peri1025 said:

It's Prince. I'm sure he was still dating/playng mind games with a lot of women at the time. Judith was just one of the many women he was seeing I'm sure. Seems like he was still in contact with Tamron, Lala, and possibly Andy at the time too. I do think it's interesting that after Andy, he was seeking out other women with big, natural hair but I digress. If Judith was his last gf, I just wish she had stayed with him and pushed him to get help.

I agree. After 2014 is when he began to deteriorate.

[Edited 4/17/17 22:01pm]

jaawwnn said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't think it is skepticism as much as what to believe or not, there was Andy Allo Judith Hill Tamron Hall claiming something and people claiming Damaris was too all around the same time, I forget, but I think there was a few more

Lala Escarzega, penguin girl (likely a figment of her imagination but who knows), Kandace Springs said she had to rebuff his advances, did he try it on with Shameless Maya as well? And lots more i'm sure.

What the definition of girlfriend actually was in the final years is up in the air though.

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"Penguin girl" blocked me on Twitter today because I dared ask her what her comment was on the Judith Hill revelation in the police docs, which I think is pretty telling.

BTW, yesterday, I read a comment somewhere, either on the org or social media, that Judith Hill and Kirk Johnson are presently dating. I was not on my computer at the time and I'm trying to track that down again. Has anyone read (or heard) anything similar?

FlyOnTheWall said:

BTW, yesterday, I read a comment somewhere, either on the org or social media, that Judith Hill and Kirk Johnson are presently dating. I was not on my computer at the time and I'm trying to track that down again. Has anyone read (or heard) anything similar?

Yikes

I saw Kirk was dating someone yesterday, and I remember being surprised at who it was, but I don't remember where I saw it or who the gal was, but...Ew

You're so in love with your man and he dies and not even a year later you're dating not only his supposed best friend but someone who might be responsible for your man getting the drugs that killed him?

Wow, that's true love.

I'm not even calling her a liar. If she was she was.
I don't think it would be deranged. From her perspective even if she wasn't from his.

People believe any pretty woman standing sitting next to Prince is dating him.

disch said:

OK but would judith hill really lie to the police about this? That would be a pretty deranged thing to do and there's no reason to thing she's deranged.

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and to be fair, all she said to the police was that they were in a romantic relationship; I don't know if she said she was the ONLY one he was in a romantic relationship with.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't think it is skepticism as much as what to believe or not, there was Andy Allo Judith Hill Tamron Hall claiming something and people claiming Damaris was too all around the same time, I forget, but I think there was a few more

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peri1025 said:

It's Prince. I'm sure he was still dating/playng mind games with a lot of women at the time. Judith was just one of the many women he was seeing I'm sure. Seems like he was still in contact with Tamron, Lala, and possibly Andy at the time too. I do think it's interesting that after Andy, he was seeking out other women with big, natural hair but I digress. If Judith was his last gf, I just wish she had stayed with him and pushed him to get help.

yep big naturally curly hair, he always liked curly hair. I think most of them from Susan Moonsie onward were pretty natural though. And still women in his 'type'.

FlyOnTheWall said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

contropurple said:

Media are reporting that Judith Hill was his girlfriend since 2014. That took me by suprise somehow. Immediately felt so sad for her and happy for him. He had someone special in his life when he died.

they never were an item, people see Prince with a woman (could be his own family) and they assume they are dating or having sex. Most don't do the homework.

OFFS, apparently she confirmed this, as per the search warrants. She probably kept it quiet because that was his MO.

Anyway, does this mean Penguin Girl is lying?

FlyOnTheWall said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't think it is skepticism as much as what to believe or not, there was Andy Allo Judith Hill Tamron Hall claiming something and people claiming Damaris was too all around the same time, I forget, but I think there was a few more

I don't think either Andy Allo or Tamron Hall ever claimed any romantic relationship; with Prince. In her social media tribute to Prince, Andy did say that they shared a "great love." That is the extent of what she has said, to my knowledge; however, many, including myself, have inferred that Andy and Prince were deeply involved. Personally, based on his public actions, including many overtures toward Andy Allo, I would be stunned if Prince was actually romantically involved with Judith Hill. Stunned, I tell you.

I mean Tamron Hall claiming something. Again it was in the 'tabloids' the she too was Prince's girlfriend. Tamron said they weren't but there was this whole grey area thing she said.

A bunch of them say 'best friend' now. And I think that is kinda sad, that a man that you've probably seen 1 or 2 times face to face, but admittingly your relations/friendship was mostly over the phone. For a mainstream woman like Tamron living in NYC and your 'best friend' you never get to hang out with.

I believe Prince & Andy were together.

It just didn't seem like Prince & Judith were, the public images of them just didn't give that off.

MMJas said:

purplerabbithole said:

Sociopathic? I hope that is just hyperbole. Because sociopaths are scary mofo's.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Prince clearly had sociopathic tendencies and he excelled at it

Most of the time you don't know you're in the cloud of it until after you are out

you mean psychopaths. Yes they are scary and evil.

MMJas said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

they never were an item, people see Prince with a woman (could be his own family) and they assume they are dating or having sex. Most don't do the homework.

OFFS, apparently she confirmed this, as per the search warrants. She probably kept it quiet because that was his MO.

Anyway, does this mean Penguin Girl is lying?

lol I'm so out of this level Princedom lol

now who is Penguin Girl?

GoldenParachute said:

MMJas said:

OFFS, apparently she confirmed this, as per the search warrants. She probably kept it quiet because that was his MO.

Anyway, does this mean Penguin Girl is lying?

I find Judith Hill REALLY unattractive. Perhaps they were romantically involved but that doesn't mean girlfriend. Prince was not shy about who he dated. He made a big deal about it. If he and judith were official, everyone would have known.

that Japanese & African mix

I think she is attractive, she could be actress Sonequa Martin-Green(the walking dead) sister.

Not to the same degree, but she seemed to have a similiar 'secret' relationship like Prince had with Sheila E in the 80s. The career, was more prominent, but hints of something more.

OldFriends4Sale said:

MMJas said:

OFFS, apparently she confirmed this, as per the search warrants. She probably kept it quiet because that was his MO.

Anyway, does this mean Penguin Girl is lying?

lol I'm so out of this level Princedom lol

now who is Penguin Girl?

Hahaha!

I'm not the best person to explain it, cause I'm not sure myself, just some girl on twitter that claims that she was Prince's girlfriend and called him Penguin intimately. A few days after Prince dies she was all over twitter talking about how heartbroken she was and how much she really really loved chocolate muffins or something like that. Sounded totally legit.

OldFriends4Sale said:

peri1025 said:

It's Prince. I'm sure he was still dating/playng mind games with a lot of women at the time. Judith was just one of the many women he was seeing I'm sure. Seems like he was still in contact with Tamron, Lala, and possibly Andy at the time too. I do think it's interesting that after Andy, he was seeking out other women with big, natural hair but I digress. If Judith was his last gf, I just wish she had stayed with him and pushed him to get help.

yep big naturally curly hair, he always liked curly hair. I think most of them from Susan Moonsie onward were pretty natural though. And still women in his 'type'.

I think Cat Glover was actually the original curly-haired Prince beauty.

GoldenParachute said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

You are so fucking delusional. Your totally obsessed with this Andy Prince thing. It is not no where near a huge photo nor a shrine. It's a small frame in the galaxy room IN THE CORNER. Easy to miss if you don't look since the room is dim. Fucking paychopath

Yikes. Such nastiness!! I tell you what: If I'm so "delusional," tell me what I said about Prince's music output from 2014 until the time of his passing is untrue?

With regard to the galaxy room, as I said from the outset, I have not visited Paisley Park. I'm only stating what others have shared with me on various threads. I'm going to try to dig up some of those comments and post them. Lastly, based on the numerous comments on Andy's social media regarding the photo, it doesn't seem like many folks are missing it.

GoldenParachute said:

MMJas said:

OFFS, apparently she confirmed this, as per the search warrants. She probably kept it quiet because that was his MO.

Anyway, does this mean Penguin Girl is lying?

I find Judith Hill REALLY unattractive. Perhaps they were romantically involved but that doesn't mean girlfriend. Prince was not shy about who he dated. He made a big deal about it. If he and judith were official, everyone would have known.

I would've never said it out loud, but since someone did I can only say...finally.

She does have a spectacular singing voice, though.

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LBrent said:

GoldenParachute said:

MMJas said: I find Judith Hill REALLY unattractive. Perhaps they were romantically involved but that doesn't mean girlfriend. Prince was not shy about who he dated. He made a big deal about it. If he and judith were official, everyone would have known.

I would've never said it out loud, but since someone did I can only say...finally.

She does have a spectacular singing voice, though.

[Edited 4/18/17 6:25am]

LBrent, you crack me up all the time. Your sense of humor while conveying message without intent to harm is inspiring.

Now, we must admit beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For instance, I don't find a few of his exes attractive and he married one of them.

malbena said:

LBrent said:

I would've never said it out loud, but since someone did I can only say...finally.

She does have a spectacular singing voice, though.

[Edited 4/18/17 6:25am]

LBrent, you crack me up all the time. Your sense of humor while conveying message without intent to harm is inspiring.

Now, we must admit beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For instance, I don't find a few of his exes attractive and he married one of them.

Thank you.

And I think the exes ranged in looks for me as well...I also find one ex-wife...nevermind, cuz it'll just open the door to being mean and I need either sleep or coffee or both.

FlyOnTheWall said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

peri1025 said:

It's Prince. I'm sure he was still dating/playng mind games with a lot of women at the time. Judith was just one of the many women he was seeing I'm sure. Seems like he was still in contact with Tamron, Lala, and possibly Andy at the time too. I do think it's interesting that after Andy, he was seeking out other women with big, natural hair but I digress. If Judith was his last gf, I just wish she had stayed with him and pushed him to get help.

I agree. After 2014 is when he began to deteriorate.

[Edited 4/17/17 22:01pm]

I think he was interested in the talented Esperanza Spalding before Andy...romance? i don't know

FlyOnTheWall said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

yep big naturally curly hair, he always liked curly hair. I think most of them from Susan Moonsie onward were pretty natural though. And still women in his 'type'.

I think Cat Glover was actually the original curly-haired Prince beauty.

Cat Glover did not come into the camp until 1987

I don't know what u mean by 'original curly-haired...'

Sheila E's hair is curly too, and she wore it in an afro in the 70s

Susannah Melvoin has very curly hair

80tomato said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I agree. After 2014 is when he began to deteriorate.

[Edited 4/17/17 22:01pm]

I think he was interested in the talented Esperanza Spalding before Andy...romance? i don't know

no there was never anything beyond musical appreciation, like with Alicia and dancer Misty Copeland(newly married)

80tomato said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I agree. After 2014 is when he began to deteriorate.

[Edited 4/17/17 22:01pm]

I think he was interested in the talented Esperanza Spalding before Andy...romance? i don't know

Some gals he "tried", but they politely declined...But I'll bet more who accepted his advances than there were those who declined his advances.

And I truly believe he made advances on damn near all of them in one way or another, even if it was simply a reflex and he didn't expect to score.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained...it was in his DNA.

peri1025 said:

Yea I think he tried with most of his associates/protégés. I don't find Judith attractive, but maybe she has a kind soul. I just wish she hadn't left him after the plane incident. And I'm not sure why she's getting mad at people for the article. She's the one who shared their romance with detectives. She didn't have an issue last summer when she gave the interview and discussed the plane incident and their love. I will say, I agree that it doesn't seem like he at least outright wrote songs about her which seemed to be one of his tale tail signs with romances. He definitely was keeeping this one secret. But again, I doubt she was the only one he was involved with. I wish he had been with someone like Tamron, older and more mature. I think he still had feelings for Andy but did her wrong so that was over. He kept supporting her though and clearly enjoyed their collabs. She moved on and was dating some other guy for at least a year according to her IG posts. [Edited 4/18/17 7:51am]

Tamron was too caught up in the vapors

pinkcashmere23 said:

Andy was seeing someone most of 2015 and last year so she most likely was out of the picture-at least as a girlfriend.Seems they might have still been friends though.

Male or female? Just curious.

peri1025 said:

Yea I think he tried with most of his associates/protégés. I don't find Judith attractive, but maybe she has a kind soul. I just wish she hadn't left him after the plane incident. And I'm not sure why she's getting mad at people for the article. She's the one who shared their romance with detectives. She didn't have an issue last summer when she gave the interview and discussed the plane incident and their love. I will say, I agree that it doesn't seem like he at least outright wrote songs about her which seemed to be one of his tale tail signs with romances. He definitely was keeeping this one secret. But again, I doubt she was the only one he was involved with. I wish he had been with someone like Tamron, older and more mature. I think he still had feelings for Andy but did her wrong so that was over. He kept supporting her though and clearly enjoyed their collabs. She moved on and was dating some other guy for at least a year according to her IG posts. [Edited 4/18/17 7:51am]

I have to look at her IG again, as I never saw any indication of her dating anyone else. It's certainly a possibility, but she was clearly still in love with Prince. That could explain why Prince seemed pretty despondent during his "relationship" comments during some of his Piano and Microphone shows (and as far back as his "Breakdown" performance at Montreux in 2013).