tish9311 said:

Goddess4Real said:

tish9311 said:

It was in the 90's, when she was all over Christian TV. I thinked they liked the idea of Vanity preaching and they always happened to have a video not of the last dragon or her solo work but of her Vanity 6 days. But it didn't phase her not one bit, I actually liked to hear her preach. She was very fire and brimstone (my opinion) at that time. I'm a PK and I've seen that a lot in new Christians and once the person grows, they mature and change. Been there and don't it. She never blamed Prince for her drug use but she would imply that he may not have done anything to stop her.

There was a video linke showing Denise showing her nephews all the things she was leaving to them when she died. Really couldn't watch that, but where did you see the preaching video from 2012.

In reading some other posts it seems like Prince went through the same thing in his faith walk, I read something about him not wanting to work with Wendy becasue she was gay and then a like a year or so later he reached out to her and they played together.

She sure had the of preaching that's for sure and helped alot of people with her story

Maybe, but I liked the old vanity better, if she could have done it without the drugs and the crazy promiscuity. She got so immersed in her religious stuff that it was almost unavoidable. She was like a Jesus tsunami coming at you.

beachy said:

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said: Ok, so who would be this woman and child? My mind's blank, I'm not coming up with anyone right now.

I have no clue but let's assume the blind is about Prince. On the very day it was posted, Feb 4 2014, prince had a press conference and played a set in the London living room of Lianne Le Havras. It was considered highly unusual. Then she played with him several times on tour that year, including the jazz festival in NO.That's all I got.

Out of all Prince's proteges, she is about the only one I consider to have an amazing voice, she has real potential to climb the charts.

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Are you saying what I think you are saying???

purplegirl00 said:

Goddess4Real said:

I don't believe it either. Let's face it, unless their is real DNA proof Prince had no children.

Below is a pic of Vanity 6 by Richard Avedon, Rolling Stone Magazine, April 28, 1983. I wonder if there are any outtakes along with Vanity and Prince stashed away somewhere?

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Possibly, but where would they be? The vault? I'm wondering what other Prince/Vanity items are in there. [Edited 5/15/16 21:36pm]

Avedon took the pic of Prince and Vanity for Rolling Stone in Jan 83 and it was on the cover of the April issue. I imagine these were taken at the same shoot. so the answer is, all the photos in the april issue of rolling stone 83

Goddess4Real said:

purplegirl00 said:

Goddess4Real said: I agree, I don't believe either. Anyway, back to the topic, I'm hoping the autopsy results are revealed this week. I do want to hear from Sheila E., and the few others who know or have idea what caused Prince's death. Do you think they will say anything?

I hope the results are revealed this week too, I've had enough of the conspiracy theories. And I won't be surprised if people come out of the woodwork to cash in Sheila E isn't one of them, she has a great

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I think it said on the autopsy thread, not this week. I don't look for it till June.

tish9311 said:

beachy said:

I have no clue but let's assume the blind is about Prince. On the very day it was posted, Feb 4 2014, prince had a press conference and played a set in the London living room of Lianne Le Havras. It was considered highly unusual. Then she played with him several times on tour that year, including the jazz festival in NO.That's all I got.

Out of all Prince's proteges, she is about the only one I consider to have an amazing voice, she has real potential to climb the charts.

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Are you saying what I think you are saying???

not saying anything really lol but just take a look at this page and notice the dates...

http://www.musictelevision.com/2014/02/lianne-la-havas-long-list-of-tasty.html

tish9311 said:

Goddess4Real said:

I hope the results are revealed this week too, I've had enough of the conspiracy theories. And I won't be surprised if people come out of the woodwork to cash in Sheila E isn't one of them, she has a great

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I think it said on the autopsy thread, not this week. I don't look for it till June.

yeah I'd be surprised if they have it back anytime soon. I know Sheila has a great heart but come ON how many times do we have to hear that he proposed to her? i wish she'd drop that story I don't think anyone is convinced he wanted to marry her since he went full on orgy for the next 4 or 5 years after the tour.

beachy said:

beachy said:

tish9311 said:

I think it said on the autopsy thread, not this week. I don't look for it till June.

yeah I'd be surprised if they have it back anytime soon. I know Sheila has a great heart but come ON how many times do we have to hear that he proposed to her? i wish she'd drop that story I don't think anyone is convinced he wanted to marry her since he went full on orgy for the next 4 or 5 years after the tour.

I think Sheila E has a great however I think the engagement story isn't real. I think she put that in so her book would be published. Nor do I believe that he was engaged to Susanah because of the other women he was dating in that time period eg, Sherilyn, Anna, Troy, Ron Moss's wife and the list goes on..... Prince loved the ladies

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Goddess4Real said:

purplegirl00 said:

Goddess4Real said:

I think Sheila E has a great however I think the engagement story isn't real. I think she put that in so her book would be published. Nor do I believe that he was engaged to Susanah because of the other women he was dating in that time period eg, Sherilyn, Anna, Troy, Ron Moss's wife and the list goes on..... Prince loved the ladies

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I don't think he was engaged to any of those women either. He may have proposed jokingly, or right in the of middle of action in the bedroom, but he wasn't marrying any of them.

I agree, especially when some of them were living with him too eg. Anna, are u gonna share your "fiancé" with a jumpoff? I don't think so.

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GeniusLuv said:

Or when Nona and Mayte were in The Beautiful Experience which is on YT, I wonder if either them knew Prince was messing with both them and with Troy, Carmen and Robin in that time period?

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RachB65 said:

GeniusLuv said:

I never thought SHE was the reason he died.

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I know he lived through a lot of loss...his parents, especially his infant son (that would have been it for me, honestly) and it devastated him. With that said, he also..obviously..had medical issues, and quite possibly a dependency on pain medication...so there were many factors.

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Do i think he was sad she passed away, yes. Do i think it affected him greatly, yes i do. Do i think he had other major issues that were threatening his well being and eventually his life..absolutely!!!!

He had a lot he was dealing with. And when the immune system is compromised, any type of pain, emotional distress...depression...just makes the situation more dire and yes, i believe death can be the result.

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But, no..i don't think she is the ONLY reason he is gone.

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I do believe though, that she wanted her face to face with him, to be with him again...and this was Gods way of making it happen, she asked and it was given..in only way God can make happen. Maybe he needed to be out of his pain as well.

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I also want to add that the timing..same year, same age..weeks apart, makes it (in my mind) more concretethat they were soulmates, and eventually would end up back together again, which they have.

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I think they were more like twin flames rather than soulmates.. http://devinemiracles.com...lames.html

Very interesting, Madonna and Sean Penn also come to mind when I think of twin-flames to me, but that's another thread

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purplegirl00 said:

Goddess4Real said:

thetimefan said:

Goddess4Real said:

That would have been in 1984 when Janet was on Fame tv show, I use to watch it. I don't believe it, if she did it would have been James De Barge........if it was true this would have come out years ago, especially when Latoya was the black sheep of the family and she was plugging her "book" and playboy spread and using MJ and Janet for PR.

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Yes it was James not El. I believe that James was married to Janet for a short time. The rumor is they had a child together which was raised in Europe. However I think I that was incorrect since Janet has said she wants a family now and the British tabloids especially would have been all over a Jackson love child story back in the day. This story is in J Randy Taraborellis book about Mike, if not in the latest version it is definitely in the first edition as that's where I read about Janet and James DeBarge.

I also read about it in a book called Out of the Madness: The Strictly Unauthorized Biography of Janet Jackson by Bart Andrews, and Taraborelli contributed to some of the contents. She also dated Bobby Brown (for like 2 weeks) and Rober De Niro. I could be wrong there was that rumor that she left Fame in 84 because she was pregnant, and she did lie about her second marriage to Rene even to Oprah when she asked while promoting The Velvet Rope in 97. But at the same time that family especially La Toya can't keep secrets, and it would have come out back then when she was doing the media rounds.

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thetimefan said:

Not sure how true this http://radaronline.com/ce...s-debarge/ But like you say if LaToya knew about it she would have told the secret on TV when she was airing the Jackson's family dirty laundry. Unless she was out of the loop and only a select few knew. However I don't know how Taraborelli would have known such information if it was such a closely guarded secret. So that rumor is difficult to decipher.

Then there was that rumour about Janet giving Rene a huge settlement when they spilt, because he knew all her "secrets". Like I said I won't believe it unless there is hard cold proof, in the meantime I wish Janet and Wasim all the happiness in the world and their baby now back to Prince and Vanity I think its sweet seeing all the tributes from Beyonce etc and how much on an impact their music and style has influenced pop culture like this story http://www.refinery29.com...zaar-cover or this one http://www.latimes.com/fa...story.html and finally this one http://www.vogue.com/1340...hanna-80s/

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This is more of a what-if type question, if P & Denise had married say around the time of Purple Rain would it have changed anything - ie would he have changed personally, also in terms of his music career and his relationships with his band mates like Wendy & Lisa et al. I'd imagine him and Morris would have remained close and maybe he would have eased his stance on Jimmy & Terry and brought them back into the fold too, so you'd have the original Time back together. Also would he still have written and recorded as proficially or would he have focused more on being a husband to Denise and/or focus on making her a bigger star?.

beachy said:

RachB65 said:

purplegirl00 said:

Ok, so who would be this woman and child? My mind's blank, I'm not coming up with anyone right now.

Hmmm..Taylor Dane maybe? Just a guess

lol yet ANOTHER babe who I knew nothing about!!! what makes you guess her? boy never stopped

Goddess4Real said:

purplegirl00 said:

Goddess4Real said: I don't think he was engaged to any of those women either. He may have proposed jokingly, or right in the of middle of action in the bedroom, but he wasn't marrying any of them.

I agree, especially when some of them were living with him too eg. Anna, are u gonna share your "fiancé" with a jumpoff? I don't think so.

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LMAO you girls are hilarious. I tried to make a list of all the women in Prince's life amd it was huge but I STILL missed some!

thetimefan said:

This is more of a what-if type question, if P & Denise had married say around the time of Purple Rain would it have changed anything - ie would he have changed personally, also in terms of his music career and his relationships with his band mates like Wendy & Lisa et al. I'd imagine him and Morris would have remained close and maybe he would have eased his stance on Jimmy & Terry and brought them back into the fold too, so you'd have the original Time back together. Also would he still have written and recorded as proficially or would he have focused more on being a husband to Denise and/or focus on making her a bigger star?.

I think marriage would have put a albatross around both their necks, at least at the time. what I do wish had happened was that they both had got some therapy to deal with past issues and stayed a couple, monogamous, until they'd grown up and resolved their addictions. I think you could almost classify Prince's behavior as a sex addiction. But it sure resulted in some great music. Sometimes healthy people can't be as creative as when they had some issues to write about.

I'm rereading DMSR and there is a very nice quote from Vanity about how Prince, at the beginning of their relationship, cared for her insecurities, If I have time to transcribe it I'll post it later.

beachy said:

tish9311 said:

It was in the 90's, when she was all over Christian TV. I thinked they liked the idea of Vanity preaching and they always happened to have a video not of the last dragon or her solo work but of her Vanity 6 days. But it didn't phase her not one bit, I actually liked to hear her preach. She was very fire and brimstone (my opinion) at that time. I'm a PK and I've seen that a lot in new Christians and once the person grows, they mature and change. Been there and don't it. She never blamed Prince for her drug use but she would imply that he may not have done anything to stop her.

There was a video linke showing Denise showing her nephews all the things she was leaving to them when she died. Really couldn't watch that, but where did you see the preaching video from 2012.

In reading some other posts it seems like Prince went through the same thing in his faith walk, I read something about him not wanting to work with Wendy becasue she was gay and then a like a year or so later he reached out to her and they played together.

yeah I think I saw a few of those. well technically she didn't blame him but she was always asked about him and she always had a 'blame the sin not the sinner' 'I'm not gonna judge him but I disapprove of his iifestyle' vibe going on. Now that I think about it, this must have infuriated him, to be publically critiqued like this. If there had been any chance to get back together she killed it there. But anyway now we know he wanted a virgin. And she wasn't. So she lost nothing.Their 'window of opportunity' had passed...

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He wanted a Virgin? Yeahhhh for 5 minutes then he kicked her to the curb! Ok, Prince went through his phases..thats all i see it as, he tried different things, different women..always searching for (what he lost??) or couldn't have anymore, Denise wasn't going to change back for him...so he joined her NEW way of thinking; religion, celibacy, etc.

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He wouldn't have been so emotional when she died if held any grunges against her. Wouldn't have happened. Annnd their 2gether now so, seems like they are both at peace-----just my 2 cents

Goddess4Real said:

beachy said:

If it is Lianne she doesn't know it. I checked her twitter feed after Prince died and she doesn't sound like she just lost a father, more like a distant friend/mentor.

She said in an interview that he found her and called her up, she had done a song called 'AGE' about an older lover and he was saying something about wishing he was that person in the song. i dunno. This is uncharted territory. wish it were true so we could keep a piece of Prince though. she's got amazing talent.

I don't believe it either. Let's face it, unless their is real DNA proof Prince had no children.

Below is a pic of Vanity 6 by Richard Avedon, Rolling Stone Magazine, April 28, 1983. I wonder if there are any outtakes along with Vanity and Prince stashed away somewhere?

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I love this photo of her..she's just so gorgeous.

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Just an observation..but in this photo, and others i've seen and also in the videos with V6 she always has a jacket on, the girls never do, they never cover up...i saw a few live performances with Prince, V6 and The Time and she always had a cape, or coat, etc. on seems maybe she wasn't THAT comfortable in her undies the way the other two gals were? Not sure, but i've noticed that a lot lately.

RachB65 said:

thetimefan said:

beachy said:

GeniusLuv said: