truth. There comments were tacky but there they are singing his songs.

His cousin Charles pointed the same thing out about Andre.

No body is going to have completely nice things to say about Prince. Even the wonderful morris hayes can't help but mention that there were several different Princes and that working for him could be nerve-wracking and exhausting. That being said, none of them have the right to paint him in a one-dimensional way or to ignore his humor, charm, individual and complete talents or what he did for them.

Balance, balance, balance is what I say. Prince always said Thank you to his musicians when he called their names during concerts and allowing them to appear on magazine covers with him (or appearing on magazine covers to help promote them--Rhonda Smith, Renato Neto) , even bragging about their individual talents. If they felt he didn't appreciate them, they weren't paying attention or were working too hard to see it. I am not talking about writing credits as much probably because people like W and L have been doing interviews for 30 years stating their importance. I have learned more musician names through becoming a Prince fan than I have learned in hte last 40 years of my life. I used to be a Sinatra fanatic and I learned about some of his more famous musical arrangers (the extremely brilliant Nelson Riddle for example) and some musical collaborators --COunt Basie), but not as many musicians as I have learned about through Prince. I did not even have to look up many of P's musicians names because he told them to all of us in the concert footage.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well at least they are giving you more barking time on the org right?

It is the truth. There comments were tacky but there they are singing his songs.

His cousin Charles pointed the same thing out about Andre.

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laurarichardson said:

Bon Iver didn't play Prince's songs. Lol He did his own music. It was an outdoor concert with several acts on the schedule doing their own music.
And believe me my kids have seen plenty of Prince's concerts via YT etc. They were blown away by the energy they bring as the talented and professional musicians they are due to their years of experience touring and performing. Its very obvious when they are on stage.

I am glad they were turning unexpecting kids onto the Revolution's talent but I would hope they were even more blown away with the PRince YT stuff. If not then you are not showing them the right clips.

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:

Well he is dead and a person with home training might have let the back-biting comments go.

As far as Bon Iver I hope P comes back as a ghost and haunts whatever fool let that boring snoozer sing P's songs.

Bon Iver didn't play Prince's songs. Lol He did his own music. It was an outdoor concert with several acts on the schedule doing their own music. And believe me my kids have seen plenty of Prince's concerts via YT etc. They were blown away by the energy they bring as the talented and professional musicians they are due to their years of experience touring and performing. Its very obvious when they are on stage.

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Have you gone to any theaters in your area if they played Purple Rain?

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Well of course it would be partially for them.

When I paint/draw pictures of Prince it is for him and partially for me.

There is something that helps you when you are a creative person(painter or musician) when you express that very internal thing.

purplerabbithole said:

Please tell me you had taken your sons to an actual Prince concert or at least sent them to concerts online. I personally would rather watch the MOntreux 2009 bootlegs over and over (and have) than a Revolution concert. The best way to honor Prince is to direct people to PRince.. (and not just Prince and the Revoluiton concerts in grainy quality from 1983...although I could watch some of those clips over and over--Computer Blue from 1st avenue--holy shit...)

The Revolution and the NPG are making money doing music they love but let's not pretend its all for Prince. Its as much for themselves if not more. I don't know--maybe they figure the estate has fallen short on honoring his live work so they want to give folks an idea of what they were taught or were able to bring to the entirety of the sound. I am all for his musicians getting their due. I watched a podcast recently with Greg Breyer (I think that is his name) and hearing him love on the ability and talent of all the musicians he saw work with Prince and for him to love on Prince as well...that was great. I want all these musicians who do real music to get love but Prince was singular and irreplaceable and I would rather these folks do one big show together (like a 2 day free festival) and then be inspired to keep moving forward than play his most obvious hits for months on end and spend most of the time making new or casual fans think that Prince was nothing without the Revolution.

sonshine said:

I've been to a couple of their shows. I will tell you one thing: they are giving the people (fans) what they wsnt. Their shows are well received so i'm pretty sure they don't give a darn what anyone here thinks or says about it. Or anyone else. As it should be. I don't care to hear about all this behind the scenes back-biting between his past associates. It's irrelevant and tbh just plain petty. Enjoy the music. Or don't. Its as simple as that. On a side note my son and his friends attended a show this summer in Mpls to see Bon Iver and the Revolution played a set prior. When we met up after the show those kids were unexpectedly blown away by the Revolution. I feel its a blessing they are out there turning naive music fans on to Prince's work ❤

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Another thesis...

I don't think they played Purple Rain here. But I rented it on Amazon prime and my kids and I watched the censored version on VHI. I have also watched the musical moments from PR over and over again on youtube (Beatiful ONes being my favorite moment) I actually prefer UTCM for some reason. I have seen that one 3 or 4 times. My kids are getting to hear Prince music but they are still young and i have to tread lightly.

As for artists expressing their appreciation of his work through performance--fine. At least they could be brave enough and generous enough to pick really cool deep cuts of his from varying periods and revamp them in interesting ways after talking about what made them brilliant. Appreciating a 40year career means digging through the muck to get the gems sometimes.. People who were grooving on Prince and the Revolution back in the day of course are going to appreciate the Revolution...casual fans and those who think P's career took a deep decline after W, L, sheila and leeds left. But sometimes I think people love on these revolution concerts not just because of the quality of the songs and talent on stage, but because they want to eradicate the part of his history that came after. They want to revel in the time when Prince was the sex-crazed, mtv embracing, Warner Brothers star with the multiracial and seemingly all inclusive band backing him. But to honor someone, (in my opinion) is to also educate people to the entirety of an artists' career. It takes effort, love and forgiveness to look through the more inconsistent, painful and frustrating parts of his career with the same respect and find the gems. I think he deserves that becuase of all the hard work he did. Maybe all of his musicians that he used and replaced deserve love, but they can get that love by using his legacy as a jumping off point; at least they can do that with a real respect for the entirety of his career, the difficult trajectory of his life and work and the abilty to forgive his mistakes and shortcomings. The Revolution tour is not inherently a bad thing but its timing and their lack of involvement in anything else prince related is disappointing. Until they embrace a little more of his career in some way, I can't bring myself to see them.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Have you gone to any theaters in your area if they played Purple Rain?

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Well of course it would be partially for them.

When I paint/draw pictures of Prince it is for him and partially for me.

There is something that helps you when you are a creative person(painter or musician) when you express that very internal thing.

purplerabbithole said:

Please tell me you had taken your sons to an actual Prince concert or at least sent them to concerts online. I personally would rather watch the MOntreux 2009 bootlegs over and over (and have) than a Revolution concert. The best way to honor Prince is to direct people to PRince.. (and not just Prince and the Revoluiton concerts in grainy quality from 1983...although I could watch some of those clips over and over--Computer Blue from 1st avenue--holy shit...)

The Revolution and the NPG are making money doing music they love but let's not pretend its all for Prince. Its as much for themselves if not more. I don't know--maybe they figure the estate has fallen short on honoring his live work so they want to give folks an idea of what they were taught or were able to bring to the entirety of the sound. I am all for his musicians getting their due. I watched a podcast recently with Greg Breyer (I think that is his name) and hearing him love on the ability and talent of all the musicians he saw work with Prince and for him to love on Prince as well...that was great. I want all these musicians who do real music to get love but Prince was singular and irreplaceable and I would rather these folks do one big show together (like a 2 day free festival) and then be inspired to keep moving forward than play his most obvious hits for months on end and spend most of the time making new or casual fans think that Prince was nothing without the Revolution.

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Go Maceo...the dude's cool.

laurarichardson said:

Yes, blame on social media and not ego and greed. Notice how other band members that Prince had are not acting like this they are out working. Prince worked with people like Maceo Parker legends who know how to stay employeed and not hitch their star to someone for life.

OldFriends4Sale said:

If from day one, JJ didn't put that bull out on FB and just talked to them, we wouldn't be here.
BrownMark Jill Jones Revolution take it all offline and talk like people who worked together before there was Twitter FB Instagram, dam even before email.

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I just need music. More music. We need the August 1983 show on DVD/CD with loads of photos

We need that November 1984 Nice, France show on DVD/CD

I need a few more deluxe releases... and a few boots

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

Whenever Gravy Train is mentioned I always recall those old Dog food commercials. The dogs come running from around the corner.

Some of the associates remind me of those dogs.

But why has this turned into another bitchout out thread? when it was just about a tweet from BrownMark 2 Jill Jones?

typical...

responding to goodie Laurarichardson
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Uh so Maceo Chaka and Larry Graham did not hitch their star to Prince's success?

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Who was Larry when Prince dug him up and put him on some of his shows?

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When Prince booked the Larry Graham review over Sheila E and the EBand(who were working hard) who got the booking?

purplerabbithole said:

Go Maceo...the dude's cool.

laurarichardson said:

Yes, blame on social media and not ego and greed. Notice how other band members that Prince had are not acting like this they are out working. Prince worked with people like Maceo Parker legends who know how to stay employeed and not hitch their star to someone for life.

If you have to ask who Larry Graham was then it speaks volumes about what you do not know.

Prince's high school band's name came from Larry's bands name. Prince was a hugh fan and Larry's rep for innovative bass playing will stand his hooking up with Prince has no bearing on that.

Same goes for Maceo or Chaka. Excellent artist. Thease people were working in music before Prince knew himself and they did not need Prince for a job.

W&L have done nothing but the incidental music for T. V shows and are more known by the public for their time with Prince then anything else.

All funk fans know who Larry Graham, Maceo, and Chaka are and would know if Prince had never been born.

I do not know what Sheile E had to even do with anything. If she can forgive someone for raping her I am sure she forgave Prince for not booking her. I believe their falling out was over other things that had nothing to do with a booking.

OldFriends4Sale said:

responding to goodie Laurarichardson
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Uh so Maceo Chaka and Larry Graham did not hitch their star to Prince's success?

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Who was Larry when Prince dug him up and put him on some of his shows?

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When Prince booked the Larry Graham review over Sheila E and the EBand(who were working hard) who got the booking?

purplerabbithole said:

Go Maceo...the dude's cool.

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Some of the associates remind me of those dogs.

But why has this turned into another bitchout out thread? when it was just about a tweet from BrownMark 2 Jill Jones?

typical...

Because BrownMark is a little bitch boy.

Did you listen to the 3 hour version? The last hour he had great things to say about him and Prince growing up. He also talked about being happy with his life and how he has a hugh scrape book with clipppings of all the stuff Prince did. He also said he was shocked when Tyka told him how much Prince talked about him as an influnence. I hate saying this maybe Prince kept Charles away because Chazz was not going to kiss his ass or b.s. him. I agree with Chazz he needed someone around who was going to keep it real.

Chazz was also very clear about Andre telling lies and I think he explained his problem with Dre.

He was not attacking anyone he speaking about Prince's mgmt and how they told him to get rid of Charles. Why would he be okay with that?

purplerabbithole said:

I listened to CHarles podcast and I hate to say it but I think he is as bad as the rest of them. If you clocked it, you would notice that nearly half of the podcast was him bragging about himself or talking about the early days of the Minnesota Sound (that he was involved with). He said the last time he had a deep conversation with Prince was in 1985, he said he learned stuff about his cousin by reading Alex Hahn recently. He even said some prejudice things against Italians and, I believe, Jews..(charles referenced a group of people who like to hang around black artists and manage them and their money after stating that he hated being politically correct.) I wish the quest to get answers for P's death was lead by more sensible folks than him, cat Glover or even JIll JOnes (who sadly is the most reasonable of the three.) elisa seems reasonable however. They all make valid points about the lack of justice in P's case but other stuff they say is constantly raising eyebrows.

laurarichardson said:

It is the truth. There comments were tacky but there they are singing his songs.

His cousin Charles pointed the same thing out about Andre.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

But why has this turned into another bitchout out thread? when it was just about a tweet from BrownMark 2 Jill Jones?

typical...

Because BrownMark is a little bitch boy.

LOL he has a right to cry for the lost of Prince, just like you have the right to bitch about it

I know who they are sweets

But in 1996 when he pulled Larry to play base sometimes, uh why was that. You think Larry Graham isn't riding the purple connection?

Chaka and Maceo's careers weren't going anywhere when decided to save them.

I'm not talking about Sheila forgiving anyone, I'm talking about Larry career outside of Sly & the Family stone being the result of riding the purple train

laurarichardson said:

If you have to ask who Larry Graham was then it speaks volumes about what you do not know.

Prince's high school band's name came from Larry's bands name. Prince was a hugh fan and Larry's rep for innovative bass playing will stand his hooking up with Prince has no bearing on that.

Same goes for Maceo or Chaka. Excellent artist. Thease people were working in music before Prince knew himself and they did not need Prince for a job.

W&L have done nothing but the incidental music for T. V shows and are more known by the public for their time with Prince then anything else.

All funk fans know who Larry Graham, Maceo, and Chaka are and would know if Prince had never been born.

I do not know what Sheile E had to even do with anything. If she can forgive someone for raping her I am sure she forgave Prince for not booking her. I believe their falling out was over other things that had nothing to do with a booking.

OldFriends4Sale said:

responding to goodie Laurarichardson
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Uh so Maceo Chaka and Larry Graham did not hitch their star to Prince's success?

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Who was Larry when Prince dug him up and put him on some of his shows?

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When Prince booked the Larry Graham review over Sheila E and the EBand(who were working hard) who got the booking?

I listened to the Michael Dean podcast. Not everyting he said was indicative of a wannabe or anything. He did state that he pulled himself out of the music scene etc. But I feel that his interview indicated that his quest for jusice for P had other agendas(like bitterness about the music scene and how it recognized Prince but then controlled him and spit hiim out )--not invalid points but it seems like he was using the PRince tragedy as a reason to rail against a music scene that took him himself for granted. I kind of doubt he was even close to Prince after the 1980's. To me, that is not much of a family connection. The whole argument that he could have saved Prince by being real with him, well, did he ever try to make a stink when Prince was looking sick and frail in concerts/pictures. Did he try?

laurarichardson said:

Did you listen to the 3 hour version? The last hour he had great things to say about him and Prince growing up. He also talked about being happy with his life and how he has a hugh scrape book with clipppings of all the stuff Prince did. He also said he was shocked when Tyka told him how much Prince talked about him as an influnence. I hate saying this maybe Prince kept Charles away because Chazz was not going to kiss his ass or b.s. him. I agree with Chazz he needed someone around who was going to keep it real.

Chazz was also very clear about Andre telling lies and I think he explained his problem with Dre.

He was not attacking anyone he speaking about Prince's mgmt and how they told him to get rid of Charles. Why would he be okay with that?

purplerabbithole said:

I listened to CHarles podcast and I hate to say it but I think he is as bad as the rest of them. If you clocked it, you would notice that nearly half of the podcast was him bragging about himself or talking about the early days of the Minnesota Sound (that he was involved with). He said the last time he had a deep conversation with Prince was in 1985, he said he learned stuff about his cousin by reading Alex Hahn recently. He even said some prejudice things against Italians and, I believe, Jews..(charles referenced a group of people who like to hang around black artists and manage them and their money after stating that he hated being politically correct.) I wish the quest to get answers for P's death was lead by more sensible folks than him, cat Glover or even JIll JOnes (who sadly is the most reasonable of the three.) elisa seems reasonable however. They all make valid points about the lack of justice in P's case but other stuff they say is constantly raising eyebrows.

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That is not what she means and you know it. She was referring to Mark Brown feeling neglected as a band member back in the day because Prince was closer to females. Mark Brown gets on my nerves as well sometimes. Instead of saying he deserves credit for helping to arrange and funkify "Kiss", he basically implies he wrote it entirely ("When I wrote the music for Kiss" type statements make it sound like Prince just wrote the lyrics--like Prince is Bernie Taupin..) He also made that not-to-bright statement that death is the payment we make for our sins so that's why he forgave Prince for his bad side. I know you and others said I misinterpreted that biblical reference, but I still think it was an ill-adviced and insenstive thing to say because it could be construed as Prince was being punished for his sins by dying . Plus, people shouldn't have to die to be forgiven. I have listened to Mark Brown Podcasts, he's okay and I do believe he is underrated bass player (and understand if he felt under-utilized when Prince changed up the Revolution with additional flashiness on stage during the Parade years) but I do think he is a bit of a baby. (and a part of me think he is kind of glad Prince is gone so he can shine a little--I hate to say that, but I can't help feeling that vibe--he is now upfront and not having to compete with more charismatic members of Prince's extended Revolution band.)

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Because BrownMark is a little bitch boy.

LOL he has a right to cry for the lost of Prince, just like you have the right to bitch about it

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don't diminish Maceo Parker's, Chaka Khan's and even LG's career prior to Prince to build up the Revolution. Wendy and Lisa were completely unknown before Prince (as well the rest of the revolution ). That is no way diminishing their talent and their family histories of studio musicans etc. But Wendy was 19 when she was hired by Prince as you know..(and that is something) Maceo Parker played for James Friggin Brown and was considered a legend before he worked with Prince. The rest of his career has been his own doing. He has his own band that tours around the world and doesn't play Prince songs. Morris Hayes worked for Maceo for 2 years. Prince helped out Chaka at times but really her career had been solid years before and after him. I just read her wikipedia page to remind myself of the specifics of her career and Prince's involvement in it, and Prince is barely mentioned. Larry Graham is less famous than Chaka and I do feel you might be right about him but he and his band have their own songs and don't just cover Prince. So I got to respect that and he was obviously a bass playing innovator so amongst musicians he's very respected. Wendy and Lisa are very respected as well in the industry (as they should be) but the rest of the Revolution aren;t as revered, and like I said, they started very young working for Prince.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

responding to goodie Laurarichardson
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Uh so Maceo Chaka and Larry Graham did not hitch their star to Prince's success?

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Who was Larry when Prince dug him up and put him on some of his shows?

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When Prince booked the Larry Graham review over Sheila E and the EBand(who were working hard) who got the booking?

purplerabbithole said:

Go Maceo...the dude's cool.

Oh come on, like Brown didn't know it would start some shit (or continue it). He is no better than Jill in that respect.

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Some of the associates remind me of those dogs.

But why has this turned into another bitchout out thread? when it was just about a tweet from BrownMark 2 Jill Jones?

typical...

No, Larry was working part-time and being a Elder with the JWs. He did a bunch of Sinbad's funk fest down in Aruba and hooked up with Prince thru Sinbad. I am sure he was happy preaching and playing his bass. No one in their mid-fourtys is going to being selling millions of albums especially not RnB artist. If you are still performing and people actually want to see you after 50 plus years you are doing good. I am pretty sure LG pulls down enough cash in his lifetime playing that bass then you will ever see.

Maceo is a side man who had never been unemployed so once again what are talking about? He went from James B to P-Funk to Solo work with albums to working with Prince. A working musician who is not doing incidental music. Same goes for Chaka as LG. These people were working before Prince came along and the still are working. Do some reserch sweetie pie. You are comparing actual working musicians with W&L who if they really had it going on could have formed another band or become like Jam and Lewis. This did not happen because they simply are just side people who unfortunatly got their heads blown up by Prince. He made them think they were front people when they are not and they are still bitter about it.

You can bet your bottom dollar. If I go see any of these performers there whole show is not going to be filled with songs written by Prince.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I know who they are sweets

But in 1996 when he pulled Larry to play base sometimes, uh why was that. You think Larry Graham isn't riding the purple connection?

Chaka and Maceo's careers weren't going anywhere when decided to save them.

I'm not talking about Sheila forgiving anyone, I'm talking about Larry career outside of Sly & the Family stone being the result of riding the purple train

laurarichardson said:

If you have to ask who Larry Graham was then it speaks volumes about what you do not know.

Prince's high school band's name came from Larry's bands name. Prince was a hugh fan and Larry's rep for innovative bass playing will stand his hooking up with Prince has no bearing on that.

Same goes for Maceo or Chaka. Excellent artist. Thease people were working in music before Prince knew himself and they did not need Prince for a job.

W&L have done nothing but the incidental music for T. V shows and are more known by the public for their time with Prince then anything else.

All funk fans know who Larry Graham, Maceo, and Chaka are and would know if Prince had never been born.

I do not know what Sheile E had to even do with anything. If she can forgive someone for raping her I am sure she forgave Prince for not booking her. I believe their falling out was over other things that had nothing to do with a booking.

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sister please stop lol I'm talking about 1996
I know Chaka Khan

Larry Graham and Maceo

All I said was don't act like Larry Graham Larry and Chaka didn't ride the purple gravy train post 1995 which they did becauce their careers were not even close to what it used to be.

Most people know/knew Chaka, not Larry or Maceo

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the Revolution Lisa or Wendy have absolutely nothing to do with this.
Now I know you are doing hard core 'catch up' with Prince history, so you migh not have know, that Prince went to save those 3 careers

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Larry is and has benefited the most

purplerabbithole said:

don't diminish Maceo Parker's, Chaka Khan's and even LG's career prior to Prince to build up the Revolution. Wendy and Lisa were completely unknown before Prince (as well the rest of the revolution ). That is no way diminishing their talent and their family histories of studio musicans etc. But Wendy was 19 when she was hired by Prince as you know..(and that is something) Maceo Parker played for James Friggin Brown and was considered a legend before he worked with Prince. The rest of his career has been his own doing. He has his own band that tours around the world and doesn't play Prince songs. Morris Hayes worked for Maceo for 2 years. Prince helped out Chaka at times but really her career had been solid years before and after him. I just read her wikipedia page to remind myself of the specifics of her career and Prince's involvement in it, and Prince is barely mentioned. Larry Graham is less famous than Chaka and I do feel you might be right about him but he and his band have their own songs and don't just cover Prince. So I got to respect that and he was obviously a bass playing innovator so amongst musicians he's very respected. Wendy and Lisa are very respected as well in the industry (as they should be) but the rest of the Revolution aren;t as revered, and like I said, they started very young working for Prince.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

responding to goodie Laurarichardson
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Uh so Maceo Chaka and Larry Graham did not hitch their star to Prince's success?

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Who was Larry when Prince dug him up and put him on some of his shows?

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When Prince booked the Larry Graham review over Sheila E and the EBand(who were working hard) who got the booking?

What are you talking about

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I said why has this turned into another bitchout thread with topics that have nothing to do with BrownMark & Jill Jones.

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And so but BrownMark didn't cuss folk out and attack others especially JJ, so no the comparison is not working there.

purplerabbithole said:

Oh come on, like Brown didn't know it would start some shit (or continue it). He is no better than Jill in that respect.

OldFriends4Sale said:

But why has this turned into another bitchout out thread? when it was just about a tweet from BrownMark 2 Jill Jones?

typical...

I do not know anyone over the age of 45 who are black who do not know them. Amazing their lack of notierary does not stop them from actually working. Once again genius who over the age of 40 is selling millions of records? They had carreers before Prince and they are still working now that is he gone and their shows are not filled with his songs because they have music of their own to play.

I wait for more of your nonsense. Also get a black card or find someone with one. Your lack of knowledge about culture is ridculous.

OldFriends4Sale said:

sister please stop lol I'm talking about 1996
I know Chaka Khan

Larry Graham and Maceo

All I said was don't act like Larry Graham Larry and Chaka didn't ride the purple gravy train post 1995 which they did becauce their careers were not even close to what it used to be.

Most people know/knew Chaka, not Larry or Maceo

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the Revolution Lisa or Wendy have absolutely nothing to do with this.
Now I know you are doing hard core 'catch up' with Prince history, so you migh not have know, that Prince went to save those 3 careers

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Larry is and has benefited the most

purplerabbithole said:

don't diminish Maceo Parker's, Chaka Khan's and even LG's career prior to Prince to build up the Revolution. Wendy and Lisa were completely unknown before Prince (as well the rest of the revolution ). That is no way diminishing their talent and their family histories of studio musicans etc. But Wendy was 19 when she was hired by Prince as you know..(and that is something) Maceo Parker played for James Friggin Brown and was considered a legend before he worked with Prince. The rest of his career has been his own doing. He has his own band that tours around the world and doesn't play Prince songs. Morris Hayes worked for Maceo for 2 years. Prince helped out Chaka at times but really her career had been solid years before and after him. I just read her wikipedia page to remind myself of the specifics of her career and Prince's involvement in it, and Prince is barely mentioned. Larry Graham is less famous than Chaka and I do feel you might be right about him but he and his band have their own songs and don't just cover Prince. So I got to respect that and he was obviously a bass playing innovator so amongst musicians he's very respected. Wendy and Lisa are very respected as well in the industry (as they should be) but the rest of the Revolution aren;t as revered, and like I said, they started very young working for Prince.

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i don't see his association with larry and chaka as anymore than folks he admired

for the longest. P used to crush on chaka, and seemed to have a thing for her due to "sweet thang".

i think he was honored to work with his musical heros. stevie included. these 3 have a huge

bulk of work that they can and do perform on their own no need to rely on any Prince Material to book

a show for these 3. i don't think he was trying to help there careers directly, i think he enjoyed jamming with them and it evolved into a work relationship. But if we want to err on the calculating

side of things, P could be that and perhaps he was trying to shine up his own career by riding their

historic coattails. they were already who they were they didn't seem to be in want of more career attention, they if anything just seemed to want to enjoy music with Prince and i think it came across

when you saw them on stage together. IMO

NO it is. Passive aggressive game playing. Jill is crass and OTT, but Brown is passive aggressive when he goes to twitter/facebook to make statements like he did to get a public reaction out of her--he is poking the bear. Every little thing these folks state is read and analysized. He is not an idiot.

OldFriends4Sale said:

What are you talking about

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I said why has this turned into another bitchout thread with topics that have nothing to do with BrownMark & Jill Jones.

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And so but BrownMark didn't cuss folk out and attack others especially JJ, so no the comparison is not working there.

purplerabbithole said:

Oh come on, like Brown didn't know it would start some shit (or continue it). He is no better than Jill in that respect.

you are right. it was reciprocal. He brought prestige to his stage shows and his label. These are good musical relationships for the most part. Eventually, though, people are responsible for their own careers. Chaka and Maceo are cool in my eyes because they don't overally rely on Prince. . LG i have some issues with because he lived in one of P's properties but he is a working musician who plays his own stuff so I gotta respect him for that.

purplefam99 said:

i don't see his association with larry and chaka as anymore than folks he admired

for the longest. P used to crush on chaka, and seemed to have a thing for her due to "sweet thang".

i think he was honored to work with his musical heros. stevie included. these 3 have a huge

bulk of work that they can and do perform on their own no need to rely on any Prince Material to book

a show for these 3. i don't think he was trying to help there careers directly, i think he enjoyed jamming with them and it evolved into a work relationship. But if we want to err on the calculating

side of things, P could be that and perhaps he was trying to shine up his own career by riding their

historic coattails. they were already who they were they didn't seem to be in want of more career attention, they if anything just seemed to want to enjoy music with Prince and i think it came across

when you saw them on stage together. IMO

purplerabbithole said:

That is not what she means and you know it. She was referring to Mark Brown feeling neglected as a band member back in the day because Prince was closer to females. Mark Brown gets on my nerves as well sometimes. Instead of saying he deserves credit for helping to arrange and funkify "Kiss", he basically implies he wrote it entirely ("When I wrote the music for Kiss" type statements make it sound like Prince just wrote the lyrics--like Prince is Bernie Taupin..) He also made that not-to-bright statement that death is the payment we make for our sins so that's why he forgave Prince for his bad side. I know you and others said I misinterpreted that biblical reference, but I still think it was an ill-adviced and insenstive thing to say because it could be construed as Prince was being punished for his sins by dying . Plus, people shouldn't have to die to be forgiven. I have listened to Mark Brown Podcasts, he's okay and I do believe he is underrated bass player (and understand if he felt under-utilized when Prince changed up the Revolution with additional flashiness on stage during the Parade years) but I do think he is a bit of a baby. (and a part of me think he is kind of glad Prince is gone so he can shine a little--I hate to say that, but I can't help feeling that vibe--he is now upfront and not having to compete with more charismatic members of Prince's extended Revolution band.)

OldFriends4Sale said:

LOL he has a right to cry for the lost of Prince, just like you have the right to bitch about it

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i have to say it too.^^^ i think BM may feel it too and he may feel bad about feeling it, but having the feeling non the less.

OldFriends4Sale said:

sister please stop lol I'm talking about 1996
I know Chaka Khan

Larry Graham and Maceo

All I said was don't act like Larry Graham Larry and Chaka didn't ride the purple gravy train post 1995 which they did becauce their careers were not even close to what it used to be.

Most people know/knew Chaka, not Larry or Maceo

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the Revolution Lisa or Wendy have absolutely nothing to do with this.
Now I know you are doing hard core 'catch up' with Prince history, so you migh not have know, that Prince went to save those 3 careers

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Larry is and has benefited the most

purplerabbithole said:

don't diminish Maceo Parker's, Chaka Khan's and even LG's career prior to Prince to build up the Revolution. Wendy and Lisa were completely unknown before Prince (as well the rest of the revolution ). That is no way diminishing their talent and their family histories of studio musicans etc. But Wendy was 19 when she was hired by Prince as you know..(and that is something) Maceo Parker played for James Friggin Brown and was considered a legend before he worked with Prince. The rest of his career has been his own doing. He has his own band that tours around the world and doesn't play Prince songs. Morris Hayes worked for Maceo for 2 years. Prince helped out Chaka at times but really her career had been solid years before and after him. I just read her wikipedia page to remind myself of the specifics of her career and Prince's involvement in it, and Prince is barely mentioned. Larry Graham is less famous than Chaka and I do feel you might be right about him but he and his band have their own songs and don't just cover Prince. So I got to respect that and he was obviously a bass playing innovator so amongst musicians he's very respected. Wendy and Lisa are very respected as well in the industry (as they should be) but the rest of the Revolution aren;t as revered, and like I said, they started very young working for Prince.

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Larry has been the most honorable since P's passing of the lot. In his actions. And i believe

Mayte when she said in her book, when she basically said say whatever you will about LG he

has lost a Friend. And she didn't care for him so for her to sympathize with his loss of friendship

it must have been deep friendship he and P shared.

how has larry benefited the most? i seriously don't know.

uh everyone is posting on twitter and stuff that does not make one bad

Cussing folk out and attacking people does

She put it all out there so why was it 'bad' to say on twitter 'I have one thing to say JJ I love you...' you really see that as the same as JJ cussing them out and posting pictures of her/or some other woman showing her panties and giving 2 middle fingers?

get out...

purplerabbithole said:

NO it is. Passive aggressive game playing. Jill is crass and OTT, but Brown is passive aggressive when he goes to twitter/facebook to make statements like he did to get a public reaction out of her--he is poking the bear. Every little thing these folks state is read and analysized. He is not an idiot.

OldFriends4Sale said:

What are you talking about

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I said why has this turned into another bitchout thread with topics that have nothing to do with BrownMark & Jill Jones.

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And so but BrownMark didn't cuss folk out and attack others especially JJ, so no the comparison is not working there.

lot of black folk over 45 do not know Maceo (they know James Brown) or Larry (they know Sly)

same way a lot of them think Prince is gay

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and U fought us about and didn't know Sheila E released 3 singles for her 3rd album...your lack of knowledge about Purple culture is ridiculous.

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that debate about spilling the seed was still waiting for you. You didn't want to be showed up on your religious ideas... 'my people are destroyed by lack of knowledge'

laurarichardson said:

I do not know anyone over the age of 45 who are black who do not know them. Amazing their lack of notierary does not stop them from actually working. Once again genius who over the age of 40 is selling millions of records? They had carreers before Prince and they are still working now that is he gone and their shows are not filled with his songs because they have music of their own to play.

I wait for more of your nonsense. Also get a black card or find someone with one. Your lack of knowledge about culture is ridculous.

OldFriends4Sale said:

sister please stop lol I'm talking about 1996
I know Chaka Khan

Larry Graham and Maceo

All I said was don't act like Larry Graham Larry and Chaka didn't ride the purple gravy train post 1995 which they did becauce their careers were not even close to what it used to be.

Most people know/knew Chaka, not Larry or Maceo

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the Revolution Lisa or Wendy have absolutely nothing to do with this.
Now I know you are doing hard core 'catch up' with Prince history, so you migh not have know, that Prince went to save those 3 careers

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Larry is and has benefited the most

Your horns are showing--as if it takes 30 years to read/watch this part of Prince history.

Prince's career wasn't exactly on the top in late 90's. Larry and Chaka was signed (for a lack of a better word since he didn't do contracts) to his label and it might have given them a slight boost. But in a way, P was in the same boat as they were. Over 35 year old musical talents with no radio play. Larry, I stated, that I agree about being on the gravy train. Chaka has done a ton without Prince. Maceo is a bad-ass and just works and does his own thing. It was so nice seeing him and his brother on the James Brown documentary on Netflix. He paid his dues...James Brown was so scary that Maceo Parker's brother was literally strapped and had to pull a gun on him to defend his brother. P was pussy cat compared to Brown. The similarities were very superficial (even Morris Hayes stated that fact.)

As for my mention of the Revolution, I mentioned them because it is possible they would not have careers without their initital early connection with Prince. It is a tough industry and talent has little to do with fame or being working musicians. Dez Dickerson is very talented and stopped working in the industry and that is with the Prince connections. Mark has been struggling it seems. Dr Fink played for a cover band. Bobby Z had stayed somewhat connected with Prince but I don't recall what he has done professionally. W and L have been the most successful (despite Prince's supposed lack of gratitude.) The Revolution is his most famous band, and Wendy and Lisa are two of the few female composers in the film/tv industry but could they have done it without the attention they garnered in the early early stages of their career with Prince...I don't know (they have the family connections so maybe) . It seems that they have less to gain from Prince tributes than the men in the Revolution to be honest.. I realize that NPG is jumping on the Prince's death gravy train and I have some concerns (Kirk's involvement mainly) but I listened to Morris, Tony and the other dude's podcast and they were hilarious, had great stories, respecful, honest, and forgving of Prince' tougher sides without bringing up issues with others.. No passive aggressive undertones...like I feel that Mark has..

OldFriends4Sale said:

sister please stop lol I'm talking about 1996
I know Chaka Khan

Larry Graham and Maceo

All I said was don't act like Larry Graham Larry and Chaka didn't ride the purple gravy train post 1995 which they did becauce their careers were not even close to what it used to be.

Most people know/knew Chaka, not Larry or Maceo

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the Revolution Lisa or Wendy have absolutely nothing to do with this.
Now I know you are doing hard core 'catch up' with Prince history, so you migh not have know, that Prince went to save those 3 careers

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Larry is and has benefited the most

purplerabbithole said:

don't diminish Maceo Parker's, Chaka Khan's and even LG's career prior to Prince to build up the Revolution. Wendy and Lisa were completely unknown before Prince (as well the rest of the revolution ). That is no way diminishing their talent and their family histories of studio musicans etc. But Wendy was 19 when she was hired by Prince as you know..(and that is something) Maceo Parker played for James Friggin Brown and was considered a legend before he worked with Prince. The rest of his career has been his own doing. He has his own band that tours around the world and doesn't play Prince songs. Morris Hayes worked for Maceo for 2 years. Prince helped out Chaka at times but really her career had been solid years before and after him. I just read her wikipedia page to remind myself of the specifics of her career and Prince's involvement in it, and Prince is barely mentioned. Larry Graham is less famous than Chaka and I do feel you might be right about him but he and his band have their own songs and don't just cover Prince. So I got to respect that and he was obviously a bass playing innovator so amongst musicians he's very respected. Wendy and Lisa are very respected as well in the industry (as they should be) but the rest of the Revolution aren;t as revered, and like I said, they started very young working for Prince.

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