malbena said:

jayseajay said:

Okay, this is what I've got:

Dear Jill,

We know it’s a little weird to write such personal letters to strangers, but we wanted to reach out to you to say thank you for your words and let you know how moved many of us at the org were by them. Thank you for telling the truth, because the silence and the insistence that everything was fine has been hard to process, when now with hindsight it is so clear that everything was not fine at all. It wasn’t even just the weight, but, exactly as you say, his chi was really off, and for someone with energy usually as clear and powerful as his, you can feel it – or its absence - even through the images. We cannot begin to imagine how devastated you feel, as we are all completely devastated, and our relationship to him was only through the work and what he meant to us. Please know that even though we didn’t know him, many of us still identify with your feeling of wanting to have saved him. What happened stimulates such a powerful protective urge, to somehow go back, and as you say, kidnap him and lock him up and watch over him until he was safe…even knowing he was probably the most difficult person in the world to kidnap and inflict care on if he didn’t want it. But we wanted to send you some love and say we hope you can be kind to yourself. It was not you that dropped the ball, and as hard as it is, it was his decision to be surrounded by people who were not wise or strong enough to see what was wrong and do something about it until it was too late. He ran so hard, and for most of his life it worked, until finally it so tragically didn’t, and maybe that is something nobody could have changed unless he decided to change it himself, and there seems to be no suggestion he ever considered anything other than always moving relentlessly forward at whatever cost to himself, his relationships or his body. He was always going to do whatever he thought he needed to do to keep going until he couldn’t any more. And even as it feels like such an unspeakably wrong ending for him, maybe there is nothing anyone could have done to change the general form of it, even though every fibre in us wants to be able to try, desperately, however impossible it is.

We hope this is not too presumptuous. We just wanted to reach out and let you know that the fam feel you, and we are grateful that someone who had known him for so long has told the truth and spoken to us and our deep concern about what happened to him. We know we didn’t know him, and at the same time, he poured so much of himself into that work, and the connection we had with him was meaningful, on both sides we believed, and it feels hard to be dismissed as people who simply didn’t know him at all, when if art is real, then the connection and the love is real as well.

You are in all our thoughts, and so much love to you on behalf of the fam. Thank you for speaking your truth.

Agree 100%

perfect!!!(

Purplealegria7 said:

jayseajay said:

I agree with most of what you say...but I don't take the fact that she badmouthed him while he didn't really in his favor in this instance. He had all the power in that relationship, not only the age-gap, but also his status and y'now, him being the sexiest mofo in the world, Matye was not playing on a level field in that relationship, at all...I'm sure it was more complicated than we know, but my impression has always been that he emotinally abandoned her after the babies died...and tbh, he shouldn't have left his decision of who to marry to the chance of who happened to get pregnant...and then layered the whole thing with some intensely romanticized narrative about being soulmates and some previous life in Egypt...that's fucked up. I totally get why he was like this, and I have an enormous amount of compassion for the way his childhood left him with certain intimacy issues...but that also doesn't change the fact that I think he really did a number on Mayte, and yes, he did become a better person...because basically he had an amazing heart and soul...but he still sometimes treated women in a way that makes my hair stand on end.

First of all there was no Facebook in the late 90's when the baby died and the split happened. And second of all he DID bad mouth her. After the baby died he went on his website and said that hair dye and nail polish caused birth defects!!!! He was roundabout BLAMING her for the baby's death, by posting things about medical studies but not calling her out by name. Imagine that ladies, your husband putting you through that right after the loss of your child from birth defects, all the while making you put on a show for the public about the truth. He made her act like nothing had happened and deny that the baby had passed away. I cannot imagine it. I saw the post on his website with my OWN eyes so I know that it is true. I loved and still love Prince with all of my heart, but I will NOT change the facts that I know to be true now that he has passed just because it might reflect badly on him. All of us old timers and even more his bandmates, friends, exes, and ex-wives know EXACTLY who he was with all his flaws and still love him anyway. Most of them were wronged big time by the man but still loved him enough to want to take care of him, and be there for him in spite of their pain caused my him. And the most wronged of all these people of all by a MILE was Mayte. She loved him so much she never got over him, and you could see the love she still had for him all over her face on that show she was on. She would have went back to him in a second if he had asked. And after all he did to her, that is LOVE! [Edited 8/25/16 12:09pm]

I have read a lot of different stories about Mayte, so it's hard to separate fact from truths. I didn't know about those things Prince said about Mayte. I'm sure losing his newborn Son was extremely painful for him and maybe he did not deal with it in the best way. It seemed like he was living in denial and couldn't accept his Son's death, which is very common (shock).

Personally, Mayte was much too young to get involved with Prince. I think being married so young to an Icon and then losing a baby and another miscarriage and then divorce -- that will mess you up, for sure. I wish Mayte the best.

Manuela filed for divorce. I don't think Prince wanted the divorce. I know that hurt him and he never really seemed the same again.

Many people say that Prince did not have the ability to "love". I disagree. I think he loved very deeply and very passionately. He loved Denise Matthews (Vanity) very much. He was very heartbroken over her death. Yes, Prince had issues from his childhood, like many of us, but that does not mean that we cannot fully love another. Actually, Children from broken homes (me, being one), can be the most loving and compassionate people you will ever know.

No, Prince was not perfect; he was just trying to find his way, like all of us.....we will love him, always. xoxo

[Edited 8/25/16 13:13pm]

jayseajay said:

Okay guys, thanks for feedback. I'll send message when I wake up tmrw. If you want to co-sign can you let me know what name to put by replying to this...

Thanks. Man, the last couple of days have been hard. I'm glad you're all here. Prince2Eternity

not sure if u sent yet....if not sign my name michelle Kilpatrick

Mumio said:

fanoftheman said:

Yeah I have to say.. I have though that too but I'm not sure Mayte really took anything did she? The house he brought for her in Spain or wherever was in his name and was sold in 2001 I think I read somewhere so compared to Mani who is worried what everyone will find out about their Divorce settment.. I dont think Mayte got much from their Divorce. But lets face it theyre all cashing in a bit now .. Sheila E is touring flat out, Mayte is selling out her Belly Dancing and The Revolution etc all doing stuff.. and we havent even had a proper Family Authorised Tribute yet..

All still looking to make a buck off him.

Yes. I try to love those he cared about - but I have to say I've been very disappointed at times since April at how most people who were closest to him have used his death to further their careers, self-interest, attention, etc. It hurts, actually.

And it's so obvious when it happens.

There have been a few who haven't. I've been consistently impressed with my favorite, Van Jones, and Bria, and some others. There are also people who talk about him publicly but you can tell it's purely out of love, like (I forget her name - the black, bald singer who was in the NPG). People like her are touring and making new music and being public about it, but in the way Prince would want them to.

It's all about motives.

But then there are those who you can just see are using his celebrity and this awful event to make it all about them.

The difference is clear if you look and have good instincts.

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

jayseajay said:

I suspect he did feel ambivalent, at least in part...but I think it went so deep, the power of that idealization, and he was so. damn. good. at. it. I can imagine its hard to give that up for something more prosaic like a real longterm partnership...but also, it was part of his defense mechanisms I think...because all the time you're in that inital rush, everyone has stars in their eyes and doves in their brain, and you don't really have to let ppl see the real person, who I suspect he still didn't really believe was loveable.

I feel like this is 100% spot on! But Prince always had his one true love and that was MUSIC-he had it from an early age. He had to be in control and was the type to live in the momet and never look back. Unfortunately, his abandonment and troubled childhood shaped his ability to interact with others and led to his inability to sustain a long term relationship. He was once reportedly asked by a journalist why he was such a control freak and he replied, “What if everyone left me and there was no one around except me? I gotta know how to control things on my own." I think deep down he had a terrible fear of being alone, which makes it all the more sad that he was left alone when he died.

We all have the fear of dying alone -- which is one main reason we are all grieving so badly for Prince. We identify our fears of this with the way he did die -- at least that one ight, he was alone.

Krystal, great insight I think, to the psyche stuff. I have felt that simpley, Prince wanted both. He wanted a spiritually matured partner whom he could trust and be attracted to in that way (spirituality is VERY sexy when it's actualized)...but he also wanted the beauty of youth, the pure, virgin-like, let-me-teach-her thing.

The obvious problem is someone 24 years old simply does not have the life experience to be the woman his heart really wanted, but an older woman did not have the things of a 24-year-old.

it would've been nice if he found someone in their early 40s who was experienced and spiritual but still youthful. I think it would've taken a very special woman to really keep him -- but it was absolutely possible.

I wonder a lot if it's true what I've read here once or twice, that Prince looked so sad those last months, and if some of that wasn't just the physical pain - but the fact his Lady didn't show up.

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Synergy said:

wavesofbliss said:

WOW! That is very interesting information about their divorce settlement and what MT received. Have their divorce documents already been made public? Or have you seen them? Are they available online somewhere? I am only curious.

Also, I don't understand why MT would be afraid of those documents being unsealed for fear of something to do with drug use UNLESS she knows there was something to that effect contained in the official record. I mean, she was there, she knows what was contained in the pleadings, deposition testimony, etc. So if drug usage was not an issue then there would be no mention of it in the divorce documents which were sealed. The public will not gain access to attorney work product.

But of course she deflected from herself by making a long, emotional, poor-me public statement on her FB page all just to mention that the Star Tribune wanted to open the files because of any of Prince's potential drug use. Anyone who couldn't see that post was a way to mention that is blind.

Throwing your deceased ex-husband under the bus....wow. JUST WOW.

jayseajay said:

malbena said:

Purplealegria7 said:

Synergy said: Yep, it's all true. I was on the message boards way back in the early 1990's and saw her posting on the boards. She was a super obsessed collage student from CAnada. I thought it was strange that her screen name was her REAL name! Like her real first and last name : Manuela Testolini. I remember thinking it was a unusual name, and when I started hearing about him dating this chick I said hummm, it's the that same super fan chick from the boards? It was all so weird.

Do you guys think that part of the hate she receives stems from jealousy of achieving her goal? I'm just asking

Huh. Interesting.
And yes - I believe she gets jealousy for having been his wife, and one who left him.

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

wavesofbliss said:

i appreciate what you're saying here but prince really is the bad guy in a lot of his break-ups. that is not to say that he WAS a bad guy,but he obviously didn't know how have a relationships, to take in love and care and nuturing. tht made toxic in so many ways.

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i would add that having a willingness to stay in a relationship and work through problems is a good barometer for a healthy marriage. prince was clearly NOT willing to do that with either marriage and other business relationships. "my way or i'm leavin" is not healthy,wise or mature. but that's exactly how he lived in ALL of his relationships. and a lifetime of wreckage behind you doesn't speak well of person - prince or anyone else.

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i don't remember mayte saying anything bitchy about him when they divorced. she seemed to fall off the earth and then resurfaced with tommy lee for a minute. i always thought the rumors about a shotgun wedding were bitchy and unfounded. she was a healthy 22 yo how hard is it for them to get pregnant when u stop taking ur pills. people are just being shady.

If Prince didn;t want the divorce from Manuela then maybe he wanted to try to work through that one.

Prince just skipped a step. Instead of trading in his older wife he married when he was young upon entering middle for a newer model. He just waited until he got around middle age and picked out the new models. Rather annoying but hardly some deep seeded pathos that needs to be explained by a troubled childhood, it's a simple fact that happens all the time in the real world.

cloveringold85 said:

Purplealegria7 said:

jayseajay said: First of all there was no Facebook in the late 90's when the baby died and the split happened. And second of all he DID bad mouth her. After the baby died he went on his website and said that hair dye and nail polish caused birth defects!!!! He was roundabout BLAMING her for the baby's death, by posting things about medical studies but not calling her out by name. Imagine that ladies, your husband putting you through that right after the loss of your child from birth defects, all the while making you put on a show for the public about the truth. He made her act like nothing had happened and deny that the baby had passed away. I cannot imagine it. I saw the post on his website with my OWN eyes so I know that it is true. I loved and still love Prince with all of my heart, but I will NOT change the facts that I know to be true now that he has passed just because it might reflect badly on him. All of us old timers and even more his bandmates, friends, exes, and ex-wives know EXACTLY who he was with all his flaws and still love him anyway. Most of them were wronged big time by the man but still loved him enough to want to take care of him, and be there for him in spite of their pain caused my him. And the most wronged of all these people of all by a MILE was Mayte. She loved him so much she never got over him, and you could see the love she still had for him all over her face on that show she was on. She would have went back to him in a second if he had asked. And after all he did to her, that is LOVE! [Edited 8/25/16 12:09pm]

I have read a lot of different stories about Mayte, so it's hard to separate fact from truths. I didn't know about those things Prince said about Mayte. I'm sure losing his newborn Son was extremely painful for him and maybe he did not deal with it in the best way. It seemed like he was living in denial and couldn't accept his Son's death, which is very common (shock).

Personally, Mayte was much too young to get involved with Prince. I think being married so young to an Icon and then losing a baby and another miscarriage and then divorce -- that will mess you up, for sure. I wish Mayte the best.

Manuela filed for divorce. I don't think Prince wanted the divorce. I know that hurt him and he never really seemed the same again.

Many people say that Prince did not have the ability to "love". I disagree. I think he loved very deeply and very passionately. He loved Denise Matthews (Vanity) very much. He was very heartbroken over her death. Yes, Prince had issues from his childhood, like many of us, but that does not mean that we cannot fully love another. Actually, Children from broken homes (me, being one), can be the most loving and compassionate people you will ever know.

No, Prince was not perfect; he was just trying to find his way, like all of us.....we will love him, always. xoxo

[Edited 8/25/16 13:13pm]

I also think that with him being so passionate and able to feel on such a deep level, he got lust mixed up with love A LOT. We've all been there

People aren't always jealous when they don't like something/someone. That is the simplified "reasoning" of 5th graders. I can't stand superficial money/fame grubbing dingbats like Mayte, MT or most of the long list of his sex objects because they were ignorant, talentless, oportunists who I would never give the time of day. However, following him meant being exposed to trash and the atrocious stripper dancing of Mayte whose main move consisted of thrusting her ass in his face. Go Mayte with your "female empowerment"! The fact that ppl continue to feel sorry for her shows how well her victim routine works. The only victim these days is her poor daughter whom she has used to try and fill the empty void in her life. Clearly Mayte manipulated P. into marriage thru "accidently" getting pregnant at the very time he was talking of marrying Nona Gaye. Is it any wonder he had hostility towards her that may have come out after the fetus died? No sweet "innocent" or loving person manipulates someone into marriage. He replaced M. with a slightly more intelligent (if u count calculating as intelligence) version with MT but she was no better or worse, just more of the same talentless starfuckers he attracted due to his goodheart and insecurities. Frankly, Bria is the ONLY one who has shown any class and was the one (who even at the time he was with her) seemed a bit different but not enough. Poor P. all this from those who claim to love him sooo much but were just parasites who now continue to feed off his fame.

anangellooksdown said:

malbena said:

Do you guys think that part of the hate she receives stems from jealousy of achieving her goal? I'm just asking

Huh. Interesting.
And yes - I believe she gets jealousy for having been his wife, and one who left him.

I had this thought earlier... all the vitriol aimed at women who were close to him -- I mean, really, I keep thinking I;m back in high school sometimes. Oh, man, I don't even bother with the posts anymore. So unnecessary and judgy. Hey, P was the fool that took the bait, yo. Be mad at him for not realizing he got pimped that one time.

Mkilpatrick74 said:

cloveringold85 said:

PrplGem said:

jayseajay said:

Sorry if that came out abrupt. We're all a bit on edge. I just really feel for Mayte, the way P treated her was not his finest hour...

Thank you jayseajay! It's not rocket science. I don't understand how ppl just beat down on her so badly ,verbally, on social media. I feel so much for her. She got dealt an awful hand. Ppl act like they don't see it. Sn: luckily for her she stopped the auction & pulled back her wedding ring & I believe the dress as well atleast now she has more reason to hold on to them amongst the other things she has..

I'm actually a fan of Mayte.. not beating down on her.. I think Prince really loved her and you can see it there is something special about watching them perform together.. I think in the last few years he had some regrets about that.. and his songs on AOA seem to reflect that.. he was too stubbon to go back though..

fanoftheman said:

Purplealegria7 said:

jayseajay said:

I agree with most of what you say...but I don't take the fact that she badmouthed him while he didn't really in his favor in this instance. He had all the power in that relationship, not only the age-gap, but also his status and y'now, him being the sexiest mofo in the world, Matye was not playing on a level field in that relationship, at all...I'm sure it was more complicated than we know, but my impression has always been that he emotinally abandoned her after the babies died...and tbh, he shouldn't have left his decision of who to marry to the chance of who happened to get pregnant...and then layered the whole thing with some intensely romanticized narrative about being soulmates and some previous life in Egypt...that's fucked up. I totally get why he was like this, and I have an enormous amount of compassion for the way his childhood left him with certain intimacy issues...but that also doesn't change the fact that I think he really did a number on Mayte, and yes, he did become a better person...because basically he had an amazing heart and soul...but he still sometimes treated women in a way that makes my hair stand on end.

First of all there was no Facebook in the late 90's when the baby died and the split happened. And second of all he DID bad mouth her. After the baby died he went on his website and said that hair dye and nail polish caused birth defects!!!! He was roundabout BLAMING her for the baby's death, by posting things about medical studies but not calling her out by name. Imagine that ladies, your husband putting you through that right after the loss of your child from birth defects, all the while making you put on a show for the public about the truth. He made her act like nothing had happened and deny that the baby had passed away. I cannot imagine it. I saw the post on his website with my OWN eyes so I know that it is true. I loved and still love Prince with all of my heart, but I will NOT change the facts that I know to be true now that he has passed just because it might reflect badly on him. All of us old timers and even more his bandmates, friends, exes, and ex-wives know EXACTLY who he was with all his flaws and still love him anyway. Most of them were wronged big time by the man but still loved him enough to want to take care of him, and be there for him in spite of their pain caused my him. And the most wronged of all these people of all by a MILE was Mayte. She loved him so much she never got over him, and you could see the love she still had for him all over her face on that show she was on. She would have went back to him in a second if he had asked. And after all he did to her, that is LOVE! [Edited 8/25/16 12:09pm]

Well, he dyed his hair too, so was he blaming himself also?

cloveringold85 said:

Purplealegria7 said:

jayseajay said: First of all there was no Facebook in the late 90's when the baby died and the split happened. And second of all he DID bad mouth her. After the baby died he went on his website and said that hair dye and nail polish caused birth defects!!!! He was roundabout BLAMING her for the baby's death, by posting things about medical studies but not calling her out by name. Imagine that ladies, your husband putting you through that right after the loss of your child from birth defects, all the while making you put on a show for the public about the truth. He made her act like nothing had happened and deny that the baby had passed away. I cannot imagine it. I saw the post on his website with my OWN eyes so I know that it is true. I loved and still love Prince with all of my heart, but I will NOT change the facts that I know to be true now that he has passed just because it might reflect badly on him. All of us old timers and even more his bandmates, friends, exes, and ex-wives know EXACTLY who he was with all his flaws and still love him anyway. Most of them were wronged big time by the man but still loved him enough to want to take care of him, and be there for him in spite of their pain caused my him. And the most wronged of all these people of all by a MILE was Mayte. She loved him so much she never got over him, and you could see the love she still had for him all over her face on that show she was on. She would have went back to him in a second if he had asked. And after all he did to her, that is LOVE! [Edited 8/25/16 12:09pm]

I have read a lot of different stories about Mayte, so it's hard to separate fact from truths. I didn't know about those things Prince said about Mayte. I'm sure losing his newborn Son was extremely painful for him and maybe he did not deal with it in the best way. It seemed like he was living in denial and couldn't accept his Son's death, which is very common (shock).

Personally, Mayte was much too young to get involved with Prince. I think being married so young to an Icon and then losing a baby and another miscarriage and then divorce -- that will mess you up, for sure. I wish Mayte the best.

Manuela filed for divorce. I don't think Prince wanted the divorce. I know that hurt him and he never really seemed the same again.

Many people say that Prince did not have the ability to "love". I disagree. I think he loved very deeply and very passionately. He loved Denise Matthews (Vanity) very much. He was very heartbroken over her death. Yes, Prince had issues from his childhood, like many of us, but that does not mean that we cannot fully love another. Actually, Children from broken homes (me, being one), can be the most loving and compassionate people you will ever know.

No, Prince was not perfect; he was just trying to find his way, like all of us.....we will love him, always. xoxo

[Edited 8/25/16 13:13pm]

I shed a tear reading this.

If Mani was the one that cheated in the marriage and filed for divorce, why did Prince have to pay her millions in the settlement? Why was Tamar called to give a deposition allegedly?

anangellooksdown said:

fanoftheman said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

fanoftheman said:

I'm actually a fan of Mayte.. not beating down on her.. I think Prince really loved her and you can see it there is something special about watching them perform together.. I think in the last few years he had some regrets about that.. and his songs on AOA seem to reflect that.. he was too stubbon to go back though..

Nope.

endiadj said:

Purplealegria7 said:

jayseajay said: First of all there was no Facebook in the late 90's when the baby died and the split happened. And second of all he DID bad mouth her. After the baby died he went on his website and said that hair dye and nail polish caused birth defects!!!! He was roundabout BLAMING her for the baby's death, by posting things about medical studies but not calling her out by name. Imagine that ladies, your husband putting you through that right after the loss of your child from birth defects, all the while making you put on a show for the public about the truth. He made her act like nothing had happened and deny that the baby had passed away. I cannot imagine it. I saw the post on his website with my OWN eyes so I know that it is true. I loved and still love Prince with all of my heart, but I will NOT change the facts that I know to be true now that he has passed just because it might reflect badly on him. All of us old timers and even more his bandmates, friends, exes, and ex-wives know EXACTLY who he was with all his flaws and still love him anyway. Most of them were wronged big time by the man but still loved him enough to want to take care of him, and be there for him in spite of their pain caused my him. And the most wronged of all these people of all by a MILE was Mayte. She loved him so much she never got over him, and you could see the love she still had for him all over her face on that show she was on. She would have went back to him in a second if he had asked. And after all he did to her, that is LOVE! [Edited 8/25/16 12:09pm]

Well, he dyed his hair too, so was he blaming himself also?

I don't know anything about him going on the website, but the claim is that if the mother dyes her hair while she's pregnant it could affect the fetus. The research is mixed and the doctors don't agree. Mine had me wait until the second trimester but she still thought it was likely much ado about nothing.

But, anyway, if he complained about this then, no, he wasn't talking about himself, he was talking about her.

A person's death really wakes you up, despite any of the troubles you might've had in the past. I respect Mani as I always preferred her over Mayte despite the suspect ways they got togethe. Whether she cheated on him or him on her, whether Mayte and Prince had a mutual grievences over their babies, or whatever doesn't matter.

THe equation is simple. Mani loved Prince, Prince died, and Prince's legacy is being attacked which makes her mad. Period. Thats all. Some of you had tantrums when Prince would not deliver what you wanted and called him all sorts of names out of frustration, but you still loved him right? And it still pisses you off that people are trying to tarnish him, doesn't it.

Prince's personal life and his decisons a lot of it was not cool in my book, and still isn't cool however the human experience has proved over and over again with tragedy comes realazation. Mayte and Mani, Jill, Apples, Shelia, Cat even, are beginning to realize how much of a void he has left them and thats okay.

QueenofPurplePalace said:

A person's death really wakes you up, despite any of the troubles you might've had in the past. I respect Mani as I always preferred her over Mayte despite the suspect ways they got togethe. Whether she cheated on him or him on her, whether Mayte and Prince had a mutual grievences over their babies, or whatever doesn't matter.

THe equation is simple. Mani loved Prince, Prince died, and Prince's legacy is being attacked which makes her mad. Period. Thats all. Some of you had tantrums when Prince would not deliver what you wanted and called him all sorts of names out of frustration, but you still loved him right? And it still pisses you off that people are trying to tarnish him, doesn't it.

Prince's personal life and his decisons a lot of it was not cool in my book, and still isn't cool however the human experience has proved over and over again with tragedy comes realazation. Mayte and Mani, Jill, Apples, Shelia, Cat even, are beginning to realize how much of a void he has left them and thats okay.

I've witnessed a few here change overnight in how they post now so yes tradegy does that to people.

However, having your current husband sing songs at your ex's tribute, having a page dedicated to the ex's in the program book, making comments about his weight post-death, and yes making public comments about him in the past does not help. I'm sure she's realizing the void but her actions just seem weird to me and that comment about the weight. no...just no.

I can't judge what's in Mani's heart at all. She just did things I wouldnt do.

[Edited 8/26/16 14:39pm]

jenjens222 said:

cloveringold85 said:

I have read a lot of different stories about Mayte, so it's hard to separate fact from truths. I didn't know about those things Prince said about Mayte. I'm sure losing his newborn Son was extremely painful for him and maybe he did not deal with it in the best way. It seemed like he was living in denial and couldn't accept his Son's death, which is very common (shock).

Personally, Mayte was much too young to get involved with Prince. I think being married so young to an Icon and then losing a baby and another miscarriage and then divorce -- that will mess you up, for sure. I wish Mayte the best.

Manuela filed for divorce. I don't think Prince wanted the divorce. I know that hurt him and he never really seemed the same again.

Many people say that Prince did not have the ability to "love". I disagree. I think he loved very deeply and very passionately. He loved Denise Matthews (Vanity) very much. He was very heartbroken over her death. Yes, Prince had issues from his childhood, like many of us, but that does not mean that we cannot fully love another. Actually, Children from broken homes (me, being one), can be the most loving and compassionate people you will ever know.

No, Prince was not perfect; he was just trying to find his way, like all of us.....we will love him, always. xoxo

[Edited 8/25/16 13:13pm]

I also think that with him being so passionate and able to feel on such a deep level, he got lust mixed up with love A LOT. We've all been there

Oh yes...definiately!!

BlackBall said:

People aren't always jealous when they don't like something/someone. That is the simplified "reasoning" of 5th graders. I can't stand superficial money/fame grubbing dingbats like Mayte, MT or most of the long list of his sex objects because they were ignorant, talentless, oportunists who I would never give the time of day. However, following him meant being exposed to trash and the atrocious stripper dancing of Mayte whose main move consisted of thrusting her ass in his face. Go Mayte with your "female empowerment"! The fact that ppl continue to feel sorry for her shows how well her victim routine works. The only victim these days is her poor daughter whom she has used to try and fill the empty void in her life. Clearly Mayte manipulated P. into marriage thru "accidently" getting pregnant at the very time he was talking of marrying Nona Gaye. Is it any wonder he had hostility towards her that may have come out after the fetus died? No sweet "innocent" or loving person manipulates someone into marriage. He replaced M. with a slightly more intelligent (if u count calculating as intelligence) version with MT but she was no better or worse, just more of the same talentless starfuckers he attracted due to his goodheart and insecurities. Frankly, Bria is the ONLY one who has shown any class and was the one (who even at the time he was with her) seemed a bit different but not enough. Poor P. all this from those who claim to love him sooo much but were just parasites who now continue to feed off his fame.

Tell it like it is!! I agree with you, 100%. People try to paint Mayte as a victim, but she's not. Listen to "Man O War" -- I think Prince is referring to Mayte. Prince was good to her. Mayte was devestated when Prince left her, and I feel bad about that, but Mayte went on to date Tommy Lee, of all people! Now, come on!! A "good girl" doesn't date someone like that, imo!! Like you said, both Mayte and Manuela used Prince, one way or another. Prince did not want the divorce from Manuela. I'm not sure what happened between him and Bria, but she married someone in the JW. Maybe Prince was too much for her to handle?

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cloveringold85 said:

I have read a lot of different stories about Mayte, so it's hard to separate fact from truths. I didn't know about those things Prince said about Mayte. I'm sure losing his newborn Son was extremely painful for him and maybe he did not deal with it in the best way. It seemed like he was living in denial and couldn't accept his Son's death, which is very common (shock).

Personally, Mayte was much too young to get involved with Prince. I think being married so young to an Icon and then losing a baby and another miscarriage and then divorce -- that will mess you up, for sure. I wish Mayte the best.

Manuela filed for divorce. I don't think Prince wanted the divorce. I know that hurt him and he never really seemed the same again.

Many people say that Prince did not have the ability to "love". I disagree. I think he loved very deeply and very passionately. He loved Denise Matthews (Vanity) very much. He was very heartbroken over her death. Yes, Prince had issues from his childhood, like many of us, but that does not mean that we cannot fully love another. Actually, Children from broken homes (me, being one), can be the most loving and compassionate people you will ever know.

No, Prince was not perfect; he was just trying to find his way, like all of us.....we will love him, always. xoxo

[Edited 8/25/16 13:13pm]

The other thing is, if Prince really screwed all kinds of people over all the time, they wouldn't have remained caring about him. I think life has its fair share of relationship problems, that's all. I have always felt it was horrible for Prince to deal with certain things in his life and that's why marriages end sometimes. I feel Prince was incredibly sensitive and I get that. I'm the same way. It's not an excuse for any of us; it's a reason. We all hurt people in our lives. I'm not going to make any more assumptions about him anymore. Im going to keep my thoughts to myself because I have felt guilty more than once for talking about his personal life, guessing what went on etc. Sure, a part of me wants to know but I can keep that between me and his spirit. More than anything, I want to respect his privacy. I just keep always feeling the need to defend him and from where he is he doesn't need me to do that. He just needs our love. [Edited 8/25/16 15:54pm]

Very good point you made!! Yes, if he was such a bad person (as many say), then you wouldn't have all this outpouring of love from all his "exe's". You are right about that. I don't think Prince ever set out to intentionally hurt anyone. We all get hurt in love at one point or another. In Prince's life, I think there was more love than hate, that's for sure. He even said himself he did not like "drama", he did not like fighting.........."Man O War".......You know I'm not a man of war.

[Edited 8/26/16 12:16pm]

paisleyparkgirl said:

cloveringold85 said:

I have read a lot of different stories about Mayte, so it's hard to separate fact from truths. I didn't know about those things Prince said about Mayte. I'm sure losing his newborn Son was extremely painful for him and maybe he did not deal with it in the best way. It seemed like he was living in denial and couldn't accept his Son's death, which is very common (shock).

Personally, Mayte was much too young to get involved with Prince. I think being married so young to an Icon and then losing a baby and another miscarriage and then divorce -- that will mess you up, for sure. I wish Mayte the best.

Manuela filed for divorce. I don't think Prince wanted the divorce. I know that hurt him and he never really seemed the same again.

Many people say that Prince did not have the ability to "love". I disagree. I think he loved very deeply and very passionately. He loved Denise Matthews (Vanity) very much. He was very heartbroken over her death. Yes, Prince had issues from his childhood, like many of us, but that does not mean that we cannot fully love another. Actually, Children from broken homes (me, being one), can be the most loving and compassionate people you will ever know.

No, Prince was not perfect; he was just trying to find his way, like all of us.....we will love him, always. xoxo

[Edited 8/25/16 13:13pm]

I shed a tear reading this.

I'm sorry......didn't mean to make you cry. ((here's some purple hugs for you))