LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

CatB said:

Um, what?

Laugh now

yeah 'cuz that was funny as hell.

Hmmm. Then could it be the case that these girls are not really friends, they just have a common goal?

CatB said:

Ottensen said:

I'm in the process of reading the book. Since this is a Mani thread I did get to the part where MG says MT apologized to her so there's that. Maybe there's more on that further on. Actually it's a fairly decent read. I'm confused about the upset over MGs age, it's not like it was some big unknown "the crowned princess of Cairo " and all, she definitely wasn't your typical HS 16 yo. She's telling her story. She mentioned the burning of her stuff but nothing specific about the urn. But I'm not done yet.

LBrent said:

🤤🤤🤤🤤 uuhhh...yuk

I hope people aren't that petting cruel to try to keep them

anangellooksdown said:

Hmmm. Then could it be the case that these girls are not really friends, they just have a common goal? CatB said:

I just had a longer convo with Jill and we also spoke about Mayte. Don't expect to see the two of them in the same room, or taking pics like this together.

Yes...

everyone wants to Bathe in His Light...

Lovejunky said:

Yes they do, LJ.
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CatB said:

Reading your oh so sly response, one can't help but tie the selected bold text to the "Um, what?" and come up with your thoughts on the matter. Oh well, I guess those "intentions" worked then, hmmmm? After all, she did get to marry her "Prince" Charming.

LBRENT: Your statement in a reply to Superfan1984 a few posts back (From everything I've learned thus far about Manuela, she designed herself to be exactly what would appeal to P in his most emotionally fragile moment and that was her being very calculating and manipulative) speaks to Manuela's character. I just hope that some day she is not consoling and wiping the tears out of one of her adult daughter's eyes because her beloved husband is cheating on her. Sometimes the sins of the parents are visited upon the children.

NotACleverName said:

CatB said:

Um, what?

Reading your oh so sly response, one can't help but tie the selected bold text to the "Um, what?" and come up with your thoughts on the matter. Oh well, I guess those "intentions" worked then, hmmmm? After all, she did get to marry her "Prince" Charming. LBRENT: Your statement in a reply to Superfan1984 a few posts back (From everything I've learned thus far about Manuela, she designed herself to be exactly what would appeal to P in his most emotionally fragile moment and that was her being very calculating and manipulative) speaks to Manuela's character. I just hope that some day she is not consoling and wiping the tears out of one of her adult daughter's eyes because her beloved husband is cheating on her. Sometimes the sins of the parents are visited upon the children.

As disappointed as I can be and agree with your view of M2, I think children should be kept out of this even when we do mean well.

NotACleverName said:

CatB said:

Um, what?

Reading your oh so sly response, one can't help but tie the selected bold text to the "Um, what?" and come up with your thoughts on the matter. Oh well, I guess those "intentions" worked then, hmmmm? After all, she did get to marry her "Prince" Charming. LBRENT: Your statement in a reply to Superfan1984 a few posts back (From everything I've learned thus far about Manuela, she designed herself to be exactly what would appeal to P in his most emotionally fragile moment and that was her being very calculating and manipulative) speaks to Manuela's character. I just hope that some day she is not consoling and wiping the tears out of one of her adult daughter's eyes because her beloved husband is cheating on her. Sometimes the sins of the parents are visited upon the children.

Huh?

Am I in trouble???

What did I miss?????

malbena said:

You're kidding, right? Of all the awful, mean spirited things that have been said on the org, THIS is what has offended you? A comment as benign as that?!

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NotACleverName said:

malbena said:

As disappointed as I can be and agree with your view of M2, I think children should be kept out of this even when we do mean well.

You're kidding, right? Of all the awful, mean spirited things that have been said on the org, THIS is what has offended you? A comment as benign as that?!

[Edited 4/10/17 13:12pm]

I agree with your stand. But of all the awful said in here, dragging children into this is the worst.

malbena said:

NotACleverName said:

malbena said: You're kidding, right? Of all the awful, mean spirited things that have been said on the org, THIS is what has offended you? A comment as benign as that?!

[Edited 4/10/17 13:12pm]

I agree with your stand. But of all the awful said in here, dragging children into this is the worst.

I gotta be honest, I thought of M2 and "sins of the parents being passed down", too...I just didn't say it...

Superfan1984 said:

Actually, Mayte is the only woman who came in unaware, without any intentions other than her bellydancing career. She was not a superfan, not a stalker, didn't pretend to believe whatever Larry was spouting about torture stakes and JW doctrine, their love came naturally and truthfully and so I do believe she was "THE ONE," ---- although he seemed to genuinely love Manuela, there was manipulation going on.

Again, can you verify this? Do you know all other women who were in his life? You clearly don't.

malbena said:

Well, the sad reality is that a 2016 study revealed that 41% of marriages where one or both spouses admit to infidelity proves that, indeed, this is a very real problem.

Source: http://www.statisticbrain...tatistics/

LBrent said:

malbena said:

I agree with your stand. But of all the awful said in here, dragging children into this is the worst.

I gotta be honest, I thought of M2 and "sins of the parents being passed down", too...I just didn't say it...

I did too.

CatB said:

Superfan1984 said:

Actually, Mayte is the only woman who came in unaware, without any intentions other than her bellydancing career.

Um, what?

Exactly. LOL

CatB said:

Superfan1984 said:

Actually, Mayte is the only woman who came in unaware, without any intentions other than her bellydancing career. She was not a superfan, not a stalker, didn't pretend to believe whatever Larry was spouting about torture stakes and JW doctrine, their love came naturally and truthfully and so I do believe she was "THE ONE," ---- although he seemed to genuinely love Manuela, there was manipulation going on.

Again, can you verify this? Do you know all other women who were in his life? You clearly don't.

You're right. I didn't word this right- I meant between the two wives.

Superfan1984 said:

CatB said:

Again, can you verify this? Do you know all other women who were in his life? You clearly don't.

You're right. I didn't word this right- I meant between the two wives.

I doubt it. Why spend your entire life savings holding on to a job that's not paying you anything, missing other lucrative opportunities unless you have an objective?

Maybe her objection is that she wanted to snatch a man she respected as an artist and had affection for. But I doubt any parent would allow her to let down lucrative opportunties (or time with her family) for just a school girl crush.

That's my problem with Mayte's depiction of herself...but its not just with her. No one will ever just come out and say...I did have affection for this dude but I also used him for connections and career advancement.

I think she wants everyone to not think of her as a user, but turning herself into a martry only makes him look worse. I wonder if maybe he was testing her loyalty/friendship by not just handling her the keys to the kingdom right away. Or maybe he was just oblivious to practical concerns. But if she never asked him to pay for shipment of a tape or whatever, then what reason in a story meant to honor him would there be to bring it up.

morningsong said:

Superfan1984 said:

You're right. I didn't word this right- I meant between the two wives.

I doubt it. Why spend your entire life savings holding on to a job that's not paying you anything, missing other lucrative opportunities unless you have an objective?

I am surprised how much weight is given to her belly dancing career. That is a very niche market at best. Does anyone know a professional belly dancer, let alone a famous belly dancer? If you google famous belly dancers, you do get a small list, most look like they were from the 1950's, but in any case, her name is not included. She says her dad video tapes all of her performances, and by this time she has mentioned over and over and over how successful she is, but when prince asks her for a tape she gives him a high school talent contest and something form a restaurant, just does not make sense that those would be your shinning successes if you are so at the top of your game. And why would she want to, and why would her parents let her dance in restaurants where men were sticking their hands inside her clothes? I just don't get it. I remember meeting a really nice man a few years ago who was so happy and proud his daughter got a bowling scholarship to the local community collage, it kind of reminds me of that.

purplerabbithole said:

That's the point I'm saying the whole, everything I did was out of purity and innocence, spiel is telling in itself. Nobody spends their last dime holding a job unless they have serious expectations and if you have serious expectations you're not sitting around innocently letting chips fall where they may, there was active pursuit and competitiveness. Nothing wrong with it but the preception being spun is disingenuous.

Exactly. She might not be lying about anything where Prince is concerned. BUt I still think she is probably holding back about herself. She comes from a unstable home life to some extent, she has stage parents, and she becomes a rock stars girlfriend/wife. Most humans living in those circumstances are going to have some self-interest and some diva-like moments. Its just human. It wouldn't mean she wasn't a good person if she admitted it. Women are never allowed to admit they have flaws though. Whenever we do, we let down other women and fuel the fire for misogynists. This depiction of saintly gullable female perfection is annoying and dishonest and misguided feminism. Women should be respected even if they are flawed, ambitious, and occasionally self-indulgent--that is true feminism..

morningsong said:

purplerabbithole said:

Maybe her objection is that she wanted to snatch a man she respected as an artist and had affection for. But I doubt any parent would allow her to let down lucrative opportunties (or time with her family) for just a school girl crush.

That's my problem with Mayte's depiction of herself...but its not just with her. No one will ever just come out and say...I did have affection for this dude but I also used him for connections and career advancement.

I think she wants everyone to not think of her as a user, but turning herself into a martry only makes him look worse. I wonder if maybe he was testing her loyalty/friendship by not just handling her the keys to the kingdom right away. Or maybe he was just oblivious to practical concerns. But if she never asked him to pay for shipment of a tape or whatever, then what reason in a story meant to honor him would there be to bring it up.

That's the point I'm saying the whole, everything I did was out of purity and innocence, spiel is telling in itself. Nobody spends their last dime holding a job unless they have serious expectations and if you have serious expectations you're not sitting around innocently letting chips fall where they may, there was active pursuit and competitiveness. Nothing wrong with it but the preception being spun is disingenuous.

morningsong said:

She acknowledges that she's missing out lucrative offers back home by staying in Minnesota & her mom tells her to come home but she likes him & talks to him about it & stays.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Those were her gigs: restaurants & parties, etc. You have to remember she wasn't living in the states. It was a totally different thing.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Different time, different culture, different geographical region. You're looking at the situation from an American paradigm during a pre -digitized all access information era. I know plenty of American expats who have come to Europe and had extraordinarily lucrative careers in all manner of performing arts, but unless you can read the periodicals and trades in the languages where these people have worked, you're not going to find a plethora of press about them, and especially pre- Internet, and most certainly not gig information regarding the parties, galas or private corporate events they book , which do in fact pay a pretty penny and are a large part of a performing artist income. The gala and corporate party circuit are choice income streams for performers after that of being an actual touring artist with mainstream commercial success. The money is good and the working conditions are nice.
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babynoz said:

Well damn, I might as well admit it...

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

I am surprised how much weight is given to her belly dancing career. That is a very niche market at best. Does anyone know a professional belly dancer, let alone a famous belly dancer? If you google famous belly dancers, you do get a small list, most look like they were from the 1950's, but in any case, her name is not included. She says her dad video tapes all of her performances, and by this time she has mentioned over and over and over how successful she is, but when prince asks her for a tape she gives him a high school talent contest and something form a restaurant, just does not make sense that those would be your shinning successes if you are so at the top of your game. And why would she want to, and why would her parents let her dance in restaurants where men were sticking their hands inside her clothes? I just don't get it. I remember meeting a really nice man a few years ago who was so happy and proud his daughter got a bowling scholarship to the local community collage, it kind of reminds me of that.

Oh my God. That is so cute!

PrplGem said:

Every last dime of hard earned $100,000 because you like somebody? To do that you're either very stupid or about business. I don't believe she was ever stupid.

purplerabbithole said:

Her entire life is painted that way in the book and beyond.
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morningsong said:

PrplGem said:

She acknowledges that she's missing out lucrative offers back home by staying in Minnesota & her mom tells her to come home but she likes him & talks to him about it & stays.

Every last dime of hard earned $100,000 because you like somebody? To do that you're either very stupid or about business. I don't believe she was ever stupid.

Morningsong, to you comment ‘to do that you’re either very stupid or all about business’ The third option is emotion.

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How many times have we all of heard storis of a smart, successfull, educated, wealthy woman who falls for a guy only to be taken to the cleaners?

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So, yeah, she could have just stayed and spent her own money because she just couldn’t bring herself to leave him. Love makes people blind and they sometimes do things that is not in their own best interest.