I honestly don't think things could have been any different.

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It was the 80's, Prince was becoming a mega celebrity, he was making some major money, he had women...tooons of women and sex with several girlfriends, ALL at the same time..he wasn't giving that up, even if he really wanted to. She also was doing drugs, running around as well...it wasn't meant to be at that time. Therapy wouldn't have worked. Vanity said in an interview she was in and out of rehab, nothing worked for her until she became ''Born Again....'' and gave herself over to God.

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They were both too young, wild, etc. and she was so damaged in her heart and soul and superstardom has ruined more relationships, look at Hollywood..those marriages never last and if they do, most of the wives have to turn the other cheek..look at Bill Cosbys wife just sayin...

GeniusLuv said:

Goddess4Real said:

I don't believe it either. Let's face it, unless their is real DNA proof Prince had no children.

Below is a pic of Vanity 6 by Richard Avedon, Rolling Stone Magazine, April 28, 1983. I wonder if there are any outtakes along with Vanity and Prince stashed away somewhere?

[Edited 5/15/16 21:28pm]

I love this photo of her..she's just so gorgeous.

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Just an observation..but in this photo, and others i've seen and also in the videos with V6 she always has a jacket on, the girls never do, they never cover up...i saw a few live performances with Prince, V6 and The Time and she always had a cape, or coat, etc. on seems maybe she wasn't THAT comfortable in her undies the way the other two gals were? Not sure, but i've noticed that a lot lately.

Vanity was so sexy just because she only showed just enough to get you going and that was all. There also may have been some insecurities about her boob size (she had implants when she went to Hollywood I heard). Besides that she said she was knock kneed and pigeon toed. You'd never know it by looking at her.

purplegirl00 said:

GeniusLuv said:

I love this photo of her..she's just so gorgeous.

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Just an observation..but in this photo, and others i've seen and also in the videos with V6 she always has a jacket on, the girls never do, they never cover up...i saw a few live performances with Prince, V6 and The Time and she always had a cape, or coat, etc. on seems maybe she wasn't THAT comfortable in her undies the way the other two gals were? Not sure, but i've noticed that a lot lately.

She was not comfortable. She has said in her preaching videos that she was not comfortable being mostly naked. She would go on stage put on the performance with a smile on her face, but that is not what she wanted to do long-term. At one point, in that 2012 preaching video, she is addressing what kids watch on TV- all the fornication and such. She said, "I know because I was on your tv screens and I'm sure many of you were thinking- girl, put some clothes on!" She was not comfortable and even though her outfits were still a little risky when she went on her own, she was not as naked as she was in Vanity 6. I will say that there were some performances where she, Brenda, and Susan had dresses instead of lingerie and garter belts. Maybe she was expressing that discomfort to Prince?

I remember her preaching..as a child she was very religious, had a bible, sang songs about jesus..she had that as her comfort to get her through the abuse. If she wasn't so unbelievably gorgeous and had that personality and charisma......i wonder if Rick James and Prince would have wanted her to be a sexxy singer so badly?

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

I think marriage would have put a albatross around both their necks, at least at the time. what I do wish had happened was that they both had got some therapy to deal with past issues and stayed a couple, monogamous, until they'd grown up and resolved their addictions. I think you could almost classify Prince's behavior as a sex addiction. But it sure resulted in some great music. Sometimes healthy people can't be as creative as when they had some issues to write about.

I'm rereading DMSR and there is a very nice quote from Vanity about how Prince, at the beginning of their relationship, cared for her insecurities, If I have time to transcribe it I'll post it later.

Yes, therapy would've been great for them. I agree that sex addiction may have been a problem for Prince, but he was not trying to change that. All the women after Vanity seemed to not care that he was banging all these others in the side, but Vanity could not put up with that. She said in an interview that she wanted one man but Prince wanted more than one woman. I'm not saying she was saint either but I think her promiscuity seemed like a revenage against Prince's. Marriage wouldn't have been a good step for them as they were both young and trying launch careers when they started out. I think later they would've had a better shot. Like you, I would've liked to see them stay together but too many forces were against them, including timing. [Edited 5/16/16 7:17am]

I did read some comments on other sites by guys who knew her in Hollywood working on movies and even back in her hometown, and they said she was on coke and extremely promiscuous, even back early on. I hesitate to post the comments because they sound raunchy. I find them believable or at least very possible. don't forget LRC was written about her.

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Other women who left because of his sleeping around according to them or books about Prince: Kim Basinger, Susannah Melvoin, Carmen Electra, perhaps Mani (remember Tamar?)

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otherwise yeah i agree

GeniusLuv said:

I honestly don't think things could have been any different.

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It was the 80's, Prince was becoming a mega celebrity, he was making some major money, he had women...tooons of women and sex with several girlfriends, ALL at the same time..he wasn't giving that up, even if he really wanted to. She also was doing drugs, running around as well...it wasn't meant to be at that time. Therapy wouldn't have worked. Vanity said in an interview she was in and out of rehab, nothing worked for her until she became ''Born Again....'' and gave herself over to God.

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They were both too young, wild, etc. and she was so damaged in her heart and soul and superstardom has ruined more relationships, look at Hollywood..those marriages never last and if they do, most of the wives have to turn the other cheek..look at Bill Cosbys wife just sayin...

its like the successful guys have too many other options, and so they have all the power.

Unless their OWN morality is such that they are monogamous, or there are dire consequences, they ain't gonna stop. even when there ARE dire consequences (think Tiger Woods etc) they risk it anyway. If you look at the number of songs where Prince refers to himself as king, and/or talks about harems, you just know he felt he was entitled.

I'm sure he thought he could replace Vanity easily enough.

[Edited 5/16/16 7:32am]

GeniusLuv said:

purplegirl00 said:

GeniusLuv said: She was not comfortable. She has said in her preaching videos that she was not comfortable being mostly naked. She would go on stage put on the performance with a smile on her face, but that is not what she wanted to do long-term. At one point, in that 2012 preaching video, she is addressing what kids watch on TV- all the fornication and such. She said, "I know because I was on your tv screens and I'm sure many of you were thinking- girl, put some clothes on!" She was not comfortable and even though her outfits were still a little risky when she went on her own, she was not as naked as she was in Vanity 6. I will say that there were some performances where she, Brenda, and Susan had dresses instead of lingerie and garter belts. Maybe she was expressing that discomfort to Prince?

I remember her preaching..as a child she was very religious, had a bible, sang songs about jesus..she had that as her comfort to get her through the abuse. If she wasn't so unbelievably gorgeous and had that personality and charisma......i wonder if Rick James and Prince would have wanted her to be a sexxy singer so badly?

Alot of abused girls are promiscuous because that is the only way they get anything like attention or affection. I think Vanity fell into that category.

beachy said:

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said: Yes, therapy would've been great for them. I agree that sex addiction may have been a problem for Prince, but he was not trying to change that. All the women after Vanity seemed to not care that he was banging all these others in the side, but Vanity could not put up with that. She said in an interview that she wanted one man but Prince wanted more than one woman. I'm not saying she was saint either but I think her promiscuity seemed like a revenage against Prince's. Marriage wouldn't have been a good step for them as they were both young and trying launch careers when they started out. I think later they would've had a better shot. Like you, I would've liked to see them stay together but too many forces were against them, including timing. [Edited 5/16/16 7:17am]

I did read some comments on other sites by guys who knew her in Hollywood working on movies and even back in her hometown, and they said she was on coke and extremely promiscuous, even back early on. I hesitate to post the comments because they sound raunchy. I find them believable or at least very possible. don't forget LRC was written about her.

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Other women who left because of his sleeping around according to them or books about Prince: Kim Basinger, Susannah Melvoin, Carmen Electra, perhaps Mani (remember Tamar?)

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otherwise yeah i agree

You know, now that I think about it, she did say that she had been in rehab before Prince. You are right. Her addiction and promiscuity was to deal with the pain from the abuse her father caused. She wanted to feel wanted and loved. When Prince came along, she felt that but his promiscuity quickly threw her back to that need of being wanted and loved. Then she went looking for that again. Ugh. Such disfunction for two people, who I believe were made to be together.

Kim Basinger, Susannah Melvoin, Carmen Electra, Mani, and Tamar all came after Vanity. She was the first to say to him and the bed hopping.

In LRC, he does say that "you need to find a love that's gonna last". He knew but he couldn't provide that to her at that time. Maybe in recent years, the "moving too fast" part meant that he couldn't keep up with her. He was trying to keep up with her. At least, that's how I interpreted from listening to his Melbourne tribute to her.

[Edited 5/16/16 7:47am]

beachy said:

GeniusLuv said:

I honestly don't think things could have been any different.

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It was the 80's, Prince was becoming a mega celebrity, he was making some major money, he had women...tooons of women and sex with several girlfriends, ALL at the same time..he wasn't giving that up, even if he really wanted to. She also was doing drugs, running around as well...it wasn't meant to be at that time. Therapy wouldn't have worked. Vanity said in an interview she was in and out of rehab, nothing worked for her until she became ''Born Again....'' and gave herself over to God.

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They were both too young, wild, etc. and she was so damaged in her heart and soul and superstardom has ruined more relationships, look at Hollywood..those marriages never last and if they do, most of the wives have to turn the other cheek..look at Bill Cosbys wife just sayin...

its like the successful guys have too many other options, and so they have all the power.

Unless their OWN morality is such that they are monogamous, or there are dire consequences, they ain't gonna stop. even when there ARE dire consequences (think Tiger Woods etc) they risk it anyway. If you look at the number of songs where Prince refers to himself as king, and/or talks about harems, you just know he felt he was entitled.

I'm sure he thought he could replace Vanity easily enough.

[Edited 5/16/16 7:32am]

He did find maaaaaany ''lookalikes'' to fill the void, obviosly he was Prince and many of those women wanted to be stars....so why not sleep with him??? I do know that he did try to get her back, even years after she left him...he sent flowers, wrote letters, etc.

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Thats an important part of the puzzle....SHE left him, not the other way around....you always want the one you can't have...and sadly, their lives just took them into different directions.

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When she died...like he said...it was time for a new story. But unfortunately Prince didn't have much time left to start that new story....sad

GeniusLuv said:

beachy said:

its like the successful guys have too many other options, and so they have all the power.

Unless their OWN morality is such that they are monogamous, or there are dire consequences, they ain't gonna stop. even when there ARE dire consequences (think Tiger Woods etc) they risk it anyway. If you look at the number of songs where Prince refers to himself as king, and/or talks about harems, you just know he felt he was entitled.

I'm sure he thought he could replace Vanity easily enough.

[Edited 5/16/16 7:32am]

He did find maaaaaany ''lookalikes'' to fill the void, obviosly he was Prince and many of those women wanted to be stars....so why not sleep with him??? I do know that he did try to get her back, even years after she left him...he sent flowers, wrote letters, etc.

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Thats an important part of the puzzle....SHE left him, not the other way around....you always want the one you can't have...and sadly, their lives just took them into different directions.

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When she died...like he said...it was time for a new story. But unfortunately Prince didn't have much time left to start that new story....sad

did he write letters? please tell!

One part of the puzzle I haven't figured out is UTCM.

In PR, the woman was Vanity, that was clear.

In UTCM, the woman's part was supposed to be played by Susannah, but she couldn't act so Prince sent her home (!) and hired Kristin Scott Thomas.

So is UTCM autobiographical as well? If so what does it tell us about him and his relationships? This is also when he wrote SISIA. What does that song really mean? Any one have a clue?

beachy said:

GeniusLuv said:

He did find maaaaaany ''lookalikes'' to fill the void, obviosly he was Prince and many of those women wanted to be stars....so why not sleep with him??? I do know that he did try to get her back, even years after she left him...he sent flowers, wrote letters, etc.

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Thats an important part of the puzzle....SHE left him, not the other way around....you always want the one you can't have...and sadly, their lives just took them into different directions.

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When she died...like he said...it was time for a new story. But unfortunately Prince didn't have much time left to start that new story....sad

did he write letters? please tell!

Nikki Sixx said in his book he remembered a time after he and Vanity got 2gether when she came home to her apartment and Prince had sent her flowers, i believe several to fill the room and he wrote her a letter that saying something like ''Dump him now! I want you to take me back...'' Nikki said she met up with Prince after that...

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I'm not sure what happened of ourse..i know he said he and Vanity broke up after that.......i also read other times, he sent flowers and tried to get her back but once she suddenly got married to the football player i think that all changed...

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Then he suddenly married Mayte right after that..so i don't know 4 sure, i think they had many more ''moments'' together that we don't know about over the years..even whenn she was in the hospital..he sent flowers...

beachy said:

One part of the puzzle I haven't figured out is UTCM.

In PR, the woman was Vanity, that was clear.

In UTCM, the woman's part was supposed to be played by Susannah, but she couldn't act so Prince sent her home (!) and hired Kristin Scott Thomas.

So is UTCM autobiographical as well? If so what does it tell us about him and his relationships? This is also when he wrote SISIA. What does that song really mean? Any one have a clue?

Honestly, i don't know anything about the actors in that or the movie being autobiographical..i never read that. For me, i couldn't watch Under the Cherry Moon..i tried, it was unwatchable to me...definitley NOT Purple Rain..which was AMAZZZZING!

GeniusLuv said:

beachy said:

did he write letters? please tell!

Nikki Sixx said in his book he remembered a time after he and Vanity got 2gether when she came home to her apartment and Prince had sent her flowers, i believe several to fill the room and he wrote her a letter that saying something like ''Dump him now! I want you to take me back...'' Nikki said she met up with Prince after that...

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I'm not sure what happened of ourse..i know he said he and Vanity broke up after that.......i also read other times, he sent flowers and tried to get her back but once she suddenly got married to the football player i think that all changed...

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Then he suddenly married Mayte right after that..so i don't know 4 sure, i think they had many more ''moments'' together that we don't know about over the years..even whenn she was in the hospital..he sent flowers...

ok yeah I have that book by Nikki, those words were attached to a card that came with the roses.

I know he also sent her roses in 1994 when she nearly died.

I'm sure they had many contacts we don't know about but I haven't heard of any other letters. I think he'd be scared to write them because they could become public if they fall into the wrong hands people trying to make a buck but who knows.

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I was just watching The Beautiful Experience which was done in April 1994 (smeone posted it to YT) and Mayte was on stage dancing with Prince like she was already his official partner. I'm sure this display did not sit well with Vanity. I don't really blame her for marrying without telling Prince, she probably also wanted kids and was in her mid 30s. I heard she could not have any because of her kidney problems etc.

Anyone have the date in 1994 when she OD'd? maybe it was a response to Prince's public cavortings with Mayte.

[Edited 5/16/16 8:05am]

GeniusLuv said:

beachy said:

One part of the puzzle I haven't figured out is UTCM.

In PR, the woman was Vanity, that was clear.

In UTCM, the woman's part was supposed to be played by Susannah, but she couldn't act so Prince sent her home (!) and hired Kristin Scott Thomas.

So is UTCM autobiographical as well? If so what does it tell us about him and his relationships? This is also when he wrote SISIA. What does that song really mean? Any one have a clue?

Honestly, i don't know anything about the actors in that or the movie being autobiographical..i never read that. For me, i couldn't watch Under the Cherry Moon..i tried, it was unwatchable to me...definitley NOT Purple Rain..which was AMAZZZZING!

It wasn't as accessible for sure, and the character Prince played was not cool like he was in PR. But he wrote it, or had it written according to his ideas, and I'm pretty sure there is something we can learn from it. I doubt he would do this as a random story. Since he wrote it. It actually did quite well in Europe because it made sense to them over there and was set there.

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I thought it interesting that it was also a love story. This time he plays a gigolo after the beautiful girl's money. But then he really falls in love with her. I think of it as a spoof version of Liasons Dangereuse which didn't come out til 1988.

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beachy said:

One part of the puzzle I haven't figured out is UTCM.

In PR, the woman was Vanity, that was clear.

In UTCM, the woman's part was supposed to be played by Susannah, but she couldn't act so Prince sent her home (!) and hired Kristin Scott Thomas.

So is UTCM autobiographical as well? If so what does it tell us about him and his relationships? This is also when he wrote SISIA. What does that song really mean? Any one have a clue?

I have not seen UTCM but I will go and look to see what the plot to that movie was. Didn't Prince's father co-write the song UTCM? I thought I read that somewhere. If so, could that movie have something to do with one of his father's relationships? I never understood Prince's relationship with Susannah so if UTCM is about her, then there should be some discernable plot.

beachy said:

GeniusLuv said:

Nikki Sixx said in his book he remembered a time after he and Vanity got 2gether when she came home to her apartment and Prince had sent her flowers, i believe several to fill the room and he wrote her a letter that saying something like ''Dump him now! I want you to take me back...'' Nikki said she met up with Prince after that...

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I'm not sure what happened of ourse..i know he said he and Vanity broke up after that.......i also read other times, he sent flowers and tried to get her back but once she suddenly got married to the football player i think that all changed...

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Then he suddenly married Mayte right after that..so i don't know 4 sure, i think they had many more ''moments'' together that we don't know about over the years..even whenn she was in the hospital..he sent flowers...

ok yeah I have that book by Nikki, those words were attached to a card that came with the roses.

I know he also sent her roses in 1994 when she nearly died.

I'm sure they had many contacts we don't know about but I haven't heard of any other letters. I think he'd be scared to write them because they could become public if they fall into the wrong hands people trying to make a buck but who knows.

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I was just watching The Beautiful Experience which was done in April 1994 (smeone posted it to YT) and Mayte was on stage dancing with Prince like she was already his official partner. I'm sure this display did not sit well with Vanity. I don't really blame her for marrying without telling Prince, she probably also wanted kids and was in her mid 30s. I heard she could not have any because of her kidney problems etc.

Anyone have the date in 1994 when she OD'd? maybe it was a response to Prince's public cavortings with Mayte.

[Edited 5/16/16 8:05am]

Prince had so many women, and several at the same time..she knew that..she said it and she maried first, he got married AFTER she did..so i don't know how affected she was by Mayte?? Vanity knew with Prince, these women didn't last....

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As far as letters...he liked to do that and did with different women...Carmen Electra just posted recently a letter Prince wrote her recently saying something about her ''liking him again...'' and sent the tape of The Most Beautiful Woman in The World song to her as well..implying it was about her.....

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Theres a thread on here about it, if you look..the letter is posted as well.

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Carmen even said I'm sure he told many women that!!! Ohhh that Prince

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[Edited 5/16/16 8:19am]

GeniusLuv said:

beachy said:

ok yeah I have that book by Nikki, those words were attached to a card that came with the roses.

I know he also sent her roses in 1994 when she nearly died.

I'm sure they had many contacts we don't know about but I haven't heard of any other letters. I think he'd be scared to write them because they could become public if they fall into the wrong hands people trying to make a buck but who knows.

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I was just watching The Beautiful Experience which was done in April 1994 (smeone posted it to YT) and Mayte was on stage dancing with Prince like she was already his official partner. I'm sure this display did not sit well with Vanity. I don't really blame her for marrying without telling Prince, she probably also wanted kids and was in her mid 30s. I heard she could not have any because of her kidney problems etc.

Anyone have the date in 1994 when she OD'd? maybe it was a response to Prince's public cavortings with Mayte.

[Edited 5/16/16 8:05am]

Prince had so many women, and several at the same time..she knew that..she said it and she maried first, he got married AFTER she did..so i don't know how affected she was by Mayte?? Vanity knew with Prince, these women didn't last....

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As far as letters...he liked to do that and did with different women...Carmen Electra just posted recently a letter Prince wrote her recently saying something about her ''liking him again...'' and sent the tape of The Most Beautiful Woman in The World song to her as well..implying it was about her.....

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Theres a thread on here about it, if you look..the letter is posted as well.

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Carmen even said I'm sure he told many women that!!! Ohhh that Prince

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[Edited 5/16/16 8:19am]

Interesting that Carmen knows how much he plays around and flirts and STILL said Vanity was his soul mate, and Carmen never even met Vanity! makes me wonder if Prince talked to Carmen about Vanity...

GeniusLuv said:

beachy said:

its like the successful guys have too many other options, and so they have all the power.

Unless their OWN morality is such that they are monogamous, or there are dire consequences, they ain't gonna stop. even when there ARE dire consequences (think Tiger Woods etc) they risk it anyway. If you look at the number of songs where Prince refers to himself as king, and/or talks about harems, you just know he felt he was entitled.

I'm sure he thought he could replace Vanity easily enough.

[Edited 5/16/16 7:32am]

He did find maaaaaany ''lookalikes'' to fill the void, obviosly he was Prince and many of those women wanted to be stars....so why not sleep with him??? I do know that he did try to get her back, even years after she left him...he sent flowers, wrote letters, etc.

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Thats an important part of the puzzle....SHE left him, not the other way around....you always want the one you can't have...and sadly, their lives just took them into different directions.

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When she died...like he said...it was time for a new story. But unfortunately Prince didn't have much time left to start that new story....sad

Yes, he needed a new story. PR was now finished and too painful to play and revisit since it was about him and Vanity.

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

One part of the puzzle I haven't figured out is UTCM.

In PR, the woman was Vanity, that was clear.

In UTCM, the woman's part was supposed to be played by Susannah, but she couldn't act so Prince sent her home (!) and hired Kristin Scott Thomas.

So is UTCM autobiographical as well? If so what does it tell us about him and his relationships? This is also when he wrote SISIA. What does that song really mean? Any one have a clue?

I have not seen UTCM but I will go and look to see what the plot to that movie was. Didn't Prince's father co-write the song UTCM? I thought I read that somewhere. If so, could that movie have something to do with one of his father's relationships? I never understood Prince's relationship with Susannah so if UTCM is about her, then there should be some discernable plot.

I don't know alot about Susannah except she was considered very intelligent, perhaps more sophisticated in some ways than Prince, like knowing French etc and I believe that might be why Prince bought the apartment in Paris and why UTCM is set in France.

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But as I have come to know more about Vanity I tend to think of Susannah as a rebound. But then I think Prince developed feelings for her. Maybe that is the basis for UTCM.

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beachy said:

Could be that she was a rebound. After that relationship ended, did he try to get her back? See, that is another thing- with Vanity, he was trying to get her back. We didn't see with the other women he had relationship with or even married. Once it was over, he kept moving. With Vanity he was stuck. He wanted her back and tried- even years later. He didn't get her back so the next thing was to try and replace her.

Well I agree that Vanity was damaged from her upbringing, but I think the same was true with Prince. It was like they were these two damaged souls that probably sensed and were attracted to the vulnerability and hurt in the other (apart from having amazing chemistry - ha!). I agree with others, that it would never have worked if they had married so young (weren't they like 22 when they met?). They were both ambitious and carefree and wanting to explore the world. And I think they fell in love with each other, but to Vanity it meant that they should only be and want to be with each other and for Prince it meant something else. I do agree with what someone else said that Prince had abit of sex addiction, even as a rock star his compulsion about being involved with multiple women all the time was abit much.

I think that Prince's inability to be faithful to Vanity was almost like emotional abuse to her, because she loved him, but by her own admission had alot of insecurities. So even though he loved her and probably told her so and wrote songs for her etc. his actions (fooling around with other women) probably made her feel like his feelings weren't as deep as hers and that she wasn't enough for him. I think she left him partly because of the Purple Rain and the money etc. but also because she needed to get away from the relationship. As she herself said, "I needed one person to love me, and he needed more." Knowing that was true probably hurt her a great deal!!

I think a few years later, after they split, they probably both realized that they had shared something really special and they shouldn't have been so cavalier about it all. I think Vanity didn't think Prince would ever change (and why would she as she would have seen the revolving door of women in his life from 1983 -1987/ 1990) and that's why she wouldn't go back to him.

Vanity was the only woman who really challenged Prince. They met while they were both so young, before he became really famous. They were both ambitious and charismatic and beautiful and had the world at their feet. Vanity had been modelling in Japan, so she hadn't even heard of Prince when she met him. And Vanity gave as good as she got!

Both the ex-wives were "fan girls" - both were alot younger than Prince and I'm sure he exerted alot of control over them. But Vanity was his equal, she balked at his efforts at control, she wanted to make a name for herself, she wasn't satisfied to be in his shadow or to only do what he wanted her to do, she challenged him and she eventually left him. She was a one of a kind!

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

I don't know alot about Susannah except she was considered very intelligent, perhaps more sophisticated in some ways than Prince, like knowing French etc and I believe that might be why Prince bought the apartment in Paris and why UTCM is set in France.

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But as I have come to know more about Vanity I tend to think of Susannah as a rebound. But then I think Prince developed feelings for her. Maybe that is the basis for UTCM.

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Could be that she was a rebound. After that relationship ended, did he try to get her back? See, that is another thing- with Vanity, he was trying to get her back. We didn't see with the other women he had relationship with or even married. Once it was over, he kept moving. With Vanity he was stuck. He wanted her back and tried- even years later. He didn't get her back so the next thing was to try and replace her.

I don't know except in 1987, when Vanity was with Nikki, she went to visit him on tour when he played MPLS then she stayed behind to see Prince. The outcome of that I don't know but she was engaged at the time. In the book The Vault, it says that in early August Susannah was seen in MPLS with Prince's father at one of his gigs. Nikki broke up with Vanity after that. In September Prince was in LA for some kind of award, which happened to be the same night that Vanity shows up drunk/high/crazy at Nikki's place. Maybe Prince was upset that Vanity was engaged, maybe there was a brief reconcilation with Susannah as a result, maybe Vanity was freaking out because she lost both guys, but its all maybe's. That's all I got.

kellyna said:

Well I agree that Vanity was damaged from her upbringing, but I think the same was true with Prince. It was like they were these two damaged souls that probably sensed and were attracted to the vulnerability and hurt in the other (apart from having amazing chemistry - ha!). I agree with others, that it would never have worked if they had married so young (weren't they like 22 when they met?). They were both ambitious and carefree and wanting to explore the world. And I think they fell in love with each other, but to Vanity it meant that they should only be and want to be with each other and for Prince it meant something else. I do agree with what someone else said that Prince had abit of sex addiction, even as a rock star his compulsion about being involved with multiple women all the time was abit much.

I think that Prince's inability to be faithful to Vanity was almost like emotional abuse to her, because she loved him, but by her own admission had alot of insecurities. So even though he loved her and probably told her so and wrote songs for her etc. his actions (fooling around with other women) probably made her feel like his feelings weren't as deep as hers and that she wasn't enough for him. I think she left him partly because of the Purple Rain and the money etc. but also because she needed to get away from the relationship. As she herself said, "I needed one person to love me, and he needed more." Knowing that was true probably hurt her a great deal!!

I think a few years later, after they split, they probably both realized that they had shared something really special and they shouldn't have been so cavalier about it all. I think Vanity didn't think Prince would ever change (and why would she as she would have seen the revolving door of women in his life from 1983 -1987/ 1990) and that's why she wouldn't go back to him.

Vanity was the only woman who really challenged Prince. They met while they were both so young, before he became really famous. They were both ambitious and charismatic and beautiful and had the world at their feet. Vanity had been modelling in Japan, so she hadn't even heard of Prince when she met him. And Vanity gave as good as she got!

Both the ex-wives were "fan girls" - both were alot younger than Prince and I'm sure he exerted alot of control over them. But Vanity was his equal, she balked at his efforts at control, she wanted to make a name for herself, she wasn't satisfied to be in his shadow or to only do what he wanted her to do, she challenged him and she eventually left him. She was a one of a kind!

beachy said:

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said: Could be that she was a rebound. After that relationship ended, did he try to get her back? See, that is another thing- with Vanity, he was trying to get her back. We didn't see with the other women he had relationship with or even married. Once it was over, he kept moving. With Vanity he was stuck. He wanted her back and tried- even years later. He didn't get her back so the next thing was to try and replace her.

I don't know except in 1987, when Vanity was with Nikki, she went to visit him on tour when he played MPLS then she stayed behind to see Prince. The outcome of that I don't know but she was engaged at the time. In the book The Vault, it says that in early August Susannah was seen in MPLS with Prince's father at one of his gigs. Nikki broke up with Vanity after that. In September Prince was in LA for some kind of award, which happened to be the same night that Vanity shows up drunk/high/crazy at Nikki's place. Maybe Prince was upset that Vanity was engaged, maybe there was a brief reconcilation with Susannah as a result, maybe Vanity was freaking out because she lost both guys, but its all maybe's. That's all I got.

I haven't read the Nikki's book so when he discusses going to Vanity's apartment and seeing it full of flowers with the "I want you back/take me back" note from Prince, was this after she visited Nikki on tour in MPLS and stayed to see Prince? IMO, a man that sends flowers to his ex, asking her to take him back/ he wants her back, usually occurs after a meeting of the minds & bodies. Again, purely speculation, I have no facts. When Vanity did not take him back, back to Susannah he went and Nikki new something had happened- so he dropped Vanity.

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

I don't know except in 1987, when Vanity was with Nikki, she went to visit him on tour when he played MPLS then she stayed behind to see Prince. The outcome of that I don't know but she was engaged at the time. In the book The Vault, it says that in early August Susannah was seen in MPLS with Prince's father at one of his gigs. Nikki broke up with Vanity after that. In September Prince was in LA for some kind of award, which happened to be the same night that Vanity shows up drunk/high/crazy at Nikki's place. Maybe Prince was upset that Vanity was engaged, maybe there was a brief reconcilation with Susannah as a result, maybe Vanity was freaking out because she lost both guys, but its all maybe's. That's all I got.

I haven't read the Nikki's book so when he discusses going to Vanity's apartment and seeing it full of flowers with the "I want you back/take me back" note from Prince, was this after she visited Nikki on tour in MPLS and stayed to see Prince? IMO, a man that sends flowers to his ex, asking her to take him back/ he wants her back, usually occurs after a meeting of the minds & bodies. Again, purely speculation, I have no facts. When Vanity did not take him back, back to Susannah he went and Nikki new something had happened- so he dropped Vanity.

Prince had been in LA for around a week in Jan 1987, and shortly after this like within a week is when she got the flowers with a note. She had been seeing Nikki since the year before. My guess is that Vanity and Prince hooked up while he was in LA.

Vanity got engaged to Nikki in April.

Sometime in June or July she visited Nikki in MPLS and stayed to see Prince longer.

Aug - Susannah is around, Nikki breaks up with Vanity

Sept - Prince is in LA for an award, Vanity jumps Nikki same night, then asks if they can watch a movie together and they stay together for a few days.

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according to my memory.

beachy said:

purplegirl00 said:

I haven't read the Nikki's book so when he discusses going to Vanity's apartment and seeing it full of flowers with the "I want you back/take me back" note from Prince, was this after she visited Nikki on tour in MPLS and stayed to see Prince? IMO, a man that sends flowers to his ex, asking her to take him back/ he wants her back, usually occurs after a meeting of the minds & bodies. Again, purely speculation, I have no facts. When Vanity did not take him back, back to Susannah he went and Nikki new something had happened- so he dropped Vanity.

Prince had been in LA for around a week in Jan 1987, and shortly after this like within a week is when she got the flowers with a note. She had been seeing Nikki since the year before. My guess is that Vanity and Prince hooked up while he was in LA.

Vanity got engaged to Nikki in April.

Sometime in June or July she visited Nikki in MPLS and stayed to see Prince longer.

Aug - Susannah is around, Nikki breaks up with Vanity

Sept - Prince is in LA for an award, Vanity jumps Nikki same night, then asks if they can watch a movie together and they stay together for a few days.

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according to my memory.

I'm guessing the same thing- they hooked up while he was in LA. Maybe also again, in June/July when she stayed behind in MPLS to see him during Nikki's tour? She was engaged to Nikki by then though. My feeling, and again PURE speculation- no facts, is that this occurred several times up until she got married. Who knows.

beachy said:

purplegirl00 said:

I haven't read the Nikki's book so when he discusses going to Vanity's apartment and seeing it full of flowers with the "I want you back/take me back" note from Prince, was this after she visited Nikki on tour in MPLS and stayed to see Prince? IMO, a man that sends flowers to his ex, asking her to take him back/ he wants her back, usually occurs after a meeting of the minds & bodies. Again, purely speculation, I have no facts. When Vanity did not take him back, back to Susannah he went and Nikki new something had happened- so he dropped Vanity.

Prince had been in LA for around a week in Jan 1987, and shortly after this like within a week is when she got the flowers with a note. She had been seeing Nikki since the year before. My guess is that Vanity and Prince hooked up while he was in LA.

Vanity got engaged to Nikki in April.

Sometime in June or July she visited Nikki in MPLS and stayed to see Prince longer.

Aug - Susannah is around, Nikki breaks up with Vanity

Sept - Prince is in LA for an award, Vanity jumps Nikki same night, then asks if they can watch a movie together and they stay together for a few days.

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according to my memory.

Vanitys birthday was also in January..so could have been a birthday type meeting or celebration as well

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

Prince had been in LA for around a week in Jan 1987, and shortly after this like within a week is when she got the flowers with a note. She had been seeing Nikki since the year before. My guess is that Vanity and Prince hooked up while he was in LA.

Vanity got engaged to Nikki in April.

Sometime in June or July she visited Nikki in MPLS and stayed to see Prince longer.

Aug - Susannah is around, Nikki breaks up with Vanity

Sept - Prince is in LA for an award, Vanity jumps Nikki same night, then asks if they can watch a movie together and they stay together for a few days.

.

according to my memory.

I'm guessing the same thing- they hooked up while he was in LA. Maybe also again, in June/July when she stayed behind in MPLS to see him during Nikki's tour? She was engaged to Nikki by then though. My feeling, and again PURE speculation- no facts, is that this occurred several times up until she got married. Who knows.

Nikki said on the Howard Stern radio/tv show a few years ago that they were NEVER engaged..vanity was very high and very all over the place and went around telling everyone she was going to be VANITY (6) SIXX AGAIN..she tols arsenio hall that, but Nikki said he never gave her a ring..never proposed..she was just really out of her mind with all the drug use..its on YOUTUBE you can look it up.

GeniusLuv said:

purplegirl00 said:

I'm guessing the same thing- they hooked up while he was in LA. Maybe also again, in June/July when she stayed behind in MPLS to see him during Nikki's tour? She was engaged to Nikki by then though. My feeling, and again PURE speculation- no facts, is that this occurred several times up until she got married. Who knows.

Nikki said on the Howard Stern radio/tv show a few years ago that they were NEVER engaged..vanity was very high and very all over the place and went around telling everyone she was going to be VANITY (6) SIXX AGAIN..she tols arsenio hall that, but Nikki said he never gave her a ring..never proposed..she was just really out of her mind with all the drug use..its on YOUTUBE you can look it up.

I think he's lying because he admits in the book they were engaged and another band member saw him flush a ring down the toilet. I think he's trying to project a tough guy image here but he had been trying to meet her for years before it was finally arranged through their managers in 86 then people said he was gaga over her. My guess is that his pride was hurt because it was clear to him that Vanity was still in love with Prince, and so he gets his own back by saying this crap. There's a whole thread on it here on the org.

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He also says in the book that he thinks Vanity sent the flowers to herself as a way of getting him jealous. But later in the book he calls Prince 'Dozen Roses Boy'. He's just trying to make the story more interesting and make himself come out on top.

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GeniusLuv said:

beachy said:

Prince had been in LA for around a week in Jan 1987, and shortly after this like within a week is when she got the flowers with a note. She had been seeing Nikki since the year before. My guess is that Vanity and Prince hooked up while he was in LA.

Vanity got engaged to Nikki in April.

Sometime in June or July she visited Nikki in MPLS and stayed to see Prince longer.

Aug - Susannah is around, Nikki breaks up with Vanity

Sept - Prince is in LA for an award, Vanity jumps Nikki same night, then asks if they can watch a movie together and they stay together for a few days.

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according to my memory.

Vanitys birthday was also in January..so could have been a birthday type meeting or celebration as well

True! I think there was a lot of going back and forth for awhile, and each time, both left in disappointment. Perhaps she thought, he's changed and then realized he was still hitting with several women at one time. Then maybe he thought, finally, she'll come back to me, but then she didn't.

Was "I love you but I don't trust you anymore" said to have been about Vanity? I heard this somewhere. I was just looking at the lyrics and in there he says, "I remember meeting U here in the good ol' days, I would never pick the flower of my favourite protege, Maybe if I would have
Then U would not treat me this way, U tricked me - but U will not anymore"

What does the bold mean?