morningsong said:

laurarichardson said:

What is this obsession you and a few others have with the idea that because people are married they have a stable life. People can be married and still have all kinds of drama. Have you listened to some of the interviews that Andre has done. He has said he brother Eddie was a pimp and his other brother Fred spent time in jail. He said he might have found himself in jail if he did not have music because he was always stealing stuff, hot wiring cars and getting into trouble. He also said Prince got a real education in the Anderson house hold. Do you get his drift? Did you read the T.C.Ellis interview about pimps and hustlers who retire to Minneapolis and how they all grew up around that vibe. Having a pimp attitude toward women does not mean Prince was beating anyone it has more to do with the idea that it is okay to juggle multiple women and he did do this crap his whole life. No way you cannot realize that environment plays a hugh role in how young men treat women. I also had a co-worker about five years ago who has family on the Northside and she told me about the pimp culture in that city. -- said:

Ain't that the truth I just was reading up on Loretta Lynn, married 48 years. There was on-going domestic violence, alcoholism, adultry but they stayed together.

that loretta lynn story is no joke, she is tough as nails!!!!

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplerabbithole said:

the Love Boat soon we'll be making another run...

promises are something for everyone......

Sure, his upbringing and environment are factors ; but that doesn't mean I can't also be right. People don't just follow leader because they happen to see it around them. People have their reasons for the things they do especially so many years after they have left that environment and after they are no longer young. Prince was not living in North Minneapolis anymore. He was an adult who (like Andre) had music as a refuge. Why did one break the habit and not the other? Why did Prince still have to fall back into these old habits years and years after it proved unsuccessful? Why were his male relationships equally short-term and conditional. He was less of a player than others around him when he was a kid. LIke TC said, Prince could talk the talk but he was also the kid hanging out with Andre's mom while she did dishes asking questions while everyone else was having a good time. He was still the kid who sat alone during lunch at his school. He was still the guy who struggled with social anxiety ...(susan Rogers' words). Remember--Andre said that P was getting an education at their house...right. Well, doesn't that imply that his household (despite his fathers' ways) wasn't where this pimp mentality began. People want to fit into environments but their reasons are their own. Prince also witnessed a marriage between his mom and stepdad that lasted (turmoil or not.) LIke I said, even North Minneapolis players are people too and their influences are wide and varied. The player mentality in that region might be partly the result of a lack of family stability and indicative of many of the same abandonment issues Prince might have faced. Obviously, players also stroke their ego by juggling women but what did a 30 or 40 or 50 year old rock star have to prove anymore? Rappers come from a similar environment than P in some ways,,,I am assuming. Many of them eventually settle down to at least marriages that last longer than a couple years...(imperfect marriages or not.)

Don't get me wrong. I am not excusing. I don't think any girls should tolerate his cheating, but they sure as hell should not be surprised. Having some pity for a 57 year old man who was alone at the end of life and unable to break bad habits is not really a bad thing.

What is this obsession you and a few others have with the idea that because people are married they have a stable life. People can be married and still have all kinds of drama. Have you listened to some of the interviews that Andre has done. He has said he brother Eddie was a pimp and his other brother Fred spent time in jail. He said he might have found himself in jail if he did not have music because he was always stealing stuff, hot wiring cars and getting into trouble. He also said Prince got a real education in the Anderson house hold. Do you get his drift? Did you read the T.C.Ellis interview about pimps and hustlers who retire to Minneapolis and how they all grew up around that vibe. Having a pimp attitude toward women does not mean Prince was beating anyone it has more to do with the idea that it is okay to juggle multiple women and he did do this crap his whole life. No way you cannot realize that environment plays a hugh role in how young men treat women. I also had a co-worker about five years ago who has family on the Northside and she told me about the pimp culture in that city. -- said:

Pimps and players, really? That's postering. Real pimps are abusive as hell. Andre was in that same household. Isn't he married and living a stable life??? Plus, P struggled with long term male relationships as well--so how can that be attributed to just pimps will be pimps. . Pimp and player would be a nice cover for someone with abandonment issues. Players are people too...LOL. They have issues too...LOL. P's daddy might have had a lot of his own issues.

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i think he admired his father's mac Daddy ways. he brags to some interviewer, that his dad

is cool and has lots of girlfriends. i think Prince loved everything about his father. I don't think

it probably bothered him being alone as much as we think. he probably wanted love but not as much

as he wanted to roam and do as he pleased. I think Sheila choices show she did as she pleased as well and to not marry after loving 2 great guitar players is a fine choice.

[Edited 10/12/17 16:00pm]

purplerabbithole said:

Sure, his upbringing and environment are factors ; but that doesn't mean I can't also be right. People don't just follow leader because they happen to see it around them. People have their reasons for the things they do especially so many years after the fact. Prince was not living in North Minneapolis anymore. He was an adult who (like Andre) had music as a refuge. Why did one break the habit and not the other? Why did Prince still have to fall back into these old habits years and years after it proved unsuccessful? Why did his male relationships short-term and conditional. He was less of a player than others around him when he was a kid. LIke TC said, Prince could talk the talk but he was also the kid hanging out with Andre's mom while she did dishes asking questions while everyone else was having a good time. He was still the kid who sat alone during lunch at his school. He was still the guy who struggled with social anxiety around males...(susan Rogers' words).

Don't get me wrong. I am not excusing. I don't think any girls should tolerate his cheating, but they sure as hell should be surprised. Having some pity for a 57 year old man who was alone at the end of life is not really a bad thing.

What is this obsession you and a few others have with the idea that because people are married they have a stable life. People can be married and still have all kinds of drama. Have you listened to some of the interviews that Andre has done. He has said he brother Eddie was a pimp and his other brother Fred spent time in jail. He said he might have found himself in jail if he did not have music because he was always stealing stuff, hot wiring cars and getting into trouble. He also said Prince got a real education in the Anderson house hold. Do you get his drift? Did you read the T.C.Ellis interview about pimps and hustlers who retire to Minneapolis and how they all grew up around that vibe. Having a pimp attitude toward women does not mean Prince was beating anyone it has more to do with the idea that it is okay to juggle multiple women and he did do this crap his whole life. No way you cannot realize that environment plays a hugh role in how young men treat women. I also had a co-worker about five years ago who has family on the Northside and she told me about the pimp culture in that city. -- said:

i agree purplerabbit, the picture painted of him as the non player in high school to the way he played

women in adulthood is an interesting 180, but maybe it was fame, now he has sooooooooooooo

many women coming at him, maybe he became addicted to that attention. maybe he has less

abandonment issues than we think. Because he played them with such ease, i can't believe a shy,

insecure guy who didn't do that before would be able to pull that off. but of course stranger has happened.

He was a talented performer. That shit emboldens you...he did do a 180 from his youth. But remember, he also seemed to want to buy women's affection and he never let them see him without makeup and looking fly. The dude didn't just use his own native looks and personality. He worked on his confidence. Remember Andre described how P wrote come-on lines in a notebook. He studied and learned and mastered. He mastered a rock star image and relied on it almost consistently. I remember reading how P studied the NPG guys while they were bowling (he didn't know how to bowl). When he finally got up to bowl, he bowled three strikes. The guy could ape behavior and moves quite easily. Dez dickerson said the same thing...that P's biggest talent as a musican was his ability to use osmosis. I think P was a lot more complicated than just some player from N. Minneapolis.

purplefam99 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Sure, his upbringing and environment are factors ; but that doesn't mean I can't also be right. People don't just follow leader because they happen to see it around them. People have their reasons for the things they do especially so many years after the fact. Prince was not living in North Minneapolis anymore. He was an adult who (like Andre) had music as a refuge. Why did one break the habit and not the other? Why did Prince still have to fall back into these old habits years and years after it proved unsuccessful? Why did his male relationships short-term and conditional. He was less of a player than others around him when he was a kid. LIke TC said, Prince could talk the talk but he was also the kid hanging out with Andre's mom while she did dishes asking questions while everyone else was having a good time. He was still the kid who sat alone during lunch at his school. He was still the guy who struggled with social anxiety around males...(susan Rogers' words).

Don't get me wrong. I am not excusing. I don't think any girls should tolerate his cheating, but they sure as hell should be surprised. Having some pity for a 57 year old man who was alone at the end of life is not really a bad thing.

i agree purplerabbit, the picture painted of him as the non player in high school to the way he played

women in adulthood is an interesting 180, but maybe it was fame, now he has sooooooooooooo

many women coming at him, maybe he became addicted to that attention. maybe he has less

abandonment issues than we think. Because he played them with such ease, i can't believe a shy,

insecure guy who didn't do that before would be able to pull that off. but of course stranger has happened.

[Edited 10/12/17 16:18pm]

Well obviously he wanted his father's affection. Its funny but what did P have to model a good marriage off of. His father and mother split up. His stepfather and mother stayed together but it sounds like he didn't like his stepfathers oppressive ways. Andre's mom was a single mom.

I think Prince liked his freedom to keep doing music. And of course, there is temptation everywhere in hollywood. But was he really free as he thought he was?. All he did was work and hang out with musicians and date female musicians. He followed an oppressive religion. He didn't allow himself to do things like go to Disney World or just hang out. He didn't just bang around with groupies (not that often any way.) Groupies will do whatever you want with no questions asked...the easiest people to be a player with. I mean he fit fun into his working life when he could--but work always came first.. like Chris Rock said, why would Prince be working in St. Bart's when he could be hanging out with Paul McCartney and kicking back. Yes, I know he loved doing music. But music is not everything.

purplefam99 said:

i think he admired his father's mac Daddy ways. he brags to some interviewer, that his dad

is cool and has lots of girlfriends. i think Prince loved everything about his father. I don't think

it probably bothered him being alone as much as we think. he probably wanted love but not as much

as he wanted to roam and do as he pleased. I think Sheila choices show she did as she pleased as well and to not marry after loving 2 great guitar players is a fine choice.

[Edited 10/12/17 16:00pm]

[Edited 10/12/17 16:29pm]

purplerabbithole said:

He was a talented performer. That shit emboldens you...he did do a 180 from his youth. But remember, he also seemed to want to buy women's affection and he never let them see him without makeup and looking fly. The dude didn't just use his own native looks and personality. He worked on his confidence. Remember Andre described how P wrote come-on lines in a notebook. He studied and learned and mastered. He mastered a rock star image and relied on it almost consistently. I remember reading how P studied the NPG guys while they were bowling (he didn't know how to bowl). When he finally got up to bowl, he bowled three strikes. The guy could ape behavior and moves quite easily. Dez dickerson said the same thing...that P's biggest talent as a musican was his ability to use osmosis. I think P was a lot more complicated than just some player from N. Minneapolis.

purplefam99 said:

i agree purplerabbit, the picture painted of him as the non player in high school to the way he played

women in adulthood is an interesting 180, but maybe it was fame, now he has sooooooooooooo

many women coming at him, maybe he became addicted to that attention. maybe he has less

abandonment issues than we think. Because he played them with such ease, i can't believe a shy,

insecure guy who didn't do that before would be able to pull that off. but of course stranger has happened.

[Edited 10/12/17 16:18pm]

hmmm what you say makes sense as well. yes he could absorb people. But at times i am not sure he was

anymore complicated than anyone else, we just got to see it played out.

Of course, Prince was probably just horny sometimes and wanted to have some fun. I am not discounting that. Best quote I ever heard about Frank Sinatra...Someone asked "Was Frank a complicated man who wanted to appear simple: or a simple man who wanted to appear complicated?" The answer was a little bit of both.

But I don't believe any artist is simple. They would be shitty artists if they were...

purplefam99 said:

purplerabbithole said:

He was a talented performer. That shit emboldens you...he did do a 180 from his youth. But remember, he also seemed to want to buy women's affection and he never let them see him without makeup and looking fly. The dude didn't just use his own native looks and personality. He worked on his confidence. Remember Andre described how P wrote come-on lines in a notebook. He studied and learned and mastered. He mastered a rock star image and relied on it almost consistently. I remember reading how P studied the NPG guys while they were bowling (he didn't know how to bowl). When he finally got up to bowl, he bowled three strikes. The guy could ape behavior and moves quite easily. Dez dickerson said the same thing...that P's biggest talent as a musican was his ability to use osmosis. I think P was a lot more complicated than just some player from N. Minneapolis.

[Edited 10/12/17 16:18pm]

hmmm what you say makes sense as well. yes he could absorb people. But at times i am not sure he was

anymore complicated than anyone else, we just got to see it played out.

[Edited 10/12/17 16:38pm]

[Edited 10/12/17 16:40pm]

purplerabbithole said:

Well obviously he wanted his father's affection. Its funny but what did P have to model a good marriage off of. His father and mother split up. His stepfather and mother stayed together but it sounds like he didn't like his stepfathers oppressive ways. Andre's mom was a single mom.

I think Prince liked his freedom to keep doing music. And of course, there is temptation everywhere in hollywood. But was he really free as he thought he was?. All he did was work and hang out with musicians and date female musicians. He followed an oppressive religion. He didn't allow himself to do things like go to Disney World or just hang out. He didn't just bang around with groupies (not that often any way.) Groupies will do whatever you want with no questions asked...the easiest people to be a player with. I mean he fit fun into his working life when he could--but work always came first.. like Chris Rock said, why would Prince be working in St. Bart's when he could be hanging out with Paul McCartney and kicking back. Yes, I know he loved doing music. But music is not everything.

purplefam99 said:

i think he admired his father's mac Daddy ways. he brags to some interviewer, that his dad

is cool and has lots of girlfriends. i think Prince loved everything about his father. I don't think

it probably bothered him being alone as much as we think. he probably wanted love but not as much

as he wanted to roam and do as he pleased. I think Sheila choices show she did as she pleased as well and to not marry after loving 2 great guitar players is a fine choice.

[Edited 10/12/17 16:00pm]

[Edited 10/12/17 16:29pm]

i agree, but those words never came from someone he would listen too^^^^. I think if in his formative life he had been offered other things that gave him other pleasant life experiences from

which to draw reference of joy, then maybe he would be able to fathom enjoying other aspects of his

life. i think he watched entirely too much tv. i think that tv was probably his friend in a way, kept

him company.

Good point.

purplefam99 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Well obviously he wanted his father's affection. Its funny but what did P have to model a good marriage off of. His father and mother split up. His stepfather and mother stayed together but it sounds like he didn't like his stepfathers oppressive ways. Andre's mom was a single mom.

I think Prince liked his freedom to keep doing music. And of course, there is temptation everywhere in hollywood. But was he really free as he thought he was?. All he did was work and hang out with musicians and date female musicians. He followed an oppressive religion. He didn't allow himself to do things like go to Disney World or just hang out. He didn't just bang around with groupies (not that often any way.) Groupies will do whatever you want with no questions asked...the easiest people to be a player with. I mean he fit fun into his working life when he could--but work always came first.. like Chris Rock said, why would Prince be working in St. Bart's when he could be hanging out with Paul McCartney and kicking back. Yes, I know he loved doing music. But music is not everything.

[Edited 10/12/17 16:29pm]

i agree, but those words never came from someone he would listen too^^^^. I think if in his formative life he had been offered other things that gave him other pleasant life experiences from

which to draw reference of joy, then maybe he would be able to fathom enjoying other aspects of his

life. i think he watched entirely too much tv. i think that tv was probably his friend in a way, kept

him company.

We will have to agree to disagree.

said:

purplefam99 said:

Really where are you getting the idea that he watched to much T.V. Who are you actually discussing?
[Edited 10/12/17 17:59pm]

laurarichardson said:

I said I think!!!! Just seems like he did. Or movies maybe a better way to put it
But at home on the tv. Seems like he was making music or watching movies.
Not hiking, gardening, cooking, type of stuff. I could be wrong. I'm addressing
The music isn't everything position. I think even with watching movies it was still an avenue to his music.
[Edited 10/12/17 18:47pm]

purplefam99 said:

We know he liked going to the movies, biking, and photography.

Well, I did agree that environment was part of the reason he was a player and pimp. You don't think there is anything beyond just that reason?

Do you think he had affection for these women or any respect at all? Or was all just a pimp/player stroking his own ego?

laurarichardson said:

We will have to agree to disagree. said:

Sure, his upbringing and environment are factors ; but that doesn't mean I can't also be right. People don't just follow leader because they happen to see it around them. People have their reasons for the things they do especially so many years after they have left that environment and after they are no longer young. Prince was not living in North Minneapolis anymore. He was an adult who (like Andre) had music as a refuge. Why did one break the habit and not the other? Why did Prince still have to fall back into these old habits years and years after it proved unsuccessful? Why were his male relationships equally short-term and conditional. He was less of a player than others around him when he was a kid. LIke TC said, Prince could talk the talk but he was also the kid hanging out with Andre's mom while she did dishes asking questions while everyone else was having a good time. He was still the kid who sat alone during lunch at his school. He was still the guy who struggled with social anxiety ...(susan Rogers' words). Remember--Andre said that P was getting an education at their house...right. Well, doesn't that imply that his household (despite his fathers' ways) wasn't where this pimp mentality began. People want to fit into environments but their reasons are their own. Prince also witnessed a marriage between his mom and stepdad that lasted (turmoil or not.) LIke I said, even North Minneapolis players are people too and their influences are wide and varied. The player mentality in that region might be partly the result of a lack of family stability and indicative of many of the same abandonment issues Prince might have faced. Obviously, players also stroke their ego by juggling women but what did a 30 or 40 or 50 year old rock star have to prove anymore? Rappers come from a similar environment than P in some ways,,,I am assuming. Many of them eventually settle down to at least marriages that last longer than a couple years...(imperfect marriages or not.)

Don't get me wrong. I am not excusing. I don't think any girls should tolerate his cheating, but they sure as hell should not be surprised. Having some pity for a 57 year old man who was alone at the end of life and unable to break bad habits is not really a bad thing.

[Edited 10/12/17 16:10pm]

laurarichardson said:

Biking in the parking lot of Paisley is hardly a hobby.
And I would like to see some of his non music related photography.
And I still think he watched too much tv/movies. But yes he did do those things but
Not to a real hobby standard except maybe the movie watching. But I see that as a
Passtime not hobby.

Remember he was thrown out of his home by his parents at 12 years of age. I don't think we can realize the depth of his humiliation and shame as he was forced to ask to be accepted into Andre's home to survive.
Maybe his entire life is a display of arrested development - sex as imagined by a 12 year old boy.

Flirt1 said:

I've thought that too, the endless talking on the phone with these girls
Reminds me a lot of 12 yo boys. Seem like he loved that beginning
Moment over and over and over, it is his favorite part.

It seemed.

purplefam99 said:

To me it puts the voyeurism and lascivious lyrics in perspective.

Flirt1 said:

And I can tilt my head and see that point.

purplefam99 said:

To me it puts the voyeurism and lascivious lyrics in perspective.

purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said:

Really where are you getting the idea that he watched to much T.V. Who are you actually discussing? [Edited 10/12/17 17:59pm]

I said I think!!!! Just seems like he did. Or movies maybe a better way to put it But at home on the tv. Seems like he was making music or watching movies. Not hiking, gardening, cooking, type of stuff. I could be wrong. I'm addressing The music isn't everything position. I think even with watching movies it was still an avenue to his music. [Edited 10/12/17 18:47pm]

I have read numerous accounts from friends who say that Prince was a news junkie. I'd bet that's how Tamron Hall caught his eye.

Flirt1 said:

Remember he was thrown out of his home by his parents at 12 years of age. I don't think we can realize the depth of his humiliation and shame as he was forced to ask to be accepted into Andre's home to survive. Maybe his entire life is a display of arrested development - sex as imagined by a 12 year old boy.

This. The answer to many things Prince.

OldFriends4Sale said:

From my understanding Susan Moonsie went and got her college education and had a family. I believe she is still married

As far as I know Susan's husband died in Nov 1994. From what I was told P proposed to her in the early 90s (dunno how likely that is, though).

Vashtix said:

purplefam99 said:

Ladies only just for a second. She has all those cards!!!!

I believe other women have all their stuff from him too , Sheila is not the only one.

CatB said:

Flirt1 said:

Remember he was thrown out of his home by his parents at 12 years of age. I don't think we can realize the depth of his humiliation and shame as he was forced to ask to be accepted into Andre's home to survive. Maybe his entire life is a display of arrested development - sex as imagined by a 12 year old boy.

This. The answer to many things Prince.

CatB,

Interesting thing to ponder - Prince acting out his life as imagined by a 12 year old.

That is a very different take on Prince.

Vashtix said:

CatB said:

This. The answer to many things Prince.

CatB,

Interesting thing to ponder - Prince acting out his life as imagined by a 12 year old.

That is a very different take on Prince.

The only problem is people like Andre talk about how Prince was the one keeping him out of trouble, cleaning his room, and finishing high school.

Charles Smith said at a early age Prince had a personality that the girls liked and Morris saying everything he said he was going to do as a child he did actually do.

None of this would have happened if he had the mindset of a 12 year-old boy. 12 year old boys are not focused. Remember Prince was asking girls out on days and taking them home at 12.

purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said:

We know he liked going to the movies, biking, and photography.

Biking in the parking lot of Paisley is hardly a hobby. And I would like to see some of his non music related photography. And I still think he watched too much tv/movies. But yes he did do those things but Not to a real hobby standard except maybe the movie watching. But I see that as a Passtime not hobby.

Many people said he bike along trials near Paisley Park, Asfarin said he gave Prince a camera and Prince did like taking pictures as a hobby. Sheila E said one of the only things she could get him to stop working for was to go to a movie or watching a basketball game.

I think you are forgetting he was an athelete as a child.

No one who worked at his pace would have a lot of free time for hobbies but it appears he had some.

You are making a lot of assumptions while ignoring some factual information.

Maybe you just do not know any workaholics but they exsist and many are happy working.

Vashtix said:

CatB said:

This. The answer to many things Prince.

CatB,

Interesting thing to ponder - Prince acting out his life as imagined by a 12 year old.

That is a very different take on Prince.

Yeah but I was more referring to the shame thing - I bolded it *wink*