purplefam99 said:

His relationship with Sheila was the most like a real marriage, because of the Element of forgiveness and reconciliation. I'm glad that he had that full circle with her. In my view that is how I know the love wasn't unrequited. And why she will not give those cards away. She went full circle with him, Perhaps more than once. [Edited 10/11/17 15:20pm]

I'm willing to be that he probably kept any letters and/or cards that she sent to him, too.

FlyOnTheWall said:

I bet he did Fly. I bet he did.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Already done.

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These seem 2 be two seperate occasions
The dinner party with Eric Leeds Miles Davis Prince Sheila E was March 1987

the SOTT band was already formed and rehearsing

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the dinner party in Beverly Hills with Cat was early prior to her joining the band. So it had to be December 1986 January 1987 And It was Cat Steve Fargnoli, Devin DeVaquez and John Nelson.
Miles Davis nor Sheila E were at this event. That night they went to a club Voila and that is where Prince had Cat dance with her to Robert Palmers Simply Irresistable.
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And Prince would NOT have had Sheila E and Devin DeVaquez in the same dinner party

--Let me slow it down for you. 1) You are the one implied she was not around at the dinner party with Miles Davis I told you that Eric confirmed this per his interview with Mike Dean and Sheila discuss thus in her book. This was doing the rehearsal for SOTT as we have all seen the footage of the rehearsal/ New Year Eve. Proves Sheila E was around in his house and since her birthday is in December and Cat said she met Sheila at her birthday party that might give a timeline for when they got together. When she came into the SOTT band and perhaps while they were on the road and maybe coming to end doing the Lovesexy period. She was gone by the end of the LS tour and she discussed coming back to see him at the Batman wrap party. I would not be surprised if they got back together for a while after that. Robyn Power even saw her around after Batman. I have no idea what Devin and Cat going to the nightclub with Steve has to do with anything. Sheila could have been back in Oakland with her family. [Edited 10/11/17 16:58pm]

let me catch you up

I was just listing examples of when/where Sheila E was not with Prince all the time. Not that serious.

I said:He wasn't with her the night he met Cat at his house with Eric & Miles Davis, not to mention Devin

just going off of memory. But they were two different situations. Even you thought they were the same

Even you said in post #29: I also remember Cat saying she went to a Birthday party that Prince had for Sheila E.

so you got it mixed up too , but we put it together because WE like purple-history

Laurarichardson. I saw us talking about the timeline and history and getting a conclusion. I like that stuff,

The Birthday party was December 1987 not December 1986. The dinner Cat is talking about is not Sheila E's birthday party. Sheila E was not there at this dinner with Devin.
When CAT met Prince at his house in Beverly Hills was late 86 early 87. She was not in the band yet. She had not worked on Sheila E's Koo Koo yet. Sheila E was not at this dinner party with Prince. Devin was. Who was Prince's sidechick. Prince was not going to be allowed there. Devin even said that Prince would keep her away from certain ladies in his band when she tried to meet them.

The dinner party with Sheila E included Miles Davis and Eric (but not Cat and Devin) that was late March 1987(when Cat is in the band). They all go out to a night club. Not in December of 87. The New Years show with Miles Davis is 9months off.

All of this is during the SOTT period overall and just an example that Sheila E is romantically saying she was with Prince day and night, but not factually.

purplefam99 said:

Ladies only just for a second. She has all those cards!!!!

I believe other women have all their stuff from him too , Sheila is not the only one.

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I also do not see her as the closest to marriage to him - they were great musical partners . They fell out in 2012.

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He did the great make over with her - nothing like Sheila E once Prince redid her image.

Vashtix said:

When I say marriage, i see all the components that it takes to make one in their relationship. Not a perfect marriage, just a union between two people. That had
Chemistry, work/intellectual challenge, friendship, discord and reconciliation. That they were able to work together again and seemingly well on stage after their
History speaks to me of what is the bread and butter of a marriage. the possibility/reality of more chemistry with another partner is always a factor and
Perhaps he and or she did. But I just think that they ran at a temp that was realistic
And substainable. Yes they did fall out again, but they had a good run at their reconciliation.

Yes I'm sure there are other ladies that have their keepsakes too.

LR cracks me up thinking those leg warmers are nasty. But they are one item I know if I had I couldn't part with. They are beautiful all worn and torn.

purplefam99 said:

--I am anti-horder to the core. You can preserve paper items but old clothes especially socks/leg warmers can get nasty over time. Those shits were ripped and Prince usually had them pulled up to his private area. I am sorry those were items for the trash can. I get creepy hoarder vibes from Suzi Q.

purplefam99 said:

--You are correct. He was involved with this women from 1978 and Sheila has her drums in Paisley Park not Suzi Q so she was in touch with in the later years. People carrying on about their falling out in 2012 has if they fell out in 79! Silly.

FlyOnTheWall said:

purplefam99 said:

Ladies only just for a second. She has all those cards!!!!

I would have kept them, too!!!!

That's nice. Shows she really cared.

purplefam99 said:

Vashtix said:

I believe other women have all their stuff from him too , Sheila is not the only one.

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I also do not see her as the closest to marriage to him - they were great musical partners . They fell out in 2012.

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He did the great make over with her - nothing like Sheila E once Prince redid her image.

When I say marriage, i see all the components that it takes to make one in their relationship. Not a perfect marriage, just a union between two people. That had Chemistry, work/intellectual challenge, friendship, discord and reconciliation. That they were able to work together again and seemingly well on stage after their History speaks to me of what is the bread and butter of a marriage. the possibility/reality of more chemistry with another partner is always a factor and Perhaps he and or she did. But I just think that they ran at a temp that was realistic And substainable. Yes they did fall out again, but they had a good run at their reconciliation. Yes I'm sure there are other ladies that have their keepsakes too. LR cracks me up thinking those leg warmers are nasty. But they are one item I know if I had I couldn't part with. They are beautiful all worn and torn.

I know people keep saying poor Prince missed out on love but he did not need to married , he tried twice.

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Much respect to Sheila and her music and her place in Prince's life but clearly he was not as into her as she was into him (romantically) or the relationship and outcome you described would have happened.

Maybe you see her as the "real wife" in a sense but I do not see it that way. I do not see Prince as a man missing out on any love . I think he had it and for whatever reason he did not go there with Sheila and I am leaving it at that.

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I asked 3xs and no response as to their 2012 falling out- does anyone know? I am so curious.

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

When I say marriage, i see all the components that it takes to make one in their relationship. Not a perfect marriage, just a union between two people. That had Chemistry, work/intellectual challenge, friendship, discord and reconciliation. That they were able to work together again and seemingly well on stage after their History speaks to me of what is the bread and butter of a marriage. the possibility/reality of more chemistry with another partner is always a factor and Perhaps he and or she did. But I just think that they ran at a temp that was realistic And substainable. Yes they did fall out again, but they had a good run at their reconciliation. Yes I'm sure there are other ladies that have their keepsakes too. LR cracks me up thinking those leg warmers are nasty. But they are one item I know if I had I couldn't part with. They are beautiful all worn and torn.

--I am anti-horder to the core. You can preserve paper items but old clothes especially socks/leg warmers can get nasty over time. Those shits were ripped and Prince usually had them pulled up to his private area. I am sorry those were items for the trash can. I get creepy hoarder vibes from Suzi Q.

oh please, so she is a hoarder for keeping them and classless for getting rid of them lol

Oh and if Vanity kept the clothes too, which everyone is saying she did, does that make her a hoarder?

get outta here

Vashtix said:

I asked 3xs and no response as to their 2012 falling out- does anyone know? I am so curious.

I believe their falling out had to do with the fact that The E Family were scheduled to open for Prince at one of his 'Welcome to America' concerts in the bay area (iirc), and he replaced them with Larry Graham.

Vashtix said:

purplefam99 said:

Vashtix said: When I say marriage, i see all the components that it takes to make one in their relationship. Not a perfect marriage, just a union between two people. That had Chemistry, work/intellectual challenge, friendship, discord and reconciliation. That they were able to work together again and seemingly well on stage after their History speaks to me of what is the bread and butter of a marriage. the possibility/reality of more chemistry with another partner is always a factor and Perhaps he and or she did. But I just think that they ran at a temp that was realistic And substainable. Yes they did fall out again, but they had a good run at their reconciliation. Yes I'm sure there are other ladies that have their keepsakes too. LR cracks me up thinking those leg warmers are nasty. But they are one item I know if I had I couldn't part with. They are beautiful all worn and torn.

I know people keep saying poor Prince missed out on love but he did not need to married , he tried twice.

.

Much respect to Sheila and her music and her place in Prince's life but clearly he was not as into her as she was into him (romantically) or the relationship and outcome you described would have happened.

Maybe you see her as the "real wife" in a sense but I do not see it that way. I do not see Prince as a man missing out on any love . I think he had it and for whatever reason he did not go there with Sheila and I am leaving it at that.

.

I asked 3xs and no response as to their 2012 falling out- does anyone know? I am so curious.

Post #53 has 3 links in connection to what happened, back then. Those were from that time.

2010 Prince get's Sheila E and her keyboardist Cassandra ONeal to join him on the Welcome 2 Europe tour. Something happens midway to the Italy portion and she leaves or is 'sent home' but he keeps her keyboardist.

.

some say it is because Sheila shared a video of her performing on her FB

some say Prince didn't like the adoration she was getting in comparison to him

some say Sheila E indicated that Prince lypsinced parts of the Super Bowel and some parts of the Welcome 2...

.

Sheila E goes back to doing some shows. I think she opened a club or partnered with a music club

and started doing some stuff. She got back with Eddie M(sax) and they started jamming

Bria Valente and Prince split

Prince does a few shows in Dhubi

Prince goes from Europe to Welcome 2 America 2011
Misty Copeland begins performing with Prince after seeing Black Swan(movie)

New York - California (Sheila E rejoins and does some shows)

her group/performances are put on hold

Prince's brother Duane passes away

Welcome 2 America goes to some southern states

Prior to the San Jose shows

Prince promises her the EFamily band will open for him next

they prepare and then Prince pulls it and gives it to Larry Graham.

Sheila and band were disappointed here, they have a huge fan base there and they had to leave

prior to going to Canada
Prince meets Andy Allo and she joins the band mid 2011

Sheila E reconnects with Eddie M and her shows change:starts doing Erotic City Olivers House Koo Koo the Belle of St Mark Pop Life etc

Prince heads back to Europe
Welcome 2 Europe

Welcome 2 Canada

Clare Fischer passes away early 2012

Welcome 2 Australia

Prince and Andy work on her album prior to Chicago

Prince calls Sheila E to rejoin and she declines

people asking her will she being joining Prince for the next shows

she replies on her twitter: 'Why?...because Prince; "it's all about truth and respect"

Welcome 2 Chicago

Prince performs Old Friends 4 Sale in response

OldFriends4Sale said:

Vashtix said:

Not trying to veer of the current convo but does anyone know why they had a falling out around 2012?

http://prince.org/msg/7/410388

http://prince.org/msg/7/387349

Something happen between P and Sheila E?

She stated on twitter that she will not be performing with Prince in Chicago. "why....because Prince". And the she responded to someone who said I know you wouldn't say anything bad about Prince "it's all about truth and RESPECT".

http://prince.org/msg/7/363648

are prince and sheila e. done musically with each other for good?

I hope they've patched things up. Rumors were swirling that sheila e. was done performing with prince. They go all the way back to 1983. It would be a shame because of the great chemistry they always had together. Sheila E. was one of his best drummers ever!

in the 3rd link post # 15 Pete Escovedo responds about the San Jose show booking

OF4S, your timeline may have a bit of speculation in it..LOL. But if it is entirely true, it sounds like Prince had some trust issues where Sheila was concerned (and visa versa). Its kind of like how some people didn't like Sheila being so much in the public eye right after P died. Sheila doesn't mind publicity and she is good at (appeases the media just enough without exposing too much) . I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. Someone has to talk to the press and carry on legacies. She is as ambitious as anyone else in the purple kingdom, just not media shy like some of them. Ironically, it sounds like she was better at dealing wtih the media than he ever was.

BTW, I don't buy the speculations that he was intimidated by her overshadoiwng him (People don't spend the money on a Prince concert just to see Sheila E for a couple songs.) I don't think he lipsynced either. Do we have proof she said that or is that just org speculation. After all, during the Super bowl performance, there are imperfection where the singing is concerned (in other words, P moving away from the microphone to move or play and the vocal getting fainter).

OldFriends4Sale said:

Vashtix said:

I know people keep saying poor Prince missed out on love but he did not need to married , he tried twice.

.

Much respect to Sheila and her music and her place in Prince's life but clearly he was not as into her as she was into him (romantically) or the relationship and outcome you described would have happened.

Maybe you see her as the "real wife" in a sense but I do not see it that way. I do not see Prince as a man missing out on any love . I think he had it and for whatever reason he did not go there with Sheila and I am leaving it at that.

.

I asked 3xs and no response as to their 2012 falling out- does anyone know? I am so curious.

Post #53 has 3 links in connection to what happened, back then. Those were from that time.

2010 Prince get's Sheila E and her keyboardist Cassandra ONeal to join him on the Welcome 2 Europe tour. Something happens midway to the Italy portion and she leaves or is 'sent home' but he keeps her keyboardist.

.

some say it is because Sheila shared a video of her performing on her FB

some say Prince didn't like the adoration she was getting in comparison to him

some say Sheila E indicated that Prince lypsinced parts of the Super Bowel and some parts of the Welcome 2...

.

Sheila E goes back to doing some shows. I think she opened a club or partnered with a music club

and started doing some stuff. She got back with Eddie M(sax) and they started jamming

Bria Valente and Prince split

Prince does a few shows in Dhubi

Prince goes from Europe to Welcome 2 America 2011
Misty Copeland begins performing with Prince after seeing Black Swan(movie)

New York - California (Sheila E rejoins and does some shows)

her group/performances are put on hold

Prince's brother Duane passes away

Welcome 2 America goes to some southern states

Prior to the San Jose shows

Prince promises her the EFamily band will open for him next

they prepare and then Prince pulls it and gives it to Larry Graham.

Sheila and band were disappointed here, they have a huge fan base there and they had to leave

prior to going to Canada
Prince meets Andy Allo and she joins the band mid 2011

Sheila E reconnects with Eddie M and her shows change:starts doing Erotic City Olivers House Koo Koo the Belle of St Mark Pop Life etc

Prince heads back to Europe
Welcome 2 Europe

Welcome 2 Canada

Clare Fischer passes away early 2012

Welcome 2 Australia

Prince and Andy work on her album prior to Chicago

Prince calls Sheila E to rejoin and she declines

people asking her will she being joining Prince for the next shows

she replies on her twitter: 'Why?...because Prince; "it's all about truth and respect"

Welcome 2 Chicago

Prince performs Old Friends 4 Sale in response

Why are blowing this incident up. If she still had problems with him why did she donate her drums? You have an agenda.

OldFriends4Sale said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

http://prince.org/msg/7/410388

http://prince.org/msg/7/387349

Something happen between P and Sheila E?

She stated on twitter that she will not be performing with Prince in Chicago. "why....because Prince". And the she responded to someone who said I know you wouldn't say anything bad about Prince "it's all about truth and RESPECT".

http://prince.org/msg/7/363648

are prince and sheila e. done musically with each other for good?

I hope they've patched things up. Rumors were swirling that sheila e. was done performing with prince. They go all the way back to 1983. It would be a shame because of the great chemistry they always had together. Sheila E. was one of his best drummers ever!

in the 3rd link post # 15 Pete Escovedo responds about the San Jose show booking

oh be quiet lol I'm answering Vashtix question. It's on the org

You go fight with theEquilizer

laurarichardson said:

Why are blowing this incident up. If she still had problems with him why did she donate her drums? You have an agenda.

OldFriends4Sale said:

in the 3rd link post # 15 Pete Escovedo responds about the San Jose show booking

Obviously, P and his female friends had complicated relationships and histories. maybe you or OF4S can find the link or proof that Sheila supposedly tweeted or stated that P contacted her in 2014 and they were talking again. I seem to remember reading that.

laurarichardson said:

Why are blowing this incident up. If she still had problems with him why did she donate her drums? You have an agenda.

OldFriends4Sale said:

in the 3rd link post # 15 Pete Escovedo responds about the San Jose show booking

What speculation?

That is just what was happening.

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I'm not selling him being insecure about it. I just put out some of the 'speculation's I remember that were regular about what people think happened. I don't think anyone had a specific reason for her leaving the Welcome 2 Europe tour.
But Sheila E did tweet/FB a lot of the stuff that was happening then.

We were in present time following it all.
I posted a few links from back then when it was happening.

.

And if you haven't been to a Prince concert you would be suprised that people did love the chemistry between Prince & Sheila E. He had a lot of people on stage with him on the Welcome 2 tours. Sheila E wasn't an obscure figure to Prince fans. She was performing on the full show, not just a few songs.

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I posted all this information and you are asking me the same questions over again lol

this is too much work.

The 2nd link I posted has the exact twitter conversation by Sheila E as well has her FB responses
She also in 2013 or 2014 put on her FB page that she was going to Minneapolis to see Prince, which is when we believe they reconnected

the 3rd link has Pete Escovedo's reply to the San Jose show issue

chile if you don't go read the links I went out of my way to provide lol

purplerabbithole said:

OF4S, your timeline may have a bit of speculation in it..LOL. But if it is entirely true, it sounds like Prince had some trust issues where Sheila was concerned (and visa versa). Its kind of like how some people didn't like Sheila being so much in the public eye right after P died. Sheila doesn't mind publicity and she is good at (appeases the media just enough without exposing too much) . I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. Someone has to talk to the press and carry on legacies. She is as ambitious as anyone else in the purple kingdom, just not media shy like some of them. Ironically, it sounds like she was better at dealing wtih the media than he ever was.

BTW, I don't buy the speculations that he was intimidated by her overshadoiwng him (People don't spend the money on a Prince concert just to see Sheila E for a couple songs.) I don't think he lipsynced either. Do we have proof she said that or is that just org speculation. After all, during the Super bowl performance, there are imperfection where the singing is concerned (in other words, P moving away from the microphone to move or play and the vocal getting fainter).

OldFriends4Sale said:

Post #53 has 3 links in connection to what happened, back then. Those were from that time.

2010 Prince get's Sheila E and her keyboardist Cassandra ONeal to join him on the Welcome 2 Europe tour. Something happens midway to the Italy portion and she leaves or is 'sent home' but he keeps her keyboardist.

.

some say it is because Sheila shared a video of her performing on her FB

some say Prince didn't like the adoration she was getting in comparison to him

some say Sheila E indicated that Prince lypsinced parts of the Super Bowel and some parts of the Welcome 2...

.

Sheila E goes back to doing some shows. I think she opened a club or partnered with a music club

and started doing some stuff. She got back with Eddie M(sax) and they started jamming

Bria Valente and Prince split

Prince does a few shows in Dhubi

Prince goes from Europe to Welcome 2 America 2011
Misty Copeland begins performing with Prince after seeing Black Swan(movie)

New York - California (Sheila E rejoins and does some shows)

her group/performances are put on hold

Prince's brother Duane passes away

Welcome 2 America goes to some southern states

Prior to the San Jose shows

Prince promises her the EFamily band will open for him next

they prepare and then Prince pulls it and gives it to Larry Graham.

Sheila and band were disappointed here, they have a huge fan base there and they had to leave

prior to going to Canada
Prince meets Andy Allo and she joins the band mid 2011

Sheila E reconnects with Eddie M and her shows change:starts doing Erotic City Olivers House Koo Koo the Belle of St Mark Pop Life etc

Prince heads back to Europe
Welcome 2 Europe

Welcome 2 Canada

Clare Fischer passes away early 2012

Welcome 2 Australia

Prince and Andy work on her album prior to Chicago

Prince calls Sheila E to rejoin and she declines

people asking her will she being joining Prince for the next shows

she replies on her twitter: 'Why?...because Prince; "it's all about truth and respect"

Welcome 2 Chicago

Prince performs Old Friends 4 Sale in response

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said: --Let me slow it down for you. 1) You are the one implied she was not around at the dinner party with Miles Davis I told you that Eric confirmed this per his interview with Mike Dean and Sheila discuss thus in her book. This was doing the rehearsal for SOTT as we have all seen the footage of the rehearsal/ New Year Eve. Proves Sheila E was around in his house and since her birthday is in December and Cat said she met Sheila at her birthday party that might give a timeline for when they got together. When she came into the SOTT band and perhaps while they were on the road and maybe coming to end doing the Lovesexy period. She was gone by the end of the LS tour and she discussed coming back to see him at the Batman wrap party. I would not be surprised if they got back together for a while after that. Robyn Power even saw her around after Batman. I have no idea what Devin and Cat going to the nightclub with Steve has to do with anything. Sheila could have been back in Oakland with her family. [Edited 10/11/17 16:58pm]

let me catch you up

I was just listing examples of when/where Sheila E was not with Prince all the time. Not that serious.

I said:He wasn't with her the night he met Cat at his house with Eric & Miles Davis, not to mention Devin

just going off of memory. But they were two different situations. Even you thought they were the same

Even you said in post #29: I also remember Cat saying she went to a Birthday party that Prince had for Sheila E.

so you got it mixed up too , but we put it together because WE like purple-history

Laurarichardson. I saw us talking about the timeline and history and getting a conclusion. I like that stuff,

The Birthday party was December 1987 not December 1986. The dinner Cat is talking about is not Sheila E's birthday party. Sheila E was not there at this dinner with Devin.
When CAT met Prince at his house in Beverly Hills was late 86 early 87. She was not in the band yet. She had not worked on Sheila E's Koo Koo yet. Sheila E was not at this dinner party with Prince. Devin was. Who was Prince's sidechick. Prince was not going to be allowed there. Devin even said that Prince would keep her away from certain ladies in his band when she tried to meet them.

The dinner party with Sheila E included Miles Davis and Eric (but not Cat and Devin) that was late March 1987(when Cat is in the band). They all go out to a night club. Not in December of 87. The New Years show with Miles Davis is 9months off.

All of this is during the SOTT period overall and just an example that Sheila E is romantically saying she was with Prince day and night, but not factually.

1) Who cares about Sheila not being around Prince 24/7. I have already told you from her own book she said that sometimes she took breaks from him and went back to Oakland.

2) I have no interest in discussing the night Cat went with Devin to meet Prince because the has nothing to do with the conversation at all. I never said Sheila was around then because this would have been before the rehearsals for SOTT times. This is all stuff you are bring up to point out that Sheila was not living with Prince or involved with him which makes no sense since Cat and Devin were going out with Prince prior to the SOTT rehearsals. Why would Sheila have been around if the rehearsals had not started?

3) I told you per Eric and Sheila E books they were both at dinner with Miles and John Nelson in December of 86. Do you remember that Miles was in Minneapolis for the New Year show? I never recall Cat saying she was at that dinner. I also never said Cat was at that dinner.

4) The point is that Sheila E was at that dinner in December of 86, started rehearsals with the band,

went out on the road in 87, somewhere in here he proposed, the were on the road together so yes, she could have been with him every night on that tour and while the rehearsal was going on. This time frame going into the love sexy tour would have been a year.

5) She has said they had disagreements during the Love sexy tour so perhaps that is when their relationship broke up and she said in her book she did not like the music for fourth album with him and was not going to stay around and watch him date other women.

6) She then implies that they may have gotten back together at the Batman wrap party but I also remember that Prince had a dispute with Gilbert Davidson about Glam Slam and Sheila E took Gilberts side in the dispute and they went their separate ways again.

7) Per Robyn Power Sheila was around when she was working on the Uptown Girls project and at least one person has said she came to visit doing Graffito Bridge even leaving the set with him.

8) I firmly believe that she is telling the truth and that they had an off and on affair for many years. If you do not believe that is fine but too much evidence is available.

She said they talked about Paisley Park and her charity and she sent up her drums. The drums are in Paisley Park and I remember she said this right after he died when she was asked about the last time he spoke to her.

purplerabbithole said:

Obviously, P and his female friends had complicated relationships and histories. maybe you or OF4S can find the link or proof that Sheila supposedly tweeted or stated that P contacted her in 2014 and they were talking again. I seem to remember reading that.

laurarichardson said:

Why are blowing this incident up. If she still had problems with him why did she donate her drums? You have an agenda.

Don't call me "chile", bud. LOL... just kidding.

I wasn't saying you were speculating necessarily. I was saying you were including org speculation (at least that's what I read.)

I got to be honest with you, your links are a bit tricky to follow and my eyes are glazing over... Just asking for a synopsis.

As for P's being insecure, I was not trying to diminish her importance. I am just saying--concert tickets are expensive and I don't think people were going to pay just to see Sheila E for a couple songs, especially since I assume she was touring solo as well. . Plus, if he was worried about her overshadowing him, he could have just used her less prominently.

OldFriends4Sale said:

What speculation?

That is just what was happening.

.

I'm not selling him being insecure about it. I just put out some of the 'speculation's I remember that were regular about what people think happened. I don't think anyone had a specific reason for her leaving the Welcome 2 Europe tour.
But Sheila E did tweet/FB a lot of the stuff that was happening then.

We were in present time following it all.
I posted a few links from back then when it was happening.

.

And if you haven't been to a Prince concert you would be suprised that people did love the chemistry between Prince & Sheila E. He had a lot of people on stage with him on the Welcome 2 tours. Sheila E wasn't an obscure figure to Prince fans. She was performing on the full show, not just a few songs.

.

I posted all this information and you are asking me the same questions over again lol

this is too much work.

The 2nd link I posted has the exact twitter conversation by Sheila E as well has her FB responses
She also in 2013 or 2014 put on her FB page that she was going to Minneapolis to see Prince, which is when we believe they reconnected

the 3rd link has Pete Escovedo's reply to the San Jose show issue

chile if you don't go read the links I went out of my way to provide lol

purplerabbithole said:

OF4S, your timeline may have a bit of speculation in it..LOL. But if it is entirely true, it sounds like Prince had some trust issues where Sheila was concerned (and visa versa). Its kind of like how some people didn't like Sheila being so much in the public eye right after P died. Sheila doesn't mind publicity and she is good at (appeases the media just enough without exposing too much) . I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. Someone has to talk to the press and carry on legacies. She is as ambitious as anyone else in the purple kingdom, just not media shy like some of them. Ironically, it sounds like she was better at dealing wtih the media than he ever was.

BTW, I don't buy the speculations that he was intimidated by her overshadoiwng him (People don't spend the money on a Prince concert just to see Sheila E for a couple songs.) I don't think he lipsynced either. Do we have proof she said that or is that just org speculation. After all, during the Super bowl performance, there are imperfection where the singing is concerned (in other words, P moving away from the microphone to move or play and the vocal getting fainter).

Apparently, OF4S also indicated a real time post by Sheila in 2013/14 indicating that she and P were talking.

laurarichardson said:

She said they talked about Paisley Park and her charity and she sent up her drums. The drums are in Paisley Park and I remember she said this right after he died when she was asked about the last time he spoke to her.

purplerabbithole said:

Obviously, P and his female friends had complicated relationships and histories. maybe you or OF4S can find the link or proof that Sheila supposedly tweeted or stated that P contacted her in 2014 and they were talking again. I seem to remember reading that.

[Edited 10/12/17 8:00am]

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

let me catch you up

I was just listing examples of when/where Sheila E was not with Prince all the time. Not that serious.

I said:He wasn't with her the night he met Cat at his house with Eric & Miles Davis, not to mention Devin

just going off of memory. But they were two different situations. Even you thought they were the same

Even you said in post #29: I also remember Cat saying she went to a Birthday party that Prince had for Sheila E.

so you got it mixed up too , but we put it together because WE like purple-history

Laurarichardson. I saw us talking about the timeline and history and getting a conclusion. I like that stuff,

The Birthday party was December 1987 not December 1986. The dinner Cat is talking about is not Sheila E's birthday party. Sheila E was not there at this dinner with Devin.
When CAT met Prince at his house in Beverly Hills was late 86 early 87. She was not in the band yet. She had not worked on Sheila E's Koo Koo yet. Sheila E was not at this dinner party with Prince. Devin was. Who was Prince's sidechick. Prince was not going to be allowed there. Devin even said that Prince would keep her away from certain ladies in his band when she tried to meet them.

The dinner party with Sheila E included Miles Davis and Eric (but not Cat and Devin) that was late March 1987(when Cat is in the band). They all go out to a night club. Not in December of 87. The New Years show with Miles Davis is 9months off.

All of this is during the SOTT period overall and just an example that Sheila E is romantically saying she was with Prince day and night, but not factually.

1) Who cares about Sheila not being around Prince 24/7. I have already told you from her own book she said that sometimes she took breaks from him and went back to Oakland.

2) I have no interest in discussing the night Cat went with Devin to meet Prince because the has nothing to do with the conversation at all. I never said Sheila was around then because this would have been before the rehearsals for SOTT times. This is all stuff you are bring up to point out that Sheila was not living with Prince or involved with him which makes no sense since Cat and Devin were going out with Prince prior to the SOTT rehearsals. Why would Sheila have been around if the rehearsals had not started?

3) I told you per Eric and Sheila E books they were both at dinner with Miles and John Nelson in December of 86. Do you remember that Miles was in Minneapolis for the New Year show? I never recall Cat saying she was at that dinner. I also never said Cat was at that dinner.

4) The point is that Sheila E was at that dinner in December of 86, started rehearsals with the band,

went out on the road in 87, somewhere in here he proposed, the were on the road together so yes, she could have been with him every night on that tour and while the rehearsal was going on. This time frame going into the love sexy tour would have been a year.

5) She has said they had disagreements during the Love sexy tour so perhaps that is when their relationship broke up and she said in her book she did not like the music for fourth album with him and was not going to stay around and watch him date other women.

6) She then implies that they may have gotten back together at the Batman wrap party but I also remember that Prince had a dispute with Gilbert Davidson about Glam Slam and Sheila E took Gilberts side in the dispute and they went their separate ways again.

7) Per Robyn Power Sheila was around when she was working on the Uptown Girls project and at least one person has said she came to visit doing Graffito Bridge even leaving the set with him.

8) I firmly believe that she is telling the truth and that they had an off and on affair for many years. If you do not believe that is fine but too much evidence is available.

1. Which just confirms that the Day & Night for a Year, was a romantic euphemism or some other word.

2. If you have no interest in discussing the night Cat is talking about then why keep replying. You are confusing the two nights. Those are two different nights.

3. Eric Leeds said it was the March 1987 dinner party with Miles and Sheila E. I already told U this.
Cat's interview talked about a seperate dinner party. She was not in the band at the time. She came as a guest of Devin's. This was 1986

4. Sheila E was not at the 1986 dinner party where Cat & Devin attended. Cat had not joined the band yet. Sheila E was at the March 1987 party with Eric & Miles. Cat & Devin were not there

b. the tour started in May in Europe. Sheila E said it was mid tour in Europe. The tour ended in June.

c. following was the completion of Paisley Park, work on Jill Jones and Tag Sevelle's albums

Umm Jill Jones being one of his girlfriends. Black album he meets Ingrid Chavez 12.1.1987

d. not to mention Susannah did not leave him until late November 1986 early December 1986

5. Yes I posted the information earlier in the thread about Sheila E's complaints about the direction of the music in general and the direction Prince had for her.

6. The dispute with Gilbert Davidson about Glam Slam was 1994. Sheila sided with Gilbert and Prince banned her from Paisley Park.

7. Yes I posted that already where it was the drummer for the Uptown Dames seeing Sheila e and being excited to see her.

8. I agree that they had an on again off again affair for many years. I never denied this

I like Bud

Oh yeah it was the speculation among fans as the 'events' proceeded

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The 2 links are tricky to follow? What do you mean?
I mean those two org links I provided. 1 longer 5pgs 1 short 1pg

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I don't know...

Why did Prince hide the Time behind a curtain while backing up Vanity 6?
Why did he remove the Time totally from the 1999 tour?

Why did he not have the Time open for him for the Welcome 2 Australia tour?

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But when Sheila E joined him on the Welcome 2 tour she joined as a full time musician. Unlike the others. Have you seen any clips or shows. There was a lot of interplay between the two.

purplerabbithole said:

Don't call me "chile", bud. LOL... just kidding.

I wasn't saying you were speculating necessarily. I was saying you were including org speculation (at least that's what I read.)

I got to be honest with you, your links are a bit tricky to follow and my eyes are glazing over... Just asking for a synopsis.

As for P's being insecure, I was not trying to diminish her importance. I am just saying--concert tickets are expensive and I don't think people were going to pay just to see Sheila E for a couple songs, especially since I assume she was touring solo as well. . Plus, if he was worried about her overshadowing him, he could have just used her less prominently.

OldFriends4Sale said:

What speculation?

That is just what was happening.

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I'm not selling him being insecure about it. I just put out some of the 'speculation's I remember that were regular about what people think happened. I don't think anyone had a specific reason for her leaving the Welcome 2 Europe tour.
But Sheila E did tweet/FB a lot of the stuff that was happening then.

We were in present time following it all.
I posted a few links from back then when it was happening.

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And if you haven't been to a Prince concert you would be suprised that people did love the chemistry between Prince & Sheila E. He had a lot of people on stage with him on the Welcome 2 tours. Sheila E wasn't an obscure figure to Prince fans. She was performing on the full show, not just a few songs.

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I posted all this information and you are asking me the same questions over again lol

this is too much work.

The 2nd link I posted has the exact twitter conversation by Sheila E as well has her FB responses
She also in 2013 or 2014 put on her FB page that she was going to Minneapolis to see Prince, which is when we believe they reconnected

the 3rd link has Pete Escovedo's reply to the San Jose show issue

chile if you don't go read the links I went out of my way to provide lol

I don't know...

Why did Prince hide the Time behind a curtain while backing up Vanity 6?
Why did he remove the Time totally from the 1999 tour?

Why did he not have the Time open for him for the Welcome 2 Australia tour?

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He was showcasing Vanity Six and the guys already had their time on stage.

Because he did not want them to crush him on stage and they were a much better band then his own band. He actually admitted this.

Because they opened for him on The Musicolgy Tour and Welcome 2 America which he did not have to let them do. If the Time once to go outside of the country nothing is stopping them.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I like Bud

Oh yeah it was the speculation among fans as the 'events' proceeded

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The 2 links are tricky to follow? What do you mean?
I mean those two org links I provided. 1 longer 5pgs 1 short 1pg

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I don't know...

Why did Prince hide the Time behind a curtain while backing up Vanity 6?
Why did he remove the Time totally from the 1999 tour?

Why did he not have the Time open for him for the Welcome 2 Australia tour?

.

But when Sheila E joined him on the Welcome 2 tour she joined as a full time musician. Unlike the others. Have you seen any clips or shows. There was a lot of interplay between the two.

purplerabbithole said:

Don't call me "chile", bud. LOL... just kidding.

I wasn't saying you were speculating necessarily. I was saying you were including org speculation (at least that's what I read.)

I got to be honest with you, your links are a bit tricky to follow and my eyes are glazing over... Just asking for a synopsis.

As for P's being insecure, I was not trying to diminish her importance. I am just saying--concert tickets are expensive and I don't think people were going to pay just to see Sheila E for a couple songs, especially since I assume she was touring solo as well. . Plus, if he was worried about her overshadowing him, he could have just used her less prominently.

purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said:

He was the last person these women needed to be involved with.

I agree LR, in the "epic ever relationship" sense. Any man is gonna have a hard time following that up!!!!!!! And how many of all his women have had successful relationships afterward. A few I'm quessing. She is not alone in choosing to stop with him. No other dude was gonna match up!

I think that statement is way too overrated when it comes to P and his past women. Hell, how many non celebrity relationships are "successful". My grandmother had eight children and none of them (except one) has had a successful relationship/marriage. And the one that seemed to last or work out was fake (in my opinion) because his wife cheated on him and had a child outside of the marriage and he also used to beat her. Yet, here they are, in thier 60's in this so called "lasting" relationships (to outsiders, that is). But the family knows better. He just went along to "get along". And so did she. By the time the second child was born, he didn't want to divorce and pay alimony and God only knows what her reason for staying was. So, I said all that to say this: Just because a relationship looks successful, does not mean it is. You would be surprised to know what goes on behind closed doors in people's lives. Most stay in these "loveless" marriages for the sake of the children. They sleep in separate bedrooms (and sometimes have outside relationships) counting the days until the children are grown so they can go their seperate ways So yeah, what successful relationship has anyone in Hollywood had with another after a break up with someone else (in Hollywood) Not many.

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Oh, and by the way, just for the record, Susan Moonsie and Manuela Testolini went on to marry and have families. Don't know how "happy" or truly "successful" they are though. Could be all a front for all we know. Susannah Melvoin married and had a child also. But I think she's divorced now.

purplefam99 said:

His relationship with Sheila was the most like a real marriage, because of the Element of forgiveness and reconciliation. I'm glad that he had that full circle with her. In my view that is how I know the love wasn't unrequited. And why she will not give those cards away. She went full circle with him, Perhaps more than once. [Edited 10/11/17 15:20pm]

That is called love.
the element of forgiveness and reconciliation is about any relationship:Parents/Children, Siblings, Best Friends, Friends, Lovers, Spouses, God etc

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it was unrequited as far as Sheila E wanted MARRIAGE and Prince never went there.

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If you want to be friends(phileo) with someone and they don't want that, they just want you to be a booty call, that in unrequited.

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If you want to continue a relationship of sisterhood with your sister or cousin and she doesn't want to be, that is unrequited.

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If a man keep turning you down for what you want and you don't move on, it is unrequited, he doesn't want that from you. And if you years later continue to want something from a man he won't give or you have to try to force it is unrequited and you have to get help to let go and move on. It is not healthy.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

un·re·quit·ed

ˌənrəˈkwīdəd/

adjective

adjective: unrequited

1. (of a feeling, especially love) not returned or rewarded.

   synonyms: unreciprocated, unreturned;More

   vain, spurned, rejected, unsatisfied

Why more than once? Because she was waiting for something he would not give...

She wanted faithfulness and to his one and only

Each time she broke it off with Prince was because there were other ladies

She had every right too

She never said the love was not returned. He returned it but she knew he was into polyamourous relationships from the begining. He cared about because she discussed his jealousy when she was in Krush Groove with Blair Underwood.

unrequited means the love she wanted was not returned. After 89, it was clear Prince moved on.

She wanted marriage with Prince, he wanted friendship. Both require love but she wanted Eros/Pragma(sexual passion/commitment(marriage/union) He wanted Phileo(deep friendship non Eros)

reply #8

Laurarichardson said: I think she believed she was going to be MrsNelson and I'm not sure is ever going to get over it

http://prince.org/msg/5/441894/

reply #24

I think she was more crazy about him than he was about her.
If he married her her it would have been practical but he followed his heart.

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I have seen clips of his interplay with Sheila. It was great. I have watched SOTT and read online tweets complimenting the hell out of this woman's drumming . He totally let her shine in SOTT and Lovesexy. But Prince is still why you go to a Prince concert. If he was insecure about their talents, then I feel sorry for him. But how insecure could he really be if he let these talented folks on stage with him in the first place.

As for the Time, they are RandB and funk and they were great live performers offering the stuff that certain audiences prefer (over rock etc) so I can understand the intimidation a little bit. But really, Prince was a monster on stage and sex on two little feet. His fans came to see him. Maybe I only see things from mine own eyes but if I went to those concerts, I would mostly focus on the Prince himself. In all the concerts, I have seen online, that has been the case. If Prince wasn't getting all the attention from the male audience members, he was certainly getting it from the females.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I like Bud

Oh yeah it was the speculation among fans as the 'events' proceeded

.

The 2 links are tricky to follow? What do you mean?
I mean those two org links I provided. 1 longer 5pgs 1 short 1pg

.

I don't know...

Why did Prince hide the Time behind a curtain while backing up Vanity 6?
Why did he remove the Time totally from the 1999 tour?

Why did he not have the Time open for him for the Welcome 2 Australia tour?

.

But when Sheila E joined him on the Welcome 2 tour she joined as a full time musician. Unlike the others. Have you seen any clips or shows. There was a lot of interplay between the two.

purplerabbithole said:

Don't call me "chile", bud. LOL... just kidding.

I wasn't saying you were speculating necessarily. I was saying you were including org speculation (at least that's what I read.)

I got to be honest with you, your links are a bit tricky to follow and my eyes are glazing over... Just asking for a synopsis.

As for P's being insecure, I was not trying to diminish her importance. I am just saying--concert tickets are expensive and I don't think people were going to pay just to see Sheila E for a couple songs, especially since I assume she was touring solo as well. . Plus, if he was worried about her overshadowing him, he could have just used her less prominently.

PaisleyPrint said:

purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said: I agree LR, in the "epic ever relationship" sense. Any man is gonna have a hard time following that up!!!!!!! And how many of all his women have had successful relationships afterward. A few I'm quessing. She is not alone in choosing to stop with him. No other dude was gonna match up!

I think that statement is way too overrated when it comes to P and his past women. Hell, how many non celebrity relationships are "successful". My grandmother had eight children and none of them (except one) has had a successful relationship/marriage. And the one that seemed to last or work out was fake (in my opinion) because his wife cheated on him and had a child outside of the marriage and he also used to beat her. Yet, here they are, in thier 60's in this so called "lasting" relationships (to outsiders, that is). But the family knows better. He just went along to "get along". And so did she. By the time the second child was born, he didn't want to divorce and pay alimony and God only knows what her reason for staying was. So, I said all that to say this: Just because a relationship looks successful, does not mean it is. You would be surprised to know what goes on behind closed doors in people's lives. Most stay in these "loveless" marriages for the sake of the children. They sleep in separate bedrooms (and sometimes have outside relationships) counting the days until the children are grown so they can go their seperate ways So yeah, what successful relationship has anyone in Hollywood had with another after a break up with someone else (in Hollywood) Not many.

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Oh, and by the way, just for the record, Susan Moonsie and Manuela Testolini went on to marry and have families. Don't know how "happy" or truly "successful" they are though. Could be all a front for all we know. Susannah Melvoin married and had a child also. But I think she's divorced now.

From my understanding Susan Moonsie went and got her college education and had a family. I believe she is still married

Kim Upsher(RIP) married and had a family

Denise Matthews(RIP) ie Vanity married twice after Prince

Susannah Melvoin was married ten years and divorced

Manuaela remarried and is still married

Bria Valente married after Prince

Jill Jones is married currently, I don't know if she was married to the father of her daughter

Carmen Electra was married to Dave Navarre