malbena said:

jayseajay said:

Okay, this is what I've got:

Dear Jill,

We know it’s a little weird to write such personal letters to strangers, but we wanted to reach out to you to say thank you for your words and let you know how moved many of us at the org were by them. Thank you for telling the truth, because the silence and the insistence that everything was fine has been hard to process, when now with hindsight it is so clear that everything was not fine at all. It wasn’t even just the weight, but, exactly as you say, his chi was really off, and for someone with energy usually as clear and powerful as his, you can feel it – or its absence - even through the images. We cannot begin to imagine how devastated you feel, as we are all completely devastated, and our relationship to him was only through the work and what he meant to us. Please know that even though we didn’t know him, many of us still identify with your feeling of wanting to have saved him. What happened stimulates such a powerful protective urge, to somehow go back, and as you say, kidnap him and lock him up and watch over him until he was safe…even knowing he was probably the most difficult person in the world to kidnap and inflict care on if he didn’t want it. But we wanted to send you some love and say we hope you can be kind to yourself. It was not you that dropped the ball, and as hard as it is, it was his decision to be surrounded by people who were not wise or strong enough to see what was wrong and do something about it until it was too late. He ran so hard, and for most of his life it worked, until finally it so tragically didn’t, and maybe that is something nobody could have changed unless he decided to change it himself, and there seems to be no suggestion he ever considered anything other than always moving relentlessly forward at whatever cost to himself, his relationships or his body. He was always going to do whatever he thought he needed to do to keep going until he couldn’t any more. And even as it feels like such an unspeakably wrong ending for him, maybe there is nothing anyone could have done to change the general form of it, even though every fibre in us wants to be able to try, desperately, however impossible it is.

We hope this is not too presumptuous. We just wanted to reach out and let you know that the fam feel you, and we are grateful that someone who had known him for so long has told the truth and spoken to us and our deep concern about what happened to him. We know we didn’t know him, and at the same time, he poured so much of himself into that work, and the connection we had with him was meaningful, on both sides we believed, and it feels hard to be dismissed as people who simply didn’t know him at all, when if art is real, then the connection and the love is real as well.

You are in all our thoughts, and so much love to you on behalf of the fam. Thank you for speaking your truth.

Agree 100%

Very well put.

Dibblekins said:

PurpleBabied said:

1Sasha said:

jayseajay said:

Okay, this is what I've got:

Dear Jill,

We know it’s a little weird to write such personal letters to strangers, but we wanted to reach out to you to say thank you for your words and let you know how moved many of us at the org were by them. Thank you for telling the truth, because the silence and the insistence that everything was fine has been hard to process, when now with hindsight it is so clear that everything was not fine at all. It wasn’t even just the weight, but, exactly as you say, his chi was really off, and for someone with energy usually as clear and powerful as his, you can feel it – or its absence - even through the images. We cannot begin to imagine how devastated you feel, as we are all completely devastated, and our relationship to him was only through the work and what he meant to us. Please know that even though we didn’t know him, many of us still identify with your feeling of wanting to have saved him. What happened stimulates such a powerful protective urge, to somehow go back, and as you say, kidnap him and lock him up and watch over him until he was safe…even knowing he was probably the most difficult person in the world to kidnap and inflict care on if he didn’t want it. But we wanted to send you some love and say we hope you can be kind to yourself. It was not you that dropped the ball, and as hard as it is, it was his decision to be surrounded by people who were not wise or strong enough to see what was wrong and do something about it until it was too late. He ran so hard, and for most of his life it worked, until finally it so tragically didn’t, and maybe that is something nobody could have changed unless he decided to change it himself, and there seems to be no suggestion he ever considered anything other than always moving relentlessly forward at whatever cost to himself, his relationships or his body. He was always going to do whatever he thought he needed to do to keep going until he couldn’t any more. And even as it feels like such an unspeakably wrong ending for him, maybe there is nothing anyone could have done to change the general form of it, even though every fibre in us wants to be able to try, desperately, however impossible it is.

We hope this is not too presumptuous. We just wanted to reach out and let you know that the fam feel you, and we are grateful that someone who had known him for so long has told the truth and spoken to us and our deep concern about what happened to him. We know we didn’t know him, and at the same time, he poured so much of himself into that work, and the connection we had with him was meaningful, on both sides we believed, and it feels hard to be dismissed as people who simply didn’t know him at all, when if art is real, then the connection and the love is real as well.

You are in all our thoughts, and so much love to you on behalf of the fam. Thank you for speaking your truth.

That's lovely.

too much speculation on HIS personal stuff....no one knows anything for sure

jayseajay said:

Okay, this is what I've got:

Dear Jill,

We know it’s a little weird to write such personal letters to strangers, but we wanted to reach out to you to say thank you for your words and let you know how moved many of us at the org were by them. Thank you for telling the truth, because the silence and the insistence that everything was fine has been hard to process, when now with hindsight it is so clear that everything was not fine at all. It wasn’t even just the weight, but, exactly as you say, his chi was really off, and for someone with energy usually as clear and powerful as his, you can feel it – or its absence - even through the images. We cannot begin to imagine how devastated you feel, as we are all completely devastated, and our relationship to him was only through the work and what he meant to us. Please know that even though we didn’t know him, many of us still identify with your feeling of wanting to have saved him. What happened stimulates such a powerful protective urge, to somehow go back, and as you say, kidnap him and lock him up and watch over him until he was safe…even knowing he was probably the most difficult person in the world to kidnap and inflict care on if he didn’t want it. But we wanted to send you some love and say we hope you can be kind to yourself. It was not you that dropped the ball, and as hard as it is, it was his decision to be surrounded by people who were not wise or strong enough to see what was wrong and do something about it until it was too late. He ran so hard, and for most of his life it worked, until finally it so tragically didn’t, and maybe that is something nobody could have changed unless he decided to change it himself, and there seems to be no suggestion he ever considered anything other than always moving relentlessly forward at whatever cost to himself, his relationships or his body. He was always going to do whatever he thought he needed to do to keep going until he couldn’t any more. And even as it feels like such an unspeakably wrong ending for him, maybe there is nothing anyone could have done to change the general form of it, even though every fibre in us wants to be able to try, desperately, however impossible it is.

We hope this is not too presumptuous. We just wanted to reach out and let you know that the fam feel you, and we are grateful that someone who had known him for so long has told the truth and spoken to us and our deep concern about what happened to him. We know we didn’t know him, and at the same time, he poured so much of himself into that work, and the connection we had with him was meaningful, on both sides we believed, and it feels hard to be dismissed as people who simply didn’t know him at all, when if art is real, then the connection and the love is real as well.

You are in all our thoughts, and so much love to you on behalf of the fam. Thank you for speaking your truth.

Wow, co-sign my name on that one!

That was great Jay!

Love, Krystal B

jayseajay said:

wavesofbliss said:

GhostChick said:

We can't blame everything on childhood. Eventually, children become adults who have their own life experiences that can help shape the decisons they make as later adults.

Prince had some failed relationships and marriages. Period. It happens.

And to be honest, being together and STAYING together is not the barometer of a healthy and happy marriage either.

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i would add that having a willingness to stay in a relationship and work through problems is a good barometer for a healthy marriage. prince was clearly NOT willing to do that with either marriage and other business relationships. "my way or i'm leavin" is not healthy,wise or mature. but that's exactly how he lived in ALL of his relationships. and a lifetime of wreckage behind you doesn't speak well of person - prince or anyone else.

I totally agree with you. That is why people say marriage is work, because a loving marriage can force you to grow, compromise, consider others...I think that is the whole point...you commit to someone to grow together, support and love eachother through good times and bad. It isn't always going to be a fairy tail but it feels good that someone always has your back. Marriage is something to fight for.

And I love Prince, have immense respect for him and am in awe of his talent but the dude was a piece of work. I mean I think his second wife was forced to file for divorce because he refused to talk to her and communicate. How can you deal with someone like that? She is not the only person he's acted that way towards. Prince was always the BOSS and always had the power, both with women and bandmates and the such. He pushed a lot of strong, loving people away....I'm not blaming everything on his childhood but in all honesty it is the foundation of our lives and it sets the tone for alot in our lives as we grow. If there is neglect and abuse, someone is just NOT going to learn how to love or accept love from others. They can be very rejecting, controlling and have poor communication skills. If you become so engrained in your habits that you can't even see what you or doing or why you are doing them.

Oh and also I actually do think Prince's willingness to marry Mayte because of getting her pregnant (if that is true) is actually very honorable and speaks highly of his character. I think Prince was old school and he came from a different generation so I think his intentions were good. Even though he does not strike me as someone who would have made a good husband.

Okay guys, thanks for feedback. I'll send message when I wake up tmrw. If you want to co-sign can you let me know what name to put by replying to this...

Thanks. Man, the last couple of days have been hard. I'm glad you're all here. Prince2Eternity

Krystalkisses said:

wavesofbliss said:

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i would add that having a willingness to stay in a relationship and work through problems is a good barometer for a healthy marriage. prince was clearly NOT willing to do that with either marriage and other business relationships. "my way or i'm leavin" is not healthy,wise or mature. but that's exactly how he lived in ALL of his relationships. and a lifetime of wreckage behind you doesn't speak well of person - prince or anyone else.

Sorry double post!

[Edited 8/23/16 18:54pm]

Krystalkisses said:

wavesofbliss said:

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i would add that having a willingness to stay in a relationship and work through problems is a good barometer for a healthy marriage. prince was clearly NOT willing to do that with either marriage and other business relationships. "my way or i'm leavin" is not healthy,wise or mature. but that's exactly how he lived in ALL of his relationships. and a lifetime of wreckage behind you doesn't speak well of person - prince or anyone else.

I totally agree with you. That is why people say marriage is work, because a loving marriage can force you to grow, compromise, consider others...I think that is the whole point...you commit to someone to grow together, support and love eachother through good times and bad. It isn't always going to be a fairy tail but it feels good that someone always has your back. Marriage is something to fight for.

And I love Prince, have immense respect for him and am in awe of his talent but the dude was a piece of work. I mean I think his second wife was forced to file for divorce because he refused to talk to her and communicate. How can you deal with someone like that? She is not the only person he's acted that way towards. Prince was always the BOSS and always had the power, both with women and bandmates and the such. He pushed a lot of strong, loving people away....I'm not blaming everything on his childhood but in all honesty it is the foundation of our lives and it sets the tone for alot in our lives as we grow. If there is neglect and abuse, someone is just NOT going to learn how to love or accept love from others. They can be very rejecting, controlling and have poor communication skills. If you become so engrained in your habits that you can't even see what you or doing or why you are doing them.

Oh and also I actually do think Prince's willingness to marry Mayte because of getting her pregnant (if that is true) is actually very honorable and speaks highly of his character. I think Prince was old school and he came from a different generation so I think his intentions were good. Even though he does not strike me as someone who would have made a good husband.

All of the above. It's one of the many ironies about P, the incredible romanticism is intoxicating, but that's not a great foundation for a marriage when the rubber hits the road. And he always seems to have decided to just move onto the next thing/romance rather than stick around and try and work anything out, b/c like you said, he didn't have the emotional skills...For someone so generally amazing in so many other ways, it really makes me sad...

Synergy said:

jayseajay said:

Maybe we should think about it. It seems like she was reaching out. Does anyone know what kind of response she got on her fb? Maybe a fam hug would help...

Is this a new post from Mani? I haven't been on Facebook yet. When she posted about the Strib filing, I replied don't worry, most of us from the holy river know what happened at the time. They're not telling us something new (yes, mildly snaky). But then I read the motion my the strib and I went researching their assumption with the U4770 and, with what I read, I became enraged and even more sad for him, because the things they're saying are all foul. So, I sent her prayers, because she had replied she felt helpless against drug charges during their marriage, and that if he were here, they would fight against this together. (Basically, the strib wants to know if she may have helped him with the preferred method of "administration" - which I think is pure BS. That would not be in Divorce records, she agreed.) Now we know, the U4770 was in the counterfeit pills along with the Fentanyl. So, they're going to expose all the dirt. Prince didn't want a divorce, wouldn't sign or accept papers. it's in the partial divorce decree from 2010. The rest seems to have disappeared, but fam around back then know what happened and She was hated by many. I think she does/did care for Prince, but not as much as he thought she had or does love her current husband. Do a search, it was all over the org (and everywhere) back then.

most of us have a good idea about what happened in the marriage/divorce too. he dumped her in toronto ormn and left for LA. just like he dumped Mayte in spain and came back to the states. he left MT to file but then wouldn't sign it .things dragged on and she won some settlement for around 270,000. the only thing the comes as a surprise to me is your comment

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she felt helpless against the drug charges during their marriage++ when were there drug charges during the marriage? r u saying that drug use WAS part of why she wanted the separation?

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and yeah we all know she loved him enough for a greencard, some reflected shine and some money to roll on. which equals didn't love him as much as benet.

jayseajay said:

Krystalkisses said:

I totally agree with you. That is why people say marriage is work, because a loving marriage can force you to grow, compromise, consider others...I think that is the whole point...you commit to someone to grow together, support and love eachother through good times and bad. It isn't always going to be a fairy tail but it feels good that someone always has your back. Marriage is something to fight for.

And I love Prince, have immense respect for him and am in awe of his talent but the dude was a piece of work. I mean I think his second wife was forced to file for divorce because he refused to talk to her and communicate. How can you deal with someone like that? She is not the only person he's acted that way towards. Prince was always the BOSS and always had the power, both with women and bandmates and the such. He pushed a lot of strong, loving people away....I'm not blaming everything on his childhood but in all honesty it is the foundation of our lives and it sets the tone for alot in our lives as we grow. If there is neglect and abuse, someone is just NOT going to learn how to love or accept love from others. They can be very rejecting, controlling and have poor communication skills. If you become so engrained in your habits that you can't even see what you or doing or why you are doing them.

Oh and also I actually do think Prince's willingness to marry Mayte because of getting her pregnant (if that is true) is actually very honorable and speaks highly of his character. I think Prince was old school and he came from a different generation so I think his intentions were good. Even though he does not strike me as someone who would have made a good husband.

All of the above. It's one of the many ironies about P, the incredible romanticism is intoxicating, but that's not a great foundation for a marriage when the rubber hits the road. And he always seems to have decided to just move onto the next thing/romance rather than stick around and try and work anything out, b/c like you said, he didn't have the emotional skills...For someone so generally amazing in so many other ways, it really makes me sad...

I have a B.A. in Psychology so I have a bit of background in stuff like this and it is true our brains get flooded with feel good neroutransmitters and create a sense of euphoria with new romances and it can feel intoxicating and addicting...partially it's natures way to design us to procrate and stay together long enough to have children...but those feelings can dwindle as time goes on (usually at a two year mark ) and then people either advance into a more "mature" kind of love or breakup....however, research has shown couples can reawaken these feelings by engaging in new or novel experiences together to trigger some of those same neroutransmitters and make you feel "in love" again...

...as for Prince he was a true romantic, a poet, an artist...all these new girls in his life were like a spark of new inspiration that added to his creative output....but I'm not sure how he felt about that...I wonder if he felt ambivalent about his casannova ways or he really wanted a "deeper" love...perhaps at different stages in his life he wanted different things...

jayseajay said:

wavesofbliss said:

Synergy said:

jayseajay said: Is this a new post from Mani? I haven't been on Facebook yet. When she posted about the Strib filing, I replied don't worry, most of us from the holy river know what happened at the time. They're not telling us something new (yes, mildly snaky). But then I read the motion my the strib and I went researching their assumption with the U4770 and, with what I read, I became enraged and even more sad for him, because the things they're saying are all foul. So, I sent her prayers, because she had replied she felt helpless against drug charges during their marriage, and that if he were here, they would fight against this together. (Basically, the strib wants to know if she may have helped him with the preferred method of "administration" - which I think is pure BS. That would not be in Divorce records, she agreed.) Now we know, the U4770 was in the counterfeit pills along with the Fentanyl. So, they're going to expose all the dirt. Prince didn't want a divorce, wouldn't sign or accept papers. it's in the partial divorce decree from 2010. The rest seems to have disappeared, but fam around back then know what happened and She was hated by many. I think she does/did care for Prince, but not as much as he thought she had or does love her current husband. Do a search, it was all over the org (and everywhere) back then.

most of us have a good idea about what happened in the marriage/divorce too. he dumped her in toronto ormn and left for LA. just like he dumped Mayte in spain and came back to the states. he left MT to file but then wouldn't sign it .things dragged on and she won some settlement for around 270,000. the only thing the comes as a surprise to me is your comment

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she felt helpless against the drug charges during their marriage++ when were there drug charges during the marriage? r u saying that drug use WAS part of why she wanted the separation?

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and yeah we all know she loved him enough for a greencard, some reflected shine and some money to roll on. which equals didn't love him as much as benet.

Just to clarify, we were talking about sending a message to Jill not MT, thread went a bit elsewhere...

Krystalkisses said:

jayseajay said:

All of the above. It's one of the many ironies about P, the incredible romanticism is intoxicating, but that's not a great foundation for a marriage when the rubber hits the road. And he always seems to have decided to just move onto the next thing/romance rather than stick around and try and work anything out, b/c like you said, he didn't have the emotional skills...For someone so generally amazing in so many other ways, it really makes me sad...

I have a B.A. in Psychology so I have a bit of background in stuff like this and it is true our brains get flooded with feel good neroutransmitters and create a sense of euphoria with new romances and it can feel intoxicating and addicting...partially it's natures way to design us to procrate and stay together long enough to have children...but those feelings can dwindle as time goes on (usually at a two year mark ) and then people either advance into a more "mature" kind of love or breakup....however, research has shown couples can reawaken these feelings by engaging in new or novel experiences together to trigger some of those same neroutransmitters and make you feel "in love" again...

...as for Prince he was a true romantic, a poet, an artist...all these new girls in his life were like a spark of new inspiration that added to his creative output....but I'm not sure how he felt about that...I wonder if he felt ambivalent about his casannova ways or he really wanted a "deeper" love...perhaps at different stages in his life he wanted different things...

I suspect he did feel ambivalent, at least in part...but I think it went so deep, the power of that idealization, and he was so. damn. good. at. it. I can imagine its hard to give that up for something more prosaic like a real longterm partnership...but also, it was part of his defense mechanisms I think...because all the time you're in that inital rush, everyone has stars in their eyes and doves in their brain, and you don't really have to let ppl see the real person, who I suspect he still didn't really believe was loveable.

Synergy said:

PurpleBabied said:

Vague-booking on a public post isn't the same as the ST asking to unseal their divorce records from 10 years ago. Knowing that mommy was married before isn't the same as knowing the dirt on how mommy split from her first husband years ago and why.

:rolleyes:

According to court docs, they were still in Divorce Court in 2010.

I have the Judge's decision from the hearing on unsealing the divorce records and he said in his Order that the divorce was finalized on October 2, 2007.

The other filings after 2007 were probably for Contempt of Court because P wasnt making the required spousal support payments or possibly he didnt transfer property as agreed to in the divorce.

jenjens222 said:

jayseajay said:

Okay, this is what I've got:

Dear Jill,

We know it’s a little weird to write such personal letters to strangers, but we wanted to reach out to you to say thank you for your words and let you know how moved many of us at the org were by them. Thank you for telling the truth, because the silence and the insistence that everything was fine has been hard to process, when now with hindsight it is so clear that everything was not fine at all. It wasn’t even just the weight, but, exactly as you say, his chi was really off, and for someone with energy usually as clear and powerful as his, you can feel it – or its absence - even through the images. We cannot begin to imagine how devastated you feel, as we are all completely devastated, and our relationship to him was only through the work and what he meant to us. Please know that even though we didn’t know him, many of us still identify with your feeling of wanting to have saved him. What happened stimulates such a powerful protective urge, to somehow go back, and as you say, kidnap him and lock him up and watch over him until he was safe…even knowing he was probably the most difficult person in the world to kidnap and inflict care on if he didn’t want it. But we wanted to send you some love and say we hope you can be kind to yourself. It was not you that dropped the ball, and as hard as it is, it was his decision to be surrounded by people who were not wise or strong enough to see what was wrong and do something about it until it was too late. He ran so hard, and for most of his life it worked, until finally it so tragically didn’t, and maybe that is something nobody could have changed unless he decided to change it himself, and there seems to be no suggestion he ever considered anything other than always moving relentlessly forward at whatever cost to himself, his relationships or his body. He was always going to do whatever he thought he needed to do to keep going until he couldn’t any more. And even as it feels like such an unspeakably wrong ending for him, maybe there is nothing anyone could have done to change the general form of it, even though every fibre in us wants to be able to try, desperately, however impossible it is.

We hope this is not too presumptuous. We just wanted to reach out and let you know that the fam feel you, and we are grateful that someone who had known him for so long has told the truth and spoken to us and our deep concern about what happened to him. We know we didn’t know him, and at the same time, he poured so much of himself into that work, and the connection we had with him was meaningful, on both sides we believed, and it feels hard to be dismissed as people who simply didn’t know him at all, when if art is real, then the connection and the love is real as well.

You are in all our thoughts, and so much love to you on behalf of the fam. Thank you for speaking your truth.

Wow. You sure have a way with words. Beautiful.

Thanku. Let me know if you wanna sign and what name to put.

wavesofbliss said:

jayseajay said:

Krystalkisses said:

I have a B.A. in Psychology so I have a bit of background in stuff like this and it is true our brains get flooded with feel good neroutransmitters and create a sense of euphoria with new romances and it can feel intoxicating and addicting...partially it's natures way to design us to procrate and stay together long enough to have children...but those feelings can dwindle as time goes on (usually at a two year mark ) and then people either advance into a more "mature" kind of love or breakup....however, research has shown couples can reawaken these feelings by engaging in new or novel experiences together to trigger some of those same neroutransmitters and make you feel "in love" again...

...as for Prince he was a true romantic, a poet, an artist...all these new girls in his life were like a spark of new inspiration that added to his creative output....but I'm not sure how he felt about that...I wonder if he felt ambivalent about his casannova ways or he really wanted a "deeper" love...perhaps at different stages in his life he wanted different things...

I suspect he did feel ambivalent, at least in part...but I think it went so deep, the power of that idealization, and he was so. damn. good. at. it. I can imagine its hard to give that up for something more prosaic like a real longterm partnership...but also, it was part of his defense mechanisms I think...because all the time you're in that inital rush, everyone has stars in their eyes and doves in their brain, and you don't really have to let ppl see the real person, who I suspect he still didn't really believe was loveable.

Wow, I never considered it from that angle before...and yes, a painful childhood can create feelings of low self esteem and a feeling of "unloveableness" perhaps he struggled with that also...wow, you're good Jay

jayseajay said:

Synergy said:

wavesofbliss said:

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and yeah we all know she loved him enough for a greencard, some reflected shine and some money to roll on. which equals didn't love him as much as benet.

--- She was a fan. Described as obsessed with Prince by college mates, a loner. When she finally came into the holy river chatroom it was with a mission and she got it. She was hired for the gift shop, then promoted to his tour crew manager, then personal assistant; then wife, at which time, they moved to LA. ... Eric Benet.

thank you for filling in some of the gaps and the timeline. i was never that interested in his marriages but thank you for clearing up the drug thing. she feels helpless to fight the current drug charges . and of course doesn't want people to know she stepped-out on prince. no wonder she fought against unsealing the records. but still- p stonewalled her and she filed, he didn't. her and eric are 2 of a kind huh? SMH

Synergy said:

jayseajay said:

Just to clarify, we were talking about sending a message to Jill not MT, thread went a bit elsewhere...

The post began with MT FB post and maybe she should be written to for moral support was in the posts that precede mine and then the idea of writing Jill came up, because Jill is keeping it real and ppl are throwing shade instead of listening to her. So, my comment is within bounds, I've been an orger for nearly 11 years. I know the rules and how to follow the threads.

Thanks for the insight into the circumstances surrounding the marriage!

But I have no desire to lend the ex any moral support.

She needs to get over herself.

Just saying.

:lol:lol:

GhostChick said:

We can't blame everything on childhood. Eventually, children become adults who have their own life experiences that can help shape the decisons they make as later adults.

Prince had some failed relationships and marriages. Period. It happens.

And to be honest, being together and STAYING together is not the barometer of a healthy and happy marriage either.

i appreciate what you're saying here but prince really is the bad guy in a lot of his break-ups. that is not to say that he WAS a bad guy,but he obviously didn't know how have a relationships, to take in love and care and nuturing. tht made toxic in so many ways.

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i would add that having a willingness to stay in a relationship and work through problems is a good barometer for a healthy marriage. prince was clearly NOT willing to do that with either marriage and other business relationships. "my way or i'm leavin" is not healthy,wise or mature. but that's exactly how he lived in ALL of his relationships. and a lifetime of wreckage behind you doesn't speak well of person - prince or anyone else.

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i don't remember mayte saying anything bitchy about him when they divorced. she seemed to fall off the earth and then resurfaced with tommy lee for a minute. i always thought the rumors about a shotgun wedding were bitchy and unfounded. she was a healthy 22 yo how hard is it for them to get pregnant when u stop taking ur pills. people are just being shady.

Synergy said:

jayseajay said:

Just to clarify, we were talking about sending a message to Jill not MT, thread went a bit elsewhere...

The post began with MT FB post and maybe she should be written to for moral support was in the posts that precede mine and then the idea of writing Jill came up, because Jill is keeping it real and ppl are throwing shade instead of listening to her. So, my comment is within bounds, I've been an orger for nearly 11 years. I know the rules and how to follow the threads.

As nice as Mani was to me when I was around, she is rather hated by most fans and orgers I know. Kuddos on making her dream come true although it includes unfortunate circumstances. At this time, I would prefer siding with mourning fans and be excluded from giving her moral support. With due respect.

Synergy said:

I am confused but it sounds like the 'dirt' is all about her? Why would they even think that the U4770 stuff and possible administration would be in the divorce papers?

Why would keeping it secret protect his legacy?

Synergy said:

jayseajay said:

Maybe we should think about it. It seems like she was reaching out. Does anyone know what kind of response she got on her fb? Maybe a fam hug would help...

Is this a new post from Mani? I haven't been on Facebook yet. When she posted about the Strib filing, I replied don't worry, most of us from the holy river know what happened at the time. They're not telling us something new (yes, mildly snaky). But then I read the motion my the strib and I went researching their assumption with the U4770 and, with what I read, I became enraged and even more sad for him, because the things they're saying are all foul. So, I sent her prayers, because she had replied she felt helpless against drug charges during their marriage, and that if he were here, they would fight against this together. (Basically, the strib wants to know if she may have helped him with the preferred method of "administration" - which I think is pure BS. That would not be in Divorce records, she agreed.) Now we know, the U4770 was in the counterfeit pills along with the Fentanyl. So, they're going to expose all the dirt. Prince didn't want a divorce, wouldn't sign or accept papers. it's in the partial divorce decree from 2010. The rest seems to have disappeared, but fam around back then know what happened and She was hated by many. I think she does/did care for Prince, but not as much as he thought she had or does love her current husband. Do a search, it was all over the org (and everywhere) back then.

Synergy said:

wavesofbliss said:

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and yeah we all know she loved him enough for a greencard, some reflected shine and some money to roll on. which equals didn't love him as much as benet.

--- She was a fan. Described as obsessed with Prince by college mates, a loner. When she finally came into the holy river chatroom it was with a mission and she got it. She was hired for the gift shop, then promoted to his tour crew manager, then personal assistant; then wife, at which time, they moved to LA. ... Eric Benet.

Is it possible she was infatuated with him, thought she loved him but then realized that this workaholic ways meant little time with the man, so she cheated due to loneliness.

Its not right but its understandable.