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Reply #60 posted 04/17/17 10:00pm

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It's Prince. I'm sure he was still dating/playng mind games with a lot of women at the time. Judith was just one of the many women he was seeing I'm sure. Seems like he was still in contact with Tamron, Lala, and possibly Andy at the time too. I do think it's interesting that after Andy, he was seeking out other women with big, natural hair but I digress. If Judith was his last gf, I just wish she had stayed with him and pushed him to get help.

I agree. After 2014 is when he began to deteriorate.

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Reply #61 posted 04/17/17 10:50pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't think it is skepticism as much as what to believe or not, there was Andy Allo Judith Hill Tamron Hall claiming something and people claiming Damaris was too all around the same time, I forget, but I think there was a few more

Lala Escarzega, penguin girl (likely a figment of her imagination but who knows), Kandace Springs said she had to rebuff his advances, did he try it on with Shameless Maya as well? And lots more i'm sure.

What the definition of girlfriend actually was in the final years is up in the air though.

[Edited 4/17/17 18:02pm]

"Penguin girl" blocked me on Twitter today because I dared ask her what her comment was on the Judith Hill revelation in the police docs, which I think is pretty telling.

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Reply #62 posted 04/18/17 3:45am

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BTW, yesterday, I read a comment somewhere, either on the org or social media, that Judith Hill and Kirk Johnson are presently dating. I was not on my computer at the time and I'm trying to track that down again. Has anyone read (or heard) anything similar?

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Reply #63 posted 04/18/17 4:05am

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FlyOnTheWall said:

BTW, yesterday, I read a comment somewhere, either on the org or social media, that Judith Hill and Kirk Johnson are presently dating. I was not on my computer at the time and I'm trying to track that down again. Has anyone read (or heard) anything similar?

Yikes

I saw Kirk was dating someone yesterday, and I remember being surprised at who it was, but I don't remember where I saw it or who the gal was, but...Ew

You're so in love with your man and he dies and not even a year later you're dating not only his supposed best friend but someone who might be responsible for your man getting the drugs that killed him?

Wow, that's true love.

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Reply #64 posted 04/18/17 5:11am

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I'm not even calling her a liar. If she was she was.
I don't think it would be deranged. From her perspective even if she wasn't from his.

People believe any pretty woman standing sitting next to Prince is dating him.

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OK but would judith hill really lie to the police about this? That would be a pretty deranged thing to do and there's no reason to thing she's deranged.

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and to be fair, all she said to the police was that they were in a romantic relationship; I don't know if she said she was the ONLY one he was in a romantic relationship with.

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I don't think it is skepticism as much as what to believe or not, there was Andy Allo Judith Hill Tamron Hall claiming something and people claiming Damaris was too all around the same time, I forget, but I think there was a few more

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Reply #65 posted 04/18/17 5:14am

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It's Prince. I'm sure he was still dating/playng mind games with a lot of women at the time. Judith was just one of the many women he was seeing I'm sure. Seems like he was still in contact with Tamron, Lala, and possibly Andy at the time too. I do think it's interesting that after Andy, he was seeking out other women with big, natural hair but I digress. If Judith was his last gf, I just wish she had stayed with him and pushed him to get help.

yep big naturally curly hair, he always liked curly hair. I think most of them from Susan Moonsie onward were pretty natural though. And still women in his 'type'.

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Reply #66 posted 04/18/17 5:15am

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I thought Andy was out of the picture by 2014? Damaris and Tamron denied romantic relationships with him. Judith strongly hinted at a relationship with Prince during her interviews after his death. Plus him saying he wasn't available during that Arsenio Hall interview in 2014, I believe they were involved and good for them! [Edited 4/17/17 19:22pm]

Andy might not have been physically around Prince much (that we know of) after 2013, but he sure seemed to be consumed with her. Even now, Andy's photo graces the Galaxy Room at Paisley Park. I've not personally seen it, but one person says that it is like a huge holograph in the room. Some have even gone so far as to say that is is like a "shrine."

Of course, I discussed this at length on several threads that, for whatever reason, remain hidden. Fortunately, I was able to copy the most recent one, "A Photographic Record ~ Prince and Andy Allo ~ 2011-2016." Here is part of one post I wrote about that period.









Between 2014 and 2015, Prince released four albums, with Allo inspiring or being featured prominently in many of the songs: Art Official Age, Plectrumelectrum, HITnRUN Phase One and HITnRUN Phase Two. P also executive produced her sophomore album Superconductor, on which he also co­wrote two songs. Additionally, the pair collaborated on their historic acoustic album Oui Can Luv, which Prince released for 12 hours on TIDAL in a special "Luvstream" November 7, 2015.









You are so fucking delusional. Your totally obsessed with this Andy Prince thing. It is not no where near a huge photo nor a shrine. It's a small frame in the galaxy room IN THE CORNER. Easy to miss if you don't look since the room is dim. Fucking paychopath
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Reply #67 posted 04/18/17 5:16am

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pinkcashmere23 said:


Andy was seeing someone most of 2015 and last year so she most likely was out of the picture-at least as a girlfriend.Seems they might have still been friends though.



Who was Andy seeing? Did she mention this person in her social media?



Correct. Andy was dating some white guy for two years. Prince was NO WHERE near in the picture. Andy and Prince didn't talk at all!!
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Reply #68 posted 04/18/17 5:19am

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Media are reporting that Judith Hill was his girlfriend since 2014. That took me by suprise somehow. Immediately felt so sad for her and happy for him. He had someone special in his life when he died.

they never were an item, people see Prince with a woman (could be his own family) and they assume they are dating or having sex. Most don't do the homework.

OFFS, apparently she confirmed this, as per the search warrants. She probably kept it quiet because that was his MO.

Anyway, does this mean Penguin Girl is lying? lol lol

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Reply #69 posted 04/18/17 5:20am

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FlyOnTheWall said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't think it is skepticism as much as what to believe or not, there was Andy Allo Judith Hill Tamron Hall claiming something and people claiming Damaris was too all around the same time, I forget, but I think there was a few more

I don't think either Andy Allo or Tamron Hall ever claimed any romantic relationship; with Prince. In her social media tribute to Prince, Andy did say that they shared a "great love." That is the extent of what she has said, to my knowledge; however, many, including myself, have inferred that Andy and Prince were deeply involved. Personally, based on his public actions, including many overtures toward Andy Allo, I would be stunned if Prince was actually romantically involved with Judith Hill. Stunned, I tell you.

I mean Tamron Hall claiming something. Again it was in the 'tabloids' the she too was Prince's girlfriend. Tamron said they weren't but there was this whole grey area thing she said.

A bunch of them say 'best friend' now. And I think that is kinda sad, that a man that you've probably seen 1 or 2 times face to face, but admittingly your relations/friendship was mostly over the phone. For a mainstream woman like Tamron living in NYC and your 'best friend' you never get to hang out with.

I believe Prince & Andy were together.

It just didn't seem like Prince & Judith were, the public images of them just didn't give that off.

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Reply #70 posted 04/18/17 5:23am

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OldFriends4Sale said:




contropurple said:


Media are reporting that Judith Hill was his girlfriend since 2014. That took me by suprise somehow. Immediately felt so sad for her and happy for him. He had someone special in his life when he died.


they never were an item, people see Prince with a woman (could be his own family) and they assume they are dating or having sex. Most don't do the homework.



OFFS, apparently she confirmed this, as per the search warrants. She probably kept it quiet because that was his MO.



Anyway, does this mean Penguin Girl is lying? lol lol



I find Judith Hill REALLY unattractive. Perhaps they were romantically involved but that doesn't mean girlfriend. Prince was not shy about who he dated. He made a big deal about it. If he and judith were official, everyone would have known.
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Reply #71 posted 04/18/17 5:24am

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purplerabbithole said:

Sociopathic? I hope that is just hyperbole. Because sociopaths are scary mofo's.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Prince clearly had sociopathic tendencies and he excelled at it

Most of the time you don't know you're in the cloud of it until after you are out

you mean psychopaths. Yes they are scary and evil.

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MMJas said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

they never were an item, people see Prince with a woman (could be his own family) and they assume they are dating or having sex. Most don't do the homework.

OFFS, apparently she confirmed this, as per the search warrants. She probably kept it quiet because that was his MO.

Anyway, does this mean Penguin Girl is lying? lol lol

lol I'm so out of this level Princedom lol

now who is Penguin Girl?

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GoldenParachute said:

MMJas said:

OFFS, apparently she confirmed this, as per the search warrants. She probably kept it quiet because that was his MO.

Anyway, does this mean Penguin Girl is lying? lol lol

I find Judith Hill REALLY unattractive. Perhaps they were romantically involved but that doesn't mean girlfriend. Prince was not shy about who he dated. He made a big deal about it. If he and judith were official, everyone would have known.

that Japanese & African mix

I think she is attractive, she could be actress Sonequa Martin-Green(the walking dead) sister.

Not to the same degree, but she seemed to have a similiar 'secret' relationship like Prince had with Sheila E in the 80s. The career, was more prominent, but hints of something more.

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Reply #74 posted 04/18/17 5:58am

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MMJas said:

OFFS, apparently she confirmed this, as per the search warrants. She probably kept it quiet because that was his MO.

Anyway, does this mean Penguin Girl is lying? lol lol

lol I'm so out of this level Princedom lol

now who is Penguin Girl?

Hahaha!

I'm not the best person to explain it, cause I'm not sure myself, just some girl on twitter that claims that she was Prince's girlfriend and called him Penguin intimately. A few days after Prince dies she was all over twitter talking about how heartbroken she was and how much she really really loved chocolate muffins or something like that. Sounded totally legit. lol

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Reply #75 posted 04/18/17 6:10am

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Sheesh, the woman wasn't unattractive. Maybe she's not drop dead gorgeous like... I don't know... Vanity. lol but she is pretty in her own way. Once in a while Prince did date the average looking pretty girl, instead of a bombshell like, Vanity or Carmen Electra.

I don't understand with all the clues pointing to her, and her confirming it, why people are having such a hard time believing that they were together. All the clues are there.

I'm not invested in her one way or another, I actually wish it was Tamron or Andy. I like them better for him. The chemistry seemed stronger with those two than her, I agree. I kind of think Prince did like Tamron Hall, I remember when she said he called her, and she told him "I was just thinking about you" and he said to her " You were thinking about me because I was thinking about You"(sigh, lol) and he also told her to come see him, but she said she couldn't because she had to work.

I think that was the reason she had to see a therapist. I think Tamron Hall just wanted to be fiends with him because she "knew him" if you know what I mean.... She said, and I quote "You can't date Prince" but Prince seemed to get an excitement from lay-waiting women, chipping away at their reluctance until the opportune time, so who knows what would have happened. But I definitely believe that he was "seeing" in some way or fashion Judith Hill. There's just too many clues pointing to something more than friends and now she confirmed it. I can't imagine someone would be that desperate for attention to actually lie.

I'm one of those that are just happy that he had a significant other in his life. He needed that comfort of a woman in those last few months of his life more than ever, especially in my opinion, after Vanity's passing and all the other stuff he seemed to have been going through in the end. The regret I have is that she wasn't there on 4/21/16...
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Reply #76 posted 04/18/17 6:18am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

peri1025 said:

It's Prince. I'm sure he was still dating/playng mind games with a lot of women at the time. Judith was just one of the many women he was seeing I'm sure. Seems like he was still in contact with Tamron, Lala, and possibly Andy at the time too. I do think it's interesting that after Andy, he was seeking out other women with big, natural hair but I digress. If Judith was his last gf, I just wish she had stayed with him and pushed him to get help.

yep big naturally curly hair, he always liked curly hair. I think most of them from Susan Moonsie onward were pretty natural though. And still women in his 'type'.

I think Cat Glover was actually the original curly-haired Prince beauty.

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Reply #77 posted 04/18/17 6:24am

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You are so fucking delusional. Your totally obsessed with this Andy Prince thing. It is not no where near a huge photo nor a shrine. It's a small frame in the galaxy room IN THE CORNER. Easy to miss if you don't look since the room is dim. Fucking paychopath

Yikes. Such nastiness!! I tell you what: If I'm so "delusional," tell me what I said about Prince's music output from 2014 until the time of his passing is untrue?

With regard to the galaxy room, as I said from the outset, I have not visited Paisley Park. I'm only stating what others have shared with me on various threads. I'm going to try to dig up some of those comments and post them. Lastly, based on the numerous comments on Andy's social media regarding the photo, it doesn't seem like many folks are missing it.

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Reply #78 posted 04/18/17 6:25am

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MMJas said:

OFFS, apparently she confirmed this, as per the search warrants. She probably kept it quiet because that was his MO.

Anyway, does this mean Penguin Girl is lying? lol lol

I find Judith Hill REALLY unattractive. Perhaps they were romantically involved but that doesn't mean girlfriend. Prince was not shy about who he dated. He made a big deal about it. If he and judith were official, everyone would have known.

I would've never said it out loud, but since someone did I can only say...finally.

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She does have a spectacular singing voice, though.

[Edited 4/18/17 6:25am]

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Reply #79 posted 04/18/17 6:48am

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GoldenParachute said:

MMJas said: I find Judith Hill REALLY unattractive. Perhaps they were romantically involved but that doesn't mean girlfriend. Prince was not shy about who he dated. He made a big deal about it. If he and judith were official, everyone would have known.

I would've never said it out loud, but since someone did I can only say...finally.

boxed

She does have a spectacular singing voice, though.

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lol LBrent, you crack me up all the time. Your sense of humor while conveying message without intent to harm is inspiring.

Now, we must admit beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For instance, I don't find a few of his exes attractive and he married one of them. razz

This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
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Reply #80 posted 04/18/17 7:03am

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malbena said:

LBrent said:

I would've never said it out loud, but since someone did I can only say...finally.

boxed

She does have a spectacular singing voice, though.

[Edited 4/18/17 6:25am]

lol LBrent, you crack me up all the time. Your sense of humor while conveying message without intent to harm is inspiring.

Now, we must admit beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For instance, I don't find a few of his exes attractive and he married one of them. razz

Thank you.

And I think the exes ranged in looks for me as well...I also find one ex-wife...nevermind, cuz it'll just open the door to being mean and I need either sleep or coffee or both.

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Reply #81 posted 04/18/17 7:03am

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GoldenParachute said:


FlyOnTheWall said:




You are so fucking delusional. Your totally obsessed with this Andy Prince thing. It is not no where near a huge photo nor a shrine. It's a small frame in the galaxy room IN THE CORNER. Easy to miss if you don't look since the room is dim. Fucking paychopath

Yikes. Such nastiness!! I tell you what: If I'm so "delusional," tell me what I said about Prince's music output from 2014 until the time of his passing is untrue?

With regard to the galaxy room, as I said from the outset, I have not visited Paisley Park. I'm only stating what others have shared with me on various threads. I'm going to try to dig up some of those comments and post them. Lastly, based on the numerous comments on Andy's social media regarding the photo, it doesn't seem like many folks are missing it.



Sorry, I can't go into your safe space with you, that would only aid in your delusions. I don't think you need any one to continue to validate what you say with an actual response. You're too close to the trees to see the forest and I guarantee that no matter what any one tells you or what evidence they show you, you still will delusionally convince yoirself that something is more than what it is. This has been your most consistent attribute. Carry on. I know you will.
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Reply #82 posted 04/18/17 7:20am

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peri1025 said:

It's Prince. I'm sure he was still dating/playng mind games with a lot of women at the time. Judith was just one of the many women he was seeing I'm sure. Seems like he was still in contact with Tamron, Lala, and possibly Andy at the time too. I do think it's interesting that after Andy, he was seeking out other women with big, natural hair but I digress. If Judith was his last gf, I just wish she had stayed with him and pushed him to get help.

I agree. After 2014 is when he began to deteriorate.

[Edited 4/17/17 22:01pm]

I think he was interested in the talented Esperanza Spalding before Andy...romance? i don't know

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yep big naturally curly hair, he always liked curly hair. I think most of them from Susan Moonsie onward were pretty natural though. And still women in his 'type'.

I think Cat Glover was actually the original curly-haired Prince beauty.

Cat Glover did not come into the camp until 1987

I don't know what u mean by 'original curly-haired...'

Sheila E's hair is curly too, and she wore it in an afro in the 70s

Susannah Melvoin has very curly hair

Susan Moonsie 00

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FlyOnTheWall said:

I agree. After 2014 is when he began to deteriorate.

[Edited 4/17/17 22:01pm]

I think he was interested in the talented Esperanza Spalding before Andy...romance? i don't know

no there was never anything beyond musical appreciation, like with Alicia and dancer Misty Copeland(newly married)

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Reply #85 posted 04/18/17 7:37am

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FlyOnTheWall said:

I agree. After 2014 is when he began to deteriorate.

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I think he was interested in the talented Esperanza Spalding before Andy...romance? i don't know

Some gals he "tried", but they politely declined...But I'll bet more who accepted his advances than there were those who declined his advances.

And I truly believe he made advances on damn near all of them in one way or another, even if it was simply a reflex and he didn't expect to score.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained...it was in his DNA.

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Reply #86 posted 04/18/17 7:48am

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Yea I think he tried with most of his associates/protégés. I don't find Judith attractive, but maybe she has a kind soul. I just wish she hadn't left him after the plane incident. And I'm not sure why she's getting mad at people for the article. She's the one who shared their romance with detectives. She didn't have an issue last summer when she gave the interview and discussed the plane incident and their love.

I will say, I agree that it doesn't seem like he at least outright wrote songs about her which seemed to be one of his tale tail signs with romances. He definitely was keeeping this one secret. But again, I doubt she was the only one he was involved with. I wish he had been with someone like Tamron, older and more mature. I think he still had feelings for Andy but did her wrong so that was over. He kept supporting her though and clearly enjoyed their collabs. She moved on and was dating some other guy for at least a year according to her IG posts.
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Yea I think he tried with most of his associates/protégés. I don't find Judith attractive, but maybe she has a kind soul. I just wish she hadn't left him after the plane incident. And I'm not sure why she's getting mad at people for the article. She's the one who shared their romance with detectives. She didn't have an issue last summer when she gave the interview and discussed the plane incident and their love. I will say, I agree that it doesn't seem like he at least outright wrote songs about her which seemed to be one of his tale tail signs with romances. He definitely was keeeping this one secret. But again, I doubt she was the only one he was involved with. I wish he had been with someone like Tamron, older and more mature. I think he still had feelings for Andy but did her wrong so that was over. He kept supporting her though and clearly enjoyed their collabs. She moved on and was dating some other guy for at least a year according to her IG posts. [Edited 4/18/17 7:51am]

Tamron was too caught up in the vapors

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Reply #88 posted 04/18/17 8:14am

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Andy was seeing someone most of 2015 and last year so she most likely was out of the picture-at least as a girlfriend.Seems they might have still been friends though.

Male or female? Just curious.

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Reply #89 posted 04/18/17 8:16am

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Yea I think he tried with most of his associates/protégés. I don't find Judith attractive, but maybe she has a kind soul. I just wish she hadn't left him after the plane incident. And I'm not sure why she's getting mad at people for the article. She's the one who shared their romance with detectives. She didn't have an issue last summer when she gave the interview and discussed the plane incident and their love. I will say, I agree that it doesn't seem like he at least outright wrote songs about her which seemed to be one of his tale tail signs with romances. He definitely was keeeping this one secret. But again, I doubt she was the only one he was involved with. I wish he had been with someone like Tamron, older and more mature. I think he still had feelings for Andy but did her wrong so that was over. He kept supporting her though and clearly enjoyed their collabs. She moved on and was dating some other guy for at least a year according to her IG posts. [Edited 4/18/17 7:51am]

I have to look at her IG again, as I never saw any indication of her dating anyone else. It's certainly a possibility, but she was clearly still in love with Prince. That could explain why Prince seemed pretty despondent during his "relationship" comments during some of his Piano and Microphone shows (and as far back as his "Breakdown" performance at Montreux in 2013).

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