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New topic PrintableReverend said: Web Guy: "I really need to put up some content on the site for the fans, you know, like maybe one of those songs from your vault? I remember you saying you've got hundreds of unreleased songs - a couple of those would be ideal!
Prince: "Here's a photo of me looking stylish, yet mysterious - put it on my cosmic spinning globe" Sounds about right. | |
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LondonStyle said: Go on, try to make one post without that emoticon. You can do it... | |
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BartVanHemelen said: http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/04/02/my-year-with-prince/
Last year, a Los Angeleno named Scott Addison Clay was invited into Prince’s inner sanctum –literally. Clay recalls the pop singer leading him through “the catacombs of his insanely gargantuan basement.” The tour led into a cavernous room, where a man sat at a drum set. A woman picked up a bass, Prince strapped on a guitar and a private concert ensued. Clay said, “It was the most bizarre thing. I remember thinking, do we clap?”
These and other scenes that resemble a Dave Chappelle sketch come to life, including 2 a.m. pancakes and deafening listening sessions in a room lined with thick white fur (“It was like polar bears had laid down for him”), were all part of a run-up to the launch of Prince’s latest, greatest Web portal. Clay and his team were from the marketing firm Cimarron Group, which develops interactive games and such for Hollywood films like “Twilight.” Prince had recruited them to build a platform for his upcoming three-album release. The result, LotusFlow3r.com, resembled a galactic aquarium, featuring doodads like a rotating orb that played videos. The promise: fans who ponied up $77 for a year-long membership would receive the three new albums, plus an ensuing flow of exclusive content, like unreleased tracks and archival videos. A year later, LotusFlow3r has gone dark, thousands of Prince’s fans are very annoyed and Clay has been dismissed from Prince’s kingdom almost as abruptly as he was invited in. A representative for Prince did not respond to request for comment. The episode should serve as a warning to the growing number of artists experimenting with newfangled fan clubs and members-only content sites: feed the beast — feed it often and well — or suffer blowback from your most vocal fans. Things in LotusFlow3r land boiled over last week when some members noticed that their credit cards had been charged an additional $77 — an automatic renewal of their memberships. Making matters worse, many of these members had previously contacted the site’s administrators to say they hadn’t gotten their money’s worth, and they wanted out when their year was up. Prince fan sites lit up. “So far I have paid another $77 for a floating jellyfish which vanishes when you click on it. Well done Prince. Nothing like treating your fans like royalty,” wrote OperatingThetan. Desire2006 added, “It looks like the [Better Business Bureau] will have 2 re-open its ‘Prince’ case file again!!!!!” To his credit, the singer was a Web pioneer, having released an album online back in 1997 following his ugly contract dispute with Warner Bros. But his track record with online fan clubs has been spotty. In 2006, he abruptly shuttered his New Power Generation Music Club with the message, “In its current 4m there is a feeling that the NPGMC gone as far as it can go.” Last week, some fans seemed to blame themselves for getting roped in. “I signed up again, knowing full well what happened to his past Web sites,” wrote IstenSzek. Prince fan Steven Anthony, who was erroneously charged and then refunded, called attention to the fracas — and got a lot of hate from diehard Prince fans — with a scathing open letter to the singer on his blog. Anthony says he was “lucky” to get what he did out of his membership, including a T-shirt and access to tickets for a concert at Paisley Park in Minnesota. But Anthony still feels burned by the LotusFlow3r experience. He says, “I don’t really like Prince that much as a person right now, but I still support his work.” After the hyped launch of LotusFlow3r.com, Prince became an absentee landlord, Clay said. “We only got stuff in dribs and drabs.” Clay declined to say how many paying members the site did attract, but he speculated that the number was a disappointment to Prince. As for the unauthorized credit card charges, Clay said that he didn’t realize that their billing service had activated the automatic renewals. When he and his team saw the charges adding up -– and heard from irate members — they halted the process. He said “a few hundred” members had to be refunded. Once wooed by the Purple One, Clay found himself frozen out not long after the LotusFlow3r launch. He says at one point he was peppering Prince with so many e-mails about the site and its future that the singer called Clay and told him to cut it out. About a month ago, Prince relayed the order for the site to be shut down. Now Clay is in the process of handing over LotusFlow3r.com files to a new Prince representative who Clay describes as “me 2.0.” He and his team were paid for their work, he said, but they never had a written contract. Looking back on an experience for which Prince fans “praised and reviled me, in equal measure,” Clay said, “it was a wild year.” [EDIT - added the article text - Mars23] I find it very ironic that this article appears on the same day as we get news of a potential "surprise" in the June issue of Ebony (indicating Prince)...I think Prince fired Clay's ass which he rightfully should have...it's clear he didn't know wtf he was doing. All of you folks bashing Prince, Lotusflow3r and Bria you need to get a f..... life and stop the hating. I am beginng to hate prince.org as a matter of fact I am contemplating starting a fansite for Prince/Bria lovers only!!!! Lemme | |
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Mars23 said: LondonStyle said: The Part in which Clay got Paid in Full $$$$$ for a website that worked with major bug's ... The website was $77.00 why? ....To pay for the "EXPENSIVE" website design cost ??? ...Maybe...did the site bring in the advertised business ....No? How easy was the site to be hacked and music files download ?? Poor Project Management and Bad Web Design is what LotusFlow3.com is / was .... Clay is not an expert in this field ...sorry ... Never said he was, but it sounds like you wish to place all the blame squarely on his doorstep and that view is incredibly naive. Expert or not, the site did not deliver content. That's on the artist, not the designer. The site continued to charge people because it was a bust and abandoned by the artist. NOBODY was paying attention to it and we saw the results. A thriving, vibrant community would never have had that happen. Again, everyone involved shares some blame. Mars I have to admit that I agree with you. The site never lived up to the promises made by BOTH designer and artist. However now thinking about it some of the stuff we are seeing ... Box O Chocolates and the stuff farmed out to websites maybe.....? | |
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LOTUSFLOWER.COM was a huge disappointment!!! The fans got screwed with their $77.00!! I wish I could get my $$$ back. The biggest attraction to the site were the 3 albums that the fans could download.....and those records were purchasable at TARGET for $11.98 and now you can get them for $5.00 there. The records were fantastic.....but the website was a major BOMB and offered a ton of empty promises.
I love PRINCE and I will always support him.....but man.....he really took the fan base for a ride here. NOT COOL!!! | |
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4bjb said: I find it very ironic that this article appears on the same day as we get news of a potential "surprise" in the June issue of Ebony (indicating Prince)...I think Prince fired Clay's ass which he rightfully should have...it's clear he didn't know wtf he was doing. All of you folks bashing Prince, Lotusflow3r and Bria you need to get a f..... life and stop the hating. I am beginng to hate prince.org as a matter of fact I am contemplating starting a fansite for Prince/Bria lovers only!!!!
Ok, bye!! The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp. | |
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BartVanHemelen said: Desire2006 added, “It looks like the [Better Business Bureau] will have 2 re-open its ‘Prince’ case file again!!!!!”
They forgot the MY COUSIN WORKS IN A PHARMACY AND SHE SAID THEY ENEMA'D PRANCE INTO OBLIVION WITH FENTONILS!! | |
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LondonStyle said: Clay is not an expert in this field ...sorry ... Hey genius, if Clay is not an expert in this field, then why did Prince hire him to do his site? Kinda stupid from Prince in the 1st place, don't you think? Duh. By the way, do you think that when you laugh all the time, you sound more convincing or something? | |
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4bjb said: I am beginng to hate prince.org as a matter of fact I am contemplating starting a fansite for Prince/Bria lovers only!!!!
Please take the rest of the prince.org hating fams with you on your way out. Thanks. | |
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A representative for Prince did not respond to request for comment.
Because you know, not commenting makes you look so much better. | |
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As for the unauthorized credit card charges, Clay said that he didn’t realize that their billing service had activated the automatic renewals.
Well, that makes it clear that the blame for THAT mess falls squarly on his shoulders. Gee he "didn't realize". But he should have. | |
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4bjb said: BartVanHemelen said: http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/04/02/my-year-with-prince/
[EDIT - added the article text - Mars23] I find it very ironic that this article appears on the same day as we get news of a potential "surprise" in the June issue of Ebony (indicating Prince)...I think Prince fired Clay's ass which he rightfully should have...it's clear he didn't know wtf he was doing. All of you folks bashing Prince, Lotusflow3r and Bria you need to get a f..... life and stop the hating. I am beginng to hate prince.org as a matter of fact I am contemplating starting a fansite for Prince/Bria lovers only!!!! I agree and I will happily come to ur site! Love God and I shall 4ever Love u | |
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Militant said: Now Clay is in the process of handing over LotusFlow3r.com files to a new Prince representative who Clay describes as “me 2.0.”
New site! Yay! Really? Really! Dude... U'll be bamboozled, hoodwinked, took... | |
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alexnvrmind said: Militant said: New site! Yay! Really? Really! Dude... U'll be bamboozled, hoodwinked, took... Wrong. I don't feel in any way let down by Lotusflow3r, personally. I look forward to the new site and I'd happily pay for another subscription site. |
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sounds like some people think you can pull content out of your ass to toss onto a site you've developed for someone. doesn't take a genius to know if P doesn't supply it, you can't add it.
and if this guy is referring to Crystal Ball and 1800NewFunk.com as the '97 successful web venture, he is sorely misinformed about that nearly year long fiasco where CB hit store shelves for half the cost of pre-orders and before most were even shipped out causing a rush for people to cancel credit cards because they couldn't cancel orders (or did cancel but still received it). edit- I guess he doesn't actually say it was successful, just that P was a pioneer for doing it. [Edited 4/2/10 18:19pm] | |
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4bjb said: BartVanHemelen said: http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/04/02/my-year-with-prince/
[EDIT - added the article text - Mars23] I find it very ironic that this article appears on the same day as we get news of a potential "surprise" in the June issue of Ebony (indicating Prince)...I think Prince fired Clay's ass which he rightfully should have...it's clear he didn't know wtf he was doing. All of you folks bashing Prince, Lotusflow3r and Bria you need to get a f..... life and stop the hating. I am beginng to hate prince.org as a matter of fact I am contemplating starting a fansite for Prince/Bria lovers only!!!! How ironic.....speaking of someone who needs to get a life! | |
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Militant said: alexnvrmind said: Really? Really! Dude... U'll be bamboozled, hoodwinked, took... Wrong. I don't feel in any way let down by Lotusflow3r, personally. I look forward to the new site and I'd happily pay for another subscription site. Yeah? In that case, I have some beautiful swamp land I'd like to sell you. | |
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Prince sucks. Anyone who payed money for anything that guy does these days is well deserving of being punk'd by the purple twirp! | |
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mschirmer said: Prince sucks. Anyone who payed money for anything that guy does these days is well deserving of being punk'd by the purple twirp!
Prince fan? | |
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Reverend said: ...and deafening listening sessions in a room lined with thick white fur (“It was like polar bears had laid down for him”), were all part of a run-up to the launch of Prince’s latest, greatest Web portal.
RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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"Clay declined to say how many paying members the site did attract, but he speculated that the number was a disappointment to Prince."
Not as many people signed up, because they got tired of being screwed by Prince. I wish I had never signed up. What a waste of money! [Edited 4/2/10 18:37pm] RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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psychodelicide said: "Clay declined to say how many paying members the site did attract, but he speculated that the number was a disappointment to Prince."
Not as many people signed up, because they got tired of being screwed by Prince. I wish I had never signed up. What a waste of money! [Edited 4/2/10 18:37pm] The website stunk... Prince's vault material stunk... the price to sign up stunk... everything about the website venture was ridiculous. Prince has no clue what makes a great website and he hires people who aren't skilled at making sites. One thing is for certain -- never take the job as "Prince's Online Presence Manager." You'll be fired in no time. | |
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LondonStyle said: PurplePartyman said: Well there's technicalities. It looks like itunes has the warner stuff through "Come", and then they have a couple singles from 3121, F.U.N.K., and Planet earth.. so it's kinda spotty. I'm guessing what chookalana meant was.. Why doesn't Prince just use itunes to release new tracks as they come instead of an exclusive $77 a year site? I see they do these special "season ticket" packages now for different artists.. like Depeche Mode and Pet shop Boys come to mind, where you pay a fee at the release date.. you get an advance of the album, first video, b-sides, and then you get the rest of the stuff from that project as released. Difference is that in this case it helps to be a corporation like itunes because they have public accountability. geez i never thought I'd be saying that either... and they don't run to the WSJ claiming they did everything right and it was Prince's fault.. What do you want them to do? Prince's lack of involvement for a year made them look terrible, when most of the problems were because of Prince. That much is obvious to anyone who has been around since the Love4OneAnother site. Prince has no idea what he's doing. | |
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journey said: Militant said: Wrong. I don't feel in any way let down by Lotusflow3r, personally. I look forward to the new site and I'd happily pay for another subscription site. Yeah? In that case, I have some beautiful swamp land I'd like to sell you. Sure! I'll give you a buck. |
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NeoGeo24bit said: psychodelicide said: "Clay declined to say how many paying members the site did attract, but he speculated that the number was a disappointment to Prince."
Not as many people signed up, because they got tired of being screwed by Prince. I wish I had never signed up. What a waste of money! [Edited 4/2/10 18:37pm] The website stunk... Prince's vault material stunk... the price to sign up stunk... everything about the website venture was ridiculous. Prince has no clue what makes a great website and he hires people who aren't skilled at making sites. One thing is for certain -- never take the job as "Prince's Online Presence Manager." You'll be fired in no time. That's for sure! RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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PEJ said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: And the moral of the story is...
You live and you learn. Well...some people do. he got paid Apparently, not as much as somebody thought he would. I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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The interesting thing about people wanting to blame the people that Prince works with when something goes sour is that they miss the constant in all of it.
Prince. What happens when you remove the constant.... hmmmm.... [Edited 4/2/10 19:01pm] | |
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Prince had recruited them to build a platform for his upcoming three-album release... The promise: fans who ponied up $77 for a year-long membership would receive the three new albums, plus an ensuing flow of exclusive content, like unreleased tracks and archival videos. After the hyped launch of LotusFlow3r.com, Prince became an absentee landlord, Clay said. "We only got stuff in dribs and drabs." Clay declined to say how many paying members the site did attract, but he speculated that the number was a disappointment to Prince. Once wooed by the Purple One, Clay found himself frozen out not long after the LotusFlow3r launch. He says at one point he was peppering Prince with so many e-mails about the site and its future that the singer called Clay and told him to cut it out. About a month ago, Prince relayed the order for the site to be shut down. A year later, LotusFlow3r has gone dark, thousands of Prince’s fans are very annoyed and Clay has been dismissed from Prince’s kingdom almost as abruptly as he was invited in. OK then. Nice article. Interesting insights. Everybody now should know what's up. Everybody, right? Errrmmm... wait.. not everybody. It's not about Prince, eh? Yep ... Clays a Blagger..... I think poor Prince has taken a hit from this, like any business would do when you trust the person bidding for the job knows what the hell he's doing... Clay was after the $$$$$ F**K the Prince fans .... at the end of the day all they are going to do is blame Prince..... Yeah, who else the fucking hell are we're going to blame after this article???? What the freakin heck ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!?! | |
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NeoGeo24bit said: The website stunk... Prince's vault material stunk... the price to sign up stunk... everything about the website venture was ridiculous. Prince has no clue what makes a great website and he hires people who aren't skilled at making sites. One thing is for certain -- never take the job as "Prince's Online Presence Manager." You'll be fired in no time.
He hired people that know PLENTY about 'making sites': http://www.cimarrongroup.com/ other clients only include CBS, FOX, NBC, DISNEY, DREAMWORKS, MIRAMAX, ESPN, COCA-COLA, NEW LINE CINEMA, FX, HBO, MGM, PARAMOUNT, SONY, UNIVERSAL, etc, etc, etc.. | |
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tuztones said: LOTUSFLOWER.COM was a huge disappointment!!! The fans got screwed with their $77.00!! I wish I could get my $$$ back. The biggest attraction to the site were the 3 albums that the fans could download.....and those records were purchasable at TARGET for $11.98 and now you can get them for $5.00 there. The records were fantastic.....but the website was a major BOMB and offered a ton of empty promises.
I love PRINCE and I will always support him.....but man.....he really took the fan base for a ride here. NOT COOL!!! And dont forget the pain n the ass it was at 1st to open the damn MP3 files and put them on a CD. The hours wasted tring to figure out how to get Winzip or the like to open them until they fixed the files, Thats what really pissed me off and then of course you could go buy them a few days later. Sooooo irratating. "3 1 2 1" | |
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