GeniusLuv said:

30yearfan said:

He said that he was celibate way back in 2008 during the 21 nights tour. He interviewed with USA today and said he was single, celibate, and sexy. He claimed that he had been celibate for years. He said it was liberating. There are many threads on the org about it. It was discussed widely at time time.

I remember that. I beleive it was a spiritual thing..probably linked to his religious beliefs, not sure what JW's believe but i remember he did say it.

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Similar path to Vanitys who DID NOT blame Prince for her drug use, she did say it was her choice....and never once did i ever hear her say it was Prince who did this to her. It actually was at its worse later, after Prince (Nikki Sixx years) where he admitted their relatinship was drug fueled..more than friendship or even sex, all they did was smoke crack 2gether..days on end! Its in Nikkis book.

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Her childhood had been haunting her she said, which was why she used drugs, and tried to push the memories down...to forget. I know the name Vanity was rejected by her because she linked it with her past of drugs, sex, excess, the devil, etc.

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Like it was said previously, she forgave her father, and all that man did to her, so if she could do that...then she had nothing but love for Prince who she only said kind things about and prayed for over the years, which she also talked about..she did worry about him she said..he acknowledged that, Vanity was worried about him in an article, around the time he got married..he was talking about Vanity.

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Even her celebration of life program they handed out at her memorial she said she always ''respected and loved Prince until the day she left us....'' She even said in JET magazine Prince was the only man she ever truly loved. Sad. 2gether eternally though.

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Definitely 2gether eternally.

30yearfan said:

Hey you are on it!!!! I agree with you totally!!!! I think he was always trying to catch up with her. To me it was such a beautiful thing. He had grown so much through the years. They were destined to be together!!!

What is bringing me comfort is the fact that they are together now eternally. You know everything happens for a reason. She went first and he shortly followed, no coincidence at least not to me. I think Prince was just having a hard time coming to grips with her passing.

Goddess4Real said:

Thank you!!!

pnv said:

30yearfan said:

I've always thought that the royalties help for her medical bills was when he listed her as the songwriter on Nasty Girl on the Girl 6 soundtrack. Movie soundtracks are very lucrative and I think that they are paid out of the films budget and not just record sales. My take on why they did not get back together was the timing was always off. In the song Sea of everything he says the line, you and I are like two ships passing never reaching shore. I also think that she was in such a place spiritually that he had to catch up with her. It took him a long time to get to the point of celibacy and weaning himself off of needing to have all those women. Another thing is the press would have been very hard on her to the point where it would have hurt her ministry. Think about what would have been said if she was back with him. It would have been open season on her. I think he loved her too much too put her through all that considering all of her health issues. In the song the Lion of Judah he says the line looking for the energy to take you there, the places that you want to go. Knowing if I do you're fully aware the press will turn it into a show. Look at how much press the dedication at the Melbourne show got as well as the speculation of him coming to her funeral. He would have probably had to move her to that house on the island to get some peace and quiet. The fans would have been cool with it but tmz and friends would have been rough. My two cents.

Hey you are on it!!!! I agree with you totally!!!! I think he was always trying to catch up with her. To me it was such a beautiful thing. He had grown so much through the years. They were destined to be together!!! What is bringing me comfort is the fact that they are together now eternally. You know everything happens for a reason. She went first and he shortly followed, no coincidence at least not to me. I think Prince was just having a hard time coming to grips with her passing.

No coincidences. She was the IT girl. All the others came and went- and I think she remained on his mind throughout.

I think he was hurt over death like he said they loved each other and death has a way of bringing everything back up but I don't think he literally let go of life because of her. I don't think he let anything have that much control over him. I honestly think they were both sick and died it just happened to be close in time period. I think the man that survived the death of his children, and his parents without giving up on life he could have survived her death. I think he wanted to live that's why he was seeking medical treatment in the end.

stinasings said:

I think he was hurt over death like he said they loved each other and death has a way of bringing everything back up but I don't think he literally let go of life because of her. I don't think he let anything have that much control over him. I honestly think they were both sick and died it just happened to be close in time period. I think the man that survived the death of his children, and his parents without giving up on life he could have survived her death. I think he wanted to live that's why he was seeking medical treatment in the end.

Very logical theory. I agree this is what Prince's mindset was when Vanity passed away. She was one of his women. The man shared time with her. Of course he would grieve her passing. I recently greived the passing of one of my teenage bestfriend's who was also my ex-hubby for a short time. It was a devastating time period in my life. So, on some level, I can relate to the way Prince dealt with Vanity's passing. That said, I'm inclined to believe God forbid, if any other of Prince's women passed on, the caring loving man that he was, I believe his grief would absolutely have been the same.

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RachB65 said:

purplegirl00 said:

People have mentioned that Prince was celibate. Where/when did he say that he was and did he say what brought him to that decision? I have family that are JW and I don't remember the unmarried ones chosing celibacy.

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I believe he said that in his "lost" Rolling Stone interview from 2014..I think i may have read it elsewhere but i cant recall..I believe he didnt come out exactly and say WHY, but he mentioned how that energy gets channeled into other things, i.e, his creativity. I also think he may have said(or i read elsewhere) that JW dont have premarital sex..or something alluding to that [Edited 5/15/16 15:52pm]

the irony of Prince talking about premarital sex as taboo when he is our generation's ultimate sex god and has been dallying with the ladies every chance he got

I never thought SHE was the reason he died.

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I know he lived through a lot of loss...his parents, especially his infant son (that would have been it for me, honestly) and it devastated him. With that said, he also..obviously..had medical issues, and quite possibly a dependency on pain medication...so there were many factors.

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Do i think he was sad she passed away, yes. Do i think it affected him greatly, yes i do. Do i think he had other major issues that were threatening his well being and eventually his life..absolutely!!!!

He had a lot he was dealing with. And when the immune system is compromised, any type of pain, emotional distress...depression...just makes the situation more dire and yes, i believe death can be the result.

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But, no..i don't think she is the ONLY reason he is gone.

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I do believe though, that she wanted her face to face with him, to be with him again...and this was Gods way of making it happen, she asked and it was given..in only way God can make happen. Maybe he needed to be out of his pain as well.

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I also want to add that the timing..same year, same age..weeks apart, makes it (in my mind) more concretethat they were soulmates, and eventually would end up back together again, which they have.

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30yearfan said:

purplegirl00 said:

Thanks! I'm going to go see if I can find it. If he indeed practiced celibacy that is a huge 360 turn for him. Something major must have happened to bring about a change like that- something spiritual, physical, or something else.

He said that he was celibate way back in 2008 during the 21 nights tour. He interviewed with USA today and said he was single, celibate, and sexy. He claimed that he had been celibate for years. He said it was liberating. There are many threads on the org about it. It was discussed widely at time time.

I must say I don't really believe him. ok I don't believe he had anything sexy or passionate with Bria or any of the young recent proteges since, but I do think he has slipped and had a few one night stands. There has been some gossip about him and I don't always believe gossip but it fits his character.

stinasings said:

I think he was hurt over death like he said they loved each other and death has a way of bringing everything back up but I don't think he literally let go of life because of her. I don't think he let anything have that much control over him. I honestly think they were both sick and died it just happened to be close in time period. I think the man that survived the death of his children, and his parents without giving up on life he could have survived her death. I think he wanted to live that's why he was seeking medical treatment in the end.

We all have our opinions and they are valid. Prince was not a superhuman and not immune to pain. None of us are. Grief can do some strange things to people and can have a devastating grip on you. Prince is no different than any of us. Perhaps her death affected him more than anyone knows or can imagine. Yes, he survived the death of his child- which I imagine brought incredible and devastating pain. However in his case, his child was a baby. With only a week out of the womb, he didn't yet have a mutually giving relationship with his baby son. With his parents, he knew that most likely he would outlive them and expected that they would die in his lifetime. Most of us have that understanding while we're young. Again, not diminishing pain, because losing a parent or parents is definitely painful particularly if you have a close relationship with them. Losing a person that you loved deeply in the romantic sense can send you down a dark path. It's not just a romantic idea, this does actually happen in real life. I agree that Prince has some health issue/sickness himself. I think he had physical pain from it, but I do also believe he was having a very difficult time dealing with Denise's death. Therefore, he did not take care of himself properly and was overmedicating to deal with both physical and emotional pain.

GeniusLuv said:

I never thought SHE was the reason he died.

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I know he lived through a lot of loss...his parents, especially his infant son (that would have been it for me, honestly) and it devastated him. With that said, he also..obviously..had medical issues, and quite possibly a dependency on pain medication...so there were many factors.

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Do i think he was sad she passed away, yes. Do i think it affected him greatly, yes i do. Do i think he had other major issues that were threatening his well being and eventually his life..absolutely!!!!

He had a lot he was dealing with. And when the immune system is compromised, any type of pain, emotional distress...depression...just makes the situation more dire and yes, i believe death can be the result.

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But, no..i don't think she is the ONLY reason he is gone.

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I do believe though, that she wanted her face to face with him, to be with him again...and this was Gods way of making it happen, she asked and it was given..in only way God can make happen. Maybe he needed to be out of his pain as well.

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I also want to add that the timing..same year, same age..weeks apart, makes it (in my mind) more concretethat they were soulmates, and eventually would end up back together again, which they have.

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agree. grief brings you down and especially if you aren't well to begin with, it can kill you.

and really although Prince survived his other losses you can tell he went to extreme measures to find a core to hang onto. when his son died he had such a negative reaction he shut his wife out of his life... when his parents died he married Mani and got with Larry Graham and JW thereby substituting his natural parents with substitutes.

I tend to think that if he was depressed, and his close circle said he was, that it can also make you a bit reckless with medication. in other words, you just don't care a whole lot if you do die. That's what depression is, you kinda have to fight with yourself to keep yourself alive because you don't feel like going on. So especially if he was sleep deprived and in alot of pain, I can imagine him popping some pain pills or sleeping pills and maybe taking an extra one just to get to sleep faster. But in his weakened state it was probably too much.

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I do not think he would be grieving terribly for some of his exes. Mayte said she asked him for some tickets to a show and he wouldn't even give her any. He did not want anything to do with her.

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And he tore his houses down I believe because they had some bad memories and he wanted to erase them.

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If he WAS really ill with some underlying condition like cancer, he was staring death in the face and the deaths of Bowie and Vanity would have brought up his parents' deaths and made him even more emotional.

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I didn't hear about Prince crying during the atlanta shows. I asked someone on another thread about it and they posted this info:

"That comes from people posting in the org, but I've seen it referenced in some of the articles, too. The closest I can find right now is this: "It seemed, when he started a story about his father teaching him how to play the piano, that the show might include other such personal exposures from the famously private musician. But aside from noting, “Sometimes I forget how emotional these songs can be,” after he briefly hustled offstage following “A Case of U” and its glass-shattering notes, Prince knitted a string songs together sans commentary."
http://music.blog.ajc.com/2016/04/14/concert-review-prince-enchants-at-intimate-fox-theatre-show/

Here's another:
"At one point during the earlier show, Prince became overwhelmed with emotion, and briefly retreated to the wings.
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“He played a song and left the stage, and we thought the concert was over so we started chanting for more,” said Celeste Headlee, a public radio show host in Atlanta. Prince returned, telling the audience, “sometimes you forget how emotional this music is.”
http://variety.com/2016/music/news/prince-final-days-concerts-death-1201758537/

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I am going to have to make myself listen to these, I have been avoiding it.

beachy said:

GeniusLuv said:

I never thought SHE was the reason he died.

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I know he lived through a lot of loss...his parents, especially his infant son (that would have been it for me, honestly) and it devastated him. With that said, he also..obviously..had medical issues, and quite possibly a dependency on pain medication...so there were many factors.

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Do i think he was sad she passed away, yes. Do i think it affected him greatly, yes i do. Do i think he had other major issues that were threatening his well being and eventually his life..absolutely!!!!

He had a lot he was dealing with. And when the immune system is compromised, any type of pain, emotional distress...depression...just makes the situation more dire and yes, i believe death can be the result.

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But, no..i don't think she is the ONLY reason he is gone.

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I do believe though, that she wanted her face to face with him, to be with him again...and this was Gods way of making it happen, she asked and it was given..in only way God can make happen. Maybe he needed to be out of his pain as well.

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I also want to add that the timing..same year, same age..weeks apart, makes it (in my mind) more concretethat they were soulmates, and eventually would end up back together again, which they have.

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agree. grief brings you down and especially if you aren't well to begin with, it can kill you.

and really although Prince survived his other losses you can tell he went to extreme measures to find a core to hang onto. when his son died he had such a negative reaction he shut his wife out of his life... when his parents died he married Mani and got with Larry Graham and JW thereby substituting his natural parents with substitutes.

I tend to think that if he was depressed, and his close circle said he was, that it can also make you a bit reckless with medication. in other words, you just don't care a whole lot if you do die. That's what depression is, you kinda have to fight with yourself to keep yourself alive because you don't feel like going on. So especially if he was sleep deprived and in alot of pain, I can imagine him popping some pain pills or sleeping pills and maybe taking an extra one just to get to sleep faster. But in his weakened state it was probably too much.

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I do not think he would be grieving terribly for some of his exes. Mayte said she asked him for some tickets to a show and he wouldn't even give her any. He did not want anything to do with her.

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And he tore his houses down I believe because they had some bad memories and he wanted to erase them.

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I read that as well, about the houses being torn down...immediately.

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As far as Mayte goes..she was a child when they met..only 16, and he was a grown adult man..her mom set her up for a huge fall..so i don't blame her...its the adults in the situation that should have known better. With that said, not sure how a 16 year old girl can be the soulmate of a man that much older than her..if wasnt PRINCE he'd be in a lot of serious trouble for being with a girl that young..but then again her mother was right there, handing her over so.....

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I do feel that Denise Matthews was his soulmate and was with him before he was THE FAMOUS MEGA ICON WE KNOW TODAY AS PRINCE he was a half naked singer who was opening for Rick James when they met!!!! She met him in 1980...i believe she was there for the right reasons and her connection with him was eternal..even in death..can't argue whats happened these past months, with both of them passing away..one after the other..its just so obvious now.

beachy said:

30yearfan said:

He said that he was celibate way back in 2008 during the 21 nights tour. He interviewed with USA today and said he was single, celibate, and sexy. He claimed that he had been celibate for years. He said it was liberating. There are many threads on the org about it. It was discussed widely at time time.

I must say I don't really believe him. ok I don't believe he had anything sexy or passionate with Bria or any of the young recent proteges since, but I do think he has slipped and had a few one night stands. There has been some gossip about him and I don't always believe gossip but it fits his character.

At least I'm not the only one with this belief. Well done. Consider your posted endorsed now

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GeniusLuv said:

beachy said:

agree. grief brings you down and especially if you aren't well to begin with, it can kill you.

and really although Prince survived his other losses you can tell he went to extreme measures to find a core to hang onto. when his son died he had such a negative reaction he shut his wife out of his life... when his parents died he married Mani and got with Larry Graham and JW thereby substituting his natural parents with substitutes.

I tend to think that if he was depressed, and his close circle said he was, that it can also make you a bit reckless with medication. in other words, you just don't care a whole lot if you do die. That's what depression is, you kinda have to fight with yourself to keep yourself alive because you don't feel like going on. So especially if he was sleep deprived and in alot of pain, I can imagine him popping some pain pills or sleeping pills and maybe taking an extra one just to get to sleep faster. But in his weakened state it was probably too much.

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I do not think he would be grieving terribly for some of his exes. Mayte said she asked him for some tickets to a show and he wouldn't even give her any. He did not want anything to do with her.

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And he tore his houses down I believe because they had some bad memories and he wanted to erase them.

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I read that as well, about the houses being torn down...immediately.

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As far as Mayte goes..she was a child when they met..only 16, and he was a grown adult man..her mom set her up for a huge fall..so i don't blame her...its the adults in the situation that should have known better. With that said, not sure how a 16 year old girl can be the soulmate of a man that much older than her..if wasnt PRINCE he'd be in a lot of serious trouble for being with a girl that young..but then again her mother was right there, handing her over so.....

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I do feel that Denise Matthews was his soulmate and was with him before he was THE FAMOUS MEGA ICON WE KNOW TODAY AS PRINCE he was a half naked singer who was opening for Rick James when they met!!!! She met him in 1980...i believe she was there for the right reasons and her connection with him was eternal..even in death..can't argue whats happened these past months, with both of them passing away..one after the other..its just so obvious now.

Agree with both of you! I felt bad for Mayte because I think her mother threw her at Prince. Of course, she was beautiful and I'm sure he cared for her at that time. Plus, I think, intially he was trying to get back at Denise for getting married behind his back. He and Mayte had a baby that died days after coming out of the womb. I'm sure that brought him down significantly as I read somewhere that he wanted to have a lot of children. Apparently he and Mayte conceived again it ended in a miscarriage- which again probably hurt him. Then I have no idea what happened but their marriage could not survive. I think along with the grief they were dealing with- improperly at that, Mayte was too young and immature. It did not seem to me that he was even trying to fight for that marriage or to keep her, it seemed the opposite. He was done and off to look for another Vanity/Denise replacement.

Denise was there at the beginning before Prince went big. Little Red Corvette which was written about her, was a HUGE hit. Then Vanity 6 brought success to him too. Of course, it was Purple Rain that launched Prince into superstardom and she was directly involved in the creation of it. It was about them.

beachy said:

I didn't hear about Prince crying during the atlanta shows. I asked someone on another thread about it and they posted this info:

"That comes from people posting in the org, but I've seen it referenced in some of the articles, too. The closest I can find right now is this: "It seemed, when he started a story about his father teaching him how to play the piano, that the show might include other such personal exposures from the famously private musician. But aside from noting, “Sometimes I forget how emotional these songs can be,” after he briefly hustled offstage following “A Case of U” and its glass-shattering notes, Prince knitted a string songs together sans commentary."
http://music.blog.ajc.com/2016/04/14/concert-review-prince-enchants-at-intimate-fox-theatre-show/

Here's another:
"At one point during the earlier show, Prince became overwhelmed with emotion, and briefly retreated to the wings.
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“He played a song and left the stage, and we thought the concert was over so we started chanting for more,” said Celeste Headlee, a public radio show host in Atlanta. Prince returned, telling the audience, “sometimes you forget how emotional this music is.”
http://variety.com/2016/music/news/prince-final-days-concerts-death-1201758537/

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I am going to have to make myself listen to these, I have been avoiding it.

I can't imagine how terribly difficult it was for him to play and sing. The playing reminded him of his father and then singing/playing all the songs written about Denise.

purplegirl00 said:

GeniusLuv said:

I read that as well, about the houses being torn down...immediately.

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As far as Mayte goes..she was a child when they met..only 16, and he was a grown adult man..her mom set her up for a huge fall..so i don't blame her...its the adults in the situation that should have known better. With that said, not sure how a 16 year old girl can be the soulmate of a man that much older than her..if wasnt PRINCE he'd be in a lot of serious trouble for being with a girl that young..but then again her mother was right there, handing her over so.....

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I do feel that Denise Matthews was his soulmate and was with him before he was THE FAMOUS MEGA ICON WE KNOW TODAY AS PRINCE he was a half naked singer who was opening for Rick James when they met!!!! She met him in 1980...i believe she was there for the right reasons and her connection with him was eternal..even in death..can't argue whats happened these past months, with both of them passing away..one after the other..its just so obvious now.

Agree with both of you! I felt bad for Mayte because I think her mother threw her at Prince. Of course, she was beautiful and I'm sure he cared for her at that time. Plus, I think, intially he was trying to get back at Denise for getting married behind his back. He and Mayte had a baby that died days after coming out of the womb. I'm sure that brought him down significantly as I read somewhere that he wanted to have a lot of children. Apparently he and Mayte conceived again it ended in a miscarriage- which again probably hurt him. Then I have no idea what happened but their marriage could not survive. I think along with the grief they were dealing with- improperly at that, Mayte was too young and immature. It did not seem to me that he was even trying to fight for that marriage or to keep her, it seemed the opposite. He was done and off to look for another Vanity/Denise replacement.

Denise was there at the beginning before Prince went big. Little Red Corvette which was written about her, was a HUGE hit. Then Vanity 6 brought success to him too. Of course, it was Purple Rain that launched Prince into superstardom and she was directly involved in the creation of it. It was about them.

Yep so true,

GeniusLuv said:

purplegirl00 said:

Agree with both of you! I felt bad for Mayte because I think her mother threw her at Prince. Of course, she was beautiful and I'm sure he cared for her at that time. Plus, I think, intially he was trying to get back at Denise for getting married behind his back. He and Mayte had a baby that died days after coming out of the womb. I'm sure that brought him down significantly as I read somewhere that he wanted to have a lot of children. Apparently he and Mayte conceived again it ended in a miscarriage- which again probably hurt him. Then I have no idea what happened but their marriage could not survive. I think along with the grief they were dealing with- improperly at that, Mayte was too young and immature. It did not seem to me that he was even trying to fight for that marriage or to keep her, it seemed the opposite. He was done and off to look for another Vanity/Denise replacement.

Denise was there at the beginning before Prince went big. Little Red Corvette which was written about her, was a HUGE hit. Then Vanity 6 brought success to him too. Of course, it was Purple Rain that launched Prince into superstardom and she was directly involved in the creation of it. It was about them.

Yep so true,

Mayte was so young, inexperienced, never been with a man before..she couldn't hold his attention, in that way...umm sexually...i mean he was Prince afterall!! He needed a woman, i believe like himself!!! I think she being pregnant, starting a family..thats what kept his interest at taht time.

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But like you said, he didn't seem to fight for her or the marriage..losing babies is devastating, obviously the grieving process is hell but most people can't deal with the loss and i am sure that had a lot to do with him walking away and moving on so fast after he made up his mind to end things...he remarried the following year..that speaks volumes.

GeniusLuv said:

GeniusLuv said:

Yep so true,

Mayte was so young, inexperienced, never been with a man before..she couldn't hold his attention, in that way...umm sexually...i mean he was Prince afterall!! He needed a woman, i believe like himself!!! I think she being pregnant, starting a family..thats what kept his interest at taht time.

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But like you said, he didn't seem to fight for her or the marriage..losing babies is devastating, obviously the grieving process is hell but most people can't deal with the loss and i am sure that had a lot to do with him walking away and moving on so fast after he made up his mind to end things...he remarried the following year..that speaks volumes.

How long was he married to Mani? Someone posted either earlier in this thread or another one that he liked her because she was a "clean" version of Vanity/Denise. Definitely a possibility. She does look strikingly close but I wonder why that marriage flopped.

I really liked Vanity/Denise's outfits when she went on her own. Very flamboyant, and mirrored Prince's outfits, but strangely enough, she was more beautiful when she had more clothes on. My favorite was when she was on Soul Train singing "Under the Influence".

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purplegirl00 said:

GeniusLuv said:

Mayte was so young, inexperienced, never been with a man before..she couldn't hold his attention, in that way...umm sexually...i mean he was Prince afterall!! He needed a woman, i believe like himself!!! I think she being pregnant, starting a family..thats what kept his interest at taht time.

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But like you said, he didn't seem to fight for her or the marriage..losing babies is devastating, obviously the grieving process is hell but most people can't deal with the loss and i am sure that had a lot to do with him walking away and moving on so fast after he made up his mind to end things...he remarried the following year..that speaks volumes.

How long was he married to Mani? Someone posted either earlier in this thread or another one that he liked her because she was a "clean" version of Vanity/Denise. That is possible. She does look strikingly close but I wonder why that marriage flopped.

The articles i read said she filed, she wanted out!!!!! And she was quoted saying she didn't like showbiz life..wanted to just have a family, a few babies...live a ''normal'' life...but whhhhhhy marry Prince then?? And then Eric Benet, Halle Berrys Ex?? Anyway, she did go on to have 2 kids with Eric Benet and have that life she wanted. She was married to Prince for 5 years. I also read she miscarried with Prince as well while they were married..he's lost so many kids. Sad.

purplegirl00 said:

GeniusLuv said:

Mayte was so young, inexperienced, never been with a man before..she couldn't hold his attention, in that way...umm sexually...i mean he was Prince afterall!! He needed a woman, i believe like himself!!! I think she being pregnant, starting a family..thats what kept his interest at taht time.

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But like you said, he didn't seem to fight for her or the marriage..losing babies is devastating, obviously the grieving process is hell but most people can't deal with the loss and i am sure that had a lot to do with him walking away and moving on so fast after he made up his mind to end things...he remarried the following year..that speaks volumes.

How long was he married to Mani? Someone posted either earlier in this thread or another one that he liked her because she was a "clean" version of Vanity/Denise. Definitely a possibility. She does look strikingly close but I wonder why that marriage flopped.

I really liked Vanity/Denise's outfits when she went on her own. Very flamboyant, and mirrored Prince's outfits, but strangely enough, she was more beautiful when she had more clothes on. My favorite was when she was on Soul Train singing "Under the Influence".

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Totally agree..she was more beautiful as she got older and was doing her own thing. She looked great on talk shows..bet Prince caught a few of those

GeniusLuv said:

purplegirl00 said:

How long was he married to Mani? Someone posted either earlier in this thread or another one that he liked her because she was a "clean" version of Vanity/Denise. Definitely a possibility. She does look strikingly close but I wonder why that marriage flopped.

I really liked Vanity/Denise's outfits when she went on her own. Very flamboyant, and mirrored Prince's outfits, but strangely enough, she was more beautiful when she had more clothes on. My favorite was when she was on Soul Train singing "Under the Influence".

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Totally agree..she was more beautiful as she got older and was doing her own thing. She looked great on talk shows..bet Prince caught a few of those

Oh yes, he was watching and following everything she did over the years- appearances on talk shows and appearances like on American Bandstand. In fact that's where she sang "Under the Influence" with the pirate looking outfit, it wasn't Soul Train, I was wrong (though she was on there too, but with a different song, I think). I wonder what he must have been thinking? Nevermind we know, right?

GeniusLuv said:

purplegirl00 said:

How long was he married to Mani? Someone posted either earlier in this thread or another one that he liked her because she was a "clean" version of Vanity/Denise. That is possible. She does look strikingly close but I wonder why that marriage flopped.

The articles i read said she filed, she wanted out!!!!! And she was quoted saying she didn't like showbiz life..wanted to just have a family, a few babies...live a ''normal'' life...but whhhhhhy marry Prince then?? And then Eric Benet, Halle Berrys Ex?? Anyway, she did go on to have 2 kids with Eric Benet and have that life she wanted. She was married to Prince for 5 years. I also read she miscarried with Prince as well while they were married..he's lost so many kids. Sad.

really Mani miscarried too?

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I don't know seems like alot of miscarriages. Not saying anyone is lying but on a PR level it gives you more of a 'claim' to be associated with a star. Alot of women saw Prince as a personal career move. Again, I am not saying they didn't love him, what I am saying is that fame by association cannot help to be a factor in these relationship equations. Mani in the first instance had a huge schoolgirl crush on Prince and sought him out, took a job, and made herself indispensable. They were getting very close in 1998 already, and that is when Prince bought the Marbella mansion and exiled Mayte there.

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Mayte sure was young, but I think the worst thing about the baby dying is that the Pfeiffer syndrome produced such terrible birth defects and Prince was already intimidated by being a father. I don't know that he really wanted it so bad, I read that he had very mixed feelings. But I think he tthought Mayte and Mani were 'clean' maternal types unlike Vanity. He was marrying somebody who would be mother of his children. For all his own gender bending he had very traditional ideas about how his own relationships with women and how they should be. He seems to have had a madonna/whore syndrome. And a very double standard.

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I wonder if on some level Vanity's conversion was an attempt to make herself clean and pure in Prince's eyes.

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beachy said:

GeniusLuv said:

The articles i read said she filed, she wanted out!!!!! And she was quoted saying she didn't like showbiz life..wanted to just have a family, a few babies...live a ''normal'' life...but whhhhhhy marry Prince then?? And then Eric Benet, Halle Berrys Ex?? Anyway, she did go on to have 2 kids with Eric Benet and have that life she wanted. She was married to Prince for 5 years. I also read she miscarried with Prince as well while they were married..he's lost so many kids. Sad.

really Mani miscarried too?

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I don't know seems like alot of miscarriages. Not saying anyone is lying but on a PR level it gives you more of a 'claim' to be associated with a star. Alot of women saw Prince as a personal career move. Again, I am not saying they didn't love him, what I am saying is that fame by association cannot help to be a factor in these relationship equations. Mani in the first instance had a huge schoolgirl crush on Prince and sought him out, took a job, and made herself indispensable. They were getting very close in 1998 already, and that is when Prince bought the Marbella mansion and exiled Mayte there.

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Mayte sure was young, but I think the worst thing about the baby dying is that the Pfeiffer syndrome produced such terrible birth defects and Prince was already intimidated by being a father. I don't know that he really wanted it so bad, I read that he had very mixed feelings. But I think he tthought Mayte and Mani were 'clean' maternal types unlike Vanity. He was marrying somebody who would be mother of his children. For all his own gender bending he had very traditional ideas about how his own relationships with women and how they should be. He seems to have had a madonna/whore syndrome. And a very double standard.

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The 1980's Vanity was wild and crazy..as Prince was..so NO, she would not have been a good mom then..but she would have been later in life, but her religion and evangelism got to be front and center, she also had many helath issues so that probably made it impossible for her naturally.......she could have adopted though..if its what she wanted.

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And just because someone is a ''clean'' person doesn't mean they are automatically good moms..but, anyway he did say on Oprah he wanted kids crawling all over him, a playroom filled with them..he showed Oprah the playroom, it was huge!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats really sad, something he wanted so badly...just goes to show you money can't buy everything.

purplegirl00 said:

GeniusLuv said:

Totally agree..she was more beautiful as she got older and was doing her own thing. She looked great on talk shows..bet Prince caught a few of those

Oh yes, he was watching and following everything she did over the years- appearances on talk shows and appearances like on American Bandstand. In fact that's where she sang "Under the Influence" with the pirate looking outfit, it wasn't Soul Train, I was wrong (though she was on there too, but with a different song, I think). I wonder what he must have been thinking? Nevermind we know, right?

I saw that and she looked incredible!! but she was also high as a kite on that show. she still performed well.

GeniusLuv said:

beachy said:

really Mani miscarried too?

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I don't know seems like alot of miscarriages. Not saying anyone is lying but on a PR level it gives you more of a 'claim' to be associated with a star. Alot of women saw Prince as a personal career move. Again, I am not saying they didn't love him, what I am saying is that fame by association cannot help to be a factor in these relationship equations. Mani in the first instance had a huge schoolgirl crush on Prince and sought him out, took a job, and made herself indispensable. They were getting very close in 1998 already, and that is when Prince bought the Marbella mansion and exiled Mayte there.

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Mayte sure was young, but I think the worst thing about the baby dying is that the Pfeiffer syndrome produced such terrible birth defects and Prince was already intimidated by being a father. I don't know that he really wanted it so bad, I read that he had very mixed feelings. But I think he tthought Mayte and Mani were 'clean' maternal types unlike Vanity. He was marrying somebody who would be mother of his children. For all his own gender bending he had very traditional ideas about how his own relationships with women and how they should be. He seems to have had a madonna/whore syndrome. And a very double standard.

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The 1980's Vanity was wild and crazy..as Prince was..so NO, she would not have been a good mom then..but she would have been later in life, but her religion and evangelism got to be front and center, she also had many helath issues so that probably made it impossible for her naturally.......she could have adopted though..if its what she wanted.

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And just because someone is a ''clean'' person doesn't mean they are automatically good moms..but, anyway he did say on Oprah he wanted kids crawling all over him, a playroom filled with them..he showed Oprah the playroom, it was huge!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats really sad, something he wanted so badly...just goes to show you money can't buy everything.

Well he could have adopted if he had wanted to. And then I believe Troy Beyer said she miscarried too! that's just too many miscarriages don't you think? maybe I am off here. But there was a blind item posted a few years back that many people thought was prince, it was about him having a secret love child with a well known singer..Here is the blind it was posted on Feb 4 2014:

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Back in the day this R&B singer was everywhere

. She had a string of hits that all went to the top of the charts in the genres she was singing for. She made a huge name for herself and then dropped off the planet. Well, one of the people that loved what she was doing wanted her for himself. He used to be A+ list and will be forever an A list singer/celebrity. They started working together and by working mean that he would write songs and have her sing them to see what they sounded like. One thing led to another and they ended up living together for about a year. During that time she got pregnant and had a child. Our permanent A lister knew about it but didn't want anyone else to know about it. He liked the idea of having a secret love child. He took care of the child and the mom very well and still had the mom sing for him and sometimes sleep with him. Meanwhile he made sure his child went to the very best schools and when he discovered the child had musical talent made sure they spent hours each day working on music. Now, he is ready to launch that child out to the world with a monster record he is promoting like crazy but still wants to keep the fact that the child is his a secret.

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beachy said:

GeniusLuv said:

The 1980's Vanity was wild and crazy..as Prince was..so NO, she would not have been a good mom then..but she would have been later in life, but her religion and evangelism got to be front and center, she also had many helath issues so that probably made it impossible for her naturally.......she could have adopted though..if its what she wanted.

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And just because someone is a ''clean'' person doesn't mean they are automatically good moms..but, anyway he did say on Oprah he wanted kids crawling all over him, a playroom filled with them..he showed Oprah the playroom, it was huge!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats really sad, something he wanted so badly...just goes to show you money can't buy everything.

Well he could have adopted if he had wanted to. But there was a blind item posted a few years back that many people thought was prince, it was about him having a secret love child with a well known singer.

He could have..but i always got the feeling he wanted a biological child bcuz he wanted to pass on his incredibly gifted musical genes..like he got from his parents...but i guess it doesn't matter now, right?

GeniusLuv said:

Yes!! Bingo. That is an interesting viewpoint that her conversion was lead by to a degree, a desire to be pure and matronal for Prince. She would've made a good mother later in life. Some of her sermons focused a lot on marriage and family. Her and Prince couldn't have been good parents when started out.

GeniusLuv said:

beachy said:

Well he could have adopted if he had wanted to. But there was a blind item posted a few years back that many people thought was prince, it was about him having a secret love child with a well known singer.

He could have..but i always got the feeling he wanted a biological child bcuz he wanted to pass on his incredibly gifted musical genes..like he got from his parents...but i guess it doesn't matter now, right?

go back and read the post before yours, I edited it and added the blind. There might be such a child.

Prince wasn't marriage/father material either for many years........LOL!

The thing about Madonna/Whore...is that those men always cheat on Madonna with a whore! Even Vanity couldn't keep his interest back in the 80's 100 percent without him sleeping around and she ooooozed sex, so..he would never have lasted with a lilly-white-clean girl..this dude needed a REAL woman!

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I agree, later in life..they would have both been great parents. I think their religious beliefs helped them get there as well.