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starkitty

So is prince letting the time

Use the name The Time again? What will happen to The 0r1g1n@l 7even?
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Reply #1 posted 01/26/16 5:43pm

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starkitty said:

Use the name The Time again? What will happen to The 0r1g1n@l 7even?


They never stopped for live shows. For some reason it was only the album that Prince cared about.
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Reply #2 posted 01/26/16 7:18pm

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Hmm but not the case with the family, I guess?
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Reply #3 posted 01/26/16 9:48pm

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starkitty said:

Hmm but not the case with the family, I guess?


My sense is that FDeluxe is committed to making it as a viable modern unit, hence sticking with the new name. Morris is more interested in raking in that nostalgia money.
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Reply #4 posted 01/27/16 5:28am

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starkitty said:
Hmm but not the case with the family, I guess?
My sense is that FDeluxe is committed to making it as a viable modern unit, hence sticking with the new name. Morris is more interested in raking in that nostalgia money.

But they have been known as the Time for so long, it's like Sheila E becoming Latina Barbie Doll, it would make it harder for them to be visible

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Reply #5 posted 01/27/16 9:34am

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Use the name The Time again? What will happen to The 0r1g1n@l 7even?

What are you talking about? eek

Morris Day & The Time is a band that's been touring for 20 years.

The Original 7ven were stillborn a minute after the album was out, when Jesse, then Jimmy and Terry walked out.

No one has used the name The Time since 1991... except Prince when he released a song by The Time on NPGMC in 2001!

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Reply #6 posted 01/27/16 11:11am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

TwiliteKid said:

starkitty said: My sense is that FDeluxe is committed to making it as a viable modern unit, hence sticking with the new name. Morris is more interested in raking in that nostalgia money.

But they have been known as the Time for so long, it's like Sheila E becoming Latina Barbie Doll, it would make it harder for them to be visible

Exactly - the members of FDeluxe were clearly willing to take that risk, but Morris isn't.

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Reply #7 posted 01/27/16 7:56pm

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As long as it's Morris Day & The Time aka "Part-Time", and NOT The Original 7ven (including Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis & Jesse Johnson), aka "Full-Time". Get it???

cool cool cool cool cool cool cool

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Exactly - the members of FDeluxe were clearly willing to take that risk, but Morris isn't.

The difference is The Time is well known with the older R&B audience, with several R&B hits and 2 or 3 songs that crossed over to the pop Top 40. The Family is basically a 1 hit wonder in R&B. Few know who they are, so it doesn't matter if The Family have a new name. The gospel group called The Family is probably more well known than the other one. Morris & Jesse had some solo success and the Flyte Tyme crew produced many hits.

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Reply #9 posted 01/28/16 4:08pm

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As long as it's Morris Day & The Time aka "Part-Time", and NOT The Original 7ven (including Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis & Jesse Johnson), aka "Full-Time". Get it???


cool cool cool cool cool cool cool


Wait - Part Time can use the name, Full Time can't?
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Reply #10 posted 01/28/16 11:11pm

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woogiebear said:

As long as it's Morris Day & The Time aka "Part-Time", and NOT The Original 7ven (including Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis & Jesse Johnson), aka "Full-Time". Get it???

cool cool cool cool cool cool cool

Wait - Part Time can use the name, Full Time can't?

What happened is:

In 1995 or 1996 Morris Day reassembled the band without Jam, Lewis and Johnson and, because he also had a solo career, started touring as "Morris Day & The Time". Prince didn't move and even invited them to guest-star on the Rave Un2 The Year 2000 video album under that name.

In 2004 Morris Day & The Time wanted to release their live album It's About Time as "The Time" (or maybe "Morris Day & The Time", this is unclear). Prince somehow learned about it and said no, so it was released as a "Morris Day" album.

In 2010 the original band reformed and recorded a new album. Prince, learning about the announcement, told them they couldn't use the name "The Time" and therefore they redubbed themselves "The Original 7ven". They played some gigs as well and Morris Day & The Time was put on temporary hiatus.

Soon after Johnson, then Jam & Lewis walked out the project and Morris Day resumed touring with the Morris Day & The Time line-up and under that name.

Basically Morris Day & The Time and The Original 7ven were always 2 separate bands despite sharing bandmembers.

For some reason Prince seems to consider "Morris Day & The Time" an accptable name, at least for live shows, maybe simply because he wasn't able to take legal action in time to prevent them from touring under that name when they began to, and he just shrugged before the fait accompli. But he considers "The Time" his property.

My guess is that, for both The Time and The Family, Prince wishes to ensure his ownership of the Family masters, and hopes to claim the Time masters from WB when the 35 years law allows him to (since he wasn't able to get them back alongside his own albums), and that's why he claims the names. Allowing the bands to use their respective names may give them a right to claim the masters for themselves, but the fact that both bands backed off using the names is somewhat a tacit recognition of Prince's ownership of the concept. I would assume P's lawyers advised him in those matters.

Interestingly, Prince also deposed a copyight notice for the names Mazarati and Good Question in the mid-2000's, even though he had little to do with Mazarati and nothing to do with GQ. I believe this is also a way to ensure he'll keep ownership of those 2 albums' masters.

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Reply #11 posted 01/29/16 9:24am

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^^When the original members performed in Las Vegas in 2008 and with Rihanna on The Grammy Awards, they were called The Time, not Original 7ven or Morris Day & The Time


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Reply #13 posted 01/29/16 12:30pm

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databank said:

starkitty said:

woogiebear said: Wait - Part Time can use the name, Full Time can't?

What happened is:

In 1995 or 1996 Morris Day reassembled the band without Jam, Lewis and Johnson and, because he also had a solo career, started touring as "Morris Day & The Time". Prince didn't move and even invited them to guest-star on the Rave Un2 The Year 2000 video album under that name.

In 2004 Morris Day & The Time wanted to release their live album It's About Time as "The Time" (or maybe "Morris Day & The Time", this is unclear). Prince somehow learned about it and said no, so it was released as a "Morris Day" album.

In 2010 the original band reformed and recorded a new album. Prince, learning about the announcement, told them they couldn't use the name "The Time" and therefore they redubbed themselves "The Original 7ven". They played some gigs as well and Morris Day & The Time was put on temporary hiatus.

Soon after Johnson, then Jam & Lewis walked out the project and Morris Day resumed touring with the Morris Day & The Time line-up and under that name.

Basically Morris Day & The Time and The Original 7ven were always 2 separate bands despite sharing bandmembers.

For some reason Prince seems to consider "Morris Day & The Time" an accptable name, at least for live shows, maybe simply because he wasn't able to take legal action in time to prevent them from touring under that name when they began to, and he just shrugged before the fait accompli. But he considers "The Time" his property.

My guess is that, for both The Time and The Family, Prince wishes to ensure his ownership of the Family masters, and hopes to claim the Time masters from WB when the 35 years law allows him to (since he wasn't able to get them back alongside his own albums), and that's why he claims the names. Allowing the bands to use their respective names may give them a right to claim the masters for themselves, but the fact that both bands backed off using the names is somewhat a tacit recognition of Prince's ownership of the concept. I would assume P's lawyers advised him in those matters.

Interestingly, Prince also deposed a copyight notice for the names Mazarati and Good Question in the mid-2000's, even though he had little to do with Mazarati and nothing to do with GQ. I believe this is also a way to ensure he'll keep ownership of those 2 albums' masters.

When the first did the reunion shows in 08 they were called The Time. I have the ticket stubs and T shirts that clearly state that. Morris Day and the Time never stopped playing gigs. I saw 8 shows by the original line up that year and 5 by the touring line up including a July 6 show at the Essence fest in New Orleans that was in between the two runs the original line up played in Vegas.

In 2010 when the rumblings about the album were going strong, that's when Prince put the squash on it. I saw two shows by the original line up on May 29-30 and my backstage pass says "The Original Time Band" There was active discussions backstage about what they were going to call themselves on the album and I thought some of their other suggestions were better that what they ended up using. Again the touring line up never stopped playing as I saw shows before and after the ones by the original line up that year.

[Edited 1/29/16 12:31pm]

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Reply #14 posted 01/31/16 8:58am

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databank said:

What happened is:

In 1995 or 1996 Morris Day reassembled the band without Jam, Lewis and Johnson and, because he also had a solo career, started touring as "Morris Day & The Time". Prince didn't move and even invited them to guest-star on the Rave Un2 The Year 2000 video album under that name.

In 2004 Morris Day & The Time wanted to release their live album It's About Time as "The Time" (or maybe "Morris Day & The Time", this is unclear). Prince somehow learned about it and said no, so it was released as a "Morris Day" album.

In 2010 the original band reformed and recorded a new album. Prince, learning about the announcement, told them they couldn't use the name "The Time" and therefore they redubbed themselves "The Original 7ven". They played some gigs as well and Morris Day & The Time was put on temporary hiatus.

Soon after Johnson, then Jam & Lewis walked out the project and Morris Day resumed touring with the Morris Day & The Time line-up and under that name.

Basically Morris Day & The Time and The Original 7ven were always 2 separate bands despite sharing bandmembers.

For some reason Prince seems to consider "Morris Day & The Time" an accptable name, at least for live shows, maybe simply because he wasn't able to take legal action in time to prevent them from touring under that name when they began to, and he just shrugged before the fait accompli. But he considers "The Time" his property.

My guess is that, for both The Time and The Family, Prince wishes to ensure his ownership of the Family masters, and hopes to claim the Time masters from WB when the 35 years law allows him to (since he wasn't able to get them back alongside his own albums), and that's why he claims the names. Allowing the bands to use their respective names may give them a right to claim the masters for themselves, but the fact that both bands backed off using the names is somewhat a tacit recognition of Prince's ownership of the concept. I would assume P's lawyers advised him in those matters.

Interestingly, Prince also deposed a copyight notice for the names Mazarati and Good Question in the mid-2000's, even though he had little to do with Mazarati and nothing to do with GQ. I believe this is also a way to ensure he'll keep ownership of those 2 albums' masters.

When the first did the reunion shows in 08 they were called The Time. I have the ticket stubs and T shirts that clearly state that. Morris Day and the Time never stopped playing gigs. I saw 8 shows by the original line up that year and 5 by the touring line up including a July 6 show at the Essence fest in New Orleans that was in between the two runs the original line up played in Vegas.

In 2010 when the rumblings about the album were going strong, that's when Prince put the squash on it. I saw two shows by the original line up on May 29-30 and my backstage pass says "The Original Time Band" There was active discussions backstage about what they were going to call themselves on the album and I thought some of their other suggestions were better that what they ended up using. Again the touring line up never stopped playing as I saw shows before and after the ones by the original line up that year.

[Edited 1/29/16 12:31pm]

Thx for the additional info biggrin

I didn't remember that TO7 had reformed and toured before the album's release. Neither did I know that both bands coexisted. Having both The Time/The O7 and Morris Day & The Time touring at the same time is funny.

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Reply #15 posted 02/01/16 12:17pm

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Live shows billed as The Time, okay, but I don't think new albums (if The Time records them) would be allowed to be called The Time.

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databank said:

starkitty said:

woogiebear said: Wait - Part Time can use the name, Full Time can't?

What happened is:

In 1995 or 1996 Morris Day reassembled the band without Jam, Lewis and Johnson and, because he also had a solo career, started touring as "Morris Day & The Time". Prince didn't move and even invited them to guest-star on the Rave Un2 The Year 2000 video album under that name.

In 2004 Morris Day & The Time wanted to release their live album It's About Time as "The Time" (or maybe "Morris Day & The Time", this is unclear). Prince somehow learned about it and said no, so it was released as a "Morris Day" album.

In 2010 the original band reformed and recorded a new album. Prince, learning about the announcement, told them they couldn't use the name "The Time" and therefore they redubbed themselves "The Original 7ven". They played some gigs as well and Morris Day & The Time was put on temporary hiatus.

Soon after Johnson, then Jam & Lewis walked out the project and Morris Day resumed touring with the Morris Day & The Time line-up and under that name.

Basically Morris Day & The Time and The Original 7ven were always 2 separate bands despite sharing bandmembers.

For some reason Prince seems to consider "Morris Day & The Time" an accptable name, at least for live shows, maybe simply because he wasn't able to take legal action in time to prevent them from touring under that name when they began to, and he just shrugged before the fait accompli. But he considers "The Time" his property.

My guess is that, for both The Time and The Family, Prince wishes to ensure his ownership of the Family masters, and hopes to claim the Time masters from WB when the 35 years law allows him to (since he wasn't able to get them back alongside his own albums), and that's why he claims the names. Allowing the bands to use their respective names may give them a right to claim the masters for themselves, but the fact that both bands backed off using the names is somewhat a tacit recognition of Prince's ownership of the concept. I would assume P's lawyers advised him in those matters.

Interestingly, Prince also deposed a copyight notice for the names Mazarati and Good Question in the mid-2000's, even though he had little to do with Mazarati and nothing to do with GQ. I believe this is also a way to ensure he'll keep ownership of those 2 albums' masters.

Thanks 4 the history

Weren't the band named Mazarati before the signed to Paisley Park?

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Reply #17 posted 02/02/16 7:57pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

databank said:

What happened is:

In 1995 or 1996 Morris Day reassembled the band without Jam, Lewis and Johnson and, because he also had a solo career, started touring as "Morris Day & The Time". Prince didn't move and even invited them to guest-star on the Rave Un2 The Year 2000 video album under that name.

In 2004 Morris Day & The Time wanted to release their live album It's About Time as "The Time" (or maybe "Morris Day & The Time", this is unclear). Prince somehow learned about it and said no, so it was released as a "Morris Day" album.

In 2010 the original band reformed and recorded a new album. Prince, learning about the announcement, told them they couldn't use the name "The Time" and therefore they redubbed themselves "The Original 7ven". They played some gigs as well and Morris Day & The Time was put on temporary hiatus.

Soon after Johnson, then Jam & Lewis walked out the project and Morris Day resumed touring with the Morris Day & The Time line-up and under that name.

Basically Morris Day & The Time and The Original 7ven were always 2 separate bands despite sharing bandmembers.

For some reason Prince seems to consider "Morris Day & The Time" an accptable name, at least for live shows, maybe simply because he wasn't able to take legal action in time to prevent them from touring under that name when they began to, and he just shrugged before the fait accompli. But he considers "The Time" his property.

My guess is that, for both The Time and The Family, Prince wishes to ensure his ownership of the Family masters, and hopes to claim the Time masters from WB when the 35 years law allows him to (since he wasn't able to get them back alongside his own albums), and that's why he claims the names. Allowing the bands to use their respective names may give them a right to claim the masters for themselves, but the fact that both bands backed off using the names is somewhat a tacit recognition of Prince's ownership of the concept. I would assume P's lawyers advised him in those matters.

Interestingly, Prince also deposed a copyight notice for the names Mazarati and Good Question in the mid-2000's, even though he had little to do with Mazarati and nothing to do with GQ. I believe this is also a way to ensure he'll keep ownership of those 2 albums' masters.

Thanks 4 the history

Weren't the band named Mazarati before the signed to Paisley Park?

I guess they've been called Mazarati from day 1. Not sure about their history: I think I've read Mark "discovered" them, not formed them from scratch, but in that case they must have been some sort of cover band playing in clubs, since they didn't seem to have a catalogue of their own songs and Mark ended-up writing their songs.

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Reply #18 posted 02/03/16 9:10pm

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Rhastus said:

When the first did the reunion shows in 08 they were called The Time. I have the ticket stubs and T shirts that clearly state that. Morris Day and the Time never stopped playing gigs. I saw 8 shows by the original line up that year and 5 by the touring line up including a July 6 show at the Essence fest in New Orleans that was in between the two runs the original line up played in Vegas.

In 2010 when the rumblings about the album were going strong, that's when Prince put the squash on it. I saw two shows by the original line up on May 29-30 and my backstage pass says "The Original Time Band" There was active discussions backstage about what they were going to call themselves on the album and I thought some of their other suggestions were better that what they ended up using. Again the touring line up never stopped playing as I saw shows before and after the ones by the original line up that year.

[Edited 1/29/16 12:31pm]

Thx for the additional info biggrin

I didn't remember that TO7 had reformed and toured before the album's release. Neither did I know that both bands coexisted. Having both The Time/The O7 and Morris Day & The Time touring at the same time is funny.

The shows in 2010 were good, but the ones in 2008. WOW.

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