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lauralevesque said:

I would just like to say, for the record, that I take back my "love" for R.Kelley's ex- My God, after last nights show and watching her cry for the gagillionth time, "I just want to DANCE, Maaaaaaannnnn!" I realized how ridiculous she is. I was really loving her on episode one, but after last nights show.......I even think Mayte thought she was being ridiculous- Mayte just kind of stood there as she broke into tears for the millionth time, looking uncomfortable. It's also starting to make me uncomfortable that Mayte keeps bringing up the baby- I know it's a horrible thing and I'm not saying she should get over it, but it's starting to feel like the producers have prodded her to talk about it every time they want a crying scene and it's starting to feel a little......I don't know.

I totally agree with this post.

Genesia said:

prodigalfan said:

And that is it in a nutshell. Many of us have had parts of life's tragedy happen to us. Divorce, or loss of career and self identity, betrayal of loved ones or loss of a child.

But Mayte had all of this happened to her at once.

I keep hearing that Mani was Mayte's assistant before Prince hooked up with her. So the way Prince kept away from family I would imagine Mani and Mayte probably got pretty tight because for Mayte, there was no one else her age that she could socialize with.

Then Mani hooks up with her husband. It was probably like Mayte's best friend and confidant betraying her with her husband. ULTIMATE betrayal.

And now that Prince is older and to me he seems more grounded; I imagine he does regret how things went down between him and Mayte especially seeing how she can't move on and is basically whithering away on the vine.

But what can he do about it now? Too much time and things have happened for them to ever work together to fix it.

I hope this show leads to Mayte healing. And PTSD is probably close to what she went through.

And I do think Genesia is correct. To have your first EVERYTHING to be a man like Prince.... it is a pretty hard act to follow. And things can only go down hill.

Imagine being 16 and inexperienced and the cute guy who is blowing your head with sunshine is PRINCE!!

Imagine being 26 and a divorcee and buried 1 (maybe 2) children.

So sad.

And I can't help but feel badly of the pimpette in this triangle. Mani is tough. She is going to get hers. She just moved on from that train wreck pretty much unscathed.

The other person (besides Mani) for whom I can't feel any affection is Mayte's mom. That woman, whose primary job should have been to protect her child, exploited her from an early age, and then waved her under the nose of a grownass man who exploited her baby even worse. And now, she's basically sponging off of Mayte. She should hang her head in shame.

How do you know Mani had anything to do with Prince's breakup with Mayte and why would they be doing a scene together if that was true. I think loosing the child and Prince not letting Mayte mourn properly and Prince not being there for her physically and emotionally broke them up. I wish Mayte would've gotten remarried and had more children again and moved on like Manuella did. Ya'll orgers kill me thinking ya'll know every damn thing when you don't know shit!

I think they keep Mayte bringing up the baby because she is not allowed to or won't go into details that caused issues in her marriage/relationship, which might help her move on in the long run. I do hope that once the series has finished she has found what is missing from her life
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I THINk many people have the sentiment that if Mani had not entered the picture, MAYBE Prince and Mayte may have been permitted the chance to put things back on track.

another woman in the picture was just too much for that marriage to bear.

And nothing personal really toward the woman... Manuela. Because if not her, it would have been someone else. So I guess it goes back to Prince really seeking out another woman... ANY woman during this time.

but it WAS Mani who was seen at the celebrations acting like she was the queen of the manor while Mayte was stuck in Spain without Prince. and it was Mani who was thanked by Prince on the same album that he wrote the song for Mayte, and was also used for Mayte's dance troupe to do its ballet shows.... so the conclusion is that Mani and Mayte's time with Prince overlapped.

and also I thought I saw a posting of a video of Prince getting a kiss from Mani backed stage before going out on stage to perform, and the song performed was Jam of the year... so again it would appear she was in the picture during Mayte's marriage.

And several weeks after his divorce was final with Mayte, (2000 according to Mayte herself,) he was married to Mani.

I dunno, I know what I would think if I was Mayte, or her friends and family.

Maybe YOU would think something different if your man was acting this way with a female acquaintance.

Whatever.... Mayte talked about how she was tired of being angry and sad, and so she let those feelings go. and she let both parties know that she doesn't hold ill will toward them. BETTER THAN ME... I can tell you that.

But that is why I feel so bad for what she went through. It was stuff they make up on soap operas.

and yet she still comes across as positive and kind hearted.

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This show is a joke, and regardless what Mayte is trying to achieve with it, she's putting his dead kid in the foreground searching for sympathy and still cashin on Prince reputation.

If she had grace, she would never do crap series like that, and never in a million years I'd think she's not over Prince yet, you need to be so much over and done with it in order to appear in a show like that.

Whatever her motivations are, good luck for her, but Prince is not one of it, and this show is boring as shit.

2elijah said:

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What U had written made sense, so why the edit?

OzlemUcucu said:

This show is a joke, and regardless what Mayte is trying to achieve with it, she's putting his dead kid in the foreground searching for sympathy and still cashin on Prince reputation.

If she had grace, she would never do crap series like that, and never in a million years I'd think she's not over Prince yet, you need to be so much over and done with it in order to appear in a show like that.

Whatever her motivations are, good luck for her, but Prince is not one of it, and this show is boring as shit.

I like the show. Mayte's story is only 1/4 of the show. The other women's stories have my interest as well. Their audience target is women 18 - 49.

Somehow I think you are not of that demographics... so...

OzlemUcucu said:

This show is a joke, and regardless what Mayte is trying to achieve with it, she's putting his dead kid in the foreground searching for sympathy and still cashin on Prince reputation.

If she had grace, she would never do crap series like that, and never in a million years I'd think she's not over Prince yet, you need to be so much over and done with it in order to appear in a show like that.

Whatever her motivations are, good luck for her, but Prince is not one of it, and this show is boring as shit.

Iagree with this post.If I were Prince I would be angry.To have my died child mention this way.I'm a Mayte fan but she's had 12+yrs to talk about it.People act as if that isn't his child to.I think if Mayte would be talking up a storm if the wasn't a gag order.

I would not go on a show and bare my soul. But really what exactly is she saying?

Her OWN feelings about something that happened to HER.

She hasn't mentioned the baby's name, the events that happened in the delivery room. who was present, what city it was in.

All she talks about are things that are of PUBLIC record. His birth and death certificate was issued by a public official. It is a public record.

All she is sharing is her response to a sad event to happen to her.

That is all.

Like I said, I wouldn't do that. But if it helps her... it is HER STORY.

And also I have noticed that she talks about her life before she met him, and her feelings after they were done.

Nothing specific about their life together other than the fact she was in his band, they were married in 1996, had a baby that died, and divorced in 2000. All of these things are PUBLIC record. You can go to the court house in that county and get evidence for yourself.

I continue to wish the best. I hope people watch this show and get face recognition and this will translate to future sucesses.

Mayte has nothing to feel ashamed about. I think there are others who should feel some remorse,

starafree said:

OzlemUcucu said:

This show is a joke, and regardless what Mayte is trying to achieve with it, she's putting his dead kid in the foreground searching for sympathy and still cashin on Prince reputation.

If she had grace, she would never do crap series like that, and never in a million years I'd think she's not over Prince yet, you need to be so much over and done with it in order to appear in a show like that.

Whatever her motivations are, good luck for her, but Prince is not one of it, and this show is boring as shit.

Iagree with this post.If I were Prince I would be angry.To have my died child mention this way.I'm a Mayte fan but she's had 12+yrs to talk about it.People act as if that isn't his child to.I think if Mayte would be talking up a storm if the wasn't a gag order.

Yes, and most people watching and symphatizin with her are either Prince fans or fans anyhow of a musical genuis, so I understand the curiosity.

Prince is likely to be angry, but he doesn't wanna talk with her in this life anymore, I think this decision was made years ago so at that point nothing really matters anyway.

prodigalfan said:

I would not go on a show and bare my soul. But really what exactly is she saying?

Her OWN feelings about something that happened to HER.

She hasn't mentioned the baby's name, the events that happened in the delivery room. who was present, what city it was in.

All she talks about are things that are of PUBLIC record. His birth and death certificate was issued by a public official. It is a public record.

All she is sharing is her response to a sad event to happen to her.

That is all.

Like I said, I wouldn't do that. But if it helps her... it is HER STORY.

And also I have noticed that she talks about her life before she met him, and her feelings after they were done.

Nothing specific about their life together other than the fact she was in his band, they were married in 1996, had a baby that died, and divorced in 2000. All of these things are PUBLIC record. You can go to the court house in that county and get evidence for yourself.

I continue to wish the best. I hope people watch this show and get face recognition and this will translate to future sucesses.

Mayte has nothing to feel ashamed about. I think there are others who should feel some remorse,

I respectfully agree with your post.But now she has put Prince in a place where the media will now ask him about it.He may not be ready now if ever to talk about it.Plus why didn't she say out right the misscarrage was tommy's.I think she wants in some way to have people think it was princes.

prodigalfan said:

I would not go on a show and bare my soul. But really what exactly is she saying?

Her OWN feelings about something that happened to HER.

She hasn't mentioned the baby's name, the events that happened in the delivery room. who was present, what city it was in.

All she talks about are things that are of PUBLIC record. His birth and death certificate was issued by a public official. It is a public record.

All she is sharing is her response to a sad event to happen to her.

That is all.

Like I said, I wouldn't do that. But if it helps her... it is HER STORY.

And also I have noticed that she talks about her life before she met him, and her feelings after they were done.

Nothing specific about their life together other than the fact she was in his band, they were married in 1996, had a baby that died, and divorced in 2000. All of these things are PUBLIC record. You can go to the court house in that county and get evidence for yourself.

I continue to wish the best. I hope people watch this show and get face recognition and this will translate to future sucesses.

Mayte has nothing to feel ashamed about. I think there are others who should feel some remorse,

Hmmmm not sure, if I was not a Prince fan but generally reality show fan this is exactly the kinda stuff would hold my attention, the whole drama of a celeb and baby dying etc....so really she's cashin on the drama of that story, which is a shame. She's makin a soap opera of the whole thing.

I see no other reason why people should be interested in Mayte, her marriage was such a long time ago. The other women's stories are far more interesting and they have kids.

prodigalfan said:

OzlemUcucu said:

This show is a joke, and regardless what Mayte is trying to achieve with it, she's putting his dead kid in the foreground searching for sympathy and still cashin on Prince reputation.

If she had grace, she would never do crap series like that, and never in a million years I'd think she's not over Prince yet, you need to be so much over and done with it in order to appear in a show like that.

Whatever her motivations are, good luck for her, but Prince is not one of it, and this show is boring as shit.

I like the show. Mayte's story is only 1/4 of the show. The other women's stories have my interest as well. Their audience target is women 18 - 49.

Somehow I think you are not of that demographics... so...

No, I don't support that kinda show. These women had/have so much and now since they are divorced they are talking how devastating things are and moved on and move on...while still being dependent on their ex.

I'm a realist, this kinda shows are just what they are...shit and have nothign to do with average women in real life that have to feed their kids with or without ex.

starafree said:

prodigalfan said:

I would not go on a show and bare my soul. But really what exactly is she saying?

Her OWN feelings about something that happened to HER.

She hasn't mentioned the baby's name, the events that happened in the delivery room. who was present, what city it was in.

All she talks about are things that are of PUBLIC record. His birth and death certificate was issued by a public official. It is a public record.

All she is sharing is her response to a sad event to happen to her.

That is all.

Like I said, I wouldn't do that. But if it helps her... it is HER STORY.

And also I have noticed that she talks about her life before she met him, and her feelings after they were done.

Nothing specific about their life together other than the fact she was in his band, they were married in 1996, had a baby that died, and divorced in 2000. All of these things are PUBLIC record. You can go to the court house in that county and get evidence for yourself.

I continue to wish the best. I hope people watch this show and get face recognition and this will translate to future sucesses.

Mayte has nothing to feel ashamed about. I think there are others who should feel some remorse,

I respectfully agree with your post.But now she has put Prince in a place where the media will now ask him about it.He may not be ready now if ever to talk about it.Plus why didn't she say out right the misscarrage was tommy's.I think she wants in some way to have people think it was princes.

Oh the second pregnancy was with Tommy??

Okay... that makes me think that she has moved on. Most of her distress is about the loss of her baby, and the loss of living a dream. So I guess that rings true. But the china on display...

prodigalfan said:

starafree said:

I respectfully agree with your post.But now she has put Prince in a place where the media will now ask him about it.He may not be ready now if ever to talk about it.Plus why didn't she say out right the misscarrage was tommy's.I think she wants in some way to have people think it was princes.

Oh the second pregnancy was with Tommy??

Okay... that makes me think that she has moved on. Most of her distress is about the loss of her baby, and the loss of living a dream. So I guess that rings true. But the china on display...

People are say that's not true.Trust me it was.Tommy talk about it in interview.Pamela and he had got back together .

OzlemUcucu said:

prodigalfan said:

I would not go on a show and bare my soul. But really what exactly is she saying?

Her OWN feelings about something that happened to HER.

She hasn't mentioned the baby's name, the events that happened in the delivery room. who was present, what city it was in.

All she talks about are things that are of PUBLIC record. His birth and death certificate was issued by a public official. It is a public record.

All she is sharing is her response to a sad event to happen to her.

That is all.

Like I said, I wouldn't do that. But if it helps her... it is HER STORY.

And also I have noticed that she talks about her life before she met him, and her feelings after they were done.

Nothing specific about their life together other than the fact she was in his band, they were married in 1996, had a baby that died, and divorced in 2000. All of these things are PUBLIC record. You can go to the court house in that county and get evidence for yourself.

I continue to wish the best. I hope people watch this show and get face recognition and this will translate to future sucesses.

Mayte has nothing to feel ashamed about. I think there are others who should feel some remorse,

Hmmmm not sure, if I was not a Prince fan but generally reality show fan this is exactly the kinda stuff would hold my attention, the whole drama of a celeb and baby dying etc....so really she's cashin on the drama of that story, which is a shame. She's makin a soap opera of the whole thing.

I see no other reason why people should be interested in Mayte, her marriage was such a long time ago. The other women's stories are far more interesting and they have kids.

Why? Nicole, yes. Andrea, yes. Jessica and Sherree. No.

Mayte had a baby and for nearly a month Prince went on a publicity tour and dodge the question about the health of their baby. Oprah show? please. once again 18 -49 females.

The today show where Mayte actually appeared on the show and once again the question was not completely answered.

And the fact that Mayte does not have kids is the very reason that SHE is interesting.

I don't think this was the best career move... but she went for it. Sorry, I just can't wish bad for her.

Sorry that some other people's dirty laundry is being aired. If it is lies.. then that is wrong. But if it is truth and history... OWN it.

starafree said:

prodigalfan said:

Oh the second pregnancy was with Tommy??

Okay... that makes me think that she has moved on. Most of her distress is about the loss of her baby, and the loss of living a dream. So I guess that rings true. But the china on display...

People are say that's not true.Trust me it was.Tommy talk about it in interview.Pamela and he had got back together .

ohhh.

When does this come out in the show?? See? I'm hooked to this show. I haven't really watched any show routinely except Unsung and Judge Mathis... now this. Ugh!

The 2nd baby was by tommy lee.I just want to know why she dosen't go into detail about that.She just mention she was pregant a second time.Ireally am a fan .But she should be open about both.

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starafree said:

Iagree with this post.If I were Prince I would be angry.To have my died child mention this way.I'm a Mayte fan but she's had 12+yrs to talk about it.People act as if that isn't his child to.I think if Mayte would be talking up a storm if the wasn't a gag order.

i have to totally disagree with this. people have always acted like mayte had no business talking about the child she carried and delivered and then buried after a week. like prince wanting privacy superceded everythingelse. that is every bit her story to tell whenever she feels like it. and seeing how prince put a gag order on everyone during the time of course things build up. why cant she talk about it.my mother had a still birth btween me and my younger brother and she has said you never forget it. iwork with awoman who lost a daughter after 7weeks. the child would be 30yrs this yr- they still take flowers to the grave on her bday.

my point is that it seems unreasonable for people to be harshly critical about something so like that.

wavesofbliss said:

starafree said:

Iagree with this post.If I were Prince I would be angry.To have my died child mention this way.I'm a Mayte fan but she's had 12+yrs to talk about it.People act as if that isn't his child to.I think if Mayte would be talking up a storm if the wasn't a gag order.

i have to totally disagree with this. people have always acted like mayte had no business talking about the child she carried and delivered and then buried after a week. like prince wanting privacy superceded everythingelse. that is every bit her story to tell whenever she feels like it. and seeing how prince put a gag order on everyone during the time of course things build up. why cant she talk about it.my mother had a still birth btween me and my younger brother and she has said you never forget it. iwork with awoman who lost a daughter after 7weeks. the child would be 30yrs this yr- they still take flowers to the grave on her bday.

my point is that it seems unreasonable for people to be harshly critical about something so like that.

First let me say I lost twins 7 days after they were born so i know that pain.My point is now prince will be asked if he does any interviews.Why dosen't she talk about the lost child with tommy.

Sorry for your loss Starafree

If Prince did any interviews, I'd be guessing, but I am pretty sure the topics of Mayte and their baby would be off limits. He may get asked by the paparazzi but he would more than likely just ignore them
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starafree said:

wavesofbliss said:

i have to totally disagree with this. people have always acted like mayte had no business talking about the child she carried and delivered and then buried after a week. like prince wanting privacy superceded everythingelse. that is every bit her story to tell whenever she feels like it. and seeing how prince put a gag order on everyone during the time of course things build up. why cant she talk about it.my mother had a still birth btween me and my younger brother and she has said you never forget it. iwork with awoman who lost a daughter after 7weeks. the child would be 30yrs this yr- they still take flowers to the grave on her bday.

my point is that it seems unreasonable for people to be harshly critical about something so like that.

First let me say I lost twins 7 days after they were born so i know that pain.My point is now prince will be asked if he does any interviews.Why dosen't she talk about the lost child with tommy.

Stara, I'm so sorry that you had to go through that. I couldn't imagine the pain and that lost feeling.

wow. Just talking to you about this is giving me insight into something Mayte said about her baby that passed.

She talked about holding him. I thought just a little bit " wow let it go; get past this already" and that was insensitive of me to even think that way really.

I can remember being 5 months pregnant and having my first ultrasound.

when I saw my baby on the screen I was so excited and filled with love. I was genuinely sad when the appt was over.

I kept looking up at the monitor that was now dark and thought I didn't want to leave my baby "there" and then realize that was taking my baby with me; That was just her image was left in the screen.

Now I just imagined if i had to leave my baby... forever

Like Mayte and like yourself. I'm don't have words to describe how horrible and painful that must have felt. That is why I don't understand why she would allow herself to revisit that tragedy for the show.

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Also just a thought but maybe the pregnancy with Tommy was lost really early... before the fetal movement was felt, and gender was unknown.

You still acknowledge the loss of that potential life... but maybe the connection was not the same as the baby you picked out names for... shopped for, wondered how he looked, what would be his favorite food; what would he be when he grows up.

And the sad thing is Prince had to feel this same lost... because most likely Mayte was sharing all these thoughts and dreams with her baby's daddy... Prince. So he lost that dream as well.

prodigalfan said:

I think you all are right. I am starting to feel like the producers of the show are manipulating to make things more interesting for ratings... and things seem a little staged.

...

Nicole is really making those other women look like basket cases... and really Nicole is the one who gave up a career and had more time and effort invested... and at the same time she has moved on.

Ditto to those parts ^^ of your post.

Nicole & 2 of the other ladies were on Wendy Williams last week, and she (Nicole) said that her brother-in-law (or some relative) had the idea for the show and is producer of it. Perhaps this is why Nicole comes off looking so poised and together. It's produced by a family member and was pitched to her and built around her.

I don't think Andrea is crying 24/7 and Mayte is lamenting her lost baby 24/7. There's some staging and editing involved.

It's still interesting to get some little glimpses into their lives, though. Just gotta remember it's entertainment, not a news documentary.

starafree said:

wavesofbliss said:

i have to totally disagree with this. people have always acted like mayte had no business talking about the child she carried and delivered and then buried after a week. like prince wanting privacy superceded everythingelse. that is every bit her story to tell whenever she feels like it. and seeing how prince put a gag order on everyone during the time of course things build up. why cant she talk about it.my mother had a still birth btween me and my younger brother and she has said you never forget it. iwork with awoman who lost a daughter after 7weeks. the child would be 30yrs this yr- they still take flowers to the grave on her bday.

my point is that it seems unreasonable for people to be harshly critical about something so like that.

First let me say I lost twins 7 days after they were born so i know that pain.My point is now prince will be asked if he does any interviews.Why dosen't she talk about the lost child with tommy.

Where has it been confirmed that she lost a child with Tommy Lee?

prodigalfan said:

I THINk many people have the sentiment that if Mani had not entered the picture, MAYBE Prince and Mayte may have been permitted the chance to put things back on track.

another woman in the picture was just too much for that marriage to bear.

And nothing personal really toward the woman... Manuela. Because if not her, it would have been someone else. So I guess it goes back to Prince really seeking out another woman... ANY woman during this time.

but it WAS Mani who was seen at the celebrations acting like she was the queen of the manor while Mayte was stuck in Spain without Prince. and it was Mani who was thanked by Prince on the same album that he wrote the song for Mayte, and was also used for Mayte's dance troupe to do its ballet shows.... so the conclusion is that Mani and Mayte's time with Prince overlapped.

and also I thought I saw a posting of a video of Prince getting a kiss from Mani backed stage before going out on stage to perform, and the song performed was Jam of the year... so again it would appear she was in the picture during Mayte's marriage.

And several weeks after his divorce was final with Mayte, (2000 according to Mayte herself,) he was married to Mani.

I dunno, I know what I would think if I was Mayte, or her friends and family.

Maybe YOU would think something different if your man was acting this way with a female acquaintance.

Whatever.... Mayte talked about how she was tired of being angry and sad, and so she let those feelings go. and she let both parties know that she doesn't hold ill will toward them. BETTER THAN ME... I can tell you that.

But that is why I feel so bad for what she went through. It was stuff they make up on soap operas.

and yet she still comes across as positive and kind hearted.

I don't think so. That was 96-98. Look at Prince's track record now. Manuella, Bria, Misty, whoever in between, Andy it's only a matter of time. He can't keep nobody for long and it's obvious he's not the family man type.

starafree said:

prodigalfan said:

I would not go on a show and bare my soul. But really what exactly is she saying?

Her OWN feelings about something that happened to HER.

She hasn't mentioned the baby's name, the events that happened in the delivery room. who was present, what city it was in.

All she talks about are things that are of PUBLIC record. His birth and death certificate was issued by a public official. It is a public record.

All she is sharing is her response to a sad event to happen to her.

That is all.

Like I said, I wouldn't do that. But if it helps her... it is HER STORY.

And also I have noticed that she talks about her life before she met him, and her feelings after they were done.

Nothing specific about their life together other than the fact she was in his band, they were married in 1996, had a baby that died, and divorced in 2000. All of these things are PUBLIC record. You can go to the court house in that county and get evidence for yourself.

I continue to wish the best. I hope people watch this show and get face recognition and this will translate to future sucesses.

Mayte has nothing to feel ashamed about. I think there are others who should feel some remorse,

I respectfully agree with your post.But now she has put Prince in a place where the media will now ask him about it.He may not be ready now if ever to talk about it.Plus why didn't she say out right the misscarrage was tommy's.I think she wants in some way to have people think it was princes.

The media ain't gon ask Prince shit because for some reason I don't what kind of magic he's workin but they don't bother him and he if they do he can just keep doin what he's doin and not give them an answer and Mayte doesn't have to specify who the father(s) of the babies are. She didn't say I carried Prince's baby fullterm and then he died. We already know and she didn't have to say I miscarried Prince or Tommy or whoevers baby. It's painful enough. I'm telling you some of you orgers!

Ottensen said:

starafree said:

First let me say I lost twins 7 days after they were born so i know that pain.My point is now prince will be asked if he does any interviews.Why dosen't she talk about the lost child with tommy.

Where has it been confirmed that she lost a child with Tommy Lee?

i thought she and prince had a miscarriage after gregory and that it was too much heartache for p. mayte went to spain w/ her mom to recover.....