One other cool thing about the tribute to vanity show in Melbourne is when Prince tells the story about Chick throwing her into the water he is in the middle of singing adore. And when he says 'she knew she was the finest woman in the world' Prince lingers on every word like he knows it too, and is stating it here for all eternity as an absolute fact. that was a cool part of the show.

Everyone said that Adore was about Susannah M. Well, maybe not?

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Goddess4Real said:

beachy said:

Well Nona was in the early 90s when he was juggling about a million girls at once. Then Vanity got married and Mayte got preggers. I never saw her as exclusive or anything. Whereas Vanity, when she was around, everyone else was redundant. No disrespect to Nona but they didn't seem a great match in terms of chemistry.

I think Nona had alot of potential (as a singer, model and actress), kind of fallen off the radar for now and she was so stunning. But Vanity is the original protege and unforgetable, even after 20 years she is still influential (whether she liked it or not). My fav pic of Vanity 6, thank goodness their live show is still on YT and Prince, The Time and Vanity albums/tour is my fav era.

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She was absolutely stunning. All the comments are still going gaga over her. Most gorgeous woman I ever saw.

I saw her on Dick Clark on youtube and she had that romantic english costume on, girl had a figure you can't even believe. She could also dance about everyone under the table, including Prince.

beachy said:

One other cool thing about the tribute to vanity show in Melbourne is when Prince tells the story about Chick throwing her into the water he is in the middle of singing adore. And when he says 'she knew she was the finest woman in the world' Prince lingers on every word like he knows it too, and is stating it here for all eternity as an absolute fact. that was a cool part of the show.

It was so widely reported in the media, that no one can diminish her influence in Prince's life, like they had done so in the past. It came from his own mouth!

beachy said:

Goddess4Real said:

I think Nona had alot of potential (as a singer, model and actress), kind of fallen off the radar for now and she was so stunning. But Vanity is the original protege and unforgetable, even after 20 years she is still influential (whether she liked it or not). My fav pic of Vanity 6, thank goodness their live show is still on YT and Prince, The Time and Vanity albums/tour is my fav era.

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She was absolutely stunning. All the comments are still going gaga over her. Most gorgeous woman I ever saw.

I saw her on Dick Clark on youtube and she had that romantic english costume on, girl had a figure you can't even believe. She could also dance about everyone under the table, including Prince.

Vanity 6 Live show was EVERYTHING and they were only on stage for like 18 mins, then came The Time and finally Prince in 1983, you got your money's worth not like the cookie cutter shit of today! Sure vocally they weren't The Pointer Sisters, but all that swag and their set was funky, thanks to The Time behind the curtain (and Jill helping them out with background vocals ). They were more entertaining than Destiny's Child because each one of them had their moment to shine, Vanity was an excellent front women

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beachy said:

I have the DMSR book and I was reading today about how possessive Prince was about his girlfriends. He was apparently 'engaged' to Susan Moonsie the summer of 1981, and was still seeing other girls, but had meltdowns when 'his' girl was getting hit on or showed interest in another guy. Maybe he had Napoleon Syndrom that way. I think Vanity dishing it back out both earned his respect and repelled him. And when she got married out of the blue that must have sent him over the edge. Maybe that's why he sang the song 'Eye love U but eye don't trust U anymore.' the last concert in Atlanta. The verse where it says 'good old days' he yells out 'the 80s!' and the next line is about his favorite protege. Maybe her marriage was the point of no return...someone did that to me once, and I swore I would never look them up online or in person ever again. And I haven't.

What is this DMSR book I hear people talking about? Did Prince write it? I think Prince got a kick out of people speculating on which song was about which girl. The mystery made it more interesting. However, he was very candid at the Melbourne show and even said that Denise knew those songs were about her.

i just read that Prince was very good friends with Tamron Hall since at least 2010 and they would text all the time, email, and talk on the phone for hours. I'm glad to hear that at least he had a good friend at the end and he wasn't alone except as he wanted to be. BUT it would be hard to be a chick and get that close to Prince without getting infatuated with him I think. she also is a 'vanity type'. Dude collected every woman on the planet who had a resemblance to her, but I still think she won the beauty and personality contests.

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

I have the DMSR book and I was reading today about how possessive Prince was about his girlfriends. He was apparently 'engaged' to Susan Moonsie the summer of 1981, and was still seeing other girls, but had meltdowns when 'his' girl was getting hit on or showed interest in another guy. Maybe he had Napoleon Syndrom that way. I think Vanity dishing it back out both earned his respect and repelled him. And when she got married out of the blue that must have sent him over the edge. Maybe that's why he sang the song 'Eye love U but eye don't trust U anymore.' the last concert in Atlanta. The verse where it says 'good old days' he yells out 'the 80s!' and the next line is about his favorite protege. Maybe her marriage was the point of no return...someone did that to me once, and I swore I would never look them up online or in person ever again. And I haven't.

What is this DMSR book I hear people talking about? Did Prince write it? I think Prince got a kick out of people speculating on which song was about which girl. The mystery made it more interesting. However, he was very candid at the Melbourne show and even said that Denise knew those songs were about her.

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DMSR book........I need to know too.

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purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

I have the DMSR book and I was reading today about how possessive Prince was about his girlfriends. He was apparently 'engaged' to Susan Moonsie the summer of 1981, and was still seeing other girls, but had meltdowns when 'his' girl was getting hit on or showed interest in another guy. Maybe he had Napoleon Syndrom that way. I think Vanity dishing it back out both earned his respect and repelled him. And when she got married out of the blue that must have sent him over the edge. Maybe that's why he sang the song 'Eye love U but eye don't trust U anymore.' the last concert in Atlanta. The verse where it says 'good old days' he yells out 'the 80s!' and the next line is about his favorite protege. Maybe her marriage was the point of no return...someone did that to me once, and I swore I would never look them up online or in person ever again. And I haven't.

What is this DMSR book I hear people talking about? Did Prince write it? I think Prince got a kick out of people speculating on which song was about which girl. The mystery made it more interesting. However, he was very candid at the Melbourne show and even said that Denise knew those songs were about her.

The book is Prince the First Decade: dancemusicsexromance and is OOP, the prices have gone way high after Prince died, like at least $100 for a used copy. Its by Per Nilsen who did alot of research and I think was good friend with the W&L crowd, so the book is a bit slanted towards Susannah and away from Vanity's importance. That is not my opinion only, many of the reviewers wrote that.

Many people consider DMSR and Possessed by Hahn to be the best books on Prince.

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I think all the Purple Rain songs are about Vanity, and many of the ones he wrote later too. I'm glad he confirmed some of them, because there was just too much inaccurate info in the public sphere put out there by the Revolution era people who I think, knew the value of being the wife/girlfriend of a superstar. With Vanity, it was always people asking Her about prince, she never claimed he asked her to marry him etc in fact she said she left because he was NOT faithful, marrying her etc. She was very humble in many ways, and extremely likeable.

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beachy said:

beachy said:

I remember when Diana Ross got married after a very short courtship to that rich dude, and it nearly killed Michael Jackson, who had been in love with her for years and had been secretly seeing her. He got busy with Thriller and Wham! Diana was married and he hadn't even met the dude. He was completely devestated, you can see it in the film on youtube at the AMAs when she presented him an award, and I have never seen him looking so lost and glum. He said it took him years to get over that/her.

I'm guessing Vanity's news hit Prince too, because it was so unexpected. She had moved out of LA in 1994 because the earthquake freaked her out, and ended up near Oakland, where she met that crazy football player, who was a huge giant, and must have made Prince feel real small. They got married in literally a month and 2 weeks later the exclusive story and cover of Jet came out on them. Wham! Take that, Prince!

I wonder if they really did meet up for dinner later, like some insider said that it did NOT go well. I bet he laid into her for not giving him any advance warning. Supposedly that meeting is where DWD comes from. But who knows this wasn't Prince saying it this time. Same thing with his song Dionne, someone said it was written after seeing the Jet story with all the pics. I think it fits, but who knows.

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beachy said:

beachy said:

30yearfan said:

I think that if Prince had died a year from now, or 5 years from now what you are saying might have been true. But Prince and Vanity died within weeks of each other. In the time between her death and his, we saw him publicly grieve for her by attending the memorial, speaking about her, and also revealing many of the songs that he had written about her. It's not a romantic notion it's what happened. I think that Prince is right where he wants to be. He is with the woman that he loves, his son, Chick, and most importantly he is with The Lord. It's amazing how much people are thinking about spiritual things since Prince has passed. I pray that through his life and music more people will come to know God or at least consider the things of God. A couple of other songs that may be relevant are Here and 4ever off the Lotusflow3r 3 disc. Check them out. Peace

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Thank you for your thoughts 30yearfan. With all due respect, I understand about the time frame, but I still maintain the belief that he did not subconsciously or consciously fall away because of Vanity's death. He was in the middle of a crisis, and the timing of trying to resolve it came close after. I did know before hand about him publicly speaking about her and dedicating songs to her. I don't doubt at all that he was emotional and I would expect that he would do something like this for her; he was honoring someone who was a part of his life, his past, and showing his respect. I would agree that this was hard on him and even more so because he was grieving in the public eye.

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What I meant when I said "romantic notion" was that I was referring to the thoughts that are being expressed here that Prince died because he couldn't live without Vanity because she was "the one" or his soulmate. A notion is a concept or belief about something. So, if someone were to think that he passed because of a debilitating depression over Vanity's death, that would be a belief, or notion, is my understanding. Thank you for sharing your spiritual thoughts and song suggestions. I will look them up. With respect.

cardinal said:

he was clearly grief stricken by her passing, but that does not have to mean its because she was his true love. many are grief stricken about his passing, too. men and women both. he said they used to love each other deeply, and no doubt he still cared for her, and she did for him. but they both went on to other lives and marriages, and in his recent interviews as well as his song lyrics, he was open to meeting, but had not yet met, the "right person." having a memory of a deep love and feeling loss does not necessarily mean the underlying love is still there. its human nature to remember strong feelings. as to the timing of their deaths, i think some like to link it because it might provide a modicum of comfort, like it was destiny or something. i think it was just a sad confluence of events.

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This is very well said, cardinal. Thank you for your thoughts.

RobotDevil said:

TopazGirl said:

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If Vanity were indeed Prince's other half, I think he would have fought to the teeth for her on this physical plane instead of the unhappy alternative of meeting her beyond the veil. But fight for her he did not. And that doesn't make him a bad person, he just had moved on with his life and he was in a different place. Honestly, what I feel happened to Prince is that when Vanity died it did hit him hard because I'm sure it brought back many memories and with that comes the memory of youth. I think it gave rise to a great deal of reflection as well as causing him to think about his own mortality and where he was in life. They were the same age after all and it was very well a shock of reality to him. I'm sure he spent many days with a range of swirling emotions surrounding him and great sadness. But I do not think that their souls were entangled in any way that he would follow her into the ether.

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If anything, I think that with her death, he wanted life even more. He wanted to live. I think he looked at it as a wake up call that he had more things he wanted to accomplish and he wanted to get busy. With this in mind, I think that is why he pushed himself so hard in recent months to perform even if he wasn't feeling the best. In addition to this and more importantly, if he did indeed have a dependence on pain medication, I also feel he was trying to wean himself off them on his own. Why? In part, I think her death made him look long and hard at himself and he didn't want what happened to her to happen to himself. I think he felt he was jeopardizing his health and life. In the midst of this, he either fell ill with the flu on top of it or it was simply him feeling ill because he was trying wean himself off the pain pills. I feel with all my heart that he wanted to live and was trying to take the necessary steps to assure he stayed on this earth. I think he was having trouble doing it on his own though. From what I understand of this type of pain medication, if one tries to wean themselves off it, the need can come back with a vengeance and the risk of accidental overdose is greater. When they had to emergency land the plane that night and there after, I feel that he knew he couldn't do it on his own anymore and everything was spinning out of control. This is when he agreed to meet with the specialist from California, I believe.

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I don't believe that Vanity's passing had anything to do with what happened to Prince in the way that is being implied. In reality, I think her death inspired him to live and to live better. The chain of events that followed is something he did not foresee. I've thought about this in depth (and cried a lot too) and wanted to express my thoughts on it. Thank you for reading and I gladly accept any comments or thoughts in return.

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I think this is a very thoughtful, insightful and well-reasoned post. I agree with you. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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Thank you for reading, I appreciate it.

kellyna said:

Well everyone is entitled to their own opinion and those of us who think that his relationship with Vanity was special and remained so all of his life is just as valid as interpretation as those who think otherwise.

I will say this, while I respect that there are many fans of Prince grieving, it is not remotely the same as grieving for someone that you knew personally, loved and shared part of your life with.

There are all kinds of different loves in life and some loves are more significant than others. It's also true that some loves and some people leave a more indelible mark on your heart and soul than others. There are also innumerable cases of people that love each other or loved each other that just don't end up together due to any number of circumstances, bad timing, immaturity, incompatibility etc. But that doesn't necessarily change the depth or passion of their feelings for the person. And plenty of people go to their grave, loving people that they didn't end up sharing their lives with. So one never knows.

I'm not saying that the death of Denise caused Prince's death. But if he was already struggling with chronic pain, insomnia, side effects of medication etc. as well as fighting being sick with the flu or whatever else, losing someone that meant a great deal to him certainly did not help and may have had an impact on his state of mind and his physical and emotional ability to remain healthy and strong. As others have pointed out, Prince was just as human as the rest of us and experienced all the moods that anyone else would including sadness and melacholy.

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Yes, I can agree with you that we all have an opinion and one is not justified over the other. I understand that some hold tight to the Vanity/Prince relationship and others see nothing between the two after they split. I don't promote that he loved one woman more than the other. I just think he loved and gave of himself for the woman he was with at that particular time and he was sincere as it was happening. Yes, he was human and he had a lot going on in his life at this point in time. I am sad thinking about all he could have been going through.

beachy said:

I think all the Purple Rain songs are about Vanity, and many of the ones he wrote later too. I'm glad he confirmed some of them, because there was just too much inaccurate info in the public sphere put out there by the Revolution era people who I think, knew the value of being the wife/girlfriend of a superstar. With Vanity, it was always people asking Her about prince, she never claimed he asked her to marry him etc in fact she said she left because he was NOT faithful, marrying her etc. She was very humble in many ways, and extremely likeable.

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He did ask/say in The Beautiful Ones that they could be married.....

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If i told you baby

that i was in love with you

oh baby baby baby baby

IF we got married

would that be cool?

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He also tried to get her back during the Nikki Sixx ''fiasco'' he said so in his book. Prince would send her flowers and notes that said things like dump him...take me back...so he did try.

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But yes, he WAS NOT a faithful boyfriend and/or husband, based on all i've read.

GeniusLuv said:

beachy said:

I think all the Purple Rain songs are about Vanity, and many of the ones he wrote later too. I'm glad he confirmed some of them, because there was just too much inaccurate info in the public sphere put out there by the Revolution era people who I think, knew the value of being the wife/girlfriend of a superstar. With Vanity, it was always people asking Her about prince, she never claimed he asked her to marry him etc in fact she said she left because he was NOT faithful, marrying her etc. She was very humble in many ways, and extremely likeable.

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He did ask/say in The Beautiful Ones that they could be married.....

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If i told you baby

that i was in love with you

oh baby baby baby baby

IF we got married

would that be cool?

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He also tried to get her back during the Nikki Sixx ''fiasco'' he said so in his book. Prince would send her flowers and notes that said things like dump him...take me back...so he did try.

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But yes, he WAS NOT a faithful boyfriend and/or husband, based on all i've read.

You know, quite a few of Prince's songs mention king and queen, beginning with The Ladder where he calls himself a king.

I think he must have felt entitled to have a harem.

Was the fight between P and Morris during the filming of PR to do with Denise too? there were rumours that she may have been the reason but I dont know if it was ever explained or not

TopazGirl said:

30yearfan said:

I think that if Prince had died a year from now, or 5 years from now what you are saying might have been true. But Prince and Vanity died within weeks of each other. In the time between her death and his, we saw him publicly grieve for her by attending the memorial, speaking about her, and also revealing many of the songs that he had written about her. It's not a romantic notion it's what happened. I think that Prince is right where he wants to be. He is with the woman that he loves, his son, Chick, and most importantly he is with The Lord. It's amazing how much people are thinking about spiritual things since Prince has passed. I pray that through his life and music more people will come to know God or at least consider the things of God. A couple of other songs that may be relevant are Here and 4ever off the Lotusflow3r 3 disc. Check them out. Peace

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Thank you for your thoughts 30yearfan. With all due respect, I understand about the time frame, but I still maintain the belief that he did not subconsciously or consciously fall away because of Vanity's death. He was in the middle of a crisis, and the timing of trying to resolve it came close after. I did know before hand about him publicly speaking about her and dedicating songs to her. I don't doubt at all that he was emotional and I would expect that he would do something like this for her; he was honoring someone who was a part of his life, his past, and showing his respect. I would agree that this was hard on him and even more so because he was grieving in the public eye.

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What I meant when I said "romantic notion" was that I was referring to the thoughts that are being expressed here that Prince died because he couldn't live without Vanity because she was "the one" or his soulmate. A notion is a concept or belief about something. So, if someone were to think that he passed because of a debilitating depression over Vanity's death, that would be a belief, or notion, is my understanding. Thank you for sharing your spiritual thoughts and song suggestions. I will look them up. With respect.

Hi Topaz

You can sure look at it that way if you want. It really all boils down to a difference in belief systems. In your belief system, there is no higher spiritual connection or purpose in romantic relationships and all boils down to chance, initiative, and fate. The confluence of both random and planned attempts rather than a higher purpose. I would just point out that Prince himself was very religious and believed in some kind of supernatural power. He gave significance to numbers (esp 7), and even told Vanity that they had been each other in another life. There's no scientific way to explain that sense of knowing, it is part of the mystery of life. While I personally don't believe there is necessarily one person who was meant to be with another in life, I certainly have no reason to not believe it either, even if for many people it does not appear to be true. For me Prince and Vanity appeared to have a special relationship based on their own sense of recognition of it. Whether it was ordained to be that way in the heavens I cannot say because it is beyond my knowledge. I cannot deny however that their lives paralleled or mirrored each other in ways beyond that of any other woman and Prince.

At any rate, I think we all understand your POV and thank you for sharing. But I doubt you will change anyone's beliefs, especially since in your world, there is not alot of meaning or emotional comfort to be had. And it might contradict the personal experience of some. The rational argument is kind of dead in the water, ie it makes discussions like this pointless.

I allow that earlier in life Prince may have felt that all women, including Vanity, were replaceable and expendable, much like his character in PR he had got along without others before and didn't need them. But if you look at the lyrics to his very recent song Revelation, he appears to now believe that there is a relationship that was meant to be, and hearkened back to ancient Egypt. It's only speculation because all lyrics are ambiguous but he seems to be saying time meant nothing because in a past life they were together.

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Don't know but Morris and her stayed friends, he even helped her with some solo music on one of her albums.

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When she was interviewed by Donnie Simpson in the 80's when PP was in the theaters and making huge money...she said she was still good with everyone in Princes camp and that they all wished her the best, she was sad to go..they were sad she left.....you can tell it was not easy for her to go off on her own.

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I remember she was sad, said she missed Prince...didn't want to see the movie bcuz ''she would miss him even more....'' It was about business, money, etc. not that she didn't love him anymore.

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He didn't want to pay her (she said that during a phone interview on a Christian radio station) and she helped write the outline to the movie and everything, the dialogue, songs were about the 2 of them, etc.

In the movie Morris is his rival for Vanity/Apples so you know..maybe some truth there....

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Iread she also had to strike a deal with him to use the name Vanity when she went to Motown, Prince owned it, he owned everything...so maybe that was his way of staying connected..in her life..not sure, but Motown had to obtain permission. Thatb deal meant she could live independently, pay her bills and not feed off of him..she wasn't a user and DID really love him. She didn't want to have a roof over her head because it belonged to HIM she wanted to earn her keep..and she was willing to work, but she wanted to be paaaaaid!

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She said in People magazine yeeeeeeears ago that she wanted one person to love her...but Prince needed many So you know that didn't help matters. They were both so young, in their 20's and Prince was becoming a MEGA Superstar...did they even have a chance????

GeniusLuv said:

Don't know but Morris and her stayed friends, he even helped her with some solo music on one of her albums.

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When she was interviewed by Donnie Simpson in the 80's when PP was in the theaters and making huge money...she said she was still good with everyone in Princes camp and that they all wished her the best, she was sad to go..they were sad she left.....you can tell it was not easy for her to go off on her own.

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I remember she was sad, said she missed Prince...didn't want to see the movie bcuz ''she would miss him even more....'' It was about business, money, etc. not that she didn't love him anymore.

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He didn't want to pay her (she said that during a phone interview on a Christian radio station) and she helped write the outline to the movie and everything, the dialogue, songs were about the 2 of them, etc.

In the movie Morris is his rival for Vanity/Apples so you know..maybe some truth there....

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Iread she also had to strike a deal with him to use the name Vanity when she went to Motown, Prince owned it, he owned everything...so maybe that was his way of staying connected..in her life..not sure, but Motown had to obtain permission. Thatb deal meant she could live independently, pay her bills and not feed off of him..she wasn't a user and DID really love him. She didn't want to have a roof over her head because it belonged to HIM she wanted to earn her keep..and she was willing to work, but she wanted to be paaaaaid!

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She said in People magazine yeeeeeeears ago that she wanted one person to love her...but Prince needed many So you know that didn't help matters. They were both so young, in their 20's and Prince was becoming a MEGA Superstar...did they even have a chance????

I have to give props to Vanity for wanting to be independent instead of agreeing to be part of his harem. Girl had guts. Too bad she was so emotionally damaged from her childhood. She needed Prince's ruthless focus in order to get as successful as someone like Madonna did, who basically stole alot of her shtick. Vanity appeared to lack boundaries. Its very common in abused children. Some would say her later evangelism was another kind of drug. After she got married to that football player he said he would come home and Vanity had brought people in off the street to clean them up. She didn't know when to stop, in a way her core was not formed well. But she went way further than most.

On youtube there's a video of an interview of her from looks like 1985 where she says she wants to make it on her own and stop talking about Prince. Not many of his other proteges said that.

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GeniusLuv said:

In the movie Morris is his rival for Vanity/Apples so you know..maybe some truth there....

Thats what I thought too, maybe real-life reflecting art. Jellybean, who broke it up, also said he had his theories but he didnt want to share them so who knows...

MitchBloodGreen said:

GeniusLuv said:

In the movie Morris is his rival for Vanity/Apples so you know..maybe some truth there....

Thats what I thought too, maybe real-life reflecting art. Jellybean, who broke it up, also said he had his theories but he didnt want to share them so who knows...

I read that Morris was like her brother. I don't know what the fight was about but both Morris and Vanity felt they were being held down and underpaid while Prince was promoting himself at their expense. Yet they were contributing to his success. Understandably they wanted to share financially in that success but Prince, growing up poor, loved the feeling of control and couldn't let go. Morris split shortly after this. Dez had already split. Alot of the triple threat band members were fed up.

I read from an insider's account that has not been published that Prince was c*ckblocking BrownMark because Vanity and him were flirting. She had already had a fling with Magnoli the director of PR, while Prince was having an affair with Jill Jones. So the whole relationship was already a mess. She was probably smart to leave, although had she been able to stay she probably would have been an even bigger star. At the time she was talking to Scorsese to appear in Last Temptation so from her POV yeah that was a good reason to move on. But Last Temptation got delayed. Bad luck.

I have to give Vanity props also for not being jealous and hateful to Jill Jones. Jill had lovely things to say about Vanity and vice versa. Jill was at her funeral too. Everyone seems to have loved Vanity except for W&L and their crowd, but I imagine they wanted Susannah to take over the queen role and wanted Vanity out of the way entirely.

Andre Cymone claims he took her on a few dates and that Morris told him she was unattached to Prince. This was for a Minneapolis Music Award but I am not sure which year.

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beachy said:

GeniusLuv said:

Don't know but Morris and her stayed friends, he even helped her with some solo music on one of her albums.

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When she was interviewed by Donnie Simpson in the 80's when PP was in the theaters and making huge money...she said she was still good with everyone in Princes camp and that they all wished her the best, she was sad to go..they were sad she left.....you can tell it was not easy for her to go off on her own.

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I remember she was sad, said she missed Prince...didn't want to see the movie bcuz ''she would miss him even more....'' It was about business, money, etc. not that she didn't love him anymore.

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He didn't want to pay her (she said that during a phone interview on a Christian radio station) and she helped write the outline to the movie and everything, the dialogue, songs were about the 2 of them, etc.

In the movie Morris is his rival for Vanity/Apples so you know..maybe some truth there....

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Iread she also had to strike a deal with him to use the name Vanity when she went to Motown, Prince owned it, he owned everything...so maybe that was his way of staying connected..in her life..not sure, but Motown had to obtain permission. Thatb deal meant she could live independently, pay her bills and not feed off of him..she wasn't a user and DID really love him. She didn't want to have a roof over her head because it belonged to HIM she wanted to earn her keep..and she was willing to work, but she wanted to be paaaaaid!

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She said in People magazine yeeeeeeears ago that she wanted one person to love her...but Prince needed many So you know that didn't help matters. They were both so young, in their 20's and Prince was becoming a MEGA Superstar...did they even have a chance????

I have to give props to Vanity for wanting to be independent instead of agreeing to be part of his harem. Girl had guts. Too bad she was so emotionally damaged from her childhood. She needed Prince's ruthless focus in order to get as successful as someone like Madonna did, who basically stole alot of her shtick. Vanity appeared to lack boundaries. Its very common in abused children. Some would say her later evangelism was another kind of drug. After she got married to that football player he said he would come home and Vanity had brought people in off the street to clean them up. She didn't know when to stop, in a way her core was not formed well. But she went way further than most.

On youtube there's a video of an interview of her from looks like 1985 where she says she wants to make it on her own and stop talking about Prince. Not many of his other proteges said that.

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Maybe that was part of it too...Prince knew she wasn't using him, or didn't want to do that (i'll do whatever you say, do what you want with other women, etc.) to be with him..she wanted to make it on her own and be famous on her own terms..thats something to really respect in a person and back then in the 80's most women were not allowed to be that way or even wanted to, its much easier to stay with your rich, superstar boyfriend and reap the rewards of his fame.

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I am sure he respected her for being as he called her after she died ''very head strong..'' maybe made him want her more....

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My 3 brothers always told me men want the girl that doesn't need or want anything from them..they have self respect and don't put up with a guys shiiiot..they respect them more for standing up for themselves...mabe thats why he always had a ''thing'' for her, even when she left him and he tried to get her back?

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And yes her childhood abuse was traumatic and really very sad. She talked about her father and he was really a sick man and the girl was lucky she made it out in one piece, sadly i think she was very broken (tried to drowned it out with drugs) and didn't want to be with a man who didn't cherish her properly..just becase a man loves you..doesn't mean he can treat you right.

Here's a story I copied from the internet before it got deleted from that insider in Prince's camp. The insider did not become one until 1989 though so these stories must be second hand from other insiders and some details seem off. Still, I like the water pistol story alot. And there was apparently a longer history to that Orgasm clip, it started with PR.

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"Vanity came on the scene like 1980 and she was originally there on invitation by Rick James till she decided she preferred Prince. Her and Tatiana Thumbtzen (or whatever her name is) was friends and that’s how P got with her too later. Now, the story goes that they saw each other across the room and instantly got obsessed. Prince smooth talked and flirted with her, and then asked her to the bathrooms to swap coats. When he took his coat off, he had nothing on underneath! She must’ve seen something she liked, for real, cause from that night him & Vanity was an item. You know her stage name was originally gonna be Vagina (like Geena but with the V in front!) but she said no, then P picked Vanity because it’s a girl’s best friend apparently. OK.. Vanity was from a messed up home and allegedly her daddy beat her too. She also had a great sense of humor, and her and P would go to real fancy restaurants and secretly shoot at people with water-guns and then tried to stop their laughing when people kept looking around real confused, like the ceiling was leaking or some shit! Sounds like him LOOOL! Prince ended up pushing Susan (Moonsie) down cause of this, she was originally gonna be the lead of the Vanity 6 project until V came along. His assistant said that once she had to check in on him as he hadn’t been seen for a while! Turned out P and Vanity did not leave his house for days (this was before Paisley was built) because they spent all that time just doing Prince’s favorite things; recording, rehearsing and f*king non-stop!"


"That backwards girl laughing and moaning was actually a tape of Prince and Vanity sexing. My girl heard it all the way through, Prince was being REAL loud on it; this I believe from first-hand experience"

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MitchBloodGreen said:

GeniusLuv said:

In the movie Morris is his rival for Vanity/Apples so you know..maybe some truth there....

Thats what I thought too, maybe real-life reflecting art. Jellybean, who broke it up, also said he had his theories but he didnt want to share them so who knows...

I always thought the Morris Day character in PR represented Rick James who was going to put Vanity at the head of HIS girl group called Mary Jane Girls, then Prince stole her from him for Vanity 6. The Prince and Rick James rivalry was pretty legendary.

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I wonder if UTCM was autobiographical too. If so, who do the characters represent, and whose story is it?

I just watched a YouTube video of Vanity's appearance on Letterman back in the day ... wow she was georgeous, far more beautiful than she appeared to me on the album cover and music videos. Great personality too, she came across as very sweet and enjoyed talking with Dave so much that she didn't want to leave.