FlyOnTheWall said:

peri1025 said:

Yea I think he tried with most of his associates/protégés. I don't find Judith attractive, but maybe she has a kind soul. I just wish she hadn't left him after the plane incident. And I'm not sure why she's getting mad at people for the article. She's the one who shared their romance with detectives. She didn't have an issue last summer when she gave the interview and discussed the plane incident and their love. I will say, I agree that it doesn't seem like he at least outright wrote songs about her which seemed to be one of his tale tail signs with romances. He definitely was keeeping this one secret. But again, I doubt she was the only one he was involved with. I wish he had been with someone like Tamron, older and more mature. I think he still had feelings for Andy but did her wrong so that was over. He kept supporting her though and clearly enjoyed their collabs. She moved on and was dating some other guy for at least a year according to her IG posts. [Edited 4/18/17 7:51am]

I have to look at her IG again, as I never saw any indication of her dating anyone else. It's certainly a possibility, but she was clearly still in love with Prince. That could explain why Prince seemed pretty despondent during his "relationship" comments during some of his Piano and Microphone shows (and as far back as his "Breakdown" performance at Montreux in 2013).

I have been to PP and can assure you that there is no shrine, no huge hologram-type projection. It's a professionally shot photo in a 8x10-11x14 frame in the corner of the Galaxy Room.

Let it go. Move on. They both did.

Please get help. Your obsession with this old relationship is disturbing.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I think Cat Glover was actually the original curly-haired Prince beauty.

Cat Glover did not come into the camp until 1987

I don't know what u mean by 'original curly-haired...'

Sheila E's hair is curly too, and she wore it in an afro in the 70s

Susannah Melvoin has very curly hair

I should have been more specific. I was actually referring to "bushy-" or "nappy-" haired women.

FlyOnTheWall said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Cat Glover did not come into the camp until 1987

I don't know what u mean by 'original curly-haired...'

Sheila E's hair is curly too, and she wore it in an afro in the 70s

Susannah Melvoin has very curly hair

I should have been more specific. I was actually referring to "bushy-" or "nappy-" haired women.

You didn't specify what body part as bushy? Sorry, thought I'd release some tension with a joke See LBrent, laughing with you gets dangerous. LOL

FlyOnTheWall said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Cat Glover did not come into the camp until 1987

I don't know what u mean by 'original curly-haired...'

Sheila E's hair is curly too, and she wore it in an afro in the 70s

Susannah Melvoin has very curly hair

I should have been more specific. I was actually referring to "bushy-" or "nappy-" haired women.

Cat's hair is bushy and nappy?

paulludvig said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Andy was seeing someone most of 2015 and last year so she most likely was out of the picture-at least as a girlfriend.Seems they might have still been friends though.

Male or female? Just curious.

I think there is a rumour of Andy being with a woman because of a movie she was in

GoldenParachute said:

MMJas said:

OFFS, apparently she confirmed this, as per the search warrants. She probably kept it quiet because that was his MO.

Anyway, does this mean Penguin Girl is lying?

I find Judith Hill REALLY unattractive. Perhaps they were romantically involved but that doesn't mean girlfriend. Prince was not shy about who he dated. He made a big deal about it. If he and judith were official, everyone would have known.

Judith was too old for Prince, she is in her 30's.

MMJas said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

lol I'm so out of this level Princedom lol

now who is Penguin Girl?

Hahaha!

I'm not the best person to explain it, cause I'm not sure myself, just some girl on twitter that claims that she was Prince's girlfriend and called him Penguin intimately. A few days after Prince dies she was all over twitter talking about how heartbroken she was and how much she really really loved chocolate muffins or something like that. Sounded totally legit.

The first thing she tweeted after she saw on the news that Prince died (not a phone call from his inner circle like you'd expect for someone who was supposedly dating him) was a message to a film production company that they were dating. A film production company.

Then she posted what she claimed were DMs from him, saying things like he missed her already (which, because of certain details of their appearance, many deemed fake) and started sharing details of their "dates," like going to Dairy Queen, how he would call her in the middle of the night and pick her up at her house (even though she lives 3-1/2 hours from PP), that he had her at a party at PP and she sat in a special purple chair in a place of honor. She sent a tweet to Kirk asking if she could go to the first private memorial at PP. Later in the week (I want to say maybe 5 days after Prince's death) she did a photo shoot where she pranced around a field with a bunch of purple balloons, which is kinda odd for someone claiming this person who died less than a week before was the love of her life. She claimed to go to the tribute concert, but no one she was planning on meeting up with saw her there. She has since deleted a lot of this stuff.

There is only one person I've found who has ever confirmed a sighting of her at PP, and it seems to be at a dance party last January that was open to the public (or ticketholders, at least). No one else has ever confirmed a sighting of her at PP or anywhere near Prince, and she refuses to provide any substantial proof of their relationship. She claims to not have any photos because they were too busy living in the moment.

Now, obviously the issue with this is that you can't prove a negative. The only person who can definitively say whether or not they were dating is no longer on this earth. The only other person who can lend any credence to her story is Kirk, because she has told people in DMs that Kirk knew about the "relationship." But, you know, Kirk and his vault LOL

I know it sounds like I'm a bit obsessed with penguin girl, and maybe I am, but I find the whole situation fascinating from a sociological viewpoint. (Not from a "I gotta know all of Prince's personal business" viewpoint.) What if she was dating him - what made people have such a visceral reaction against her? If she wasn't (far more probable), why did she start the charade and why is she continuing when the facts are heavily stacked against her? I could psychoanalyze that forever - she also claims to have been abused by pretty much every male figure of importance in her life, including her bio father, her first stepfather, her stepbrother, her first boyfriend (who she also claims turned out to be a child rapist). She's 27 and has never lived on her own, lives with her mother and stepfather and siblings, just recently got her drivers license (and she lives in Iowa, not someplace like NYC where you don't need it), and seems to be much younger than her age in many ways - but if you cross her, she goes berserk. She tried to doxx someone last week.

As a writer I'm always looking for interesting people and situations to turn into characters, and she definitely fits the bill!

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peri1025 said:

Jill Jones also came for her so here we go.

i don't really get that. everyone grieves differently.

LBrent said:

80tomato said:

I think he was interested in the talented Esperanza Spalding before Andy...romance? i don't know

Some gals he "tried", but they politely declined...But I'll bet more who accepted his advances than there were those who declined his advances.

And I truly believe he made advances on damn near all of them in one way or another, even if it was simply a reflex and he didn't expect to score.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained...it was in his DNA.

And, I'm willing to bet that most of those who say they declined didn't really decline. I'm just saying...

OldFriends4Sale said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I should have been more specific. I was actually referring to "bushy-" or "nappy-" haired women.

Cat's hair is bushy and nappy?

Cat's hair, as worn during the SOTT and Lovesexy tours, was technically not what Prince referred to as "e-o-lectric hair," but it was a curly afro. That's what I mean. They all have beautiful hair, but I think Susan has a different texture altogether.

FlyOnTheWall said:

LBrent said:

Some gals he "tried", but they politely declined...But I'll bet more who accepted his advances than there were those who declined his advances.

And I truly believe he made advances on damn near all of them in one way or another, even if it was simply a reflex and he didn't expect to score.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained...it was in his DNA.

And, I'm willing to bet that most of those who say they declined didn't really decline. I'm just saying...

That says a something not so good about women than.

But people see Prince, women who have certain standards, who can see men for what it is and not go there, more at stake. Also Prince wasn't the Prince of 1985 in the 2000s, his touch wasn't golden like then

iwantcandy said:

MMJas said:

Hahaha!

I'm not the best person to explain it, cause I'm not sure myself, just some girl on twitter that claims that she was Prince's girlfriend and called him Penguin intimately. A few days after Prince dies she was all over twitter talking about how heartbroken she was and how much she really really loved chocolate muffins or something like that. Sounded totally legit.

The first thing she tweeted after she saw on the news that Prince died (not a phone call from his inner circle like you'd expect for someone who was supposedly dating him) was a message to a film production company that they were dating. A film production company.

Then she posted what she claimed were DMs from him, saying things like he missed her already (which, because of certain details of their appearance, many deemed fake) and started sharing details of their "dates," like going to Dairy Queen, how he would call her in the middle of the night and pick her up at her house (even though she lives 3-1/2 hours from PP), that he had her at a party at PP and she sat in a special purple chair in a place of honor. She sent a tweet to Kirk asking if she could go to the first private memorial at PP. Later in the week (I want to say maybe 5 days after Prince's death) she did a photo shoot where she pranced around a field with a bunch of purple balloons, which is kinda odd for someone claiming this person who died less than a week before was the love of her life. She claimed to go to the tribute concert, but no one she was planning on meeting up with saw her there. She has since deleted a lot of this stuff.

There is only one person I've found who has ever confirmed a sighting of her at PP, and it seems to be at a dance party last January that was open to the public (or ticketholders, at least). No one else has ever confirmed a sighting of her at PP or anywhere near Prince, and she refuses to provide any substantial proof of their relationship. She claims to not have any photos because they were too busy living in the moment.

Now, obviously the issue with this is that you can't prove a negative. The only person who can definitively say whether or not they were dating is no longer on this earth. The only other person who can lend any credence to her story is Kirk, because she has told people in DMs that Kirk knew about the "relationship." But, you know, Kirk and his vault LOL

I know it sounds like I'm a bit obsessed with penguin girl, and maybe I am, but I find the whole situation fascinating from a sociological viewpoint. (Not from a "I gotta know all of Prince's personal business" viewpoint.) What if she was dating him - what made people have such a visceral reaction against her? If she wasn't (far more probable), why did she start the charade and why is she continuing when the facts are heavily stacked against her? I could psychoanalyze that forever - she also claims to have been abused by pretty much every male figure of importance in her life, including her bio father, her first stepfather, her stepbrother, her first boyfriend (who she also claims turned out to be a child rapist). She's 27 and has never lived on her own, lives with her mother and stepfather and siblings, just recently got her drivers license (and she lives in Iowa, not someplace like NYC where you don't need it), and seems to be much younger than her age in many ways - but if you cross her, she goes berserk. She tried to doxx someone last week.

As a writer I'm always looking for interesting people and situations to turn into characters, and she definitely fits the bill!

Edited for spelling

[Edited 4/18/17 10:02am]

She's a trip. I follow her on Twitter, and I can't quite figure her out. I believe that SHE believes she was in a relationship with Prince. But I think it's all in her head. Perhaps she had some small interaction with him in January, and she took that and ran with it. She seems very sweet, but very naive and almost narcisisstic. I realize that at its heart, social media is all about you and your desire for everyone to know what you are doing and thinking, but she takes it to a whole new level. There has to be some sort of personality disorder there.

FlyOnTheWall said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Cat's hair is bushy and nappy?

Cat's hair, as worn during the SOTT and Lovesexy tours, was technically not what Prince referred to as "e-o-lectric hair," but it was a curly afro. That's what I mean. They all have beautiful hair, but I think Susan has a different texture altogether.

cool

“Her voice sounds analog to me,” Prince observed, sitting on a bench near the studio’s door dressed in a white stretchy pantsuit emblazoned with his own face and a pair of light-up sneakers. He casually suggested that his guests start asking Hill some questions (“Better ask now, because she’s about to become a superstar,” he promised), and coaxed the quiet artist to talk about her music and her backstory.

OldFriends4Sale said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Cat's hair, as worn during the SOTT and Lovesexy tours, was technically not what Prince referred to as "e-o-lectric hair," but it was a curly afro. That's what I mean. They all have beautiful hair, but I think Susan has a different texture altogether.

cool

This is Cat's hairstyle to which I was referring.

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you know, I hold it against NO woman if she grabbed an opportunity that presented itself No matter what happened after that, you'd have a great story to tell for the rest of your life!

OldFriends4Sale said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

And, I'm willing to bet that most of those who say they declined didn't really decline. I'm just saying...

That says a something not so good about women than.

But people see Prince, women who have certain standards, who can see men for what it is and not go there, more at stake. Also Prince wasn't the Prince of 1985 in the 2000s, his touch wasn't golden like then

soo I wonder if the lyrics left in Studio B for "stay Cool" were about Judith Hill and their relationship.?? just sayin..

clairew1975 said:

Why would Judith lie to an investigating police officer? The unsealed documents state they found emails. She says she was romantically involved with him. The article is reporting on official documents, they haven't made it up. I feel so sorry for her.

The search warrants never stated the police verified her romantic relationship through emails.

The search warrants were requested in order to gain access to P's emails.

Anywhoo, I believe Judith thought she was Ps GF but I dont think P thought he was her BF.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

MMJas said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I still don't understand how your alleged boyfriend ODs and you leave him to go back to California.

1Sasha said:

I still don't understand how your alleged boyfriend ODs and you leave him to go back to California.

1Sasha said:

I still don't understand how your alleged boyfriend ODs and you leave him to go back to California.

I think he sent her back, and that other guard Romeo too, I think he told Romeo to take some time off.

I agree -- I take her at her word with her definition of their relationship. I can't imagine any motivation to lie to an investigator about that.

clairew1975 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The search warrants never stated the police verified her romantic relationship through emails.

The search warrants were requested in order to gain access to P's emails.

Anywhoo, I believe Judith thought she was Ps GF but I dont think P thought he was her BF.

No, I wasn't implying that emails were found verifying that. Judith said it directly to the investigating officer asking her questions. During the investigation an active email address was found on his laptop. It was verified as being used by Prince and Judith confirmed she used that address to communicate with him. So one can assume there will be emails between them. Again, why would she lie to an investigating police officer? To assume Judith thought their relationship was more than it was is a little insulting. She's an adult, I think she'd know the difference and to use the term "romantically involved" certainly suggests so. Just my opinion though.

PennyPurple said:

Maybe she was planning on coming back. I don't understand how she could have left though. It wasn't just Prince's typical odd behavior..it was an OD right in front ofher face. Maybe, she thought he was in good hands with Kirk and had to fulfill professional obligations and was planning on returning.

Just it was definitely a mistake at best, callous at worst.

Vashtix said:

PennyPurple said:

I think he sent her back, and that other guard Romeo too, I think he told Romeo to take some time off.

Yes He wanted them gone. Cannot blame her for that.

clairew1975 said:

MMJas said:

Hahaha!

I'm not the best person to explain it, cause I'm not sure myself, just some girl on twitter that claims that she was Prince's girlfriend and called him Penguin intimately. A few days after Prince dies she was all over twitter talking about how heartbroken she was and how much she really really loved chocolate muffins or something like that. Sounded totally legit.

Eurgh, @jeannettelovesu aka Jeannette Gutierrez is completely bonkers! That girl tweets daily acting like his grieving widow. Claims he DM her on Twitter and then he picked her up for Dairy Queen trips and Movie nights. They were in love and he discussed his future plans with her. She was at PP in Jan 2016 and Prince checked up on her ALL night apparently. But no one else remembers seeing that?!? Only Kirk knew about them apparently? She says she had access to Prince's private quarters and wandered around PP. If that's true then why hasn't the DEA contacted her to ask her some questions? Because she's a delusional penguin loving crazy person.

I like when she thanks the "fans" out there for loving and supporting Prince and says stuff like "He did it all for all of YOU!" as if she's up on a stage accepting awards and accolades on his behalf. Re: what she said about attending that PP party in Jan 2016 - she posted a pic of the dress she claims to have worn and then quickly deleted the pic, but I remember thinking it was a very memorable gown (yes, it was definitely more GOWN than just a 'dress') and SOMEONE would've recalled seeing a woman at Paisley that night wearing such a GOWN. lol i think thats why she removed the pic but who knows.