80spfantwp said:

Thanks for reasoned response to my post - made me look at it another way. respect to you both

NP, its always a pleasure exchanging thoughts and ideas with you.

I know Denise personally and let me just say that she is on a different plane. I've had many conversations with her and she is who she is. She has her convictions and she is true to what she believes. There were times where I disagreed with her but nevertheless, I think deep down in her heart she is still a good person who holds strong to her values. I am not making excuses for her, but I think she is still trying to get away from the whole Vanity thing and like I told her once: No matter what you do, people will always relate to you because of Vanity and that's something that she has to accept and live with.

BTW... I am a Christian and she defriended me too. So, I think she just cleaned out her account of mostly "Prince fans" and people who she didn't think she couldn't relate to.

I found no offence in that.

I have no problem with religion,but people who are extremely religious...they kinda scare me.They go overboard with it.

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All people that take religion that seriously are out to lunch.

I don't think its fair for her to be judged so harshly. She isn't fanatical, just passionate. Also, she is an evangelist and in active ministry and accountable to many because she has been placed in a position of accountability to many. In her church she is held to a higher standard because she is is a leadership role.

People look up to her, and she has to stay right because she doesn't want to mislead anyone or be seen as a hypocrit. It is added pressure and all her posts in FB were uplifting and inspiring. Not judgemental at all.

She is just like all normal evenagelists I know and she is serious about making sure she shares the good news she enjoys in her salvation.

Its a lifestyle she takes seriously is all... nothing wrong in that IMHO.

She ain't no half-stepper like a certain other someone who claims JW.

paintedlady said:

I don't think its fair for her to be judged so harshly. She isn't fanatical, just passionate. Also, she is an evangelist and in active ministry and accountable to many because she has been placed in a position of accountability to many. In her church she is held to a higher standard because she is is a leadership role.

People look up to her, and she has to stay right because she doesn't want to mislead anyone or be seen as a hypocrit. It is added pressure and all her posts in FB were uplifting and inspiring. Not judgemental at all.

She is just like all normal evenagelists I know and she is serious about making sure she shares the good news she enjoys in her salvation.

Its a lifestyle she takes seriously is all... nothing wrong in that IMHO.

She ain't no half-stepper like a certain other someone who claims JW.

Let The Choir Say AMEN AGAIN

I respect anybody who can find a higher power and live as such . That's always a great thing but my issue with her is that she was once apart of pop culture and her movies and music will forever be out there , so that she have to realize that and accept that :

A few years ago , she went on a crusade to shut certain websites down that contained images of her and always saying how she would never use the name Vanity for profit etc etc etc :

But then she turns around and write a book called Blame It On Vanity and I'm sure she have received money for the sales of the book :

It's fine and cool to have found your spiritual path , much love to that , BUT , to try to silence people is another thing : She sent a friend of mine a very nasty threatening letter from her lawyer . For a Christian , it could've been done another way . It was straight up bullying :

Onelove to Apollonia , who is as real , connected , & down to earth as anyone could be : Beautiful heart , beautiful spirit , and understands the reality of having been apart of musical history :

MusicLover6 said:

I respect anybody who can find a higher power and live as such . That's always a great thing but my issue with her is that she was once apart of pop culture and her movies and music will forever be out there , so that she have to realize that and accept that :

A few years ago , she went on a crusade to shut certain websites down that contained images of her and always saying how she would never use the name Vanity for profit etc etc etc :

But then she turns around and write a book called Blame It On Vanity and I'm sure she have received money for the sales of the book :

It's fine and cool to have found your spiritual path , much love to that , BUT , to try to silence people is another thing : She sent a friend of mine a very nasty threatening letter from her lawyer . For a Christian , it could've been done another way . It was straight up bullying :

Onelove to Apollonia , who is as real , connected , & down to earth as anyone could be : Beautiful heart , beautiful spirit , and understands the reality of having been apart of musical history :

Yeah, I didn't like it when she named her book ,"Blame it on Vanity" when she's trying to distance herself from that. Also, whenever she's on TBN ( or that annoying Robia Lamorte) they always intro their appearance with a bit about how they used to dance or date Prince, blah blah blah. If you want to distance yourself, distance yourself, don't use Prince's name and your ex "dirty self" to promote yourself now.

With that being said, I think Denise Matthews is sincere and it's not fake bs, just a little off the deep end is all.

paintedlady said:

I don't think its fair for her to be judged so harshly. She isn't fanatical, just passionate. Also, she is an evangelist and in active ministry and accountable to many because she has been placed in a position of accountability to many. In her church she is held to a higher standard because she is is a leadership role.

People look up to her, and she has to stay right because she doesn't want to mislead anyone or be seen as a hypocrit. It is added pressure and all her posts in FB were uplifting and inspiring. Not judgemental at all.

She is just like all normal evenagelists I know and she is serious about making sure she shares the good news she enjoys in her salvation.

Its a lifestyle she takes seriously is all... nothing wrong in that IMHO.

She ain't no half-stepper like a certain other someone who claims JW.

That's kind of a blanket statement. You don't know what anyone is like behind closed doors, who is to say she is not half-steppin it. Every religion has half-steppers, Prince is no different than the millions of people out there that don't practice 100% of their faith. They hear what they want to hear and they take from it what they want to take to suit their every day life.

Just like she turned to Christianity after she hit rock bottom, Prince found Jehovah when he hit what he considered to be his rock bottom for.

So if she is happy, more power to her and if prince is happy with JW then more power to him.

But I ain't even gonna to lie, from personal experiance Born Again Christians are no joke

Honestly? I wouldn't read a whole lot into it. A lot of times when people get religious they overdo it for a while - some longer than others.

They usually balance out eventually.

I bet at some point in the future she'll feel like a jackass about it and stop being so anal over minor things.

Don't take it personally, just conclude that she's kinda in the deep end of the religious stuff right now and that eventually she'll calm down.

My sister was the same way when she first decided to try on religion a few years ago. Church tons of days every week, NO secular music...

MusicLover6 said:

But then she turns around and write a book called Blame It On Vanity and I'm sure she have received money for the sales of the book

Enough to buy a happy meal at least, I'm sure.

many people who get extreme in their beliefs (evangelical) seem crazy. That's becuse they stop paying attention to context and just use the scriptures to rant on anything and judge eveyone like they are in charge. I've seen it...paging through the Bible grabing quotes out of one page and jamming them up next to another. Old Testament, New Testament. Who cares as long as it supports whatever over the top stuff you are selling. Can you tell this kind of thing pisses me off??? lol. CONTEXT is important...unless you are more inportant the word.

Sounds like she has demons. Not trying to generalize but I notice most people who read scriptures instead of just as Zannaloaf says stopped paying attention to the context usually are ones who don't know how to let God have his way and they go off in tangents that sometimes don't make sense. I pray for her because she's been through a lot.

Zannaloaf said:

many people who get extreme in their beliefs (evangelical) seem crazy. That's becuse they stop paying attention to context and just use the scriptures to rant on anything and judge eveyone like they are in charge. I've seen it...paging through the Bible grabing quotes out of one page and jamming them up next to another. Old Testament, New Testament. Who cares as long as it supports whatever over the top stuff you are selling. Can you tell this kind of thing pisses me off??? lol. CONTEXT is important...unless you are more inportant the word.

this is why these people scare me.It's as if they close their minds completely.

thebanishedone said:

I was a facebook friend with Denise Matthews but she erased me from friends because someone tagged a photo of a girl standing in a shorts,and Denise told me "Sorry M,i'm a Christian i told you that ,i don't wanna see girl butt,wish you well.and then she blocked me.I'm not her real life friend but she had also erased Jill Jones and Appolonia and those girls are her real life friends for about 30 years.how fucked up is that? I have seen her recent interviews and to me she don't sound and of act like a normal person. [Edited 4/29/12 14:44pm] [Edited 4/29/12 20:23pm]

surely these are your hurt feelings talking. course she isnt acting like a "normal person" - most normal peoplenact like or actually are godless heathens. she has made it clear she is not one anymore. like paintedladysaid, itsnot about hypocracy or denial of your past. its about "i will not live this way anymore. which means i cannot be around play around peoplewho do.

think of it like anaddict who has completed treatment.they cannot and will not be around their old life or thier old friends: its not denial of their past, its a necessary rejection of all thethings that remind them of the past.

thebanishedone said:

nursev said:

I see ur point, but that happens all the time on FB. People posting and it goes to everybody. I've done it before when people posted things I didn't want on my page. I'm sure you have too. Who knows what kinda relationship Denise has with Apples and Jill? I mean-it's not even worth you getting upset over. I know ur post Banish and you post better than this.

well thank you but sometimes i gotta say what bothers me. I hate double standards,where's the tolerance?

What double standard? Sounds to me like there are certain things she won't tolerate on her page - period. I think her "unfriendings" sound pretty consistent.

Genesia said:

Another double standard....

trashing someone on one website while wanting them to friend you on another website.

actually that would be more along the lines of hypocrisy.... but you get what I am sayin'.

Maybe Ms. Matthews isn't so "outta her mind" after all for de-friending you.

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paintedlady said:

paintedlady said:

thebanishedone said:

paintedlady said:

Another double standard....

trashing someone on one website while wanting them to friend you on another website.

actually that would be more along the lines of hypocrisy.... but you get what I am sayin'.

Maybe Ms. Matthews isn't so "outta her mind" after all for de-friending you.

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you are wrong.i wanted to be her friend.when i first added her she told me that i'm beautiful and asked was i french or italian.we discussed about her movies.She couldn't believe i seen Neon City.but after a while she started sending me creepy messages like if you have sex and you're not married you'll get Aids. She said Bible is basic instruction before you leave the earth .then she erased me for the first time because i posted a Prince song with explicit lyrics,then i apologized and she said we'll keep in touch via inbox because she can't add me instantly because 700ppl wait to be her friends.and she accepted my request and after a few days she erased me again.i could have kiss her ass and explain her that she was wrong.i said to her that she didn't change,she just changed one extreme for another. [Edited 5/2/12 16:11pm]

thebanishedone said:

Genesia said:

What double standard? Sounds to me like there are certain things she won't tolerate on her page - period. I think her "unfriendings" sound pretty consistent.

double standard is when you sing "Tonite i need seven inches and more" and you fuck everything male and female in show buisness then you convert to christianity and you erase your fb friends because somebody tagged a girl in hot pants on your wall.

No, that isn't a double standard - when the two things happen 30 years apart.

Vanity sang those lyrics. She isn't Vanity, anymore. What part of that don't you get?

Genesia said:

thebanishedone said:

Genesia said: double standard is when you sing "Tonite i need seven inches and more" and you fuck everything male and female in show buisness then you convert to christianity and you erase your fb friends because somebody tagged a girl in hot pants on your wall.

No, that isn't a double standard - when the two things happen 30 years apart.

Vanity sang those lyrics. She isn't Vanity, anymore. What part of that don't you get?

Listen i don't wanna argue.we all are or had been young and did foolish thing so was Denise.

i don't think Denise is crazy like having mental disorder,

but i think some of her acts are crazy

i don't wanna say stupid.

It's not important that she erased me,i mean

who am i in hr world ,nobody.

But i find crazy that she erased Jill and Apollonia

for the similar reasons .

And i find all the people who had their time together wheater it's workin or love association and after some period they disrespect eachother being crazy .

I hate when your basic interpretation of religion make

you stray away from your friends.

And that's my right to do it.And i can express my feelings here because

i'm here for a long time ,it's like second home to me in a way,so you can interpretate anything i say the way you like,just don't narrow mind all the things i said with :What part of that don't you get?

p.s. People change with time but that don't mean the change is always in a good direction.

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thebanishedone said:

But i find crazy that she erased Jill and Apollonia

for the similar reasons .

And i find all the people who had their time together wheater it's workin or love association and after some period they disrespect eachother being crazy .

I hate when your basic interpretation of religion make

you stray away from your friends.

[Edited 5/2/12 18:50pm]

Facebook is only ONE way to communicate with other folks and it doesn't mean she has cut them off entirely. She may only want to exchange with them in a more personal way, on the phone perhaps and that's IF they are even friends.

We should be careful not to speculate or assume much about people's lives that we do not live.

paintedlady said:

thebanishedone said:

But i find crazy that she erased Jill and Apollonia

for the similar reasons .

And i find all the people who had their time together wheater it's workin or love association and after some period they disrespect eachother being crazy .

I hate when your basic interpretation of religion make

you stray away from your friends.

[Edited 5/2/12 18:50pm]

Facebook is only ONE way to communicate with other folks and it doesn't mean she has cut them off entirely. She may only want to exchange with them in a more personal way, on the phone perhaps and that's IF they are even friends.

We should be careful not to speculate or assume much about people's lives that we do not live.

i don't speculate,i have a first hand info from one of the girls

thebanishedone said:

paintedlady said:

Facebook is only ONE way to communicate with other folks and it doesn't mean she has cut them off entirely. She may only want to exchange with them in a more personal way, on the phone perhaps and that's IF they are even friends.

We should be careful not to speculate or assume much about people's lives that we do not live.

i don't speculate,i have a first hand info from one of the girls

Like I said, I was defriended myself, and I AM a Christian. Denise is an Evangelist, and is very cautious of what she allows to be placed on her page.

Its not about judgement but more about keeping herself strong and without temptation.

I didn't take it personally, nor would I speak on what someone did to someone else. I know there is always a reason to why people do things even if I may not agree.

Denise is a woman now in her mid-50's and in a different place and people look up to her in her church and in her ministry, so she is held to a higher standard and careful not to send a wrong message that may encourage young believers to do something they should not.

She will er on the safe side and if you still communicate with her then it shows she harbors no ill will to you.

I think its best you just let that one go and not personalize it anymore.