If your're not interested in answering the question OFFS, then I'll take a shot:

1. Strange Relationship 1982 demo Not circulating. Who knows?

2. Strange Relationshp/International Lover/Do Me Baby/Wednesay Prince on piano playing with lyrics Basically the entire song. All the chords, the riffs, the changes. Most of the lyrics.

3. Strange Relationship @ 45:13min [Billy's Sunglasses] 51:08min 1984 band rehearsal -rock expression Prince plays the chords to a drum beat. Has to call out EACH AND EVERY chord change to the band. They obviously don't know the song. Lisa plays some synth chords once she's learned the song. Wendy doesn't seem to play at all (in fact she's reprimanded. For playing with a baseball bat?)

4a. Strange Relationship 1985 4.7.1985 Purple Rain tour soundcheck The band has (almost) learned the song. Prince still has to call out the brigde. Prince leads the band from his electric piano. Wendy doesn't make any major mistakes playing along (You go Wendy!)

4b. Strange Relationship 1985 Not sure what that refers to? The interview? Prince says a lot of things. He wanted to make W&L stars. Doesn't mean anything really.

5a. Strange Relationship 1986 -Dream Factory W&L records some instrumentation for SR. We can have different opinions about the merit of their contribution. I think it sucks. They add some hippyish instrumentation (sitar and percussion) that sounds as if they're stuck in the sound of Around The World in a Day. Late to the party. Totally inappropriateto the lyrics.

5b. Strange Relationship 1986 -Camille. Prince is moving forward.Always reaching out for something new. He removes (most of) W&L's instrumentation.

5c. Eric Leads adds a sax part, but Prince removes it Not circulating. Did not end up on the album.

6. Strange Relationship 1987 -Sign o the Time official release

So what does this say about "Wendy & Lisa's contrabution as well as the full bands input in sessions prior to the addition of the sitar, flute, congas etc isn't the first level of contrabution." which according to you "started in 1983."?

It clearly shows that W is taking to much credit. And this is the song that she has the most right to take credit for on SOTT as they she actually worked on the song at one point. But now she's taking credit for "a lot of stuff" on SOTT. Whatever that means. It's time to call her bluff.

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paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

wrong, it shows a progression of the song. Wendy & Lisa's contrabution as well as the full bands input in sessions prior to the addition of the sitar, flute, congas etc isn't the first level of contrabution. It started in 1983.

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Musically the DF version is much more rich and keeps my attention in the long run.

What do you think the band's input was judging from the records and boots you mentioned?

It's a trap.

Do they really care about your personal opinion and thoughts, or are they interested in pushing their agenda that Prince lived in a creative vacuum without any influence or involvement of other people? TUNE IN TO FIND OUT!

We see you girl!

paulludvig said:

she's not wrong.

Yep.

GuyBros said:

GuyBros said:

she never said this stuff when he was alive.

luvsexy4all said:

she never said this stuff when he was alive.

what stuff?

Don't be so sure if you don't have the interviews

What stuff?

luvsexy4all said:

she never said this stuff when he was alive.

Always trying to instigate and provoke.

paulludvig said:

GuyBros said:

It's a trap.

Do they really care about your personal opinion and thoughts, or are they interested in pushing their agenda that Prince lived in a creative vacuum without any influence or involvement of other people? TUNE IN TO FIND OUT!

We see you girl!

Strawman much? 😀

the purpose of the 'timeline' was to show the involvement of the band(members)

Not know the full story of what happened with any song, we can never fully know.
How many people to this day still say "Prince did everything" on the Time albums?

Yet we know that is just not true.
What I'm talking about is the environment that helped the energy of art creation.

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Up to this point people not knowing how Raspberry Beret came about, did not know that tidbit Prince talked about on the Piano & Mic tour.

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Jesse Johnson and other Time members have talked about studio rehearsals where they did a lot of music, and Prince as well sat in on these rehearsals, and of course everything was recorded/videoed.
From Morris Day to Lisa to Andre Cymone to Brown Mark to Jesse Johnson to Dez Dickerson, they have all talked about how this happened whether it was Prince and his specific band or a protege band and then Prince comes back a day or two later with a song or music to a song and they hear something they played but it isn't clear if it is them or if Prince reproduced something they did.

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How many people say 'Kiss' is all Prince, not know the full story of how the completed released version came to be? If it wasn't for David Z, BrownMark and Mazarati taking that demo and working on it.

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The idea that Prince was just in the studio all by himself and came up with everything is bogus. Jamie Starr is a theif. And Prince is a genius that knew for a period how to foster an environment and creative community that made 1981-1987 GOLDEN. And there is reason it never happened again.

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

what stuff?

Don't be so sure if you don't have the interviews

What stuff?

A lot of stuff [Edited 5/21/17 10:12am]

well u just troll Wendy so lol

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I mean U know the whole Irresistable Bitch thing

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and U continually pushing she said she wrote Purple Rain, have you watched the PR video doc to see what she really said as other orgmembers have pointed out the truth yet?

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

well u just troll Wendy so lol

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I mean U know the whole Irresistable Bitch thing

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and U continually pushing she said she wrote Purple Rain, have you watched the PR video doc to see what she really said as other orgmembers have pointed out the truth yet?

That was on another thread. Let's talk about your timeline and what it shows about the genesis of SR

I already replied to it, but that other stuff is this thread too, and your replied to the 'what stuff' with 'a lot of stuff.

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I don't know how much more we can go into until we hear more. The thread isn't about Strange Relationship specifically

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Case in point all she/they are saying is that SOTT music was Dream Factory music a project that they were a part of... Susannah is on it Play In the Sunshine Ballade of Dorothy Parker Starfish & Coffee, Forever In My Life was directly about her etc etc

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We'll know more as time goes on.

paulludvig said:

In a recent interview Wendy is asked what songs the Revolution will play on their upcoming tour. Her answer: "We will perform the catalog that belongs to our band. Everything from “I Would Die 4 U” to “Sign ‘O’ the Times.”" So now she implies that she had a hand in writing SOTT. [Edited 4/8/17 7:20am]

can U repost the link and full quote where U got this from?

OldFriends4Sale said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

In a recent interview Wendy is asked what songs the Revolution will play on their upcoming tour. Her answer: "We will perform the catalog that belongs to our band. Everything from “I Would Die 4 U” to “Sign ‘O’ the Times.”" So now she implies that she had a hand in writing SOTT. [Edited 4/8/17 7:20am]

can U repost the link and full quote where U got this from?

I'll look for it.

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said: That was on another thread. Let's talk about your timeline and what it shows about the genesis of SR

I already replied to it, but that other stuff is this thread too, and your replied to the 'what stuff' with 'a lot of stuff.

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I don't know how much more we can go into until we hear more. The thread isn't about Strange Relationship specifically

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Case in point all she/they are saying is that SOTT music was Dream Factory music a project that they were a part of... Susannah is on it Play In the Sunshine Ballade of Dorothy Parker Starfish & Coffee, Forever In My Life was directly about her etc etc

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We'll know more as time goes on.

And as Wendy has demonstrated "a lot of stuff" can mean everything and nothing.

purplerabbithole said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

the purpose of the 'timeline' was to show the involvement of the band(members)

Not know the full story of what happened with any song, we can never fully know.
How many people to this day still say "Prince did everything" on the Time albums?

so Prince is not a musical genius? But rather everyone else around him is the musical geniuses and he is PT Barnum? he was never playing during thoses sessions?Just listening and stealing? Never wrote a good song again? I get that hyperbole is an issue where P is concerned but it sounds now that you doubt he ever did anything on his own.

And the funny thing is that all the circulating rehearsals show that Prince was in full control directing the band. He's the one with all the ideas. The band is playing along to the best of their ability.

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said: That was on another thread. Let's talk about your timeline and what it shows about the genesis of SR

I already replied to it, but that other stuff is this thread too, and your replied to the 'what stuff' with 'a lot of stuff.

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I don't know how much more we can go into until we hear more. The thread isn't about Strange Relationship specifically

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Case in point all she/they are saying is that SOTT music was Dream Factory music a project that they were a part of... Susannah is on it Play In the Sunshine Ballade of Dorothy Parker Starfish & Coffee, Forever In My Life was directly about her etc etc

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We'll know more as time goes on.

She is clearly saying a lot more. She's saying, or at least suggesting, that they did "a lot of stuff" that ended up on the album. I don't think she can back up that claim.

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I already replied to it, but that other stuff is this thread too, and your replied to the 'what stuff' with 'a lot of stuff.

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I don't know how much more we can go into until we hear more. The thread isn't about Strange Relationship specifically

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Case in point all she/they are saying is that SOTT music was Dream Factory music a project that they were a part of... Susannah is on it Play In the Sunshine Ballade of Dorothy Parker Starfish & Coffee, Forever In My Life was directly about her etc etc

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We'll know more as time goes on.

She is clearly saying a lot more. She's saying, or at least suggesting, that they did "a lot of stuff" that ended up on the album. I don't think she can back up that claim.

of course you don't think so. U know your opinion in connection to Wendy is tilted.

You will challenge any information that she presents, not matter what.

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The fact is she did work on Strange Relationship. And is still on the SOTT released version and credited.

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Again, until we hear more, any further back in forth is a moot action.

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I already replied to it, but that other stuff is this thread too, and your replied to the 'what stuff' with 'a lot of stuff.

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I don't know how much more we can go into until we hear more. The thread isn't about Strange Relationship specifically

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Case in point all she/they are saying is that SOTT music was Dream Factory music a project that they were a part of... Susannah is on it Play In the Sunshine Ballade of Dorothy Parker Starfish & Coffee, Forever In My Life was directly about her etc etc

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We'll know more as time goes on.

And as Wendy has demonstrated "a lot of stuff" can mean everything and nothing.

Did Wendy say she wrote Purple Rain?

Org member pointed out where you are getting that idea from?

Did u get the source of it and listen to 'get the facts' or do you still choose to hold to something based on tilted opinions so you can further throw poo at Wendy anytime she does or says something?

purplerabbithole said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

the purpose of the 'timeline' was to show the involvement of the band(members)

Not know the full story of what happened with any song, we can never fully know.
How many people to this day still say "Prince did everything" on the Time albums?

Yet we know that is just not true.
What I'm talking about is the environment that helped the energy of art creation.

.

Up to this point people not knowing how Raspberry Beret came about, did not know that tidbit Prince talked about on the Piano & Mic tour.

.

Jesse Johnson and other Time members have talked about studio rehearsals where they did a lot of music, and Prince as well sat in on these rehearsals, and of course everything was recorded/videoed.
From Morris Day to Lisa to Andre Cymone to Brown Mark to Jesse Johnson to Dez Dickerson, they have all talked about how this happened whether it was Prince and his specific band or a protege band and then Prince comes back a day or two later with a song or music to a song and they hear something they played but it isn't clear if it is them or if Prince reproduced something they did.

.

How many people say 'Kiss' is all Prince, not know the full story of how the completed released version came to be? If it wasn't for David Z, BrownMark and Mazarati taking that demo and working on it.

.

The idea that Prince was just in the studio all by himself and came up with everything is bogus. Jamie Starr is a theif. And Prince is a genius that knew for a period how to foster an environment and creative community that made 1981-1987 GOLDEN. And there is reason it never happened again.

so Prince is not a musical genius? But rather everyone else around him is the musical geniuses and he is PT Barnum? he was never playing during thoses sessions?Just listening and stealing? Never wrote a good song again? I get that hyperbole is an issue where P is concerned but it sounds now that you doubt he ever did anything on his own.

Are you just trying to argue for arguement sake or stanning for Prince?

OF4S said in post #248 'And Prince is a genius'

Purplerabbithole in post #254 asks 'so Prince is not a musical genius?'

your whole reply is not being rational.

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

can U repost the link and full quote where U got this from?

I'll look for it.

U should have posted it to begin with

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

She is clearly saying a lot more. She's saying, or at least suggesting, that they did "a lot of stuff" that ended up on the album. I don't think she can back up that claim.

of course you don't think so. U know your opinion in connection to Wendy is tilted.

You will challenge any information that she presents, not matter what.

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The fact is she did work on Strange Relationship. And is still on the SOTT released version and credited.

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Again, until we hear more, any further back in forth is a moot action.

Doing work on SR isn't "a lot of stuff", especially since the timeline you presented shows that even her contribution to that song was rather minimal.

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

of course you don't think so. U know your opinion in connection to Wendy is tilted.

You will challenge any information that she presents, not matter what.

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The fact is she did work on Strange Relationship. And is still on the SOTT released version and credited.

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Again, until we hear more, any further back in forth is a moot action.

Doing work on SR isn't "a lot of stuff", especially since the timeline you presented shows that even her contribution to that song was rather minimal.

Paul, come on. You are really twisting this.

U R stil only going by what info I have in my playlist and an quote from Prince in a magazine. We don't know the details. She still is on it and you are not lol

2 these walls I talk
Tellin' 'em what I wasn't strong enough 2 say
2 these walls I talk
Tellin' 'em how I cried the day U went away

How did we ever lose communication?
How did we ever lose each other's sound?
Baby, if U wanna, we can fix the situation
Maybe we can stop the rain from coming down

from Prince dedicated 2 Wendy Melvoin (Lisa Coleman & Susannah Melvoin)

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

And as Wendy has demonstrated "a lot of stuff" can mean everything and nothing.

Did Wendy say she wrote Purple Rain?

Org member pointed out where you are getting that idea from?

Did u get the source of it and listen to 'get the facts' or do you still choose to hold to something based on tilted opinions so you can further throw poo at Wendy anytime she does or says something?

She said that she did more work on PR than on Computer Blue and on CB she got a writing credit. What do you read from that? In another interview the jounalist opinioned that Around the World in a Day (the album) was sonically better (or better produced) than his previous records. Wendy's reply: "Yeah. Because that was our record". And know she takes credit for finishing large (albeit unspecified) chunks of SOTT while Prince was "busy doing a million things".

She needs to start backing up her claims with spesifics and facts.

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Did Wendy say she wrote Purple Rain?

Org member pointed out where you are getting that idea from?

Did u get the source of it and listen to 'get the facts' or do you still choose to hold to something based on tilted opinions so you can further throw poo at Wendy anytime she does or says something?

She said that she did more work on PR than on Computer Blue and on CB she got a writing credit. What do you read from that? In another interview the jounalist opinioned that Around the World in a Day (the album) was sonically better (or better produced) than his previous records. Wendy's reply: "Yeah. Because that was our record". And know she takes credit for finishing large (albeit unspecified) chunks of SOTT while Prince was "busy doing a million things".

She needs to start backing up her claims with spesifics and facts.

U SAID Wendy said she wrote the song

not going through this over and over with u on this

U hear what you want, u say your just want FACTs but when people point out where/what she said, you say and continue to push 'Wendy said she wrote purple rain'

other people in the camp from Susan Rogers Steve Fargnoli Alan Leeds etc have said Prince had them working on a lot of stuff and Prince has said it too

back up yours and post the info/link that started this whole thread

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplerabbithole said:

OldFriends4Sale said: so Prince is not a musical genius? But rather everyone else around him is the musical geniuses and he is PT Barnum? he was never playing during thoses sessions?Just listening and stealing? Never wrote a good song again? I get that hyperbole is an issue where P is concerned but it sounds now that you doubt he ever did anything on his own.

Are you just trying to argue for arguement sake or stanning for Prince?

OF4S said in post #248 'And Prince is a genius'

Purplerabbithole in post #254 asks 'so Prince is not a musical genius?'

your whole reply is not being rational.

You're the one stanning for Wendy, even going as far as attacking peole who disagree with you. Same with guybros and a couple of others.

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Are you just trying to argue for arguement sake or stanning for Prince?

OF4S said in post #248 'And Prince is a genius'

Purplerabbithole in post #254 asks 'so Prince is not a musical genius?'

your whole reply is not being rational.

You're the one stanning for Wendy, even going as far as attacking peole who disagree with you. Same with guybros and a couple of others.

No, understand what stanning is bud.

I'm not irrational about it. you are.

* People now claim that W&L probably went uncredited on many of the songs on SOTT without any evidence whatsoever. Wendy knows how this works. This is how she usually operates.

* It's like he's pushing W away!

* At one point she also said she wrote Purple Rain.

You have a trail of it, all over the org.

I asked in reply #37 if you would provide the link where you got this from 9pages later 268 posts later U still have not.

Come back my son and rule love Prince and the Revolution

Wendy Lisa Sheila Cat Susannah Rhonda Marva