GeniusLuv said:

purplegirl00 said:

I heard this one a couple of weeks ago. It's interesting that she laughs off the question intially and then says that there are friends that she talks to but that's a private matter. Then she lists the others by name.

This interview is from April of last year. Her health took the downturn in September (according to her FB) and she knew that the complication was fatal. I wonder if she called Prince and others and said her "goodbyes".

I am convinced they were in contact before she died, especially because he wasn't married and there just seems to be enough info out there that says they were in contact..and yes i believe they did speak before she died..maybe thats why he was so emotional at his concert the day after she died..thye must have exchanged their ''i love you'' and ''i'm sorry'' to one another..little did either know he'd be joinging her shortly...ugggggggh! My heart.

Those must have been terribly difficult conversation(s) if they indeed took place (as I suspect they did). Are there any recent pictures of her out there?

Here are photos of Denise some recent, some not......

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=denise+matthews+photos+2015&qpvt=denise+matthews+photos+2015&qpvt=denise+matthews+photos+2015&qpvt=denise+matthews+photos+2015&FORM=IGRE

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TopazGirl said:

beachy said:

Hi Topaz

You can sure look at it that way if you want. It really all boils down to a difference in belief systems. In your belief system, there is no higher spiritual connection or purpose in romantic relationships and all boils down to chance, initiative, and fate. The confluence of both random and planned attempts rather than a higher purpose. I would just point out that Prince himself was very religious and believed in some kind of supernatural power. He gave significance to numbers (esp 7), and even told Vanity that they had been each other in another life. There's no scientific way to explain that sense of knowing, it is part of the mystery of life. While I personally don't believe there is necessarily one person who was meant to be with another in life, I certainly have no reason to not believe it either, even if for many people it does not appear to be true. For me Prince and Vanity appeared to have a special relationship based on their own sense of recognition of it. Whether it was ordained to be that way in the heavens I cannot say because it is beyond my knowledge. I cannot deny however that their lives paralleled or mirrored each other in ways beyond that of any other woman and Prince.

At any rate, I think we all understand your POV and thank you for sharing. But I doubt you will change anyone's beliefs, especially since in your world, there is not alot of meaning or emotional comfort to be had. And it might contradict the personal experience of some. The rational argument is kind of dead in the water, ie it makes discussions like this pointless.

I allow that earlier in life Prince may have felt that all women, including Vanity, were replaceable and expendable, much like his character in PR he had got along without others before and didn't need them. But if you look at the lyrics to his very recent song Revelation, he appears to now believe that there is a relationship that was meant to be, and hearkened back to ancient Egypt. It's only speculation because all lyrics are ambiguous but he seems to be saying time meant nothing because in a past life they were together.

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Hello Beachy, My comment was a natural response to a contrasting opinion. This is not to take away from anyone who thinks their relationship remained special throughout his life, because those opinions are just as valid. I felt my response comment (above) was respectful and I didn't make any references to statements, song lyrics, or speculation to convince anyone into agreeing with me nor did I bring anyone's personal spiritual beliefs into it. My thoughts aren't meant to offend anyone so I tried to speak my opinion but still in a way keep it neutral.

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I respect your opinion, and support that everyone should feel they can express those opinions. And you are right, it is beyond our knowledge to know the answers which is why I tried to base my thoughts on things I felt were clear (to me, not in reference to everyone else) rather than events that were uncertain (again, just to me). Thank you and please know my thoughts and responses do not come from a place of animosity. I'm the peace maker, truly.

oh of COURSE Topaz I didn't take them any other way, and I fully respect your opinion. I just felt like I had to respond to make sure you knew we heard you, because you had already stated your opinion many times and no one else was really getting back with you. Please know that we heard you, we understood you, and we respect your right to your opinion. I was just trying to be polite, there is no need to get defensive. We're all just fans in mourning trying to comfort each other. Take care as we each mourn in our own way. blessings.

GeniusLuv said:

purplegirl00 said:

I heard this one a couple of weeks ago. It's interesting that she laughs off the question intially and then says that there are friends that she talks to but that's a private matter. Then she lists the others by name.

This interview is from April of last year. Her health took the downturn in September (according to her FB) and she knew that the complication was fatal. I wonder if she called Prince and others and said her "goodbyes".

I am convinced they were in contact before she died, especially because he wasn't married and there just seems to be enough info out there that says they were in contact..and yes i believe they did speak before she died..maybe thats why he was so emotional at his concert the day after she died..thye must have exchanged their ''i love you'' and ''i'm sorry'' to one another..little did either know he'd be joinging her shortly...ugggggggh! My heart.

I hope that's true, and wish we had some confirmation.

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

Maybe she was holding out for a commitment?

Either that or she did not want to go back to MPLS.

Or she did not think he would change, as she said in her diary?

I think she was holding out thinking eventually he would commit. I just watched one of her preaching videos from a few years back. She mentioned Prince and she said everyone always asked her if she left Prince and then she says, "I gave up Prince for the Prince of Peace" and at that moment you hear her voice crack a little while she wipes a tear from under glasses. This video is with the one posted of her on with Bill O'Reilly up above. The video is about an hour long and the camera is above her. She was truly a sweet and funny lady, still beautiful too.

Oh and she does mention that when she first had her come to Jesus moment, that she was still kinda slipping back and forth to the "worldly" and still had a couple of fornication moments. She said that her pastors (Harpers) admitted to her a while after, that they were afraid to have her in their church for fear that she would ruin their community (through fornicating I am assuming). So her conversion did not make her squeaky clean at first. I wonder who she had "fornicating" incidents with?

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Clearly she was still in love with him and tryng desperately to 'stick with the program' ie the evangelical solution. not working 100% for her. She would have ran back to him in a flash if he had whistled. and given up other women.

purplegirl00 said:

GeniusLuv said:

I am convinced they were in contact before she died, especially because he wasn't married and there just seems to be enough info out there that says they were in contact..and yes i believe they did speak before she died..maybe thats why he was so emotional at his concert the day after she died..thye must have exchanged their ''i love you'' and ''i'm sorry'' to one another..little did either know he'd be joinging her shortly...ugggggggh! My heart.

Those must have been terribly difficult conversation(s) if they indeed took place (as I suspect they did). Are there any recent pictures of her out there?

The only snippets I heard was Vanity's statement in that 1994ish video that she gotten flowers from him in the hospital but now their relationship was different and implying he was a sinner, the 3rd party rumor that they met around 95/96 and it went badly and he wrote DWD in response, the report that she attended one of his concerts in 1997 (and presumably met with him), Mani's statements that she had 'interactions' with her and a separate report that Prince was paying for some of her medical bills in the early 2000s, and her statement in 2007 that they talked occasionally but she wanted to see his face and was waiting for God to supranaturally hook them up.

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Am I missing any details or other meetings?

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beachy said:

TopazGirl said:

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Hello Beachy, My comment was a natural response to a contrasting opinion. This is not to take away from anyone who thinks their relationship remained special throughout his life, because those opinions are just as valid. I felt my response comment (above) was respectful and I didn't make any references to statements, song lyrics, or speculation to convince anyone into agreeing with me nor did I bring anyone's personal spiritual beliefs into it. My thoughts aren't meant to offend anyone so I tried to speak my opinion but still in a way keep it neutral.

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I respect your opinion, and support that everyone should feel they can express those opinions. And you are right, it is beyond our knowledge to know the answers which is why I tried to base my thoughts on things I felt were clear (to me, not in reference to everyone else) rather than events that were uncertain (again, just to me). Thank you and please know my thoughts and responses do not come from a place of animosity. I'm the peace maker, truly.

oh of COURSE Topaz I didn't take them any other way, and I fully respect your opinion. I just felt like I had to respond to make sure you knew we heard you, because you had already stated your opinion many times and no one else was really getting back with you. Please know that we heard you, we understood you, and we respect your right to your opinion. I was just trying to be polite, there is no need to get defensive. We're all just fans in mourning trying to comfort each other. Take care as we each mourn in our own way. blessings.

Yes, definitely! I'm sorry if you felt ignored TopazGirl! I definitely respect your opinion and it's just as valid as anyone else's. We are all trying to make sense of this sad situation of Prince's premature passing. We all have theories, but in the end we may never know for sure what happened aside from the picture the media presents. This thread points to Prince's grief over Vanity as being ONE of the factors in his death because the timing of their deaths is suspect. To many of us, their deaths were too close to be a mere coincidence. In some way, it brings a measure of comfort. as you process this and grieve.

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

oh of COURSE Topaz I didn't take them any other way, and I fully respect your opinion. I just felt like I had to respond to make sure you knew we heard you, because you had already stated your opinion many times and no one else was really getting back with you. Please know that we heard you, we understood you, and we respect your right to your opinion. I was just trying to be polite, there is no need to get defensive. We're all just fans in mourning trying to comfort each other. Take care as we each mourn in our own way. blessings.

Yes, definitely! I'm sorry if you felt ignored TopazGirl! I definitely respect your opinion and it's just as valid as anyone else's. We are all trying to make sense of this sad situation of Prince's premature passing. We all have theories, but in the end we may never know for sure what happened aside from the picture the media presents. This thread points to Prince's grief over Vanity as being ONE of the factors in his death because the timing of their deaths is suspect. To many of us, their deaths were too close to be a mere coincidence. In some way, it brings a measure of comfort. as you process this and grieve.

Yes I concur and yes Topaz we know you find the timing of their deaths to be mere coincidence. We get it. If so, then there is nothing left to say about it, is there? If there is some connection, that's what we are trying to explore. Peace to all. I find it interesting that Prince said he was talking to the dead in his dreams after Bowie died. I wonder if he was talking to Vanity in his dreams after she died? I wonder if that is the conversation he had with Dez that Dez will never reveal? Inquiring minds want to know!

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beachy said:

GeniusLuv said:

I am convinced they were in contact before she died, especially because he wasn't married and there just seems to be enough info out there that says they were in contact..and yes i believe they did speak before she died..maybe thats why he was so emotional at his concert the day after she died..thye must have exchanged their ''i love you'' and ''i'm sorry'' to one another..little did either know he'd be joinging her shortly...ugggggggh! My heart.

I hope that's true, and wish we had some confirmation.

I wish we had some confirmation too. If the person (s) who inherit Prince's estate ever publish the 50 pages of his memoir that were said to have been written, we may know. Still, he lived 57 years so if he started at the beginning of his life, maybe not. Some of the inner circle people may know too. The last thing Apples wrote on her FB & Twitter indicated to me that she knows something of what was going on with him. In that post, she thanks everyone for their support in this difficult time and that she wants to honor and continue to respect Prince's preference for privacy. When she is ready and the time is appropriate, she will share what's in her heart and her truth. She was keeping close tabs on him at the end. Maybe she knows something we don't-whether it be his state of mind during those final days- depression, increased painkiller use, grieving over Denise, etc.

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

I hope that's true, and wish we had some confirmation.

I wish we had some confirmation too. If the person (s) who inherit Prince's estate ever publish the 50 pages of his memoir that were said to have been written, we may know. Still, he lived 57 years so if he started at the beginning of his life, maybe not. Some of the inner circle people may know too. The last thing Apples wrote on her FB & Twitter indicated to me that she knows something of what was going on with him. In that post, she thanks everyone for their support in this difficult time and that she wants to honor and continue to respect Prince's preference for privacy. When she is ready and the time is appropriate, she will share what's in her heart and her truth. She was keeping close tabs on him at the end. Maybe she knows something we don't-whether it be his state of mind during those final days- depression, increased painkiller use, grieving over Denise, etc.

That makes 3 people, all close friends that so far have intimated they know the probable cause of death. Sheila E, Lenny Kravitz and now Apples. No one is saying a word. And Dez said he talked to Prince a few weeks back and would never disclose what was said.

beachy said:

purplegirl00 said:

I wish we had some confirmation too. If the person (s) who inherit Prince's estate ever publish the 50 pages of his memoir that were said to have been written, we may know. Still, he lived 57 years so if he started at the beginning of his life, maybe not. Some of the inner circle people may know too. The last thing Apples wrote on her FB & Twitter indicated to me that she knows something of what was going on with him. In that post, she thanks everyone for their support in this difficult time and that she wants to honor and continue to respect Prince's preference for privacy. When she is ready and the time is appropriate, she will share what's in her heart and her truth. She was keeping close tabs on him at the end. Maybe she knows something we don't-whether it be his state of mind during those final days- depression, increased painkiller use, grieving over Denise, etc.

That makes 3 people, all close friends that so far have intimated they know the probable cause of death. Sheila E, Lenny Kravitz and now Apples. No one is saying a word. And Dez said he talked to Prince a few weeks back and would never disclose what was said.

Yep, Sheila and Apples both headed to Minneapolis as soon as they got word that he died. Both went over there to get answers as to why he had died. Then the second day, Sheila did an interview and when asked if she knew why, she said that now she knew but that she couldn't say. Everyone will be keeping mum, I think. I wonder if they had to sign some sort of contract keeping privacy. Who knows.

GeniusLuv said:

Here are photos of Denise some recent, some not......

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=denise+matthews+photos+2015&qpvt=denise+matthews+photos+2015&qpvt=denise+matthews+photos+2015&qpvt=denise+matthews+photos+2015&FORM=IGRE

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I saw the one where she is wearing the sunglasses with the white & black dress on her facebook. Still very beautiful. The first one, on the upper left, short hair and sunglasses looks recent too.

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

That makes 3 people, all close friends that so far have intimated they know the probable cause of death. Sheila E, Lenny Kravitz and now Apples. No one is saying a word. And Dez said he talked to Prince a few weeks back and would never disclose what was said.

Yep, Sheila and Apples both headed to Minneapolis as soon as they got word that he died. Both went over there to get answers as to why he had died. Then the second day, Sheila did an interview and when asked if she knew why, she said that now she knew but that she couldn't say. Everyone will be keeping mum, I think. I wonder if they had to sign some sort of contract keeping privacy. Who knows.

I have a feeling they are waiting for the autopsy results..the OFFICIAL word to be said..when its made public, then they will be able to speak about it.

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I doubt the coroner was made to sign something by Prince b4 he died to not spill the beans

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We will know thw truth then, if its a specific thing that they all knew of..then the autopsy would show it.

I like this one of her the best.

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http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=denise+matthews+photos+2015&view=detailv2&qpvt=denise+matthews+photos+2015&id=4FA6B6CD70F7CBEFB819D9B3AF11BD7CE789B08B&selectedIndex=9&ccid=OMSOxnaM&simid=607992423203539874&thid=OIP.M38c48ec6768c9a98ed16f7e11027c29bo2&ajaxhist=0

GeniusLuv said:

purplegirl00 said:

Yep, Sheila and Apples both headed to Minneapolis as soon as they got word that he died. Both went over there to get answers as to why he had died. Then the second day, Sheila did an interview and when asked if she knew why, she said that now she knew but that she couldn't say. Everyone will be keeping mum, I think. I wonder if they had to sign some sort of contract keeping privacy. Who knows.

I have a feeling they are waiting for the autopsy results..the OFFICIAL word to be said..when its made public, then they will be able to speak about it.

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I doubt the coroner was made to sign something by Prince b4 he died to not spill the beans

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We will know thw truth then, if its a specific thing that they all knew of..then the autopsy would show it.

That does make sense. If it turns out that it was due to increased painkiller use, hopefully, those people in the inner circle will be able to elaborate on his state of mind. Although, I don't think it will take away from the media circus that will come.

GeniusLuv said:

I like this one of her the best.

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http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=denise+matthews+photos+2015&view=detailv2&qpvt=denise+matthews+photos+2015&id=4FA6B6CD70F7CBEFB819D9B3AF11BD7CE789B08B&selectedIndex=9&ccid=OMSOxnaM&simid=607992423203539874&thid=OIP.M38c48ec6768c9a98ed16f7e11027c29bo2&ajaxhist=0

I like that one too. She looked mature but yet still beautiful.

purplegirl00 said:

GeniusLuv said:

I have a feeling they are waiting for the autopsy results..the OFFICIAL word to be said..when its made public, then they will be able to speak about it.

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I doubt the coroner was made to sign something by Prince b4 he died to not spill the beans

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We will know thw truth then, if its a specific thing that they all knew of..then the autopsy would show it.

That does make sense. If it turns out that it was due to increased painkiller use, hopefully, those people in the inner circle will be able to elaborate on his state of mind. Although, I don't think it will take away from the media circus that will come.

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I can't help but feel he had a condition, disease and/or a situation that he was dealing with and with doctors/friends help trying to cure it/deal with..or just make himself numb to it, do i think painkillers were involved......yes, because most conditions and diseases are accompanied by pain, sometimes debilatating pain..so yes i believe he had a serious condition that he was dealing with any people close to him knew about it..the pain meds usage just adds to it and unfortunately his death.

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This is just my gut feeling though.

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Has it been 4 weeks yet

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GeniusLuv said:

purplegirl00 said:

That does make sense. If it turns out that it was due to increased painkiller use, hopefully, those people in the inner circle will be able to elaborate on his state of mind. Although, I don't think it will take away from the media circus that will come.

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I can't help but feel he had a condition, disease and/or a situation that he was dealing with and with doctors/friends help trying to cure it/deal with..or just make himself numb to it, do i think painkillers were involved......yes, because most conditions and diseases are accompanied by pain, sometimes debilatating pain..so yes i believe he had a serious condition that he was dealing with any people close to him knew about it..the pain meds usage just adds to it and unfortunately his death.

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This is just my gut feeling though.

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Has it been 4 weeks yet

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I have been thinking that too. He was having some sort of health crisis/ illness which he was trying to deal with in secret, perhaps. I also think he was depressed which made taking care of himself properly, difficult.

That's interesting I saw the interview where Sheila E said she had an idea of why he died, but wouldn't provide details. I didn't know that Lenny Kravitz said something similar as well. And I never heard that Dez said he would never talk about his last conversation with Prince. I think they were probably all just protecting his privacy, which is what good friends do. I agree that once the autopsy report is complete and made public, we may find out that Prince was battling some kind of illness.

I also find it interesting that Prince was dreaming of having conversations with people who had died in the months before his death. I can't recall but there was some other celebrity who had said something simiilar before their death (for the life of me I can't remember who it was) but it was a very similar comment that friends remarked on after their death.

I remember seeing the twitter where Denise talked about her new heatlh complication, but did they did her that it was terminal? I didn't read that anywhere?

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purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

oh of COURSE Topaz I didn't take them any other way, and I fully respect your opinion. I just felt like I had to respond to make sure you knew we heard you, because you had already stated your opinion many times and no one else was really getting back with you. Please know that we heard you, we understood you, and we respect your right to your opinion. I was just trying to be polite, there is no need to get defensive. We're all just fans in mourning trying to comfort each other. Take care as we each mourn in our own way. blessings.

Yes, definitely! I'm sorry if you felt ignored TopazGirl! I definitely respect your opinion and it's just as valid as anyone else's. We are all trying to make sense of this sad situation of Prince's premature passing. We all have theories, but in the end we may never know for sure what happened aside from the picture the media presents. This thread points to Prince's grief over Vanity as being ONE of the factors in his death because the timing of their deaths is suspect. To many of us, their deaths were too close to be a mere coincidence. In some way, it brings a measure of comfort. as you process this and grieve.

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Thank you everyone and hugs all around

Back in the day, I liked Prince with Vanity. My romantic heart likes to believe in a soul mate connection. And I do. However, the meaning of a soul mate connection doesn't always translate into a union of "marriage" or even a happily ever after. Maybe in a karmic sense the journey btw Prince and Vanity wasn't about "happily ever after"? Maybe Prince and Vanity's relationship was a kindred spirits bond & karmically that was the purpose of their time together. That said, first thing I want to say in terms of Prince's ex-lovers now his close female friends, is the way he continued to watch over and care for them. Such a classy man. I really found that quality in him one of his sexiest. When I look over Prince's harem of women since day one, his constant was to be surrounded by young beautiful women of all ethnic races. Prince was an alpha male. A sexy gifted musician till his passing. And like all rockstars, he engaged in a certain type of lifestyle. It doesn't surprise me one bit he always desired the company of a certain type of female beauty especially later in life. It kept him feeling young and inspired creatively. I read this Prince qoute the other day; "Prince has claimed he only wants to work with young musicians by claiming: "I don't have time for old people." Thats quite a bold statement. I even get it. Even though he's speaks in a work sense, I believe he applied this mindset in his social and sexual life. My opinion of course, but I just don't think Prince had intentions of reuniting with Vanity later on in life. Early on I think the likelihood was very possible, but as time matched on, I do believe he moved on from the idea for obvious reasons. Sometimes things are meant to be and sometimes not. We can all relate with that theory in many areas of our lives especially in terms of lovers. There you have it. May they both RIP in the afterlife. Amen.

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kellyna said:

That's interesting I saw the interview where Sheila E said she had an idea of why he died, but wouldn't provide details. I didn't know that Lenny Kravitz said something similar as well. And I never heard that Dez said he would never talk about his last conversation with Prince. I think they were probably all just protecting his privacy, which is what good friends do. I agree that once the autopsy report is complete and made public, we may find out that Prince was battling some kind of illness.

I also find it interesting that Prince was dreaming of having conversations with people who had died in the months before his death. I can't recall but there was some other celebrity who had said something simiilar before their death (for the life of me I can't remember who it was) but it was a very similar comment that friends remarked on after their death.

I remember seeing the twitter where Denise talked about her new heatlh complication, but did they did her that it was terminal? I didn't read that anywhere?

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In her facebook post of Sept. 27th, she does not come right out and say that it was fatal. It is a long post, and while reading it, I got the impression she was told that it was fatal based on some of the things she said. I should've put it that way instead.

kellyna said:

That's interesting I saw the interview where Sheila E said she had an idea of why he died, but wouldn't provide details. I didn't know that Lenny Kravitz said something similar as well. And I never heard that Dez said he would never talk about his last conversation with Prince. I think they were probably all just protecting his privacy, which is what good friends do. I agree that once the autopsy report is complete and made public, we may find out that Prince was battling some kind of illness.

I also find it interesting that Prince was dreaming of having conversations with people who had died in the months before his death. I can't recall but there was some other celebrity who had said something simiilar before their death (for the life of me I can't remember who it was) but it was a very similar comment that friends remarked on after their death.

I remember seeing the twitter where Denise talked about her new heatlh complication, but did they did her that it was terminal? I didn't read that anywhere?

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Lenny did a radio interview that day and it was really sad. You could hear the shock in both Lenny and the dj's voice. I think there is a link to the interview on a post her because I listened to it.

While I do believe that Vanity's death had an effect on Prince, I keep hearing folks who were closer to Prince drop hints(it Sheila E). Also, from the Friday, the lead guy from the sheriff's department had a lot of fire in his answeres, like he knew what we all wanted to know but couldn't tell us.

I am not sure they had real contact in their final months. I remember she was very hard on Prince after her conversion. One night I thought she was going to call him the devil.

I remember that husband of her's but I never know what happened just he was gone. Now he is in prison for murder??????????????? They looked so happy in thsoe pictures and I was hoping he was going to tacke care of her. Boy he had me fooled!!!!!!

tish9311 said:

kellyna said:

That's interesting I saw the interview where Sheila E said she had an idea of why he died, but wouldn't provide details. I didn't know that Lenny Kravitz said something similar as well. And I never heard that Dez said he would never talk about his last conversation with Prince. I think they were probably all just protecting his privacy, which is what good friends do. I agree that once the autopsy report is complete and made public, we may find out that Prince was battling some kind of illness.

I also find it interesting that Prince was dreaming of having conversations with people who had died in the months before his death. I can't recall but there was some other celebrity who had said something simiilar before their death (for the life of me I can't remember who it was) but it was a very similar comment that friends remarked on after their death.

I remember seeing the twitter where Denise talked about her new heatlh complication, but did they did her that it was terminal? I didn't read that anywhere?

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Lenny did a radio interview that day and it was really sad. You could hear the shock in both Lenny and the dj's voice. I think there is a link to the interview on a post her because I listened to it.

While I do believe that Vanity's death had an effect on Prince, I keep hearing folks who were closer to Prince drop hints(it Sheila E). Also, from the Friday, the lead guy from the sheriff's department had a lot of fire in his answeres, like he knew what we all wanted to know but couldn't tell us.

I am not sure they had real contact in their final months. I remember she was very hard on Prince after her conversion. One night I thought she was going to call him the devil.

I remember that husband of her's but I never know what happened just he was gone. Now he is in prison for murder??????????????? They looked so happy in thsoe pictures and I was hoping he was going to tacke care of her. Boy he had me fooled!!!!!!

I'm curious was that in the 90s, when she had just converted? or more recently? when Vanity was hard on Prince.

beachy said:

tish9311 said:

Lenny did a radio interview that day and it was really sad. You could hear the shock in both Lenny and the dj's voice. I think there is a link to the interview on a post her because I listened to it.

While I do believe that Vanity's death had an effect on Prince, I keep hearing folks who were closer to Prince drop hints(it Sheila E). Also, from the Friday, the lead guy from the sheriff's department had a lot of fire in his answeres, like he knew what we all wanted to know but couldn't tell us.

I am not sure they had real contact in their final months. I remember she was very hard on Prince after her conversion. One night I thought she was going to call him the devil.

I remember that husband of her's but I never know what happened just he was gone. Now he is in prison for murder??????????????? They looked so happy in thsoe pictures and I was hoping he was going to tacke care of her. Boy he had me fooled!!!!!!

I'm curious was that in the 90s, when she had just converted? or more recently? when Vanity was hard on Prince.

The preaching video I just saw today was from 2012. Closer to the end, she talked a lot about forgiving her father and those that hurt her, that her heart wasn't hardened. I'm sure that included Prince. Perhaps it sounded like she was hard on him because she says she hated who she was when she was "Vanity". In some of the preaching videos, she has said that she does not blame him for her drug use. She says that she was responsible for her own actions and choices.

People have mentioned that Prince was celibate. Where/when did he say that he was and did he say what brought him to that decision? I have family that are JW and I don't remember the unmarried ones chosing celibacy.

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purplegirl00 said:

RachB65 said:

purplegirl00 said:

People have mentioned that Prince was celibate. Where/when did he say that he was and did he say what brought him to that decision? I have family that are JW and I don't remember the unmarried ones chosing celibacy.

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I believe he said that in his "lost" Rolling Stone interview from 2014..I think i may have read it elsewhere but i cant recall..I believe he didnt come out exactly and say WHY, but he mentioned how that energy gets channeled into other things, i.e, his creativity. I also think he may have said(or i read elsewhere) that JW dont have premarital sex..or something alluding to that [Edited 5/15/16 15:52pm]

Thanks! I'm going to go see if I can find it. If he indeed practiced celibacy that is a huge 360 turn for him. Something major must have happened to bring about a change like that- something spiritual, physical, or something else.

purplegirl00 said:

RachB65 said:

purplegirl00 said: I believe he said that in his "lost" Rolling Stone interview from 2014..I think i may have read it elsewhere but i cant recall..I believe he didnt come out exactly and say WHY, but he mentioned how that energy gets channeled into other things, i.e, his creativity. I also think he may have said(or i read elsewhere) that JW dont have premarital sex..or something alluding to that [Edited 5/15/16 15:52pm]

Thanks! I'm going to go see if I can find it. If he indeed practiced celibacy that is a huge 360 turn for him. Something major must have happened to bring about a change like that- something spiritual, physical, or something else.

He said that he was celibate way back in 2008 during the 21 nights tour. He interviewed with USA today and said he was single, celibate, and sexy. He claimed that he had been celibate for years. He said it was liberating. There are many threads on the org about it. It was discussed widely at time time.

30yearfan said:

purplegirl00 said:

Thanks! I'm going to go see if I can find it. If he indeed practiced celibacy that is a huge 360 turn for him. Something major must have happened to bring about a change like that- something spiritual, physical, or something else.

He said that he was celibate way back in 2008 during the 21 nights tour. He interviewed with USA today and said he was single, celibate, and sexy. He claimed that he had been celibate for years. He said it was liberating. There are many threads on the org about it. It was discussed widely at time time.

I remember that. I beleive it was a spiritual thing..probably linked to his religious beliefs, not sure what JW's believe but i remember he did say it.

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Similar path to Vanitys who DID NOT blame Prince for her drug use, she did say it was her choice....and never once did i ever hear her say it was Prince who did this to her. It actually was at its worse later, after Prince (Nikki Sixx years) where he admitted their relatinship was drug fueled..more than friendship or even sex, all they did was smoke crack 2gether..days on end! Its in Nikkis book.

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Her childhood had been haunting her she said, which was why she used drugs, and tried to push the memories down...to forget. I know the name Vanity was rejected by her because she linked it with her past of drugs, sex, excess, the devil, etc.

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Like it was said previously, she forgave her father, and all that man did to her, so if she could do that...then she had nothing but love for Prince who she only said kind things about and prayed for over the years, which she also talked about..she did worry about him she said..he acknowledged that, Vanity was worried about him in an article, around the time he got married..he was talking about Vanity.

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Even her celebration of life program they handed out at her memorial she said she always ''respected and loved Prince until the day she left us....'' She even said in JET magazine Prince was the only man she ever truly loved. Sad. 2gether eternally though.

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