SunnyGirl8 said:

Vashtix said:

No debating the mirror and who is in it; when I saw that I was like woah !!

I did a double take too!!

not just the mirror. The style evokes UTCM and the cover of Skin on Skin, the last time we could say they were communicating in a positive way (she thanks him in the notes on her album).

We need to timeline 2007 because its not only the year this came out but the year Vanity was interviewed where she says, like in the song, she wants to see him face to face but is waiting for God to hook them up supranaturally. Here he is saying I am free, why aren't you calling me. So was it an impasse or who broke down and called first? Maybe they were both too proud or relying on God to do things they were supposed to do.

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What is with the silk blindfolds, they both hold one, he is wearing his, she is holding hers.

beachy said:

SunnyGirl8 said:

I did a double take too!!

not just the mirror. The style evokes UTCM and the cover of Skin on Skin, the last time we could say they were communicating in a positive way (she thanks him in the notes on her album).

We need to timeline 2007 because its not only the year this came out but the year Vanity was interviewed where she says, like in the song, she wants to see him face to face but is waiting for God to hook them up supranaturally. Here he is saying I am free, why aren't you calling me. So was it an impasse or who broke down and called first? Maybe they were both too proud or relying on God to do things they were supposed to do.

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What is with the silk blindfolds, they both hold one, he is wearing his, she is holding hers.

The song was tracked in March 2007 and released 9th July 2007.

Interestingly, his book The Beautiful Ones is meant to cut off with the SuperBowl.

Blindfolds not sure - does that tie with her in the past somehow? One of their costumes?

SunnyGirl8 said:

purplegirl00 said:

The mirror returns and she's IN it! She's wrapping that shash in her hands. Is this the sash on Prince's hat from the WDC & Empty Room?

Have a look at Vanity's Skin on Skin Album cover and tell me if it looks the same???

The girl's dress is silky (silvery/white) just like Vanity's! Wow, even the chair looks the same and both have their legs crossed. Interesting indeed.

bondno9 said:

SunnyGirl8 said:

He dedicated The Beautiful One's to Denise in Melbourne and included her name in the song and also said "She knows about this".

He also dedicated Adore to her and stopped in the middle of it to declare her "The Finest Woman in the World".

If you don't know Adore it was written in the mid-80's, it's about meeting 'your One' and the lyrics are:

Until the end of time
I'll be there 4 U
U own my heart and mind
I truly adore U
If God one day struck me blind
Your beauty I'd still see
Love is 2 weak 2 define
Just what U mean 2 me

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That's why this thread exists.

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So just overlook what he said in 12/15?!? Just because he included her name does not mean the song was about her. Of course she knew about it. He inferred in the Ebony Magazine interview that she speculated about the song being about her, when it wasn't. He probably would have included the name of his other proteges if they had passed.

Dedications are a symbol of honor and respect. So, yes he respected her but I can't go so far as to say it was a deep romantic love in the end. To me, he gave that deeper love to God and it was because of that love (and faith) he probably was thinking of his relationship with Denise and realized it was one that had not been reconciled, not in a romantic sense but biblical, meaning to be at peace with all men.

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Do you know for certain if Prince never mended his relationship with Denise? I don't believe that was ever said by him or her. I think that is an assumption and not fair to say. I don't think it's right to say what you said because we don't know the truth with them. We don't know what happened in the later years. We don't know how Prince felt about her at the end. All we have are those Melbourne concerts to go by and I believe he truly was saddened by her death. Even though he as an actor, I don't think that was an act at all. Everyone has an opinion about Prince's true love and that's okay but there is no need to be negative to the group who feel like Denise was his true love. If believing she was the one makes the fans feel better then let them believe that way. Let's spread love around here because the fans in the thread are truly hurt by his passing and hers. Prince was all about love, not war! We're all family here and we loved her and him very much!

cng89 said:

LavenderSky said:

HA! It's all about love!

You kept it so REAL. I really appreciate that. My point, us women need to stick together. I ADORED Prince, really I did. I'm not naive though. With relationship experience and age, comes wisdom. Lets me honest, ladies. Prince was a PLAYA. As much as that gorgeous man did right by all his women, he also did just as much wrong by them emotionally. Having all his beautiful cupcakes @ his beckon call 24/7, while publically promoting his favorite flavor of the week, benefited Prince and ONLY Prince! Regardless, of which one of his females you romantically *shipped* the man with, the truth of the matter is, all his women must have paid quite an emotional price living in his purple harem. I feel for them. Like others in this thread, I have my favorite Prince pairing(s) as well. I don't feel the need to speak about it, cause when it comes down to it, it's all personal opinions based on theories not credited facts anyways. The only person who truly knew how Prince felt about each one of his women, was Prince. And all his precious secrets locked deep in his heart were casted off to heaven with him the day he passed away. So yes, have fun spinning, but like cng89 pointed out eariler, lets keep the tone of the dicussions in this thread with a sense of realistic perspective. Peace to all

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beachy said:

SunnyGirl8 said:

I did a double take too!!

not just the mirror. The style evokes UTCM and the cover of Skin on Skin, the last time we could say they were communicating in a positive way (she thanks him in the notes on her album).

We need to timeline 2007 because its not only the year this came out but the year Vanity was interviewed where she says, like in the song, she wants to see him face to face but is waiting for God to hook them up supranaturally. Here he is saying I am free, why aren't you calling me. So was it an impasse or who broke down and called first? Maybe they were both too proud or relying on God to do things they were supposed to do.

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What is with the silk blindfolds, they both hold one, he is wearing his, she is holding hers.

I was just about to edit my post including the that the ambiance- the dark/ black & white feel to it was the same as UTCM.

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I was wondering about that sash/ blindfold and what it means. This video came out just after her book?

LavenderSky said:

cng89 said:

HA! It's all about love!

You kept it so REAL. I really appreciate that. My point, us women need to stick together. I ADORED Prince, really I did. I'm not naive though. With relationship experience and age, comes wisdom. Lets me honest, ladies. As much as Prince did right by all his women, he also did just as much wrong to them emotionally. Having all his beautiful cupcakes @ his beckon call 24/7, while publically promoting his favorite flavor of the week, benefited Prince and ONLY Prince! Regardless, of which one of his females you romantically *shipped* the man with, the truth of the matter is, all his women must have paid quite an emotional price living in his purple harem. I feel for them. Like others in this thread, I have my favorite Prince pairing(s) as well. I don't feel the need to speak about it, cause when it comes down to it, it's all BS theories anyways. The only person who truly knew how Prince felt about each one of his women, was Prince. And all his precious secrets locked deep in his heart were casted off to heaven with him the day he passed away. So yes, have fun spinning, but like cng89 pointed out eariler, lets keep the tone of the dicussions in this thread with a sense of realistic perspective. Peace to all

Gotcha! It's no secret who my favorite pairing is and I like to believe that they are together again BUT I am also a person who sees it from all sides. Those women put up with a lot and they don't need anyone coming down on them right now. If those ladies believe they were the one then so be it. Who knows what he told them when he was with them. I feel so sorry for those women, really, because I know they are hurting so bad. Hell, Mayte is probably the one that I am mostly worried about because she seemed just a mess. Her stans can be very intense and work my nerves but overall, I feel her. I felt for Denise when she was with us as well but in general, I just want to embrace them all. He's gone, Denise is gone and I feel like they are reunited once more but let's not do away with the others because they have pain as well.

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

not just the mirror. The style evokes UTCM and the cover of Skin on Skin, the last time we could say they were communicating in a positive way (she thanks him in the notes on her album).

We need to timeline 2007 because its not only the year this came out but the year Vanity was interviewed where she says, like in the song, she wants to see him face to face but is waiting for God to hook them up supranaturally. Here he is saying I am free, why aren't you calling me. So was it an impasse or who broke down and called first? Maybe they were both too proud or relying on God to do things they were supposed to do.

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What is with the silk blindfolds, they both hold one, he is wearing his, she is holding hers.

I was just about to edit my post including the that the ambiance- the dark/ black & white feel to it was the same as UTCM.

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I was wondering about that sash/ blindfold and what it means. This video came out just after her book?

I don't know? I'm confused about that as I've seen a variety of dates spread over a 10 year period.

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Beachy - do you know anything about the dates for this?

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cng89 said:

LavenderSky said:

You kept it so REAL. I really appreciate that. My point, us women need to stick together. I ADORED Prince, really I did. I'm not naive though. With relationship experience and age, comes wisdom. Lets me honest, ladies. Prince was a PLAYA. As much as that gorgeous man did right by all his women, he also did just as much wrong by them emotionally. Having all his beautiful cupcakes @ his beckon call 24/7, while publically promoting his favorite flavor of the week, benefited Prince and ONLY Prince! Regardless, of which one of his females you romantically *shipped* the man with, the truth of the matter is, all his women must have paid quite an emotional price living in his purple harem. I feel for them. Like others in this thread, I have my favorite Prince pairing(s) as well. I don't feel the need to speak about it, cause when it comes down to it, it's all personal opinions based on theories not credited facts anyways. The only person who truly knew how Prince felt about each one of his women, was Prince. And all his precious secrets locked deep in his heart were casted off to heaven with him the day he passed away. So yes, have fun spinning, but like cng89 pointed out eariler, lets keep the tone of the dicussions in this thread with a sense of realistic perspective. Peace to all wink [Edited 5/29/16 16:02pm] [Edited 5/29/16 16:07pm] [Edited 5/29/16 16:08pm] "So here I sit in my lonely room Lookin' for my sunshine But all I've got is two cigarettes And this broken heart of mine So let the rain come down Let the rain come down Let the rain come down, down" Reply w/quote - Edit - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator

Gotcha! It's no secret who my favorite pairing is and I like to believe that they are together again BUT I am also a person who sees it from all sides. Those women put up with a lot and they don't need anyone coming down on them right now. If those ladies believe they were the one then so be it. Who knows what he told them when he was with them. I feel so sorry for those women, really, because I know they are hurting so bad. Hell, Mayte is probably the one that I am mostly worried about because she seemed just a mess. Her stans can be very intense and work my nerves but overall, I feel her. I felt for Denise when she was with us as well but in general, I just want to embrace them all. He's gone, Denise is gone and I feel like they are reunited once more but let's not do away with the others because they have pain as well.

Well said. The way I see it, is simple. I've been a fan of Prince's since I was a teenage. My purple fandom journey began 1983. The day I received my BBC news text, alerting me the tragic news of my dear Prince's passing, I was CRUSHED! I felt like a close friend had died. I believe I cried on and off for 2 weeks straight. My mood swings are getting better, but I'm still cry when I hear Purple Rain. And, I've come to terms with the fact, listening to Purple Rain without tearing up, may not change. That said, I know this may sound a little twisted, but what makes the void I feel from Prince's passing, a little easier to process is when I think about all the women Prince embraced and bedded. Loved near and far. Regardless, of the outcome of his time with each woman, he was passionate about all of them during his journey at that time. And some of his women, he even continued to care for till he took his last breath. I can't even begin to imagine the type of brokenhearted pain each is suffering since his passing as we spin. Being a fan mourning Prince's loss is torture enough! Can you imagine being one of the women he gave himself to mind and body for a magical moment in their time? I can't! Sincerely, my heart goes out to them all. May the Lord give them some type of sign of peace and comfort will follow.

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LavenderSky said:

cng89 said:

Gotcha! It's no secret who my favorite pairing is and I like to believe that they are together again BUT I am also a person who sees it from all sides. Those women put up with a lot and they don't need anyone coming down on them right now. If those ladies believe they were the one then so be it. Who knows what he told them when he was with them. I feel so sorry for those women, really, because I know they are hurting so bad. Hell, Mayte is probably the one that I am mostly worried about because she seemed just a mess. Her stans can be very intense and work my nerves but overall, I feel her. I felt for Denise when she was with us as well but in general, I just want to embrace them all. He's gone, Denise is gone and I feel like they are reunited once more but let's not do away with the others because they have pain as well.

Well said. The way I see it, is simple. I've been a fan of Prince's since I was a teenage. My purple fandom journey began 1983. The day I received my BBC news text, alerting me the tragic news of my dear Prince's passing, I was CRUSHED! I felt like a close friend had died. I believe I cried on and off for 2 weeks straight. My mood swings are getting better, but I'm still cry when I hear Purple Rain. And, I've come to terms with the fact, listening to Purple Rain without tearing up, may not change. That said, I know this my sound a little twisted, but what makes the void I feel from Prince's passing, is thinking about all the women Prince embraced and bedded. Loved near and far. Regardless, of the outcome of his time with each woman, he was passionate about all of them during his journey with them. And some of his women, he even continued to care for till he took his last breath. I can't even begin to imagine the type of brokenhearted pain each is suffering as we spin. Being a fan mourning his loss is torture enough! Can you imagine being one of the women he gave himself to mind and body for spell? I can't! Sincerely, my heart goes out to them. My the Lord give them some type of sign of peace and comfort will follow.

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Oh man, I was a mess when I heard he passed. My heart hurt and I didn't even know that man personally. I kept thinking, 'I wonder how the people who knew he very well are doing?' I prayed for them all especially those women. I have seen the older girls from the 80s reunite after the death of Denise. I believe Jill Jones, Susan Moonsie, Apollonia and Brenda were invited by Prince to one of Piano and A Microphone Tour concerts in California after the memorial. The orignial girls minus Vanity as I like to call them, lol. There was no hate there and that's how it's supposed to be. They shared a common bond and were able to get over the bitterness even if it was due to tragedy.

beachy said:

SunnyGirl8 said:

The Ballad of Dorothy Parker

Thanks I took a look at that and my interpretation of the pants on is sex without emotional involvement. I know there are different ways to interpret it but in that song he seems to be ok with an affair as long as it does not mean deeper involvement. He'll 'sample' women that offer themselves to him with no strings attached. It's a relief because the fighting in the involved relationship was exhausting (violent room).

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So in the video I would say he is not deeply involved with anyone, he is still pining for the woman who left him. To bathe with no pants on is to expose yourself emotionally, to be vulnerable. I know some people want to make it be literal sex but we know he had full sex with lots of people.

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I think this says to me he was still deeply in love with Vanity in 1994. The sex with groupies etc meant nothing to him. It just put him in a better mood. Its ironic that after she marries the very month this film is shown in March 95, that he plunges into a romantic relationship with Mayte. He was holding back emotionally from Mayte before. Now that Vanity is truly gone, he pursues the relationship with Mayte.

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I wonder if Prince ever sent these songs and videos to Vanity before showing them? In Strange but True he says he sent her a song ie on a tape to speak to her.

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That makes alot of sense (the bathing with no pants).

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I came to the same conclusion as you re his feelings for Denise up to her marriage - I think the video says it all. And actually that ties in with what I originally said about Adore - that he declared his love for her at that point and that the next fixed date was her marriage and everything in between was fuzzy. What we can say now is it doesn't look like anything changed with his feelings for her between Adore and her marriage and that she broke his heart all over again.

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What's kind of bizarre is why would you even make a video like that? Why would you display yourself so publicly? Unless you're thinking at the moment no one knows what it's about and in the future, people can look back and see what was going on once thay have the key to unlock the mystery, which has obviously been her. But that still doesn't sit right as to the reason why you would make the video - it must have been to share with her. But would he really do that? It's really exposing yourself??

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I mentioned earlier that Vanity was getting unreleased music re Sheila E post 1985 AMA's. They probably came from Prince as he produces them. So maybe she was just getting whatever he wanted to share with her - unreleased or released.

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cng89 said:

LavenderSky said:

Well said. The way I see it, is simple. I've been a fan of Prince's since I was a teenage. My purple fandom journey began 1983. The day I received my BBC news text, alerting me the tragic news of my dear Prince's passing, I was CRUSHED! I felt like a close friend had died. I believe I cried on and off for 2 weeks straight. My mood swings are getting better, but I'm still cry when I hear Purple Rain. And, I've come to terms with the fact, listening to Purple Rain without tearing up, may not change. That said, I know this my sound a little twisted, but what makes the void I feel from Prince's passing, is thinking about all the women Prince embraced and bedded. Loved near and far. Regardless, of the outcome of his time with each woman, he was passionate about all of them during his journey with them. And some of his women, he even continued to care for till he took his last breath. I can't even begin to imagine the type of brokenhearted pain each is suffering as we spin. Being a fan mourning his loss is torture enough! Can you imagine being one of the women he gave himself to mind and body for spell? I can't! Sincerely, my heart goes out to them. My the Lord give them some type of sign of peace and comfort will follow.

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Oh man, I was a mess when I heard he passed. My heart hurt and I didn't even know that man personally. I kept thinking, 'I wonder how the people who knew he very well are doing?' I prayed for them all especially those women. I have seen the older girls from the 80s reunite after the death of Denise. I believe Jill Jones, Susan Moonsie, Apollonia and Brenda were invited by Prince to one of Piano and A Microphone Tour concerts in California after the memorial. The orignial girls minus Vanity as I like to call them, lol. There was no hate there and that's how it's supposed to be. They shared a common bond and were able to get over the bitterness even if it was due to tragedy.

Yeah, I know, cng89. As horrible as this pass month has been for us as fans, it does not measure when you consider the weight of despair his extended purple are currently experiencing since Prince's passing. It was very wonderful to hear, Prince had his girl's with him @ his concert in Cali. It was not only fitting, but it's also telling about the state of his relationship(s) with them. Meaning, even though relationship(s) status changed and time marshed on, he's cares for them. As he always did. And, after reading these women's heartfelt statements so quickly after his dealth, says so much. They all loved and cared for him. And that never changed. Prince was a lucky man to have so much love. In life and in death. Amen.

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SunnyGirl8 said:

Hi All

I’ve found something really special Hint: Look at the mirror. Make of it what you will, love to hear your thoughts…

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAluL631Ygk

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Somewhere Here On Earth - Planet Earth Album (2007)

Recorded early March 2007.

Video shot in Prague while on 21 Nights in London: Earth Tour 2007.

Links to other songs on Planet Earth Album -

- Mr Goodnight has a sample of Somewhere Here On Earth and is the b-side of promo single Chelsea Rodgers.

- B-side to Guitar. (Note: an alternate version of Guitar was released 5 months earlier to coincide with Super Bowl Halftime Show.)

Was performed on 28 May 2009 on Jay Leno’s penultimate show after 17yrs of hosting

Performed occasionally live: 2007, 2009, 2011, 2016

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Holy cow. This is getting crazy. The girl in the mirror is just too much. I knew songs on Planet Earth referred to her. But wow, just wow. lol I feel like I took the blue pill in the Matrix. lol

30yearfan said:

SunnyGirl8 said:

Hi All

I’ve found something really special Hint: Look at the mirror. Make of it what you will, love to hear your thoughts…

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAluL631Ygk

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Somewhere Here On Earth - Planet Earth Album (2007)

Recorded early March 2007.

Video shot in Prague while on 21 Nights in London: Earth Tour 2007.

Links to other songs on Planet Earth Album -

- Mr Goodnight has a sample of Somewhere Here On Earth and is the b-side of promo single Chelsea Rodgers.

- B-side to Guitar. (Note: an alternate version of Guitar was released 5 months earlier to coincide with Super Bowl Halftime Show.)

Was performed on 28 May 2009 on Jay Leno’s penultimate show after 17yrs of hosting

Performed occasionally live: 2007, 2009, 2011, 2016

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Holy cow. This is getting crazy. The girl in the mirror is just too much. I knew songs on Planet Earth referred to her. But wow, just wow. lol I feel like I took the blue pill in the Matrix. lol

I am feeling like that too!

SunnyGirl8 said:

beachy said:

not just the mirror. The style evokes UTCM and the cover of Skin on Skin, the last time we could say they were communicating in a positive way (she thanks him in the notes on her album).

We need to timeline 2007 because its not only the year this came out but the year Vanity was interviewed where she says, like in the song, she wants to see him face to face but is waiting for God to hook them up supranaturally. Here he is saying I am free, why aren't you calling me. So was it an impasse or who broke down and called first? Maybe they were both too proud or relying on God to do things they were supposed to do.

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What is with the silk blindfolds, they both hold one, he is wearing his, she is holding hers.

The song was tracked in March 2007 and released 9th July 2007.

Interestingly, his book The Beautiful Ones is meant to cut off with the SuperBowl.

Blindfolds not sure - does that tie with her in the past somehow? One of their costumes?

Nevermind.. LOL.

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wow i knew she told Jet Mag that he was the only man she ever loved..she said that in her book too? Nice

GeniusLuv said:

wow i knew she told Jet Mag that he was the only man she ever loved..she said that in her book too? Nice

Nope, I don't have the book. I know she said it somewhere so assumed it was in the book (going to edit my reply). SO it was Jet Magazine? What's the date on that?

purplegirl00 said:

SunnyGirl8 said:

The song was tracked in March 2007 and released 9th July 2007.

Interestingly, his book The Beautiful Ones is meant to cut off with the SuperBowl.

Blindfolds not sure - does that tie with her in the past somehow? One of their costumes?

I think 2007 may be significant in the timeline. Isn't that when Denise's book, "Blame it On Vanity" came out? If it is, perhaps this is the first time that Prince really hears her affirming her love for him. Like literally profess it- he was the only man she ever loved. Maybe he had not gotten affirmation or all that time, he thought she didn't love him.

She originally published the book Blame it on Vanity in 1999.

She did an enlarged and revised edition in 2004.

The latest version had some delays but finally came out in 2010.

But its interesting that she did an interview for Jet in 2007 AFTER this song came out in July.

In Nove 2007 issue of Jet she gave an interview. The editor of the magazine wrote this recently:

Vanity (Denise Matthews), Prince’s ex-lover and protege who fronted the female trio Vanity 6, died at 57 on February 15, the same day that his mother succumbed 14 years earlier. I interviewed the singer formerly known as Vanity in Jet magazine’s November 26, 2007 issue. By this time calling herself Evangelist Denise Matthews, she told me he was the only man she ever truly loved. Denise, the birth name that she only answered to after turning her life over to Christ, read some of her writings to me and then said, “Prince loved to hear my stories. He likes the way that I write.” I could hear in her voice the love she still had for him. She even told me how she was struggling financially due to severe health challenges but turned down millions because she refused to do a tell-all book about their relationship. At the end of our conversation, Denise told me, “I look forward to hopefully seeing him in the future. I’m waiting for God to supernaturally hook us up. I would love to see his face. I’ve been praying for Prince a very long time and I believe he’s praying for me. God does supernatural things because He’s able.”

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http://www.margenachristian.com/blog/holding-court-the-gift-princes-mother-bestowed-upon-him

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The original interview can be found on googlebooks.

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"Somewhere on Earth" from July 2007 says:

I know U're out there
I can feel U getting closer 2 me
I'm just wondering what U're waiting 4
U know I am free

In this digital age, U could just page me
I know it's a rage, but it just don't engage me
I like the face to face
Do you want 2 do this at Urs, or my place?

It's been so long
Since I been with somebody
Like a million years
Now U're here on Earth

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Sounds to me like she wasn't going to contact him, but was waiting for 'things to happen'???

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SunnyGirl8 said:

beachy said:

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What's kind of bizarre is why would you even make a video like that? Why would you display yourself so publicly? Unless you're thinking at the moment no one knows what it's about and in the future, people can look back and see what was going on once thay have the key to unlock the mystery, which has obviously been her. But that still doesn't sit right as to the reason why you would make the video - it must have been to share with her. But would he really do that? It's really exposing yourself??

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I have a few guesses about why he did this.

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1) It was a way to communicate with her without going directly to her and risk being rejected outright. He may have felt he couldn't survive a direct rejection so continually tried to woo her and seduce her through music without giving an ultimatum.

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2) With these films he could develop a theme and show her how he felt about her vs the other women in his life through music and video. An extended story which unfortunately she may not have seen, since it sounds like once he got the news that she had married that he pulled the videos from his shows.

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3) He had problems expressing emotions other than through music because of his childhood and past experience.

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4) No one really knew he still had feelings for her, his other women were well known, and he hid the messages quite well. Look how long it took for someone (us!) to discover what they meant.

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5) All his art is basically an extended autobiography, especially regarding his story with Vanity. not just PR but UTCM also. Many songs and videos. It was his diary.

Sunny I feel like you picked the songs that solved some mystery, ie we knew he wanted her in 1987, now we know how he felt in 1994 right before he married Mayte, and also 2007 after his marriages were over.

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What we don't know yet is what happened in the gap between Mayte and Mani, and what happened after 2007.

beachy said:

Sunny I feel like you picked the songs that solved some mystery, ie we knew he wanted her in 1987, now we know how he felt in 1994 right before he married Mayte, and also 2007 after his marriages were over.

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What we don't know yet is what happened in the gap between Mayte and Mani, and what happened after 2007.

Those 2 overlapped, mani was P's assistant when he was married to myte and from what i've read in all these threads on the org...he was messing with mani while married to myte..she was exiled to a mansion is Spain he moved in on mani (canadian gal, looked like denise 20 yrs earlier) thats what i've read..she worked for prince when he was married the first time so, there was no time inbetween...

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But now 2007...well there were no more marriages AND denise put it out there to God, the Universe------PRINCE she really wanted that face to face, so did he apparently..WOW....really, all i have to say is WOW!!!!!!!!

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On the excellent "Prince Taught Me" Tumblar http://prince-taught-me.tumblr.com/ they have new pics of Vanity etc that I have never seen before like this one.

beachy said:

SunnyGirl8 said:

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What's kind of bizarre is why would you even make a video like that? Why would you display yourself so publicly? Unless you're thinking at the moment no one knows what it's about and in the future, people can look back and see what was going on once thay have the key to unlock the mystery, which has obviously been her. But that still doesn't sit right as to the reason why you would make the video - it must have been to share with her. But would he really do that? It's really exposing yourself??

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I have a few guesses about why he did this.

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1) It was a way to communicate with her without going directly to her and risk being rejected outright. He may have felt he couldn't survive a direct rejection so continually tried to woo her and seduce her through music without giving an ultimatum.

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2) With these films he could develop a theme and show her how he felt about her vs the other women in his life through music and video. An extended story which unfortunately she may not have seen, since it sounds like once he got the news that she had married that he pulled the videos from his shows.

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3) He had problems expressing emotions other than through music because of his childhood and past experience.

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4) No one really knew he still had feelings for her, his other women were well known, and he hid the messages quite well. Look how long it took for someone (us!) to discover what they meant.

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5) All his art is basically an extended autobiography, especially regarding his story with Vanity. not just PR but UTCM also. Many songs and videos. It was his diary.

You nailed it again Beachy. I think the biggest piece to the puzzle was the Melbourne shows. Once he dedicated Adore and The Beautiful Ones the code was cracked. I don't even think he planned to dedicate that many songs to her. I think his heart just poured out and he couldn't stop it. There is nothing wrong with him still loving her after all these years. This doesn't take away from anyone else. I feel privileged and honored to be learning so many new things about the real Prince. Not the superstar that was packaged for us, but the genius who expressed love through his music in a way that very few will ever be able to match.

beachy said:

SunnyGirl8 said:

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What's kind of bizarre is why would you even make a video like that? Why would you display yourself so publicly? Unless you're thinking at the moment no one knows what it's about and in the future, people can look back and see what was going on once thay have the key to unlock the mystery, which has obviously been her. But that still doesn't sit right as to the reason why you would make the video - it must have been to share with her. But would he really do that? It's really exposing yourself??

.

I have a few guesses about why he did this.

.

1) It was a way to communicate with her without going directly to her and risk being rejected outright. He may have felt he couldn't survive a direct rejection so continually tried to woo her and seduce her through music without giving an ultimatum.

,

2) With these films he could develop a theme and show her how he felt about her vs the other women in his life through music and video. An extended story which unfortunately she may not have seen, since it sounds like once he got the news that she had married that he pulled the videos from his shows.

,

3) He had problems expressing emotions other than through music because of his childhood and past experience.

.

4) No one really knew he still had feelings for her, his other women were well known, and he hid the messages quite well. Look how long it took for someone (us!) to discover what they meant.

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5) All his art is basically an extended autobiography, especially regarding his story with Vanity. not just PR but UTCM also. Many songs and videos. It was his diary.

This thread has shown me that his art is autobiographical/his diary and what a precious gift to leave for us all. It is very special

Goddess4Real said:

On the excellent "Prince Taught Me" Tumblar http://prince-taught-me.tumblr.com/ they have new pics of Vanity etc that I have never seen before like this one.

Here is another link to the site http://welcometothedawn.tumblr.com/ Enjoy there is bound to be more info about Vanity and Prince on there especially in the Archive section. What do u think?

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Goddess that's a beautiful photo. She was literally one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen.

beachy said:

purplegirl00 said:

I think 2007 may be significant in the timeline. Isn't that when Denise's book, "Blame it On Vanity" came out? If it is, perhaps this is the first time that Prince really hears her affirming her love for him. Like literally profess it- he was the only man she ever loved. Maybe he had not gotten affirmation or all that time, he thought she didn't love him.

She originally published the book Blame it on Vanity in 1999.

She did an enlarged and revised edition in 2004.

The latest version had some delays but finally came out in 2010.

But its interesting that she did an interview for Jet in 2007 AFTER this song came out in July.

In Nove 2007 issue of Jet she gave an interview. The editor of the magazine wrote this recently:

Vanity (Denise Matthews), Prince’s ex-lover and protege who fronted the female trio Vanity 6, died at 57 on February 15, the same day that his mother succumbed 14 years earlier. I interviewed the singer formerly known as Vanity in Jet magazine’s November 26, 2007 issue. By this time calling herself Evangelist Denise Matthews, she told me he was the only man she ever truly loved. Denise, the birth name that she only answered to after turning her life over to Christ, read some of her writings to me and then said, “Prince loved to hear my stories. He likes the way that I write.” I could hear in her voice the love she still had for him. She even told me how she was struggling financially due to severe health challenges but turned down millions because she refused to do a tell-all book about their relationship. At the end of our conversation, Denise told me, “I look forward to hopefully seeing him in the future. I’m waiting for God to supernaturally hook us up. I would love to see his face. I’ve been praying for Prince a very long time and I believe he’s praying for me. God does supernatural things because He’s able.”

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http://www.margenachristian.com/blog/holding-court-the-gift-princes-mother-bestowed-upon-him

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The original interview can be found on googlebooks.

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"Somewhere on Earth" from July 2007 says:

I know U're out there
I can feel U getting closer 2 me
I'm just wondering what U're waiting 4
U know I am free

In this digital age, U could just page me
I know it's a rage, but it just don't engage me
I like the face to face
Do you want 2 do this at Urs, or my place?

It's been so long
Since I been with somebody
Like a million years
Now U're here on Earth

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Sounds to me like she wasn't going to contact him, but was waiting for 'things to happen'???

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Thank you for clarifying the dates of the book.

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beachy said:

Goddess that's a beautiful photo. She was literally one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen.

beachy said:

Goddess that's a beautiful photo. She was literally one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen.

The person/s who run these sites this are brillant with all the vare footage etc like this pic of Vanity signing autographs

Goddess4Real said:

On the excellent "Prince Taught Me" Tumblar http://prince-taught-me.tumblr.com/ they have new pics of Vanity etc that I have never seen before like this one.

The Beautiful ONE... indeed.