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Printable Mars23 said: agathos said: whats the problem with lotusflow3r?
I subscribed, got 3 wonderful albums, 1 t-shirt, a lot of other material, old videos, some live shots, etc. It was a cool experience. If Prince does such a site with same amount of stuff again: I will subscribe... I really dont understand all the bashing... the second charge cant be the problem... some technician made a mistake, so what? Here's one of the problems: Ultimately, the site, which is set to debut before the Target street date, will have to thrive apart from those first three albums. Clay says future plans for Lotus flow3r.com include a hybrid documentary-music video. But the deal-sealer, he concedes, is the potential for streaming live, VIP-only concerts from Prince's Los Angeles mansion. "There could be a live chat going on with members watching a concert, and Prince could actually play requests," Clay says. He also claims a colleague has organized 10 albums of old Prince music never released in any form. Should there exist an all-tuba record Prince recorded half out of his mind back in 1988, now he's got a place to let it toot—if only he can commit to digitizing all his diamonds and pearls.
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LondonStyle said: Mars23 said: Independent. Unless you consider "Martha's Music" or "Rocket Science Music" a major label. And it does not answer the question. You clearly stated a web designer should not produce a site without all the content up front. The content of that site is clearly still under production, yet the site works. Are they backed by a machine is the question....? TSP i think "MAYBE" backed by a machine so they are not a real indie band, big corps like music "fans" to think bands are indie when they are not.... 
Look with respect TSP are no way near Prince's league ..sorry You're going in circles. 1. No major label for The Pumpkins. “For many years I’ve been really unhappy with the stupidity of the music business,” admits Smashing Pumpkin leader Billy Corgan. “But now I am free from corporate meddling. No contracts, no deadlines to meet.” But he’s far from idle. Corgan is quote busy writing, rehearsing a new band, recording, exploring side projects and starting up his own subscription service.
2. Whatever league you deem them to be in, their website is online, working, and totally disproves your hypothesis. The content is not in the hands of the developers, yet they have a functioning, successful website. The point isn't about TSP or any other artist, the point is you're making excuses that make no sense and are easily disproved. Studies have shown the ass crack of the average Prince fan to be abnormally large. This explains the ease and frequency of their panties bunching up in it. |
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Efan said: rwn said: Exactly. Money is the only reason why you wouldn´t trash your employer in public  Actually, there are a lot of reasons not to trash your employer in public. I don't blame him for that. I do (or did) find the entire design and execution of the site to be ridiculously bad, and that I do largely blame Clay for. But if he was working to get more content added and trying to work things out in a private way, I support him on that. Why was Prince contracting a game developer for a website? Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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xlr8r said:[quote] Mars23 said: :
Clay says .
So, you think he came up with that on his own? Who put him out there as the representative, speaking to Newsweek, on behalf of his website. Which artist did that? Hint: Prince. Studies have shown the ass crack of the average Prince fan to be abnormally large. This explains the ease and frequency of their panties bunching up in it. |
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Mars23 said: agathos said: whats the problem with lotusflow3r?
I subscribed, got 3 wonderful albums, 1 t-shirt, a lot of other material, old videos, some live shots, etc. It was a cool experience. If Prince does such a site with same amount of stuff again: I will subscribe... I really dont understand all the bashing... the second charge cant be the problem... some technician made a mistake, so what? Here's one of the problems: Ultimately, the site, which is set to debut before the Target street date, will have to thrive apart from those first three albums. Clay says future plans for Lotus flow3r.com include a hybrid documentary-music video. But the deal-sealer, he concedes, is the potential for streaming live, VIP-only concerts from Prince's Los Angeles mansion. "There could be a live chat going on with members watching a concert, and Prince could actually play requests," Clay says. He also claims a colleague has organized 10 albums of old Prince music never released in any form. Should there exist an all-tuba record Prince recorded half out of his mind back in 1988, now he's got a place to let it toot—if only he can commit to digitizing all his diamonds and pearls.
Which part of which galaxy did you find those in? The Part in which Clay got Paid in Full $$$$$ for a website that worked with major bug's ... The website was $77.00 why? ....To pay for the "EXPENSIVE" website design cost ??? ...Maybe...did the site bring in the advertised business ....No? How easy was the site to be hacked and music files download ?? Poor Project Management and Bad Web Design is what LotusFlow3.com is / was .... Clay is not an expert in this field ...sorry ... Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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LondonStyle said: Mars23 said: Which part of which galaxy did you find those in? The Part in which Clay got Paid in Full $$$$$ for a website that worked with major bug's ... The website was $77.00 why? ....To pay for the "EXPENSIVE" website design cost ??? ...Maybe...did the site bring in the advertised business ....No? How easy was the site to be hacked and music files download ?? Poor Project Management and Bad Web Design is what LotusFlow3.com is / was .... Clay is not an expert in this field ...sorry ... Never said he was, but it sounds like you wish to place all the blame squarely on his doorstep and that view is incredibly naive. Expert or not, the site did not deliver content. That's on the artist, not the designer. The site continued to charge people because it was a bust and abandoned by the artist. NOBODY was paying attention to it and we saw the results. A thriving, vibrant community would never have had that happen. Again, everyone involved shares some blame. Studies have shown the ass crack of the average Prince fan to be abnormally large. This explains the ease and frequency of their panties bunching up in it. |
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Mars23 said:[quote] LondonStyle said: You're going in circles. 1. No major label for The Pumpkins. “For many years I’ve been really unhappy with the stupidity of the music business,” admits Smashing Pumpkin leader Billy Corgan. “But now I am free from corporate meddling. No contracts, no deadlines to meet.” But he’s far from idle. Corgan is quote busy writing, rehearsing a new band, recording, exploring side projects and starting up his own subscription service.
2. Whatever league you deem them to be in, their website is online, working, and totally disproves your hypothesis. The content is not in the hands of the developers, yet they have a functioning, successful website. The point isn't about TSP or any other artist, the point is you're making excuses that make no sense and are easily disproved. A Functioning website is down to the designer - Clay ....Full Stop ...Billing issues on credit card is down to Clay..full I bet they paid less for the website to be designed as well.... look Clay is not up to the job....simple.... Great TSP is indie ...but that does not change anything ! Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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talk of relaunching another website you say?
i got the name for it.... call it "Sycophant Central" i mean really, if anybody here rejoins another dismal failure of a website that prince puts up go look in the nearest mirror and say this to yourself: I AM A HOPELESS FAMBOT     
face it, it's time to cash your chips in. FRESH!...for 2010 you SUCKAS!   | |
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xlr8r said:[quote] Mars23 said: :
Clay says .
Clay says....
We've all met a Scott Clay type in Business .... Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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Web Guy: "I really need to put up some content on the site for the fans, you know, like maybe one of those songs from your vault? I remember you saying you've got hundreds of unreleased songs - a couple of those would be ideal!
Prince: "Here's a photo of me looking stylish, yet mysterious - put it on my cosmic spinning globe" "Everybody want what they don't got..." | |
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LondonStyle said: Mars23 said: 2. Whatever league you deem them to be in, their website is online, working, and totally disproves your hypothesis. The content is not in the hands of the developers, yet they have a functioning, successful website. The point isn't about TSP or any other artist, the point is you're making excuses that make no sense and are easily disproved. A Functioning website is down to the designer - Clay ....Full Stop ...Billing issues on credit card is down to Clay..full I bet they paid less for the website to be designed as well.... look Clay is not up to the job....simple.... Great TSP is indie ...but that does not change anything ! On that point, you are correct. Nothing has changed the fact that your statement... as a web designer you should know that you need to have alll your content at the start of the project not in the middle and not after the website has been launched.
...has been proven to be wholly incorrect. How would that statement explain Yahoo! or even the Org? It's just plain wrong. Studies have shown the ass crack of the average Prince fan to be abnormally large. This explains the ease and frequency of their panties bunching up in it. |
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LondonStyle said: Mars23 said: 2. Whatever league you deem them to be in, their website is online, working, and totally disproves your hypothesis. The content is not in the hands of the developers, yet they have a functioning, successful website. The point isn't about TSP or any other artist, the point is you're making excuses that make no sense and are easily disproved. A Functioning website is down to the designer - Clay ....Full Stop ...Billing issues on credit card is down to Clay..full I bet they paid less for the website to be designed as well.... look Clay is not up to the job....simple.... Great TSP is indie ...but that does not change anything ! The blame is 90% on Prince. He never delivered any worthwhile content for the entire year, and he approved the design of the site in the first place. Do you think the designers came up with the $77 for a year model? Did they have control over what content Prince gave them? Those were the two biggest problems with the site, which was predictable, due to how Prince has handled his other sites. He rarely, rarely, rarely gives out any unreleased or new music. | |
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superspaceboy said: Efan said: Actually, there are a lot of reasons not to trash your employer in public. I don't blame him for that. I do (or did) find the entire design and execution of the site to be ridiculously bad, and that I do largely blame Clay for. But if he was working to get more content added and trying to work things out in a private way, I support him on that. Why was Prince contracting a game developer for a website? Prince would not know a game developer from a java programmer he's got know clue the guy's a musician he just knows they do stuff that looks good online he's got know idea about back-end or front-end Web systems or IT project management.... Hence Clay got the job... Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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LondonStyle said: Prince would not know a game developer from a java programmer he's got know clue the guy's a musician he just knows they do stuff that looks good online he's got know idea about back-end or front-end Web systems or IT project management.... Hence Clay got the job... Are you 12? As the employer it is Prince's job to ensure the contractor is up to the job and delivers his vision. Now either they did deliver what PRINCE WANTED, or they didn't so why did Prince retain them for a year? In either case Prince shoulders a lot of responsibility here. | |
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Mars23 said:[quote] LondonStyle said: On that point, you are correct. Nothing has changed the fact that your statement... as a web designer you should know that you need to have alll your content at the start of the project not in the middle and not after the website has been launched.
...has been proven to be wholly incorrect. Sorry ..... you need content to test a website...you also need to test the email and billing systems as well....
Why dance around the problem ...Clay is not up for the job...face it... Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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Reverend said: Web Guy: "I really need to put up some content on the site for the fans, you know, like maybe one of those songs from your vault? I remember you saying you've got hundreds of unreleased songs - a couple of those would be ideal!
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Reverend said: Web Guy: "I really need to put up some content on the site for the fans, you know, like maybe one of those songs from your vault? I remember you saying you've got hundreds of unreleased songs - a couple of those would be ideal!
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swanny said: LondonStyle said: Prince would not know a game developer from a java programmer he's got know clue the guy's a musician he just knows they do stuff that looks good online he's got know idea about back-end or front-end Web systems or IT project management.... Hence Clay got the job... Are you 12? As the employer it is Prince's job to ensure the contractor is up to the job and delivers his vision. Now either they did deliver what PRINCE WANTED, or they didn't so why did Prince retain them for a year? In either case Prince shoulders a lot of responsibility here. True ....Prince should have had a contract with the website designer but he didn't .....I think Clay ...knew about this. ...hence the mess....
But hey he got paid $$$$$ I bet you want to know how much as well ..... 
Have you seen his (clay) company website
He's not cheap to hire as a "contractor"...put it that way... Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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Reverend said: Web Guy: "Your gonna pay me hell of alot of money $$$$$ to design a website and you don't want a contract or any written specification ..ok  "
Prince: "Yeah, you know how to design a Website, right ? "Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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LondonStyle said: chookalana said: God forbid Prince use iTunes or Amazon like the rest of the music world.
Prince is an idiot. He does use iTunes and Amazon....
what's wrong with Prince fans / fams don't they know how to use the internet Well there's technicalities. It looks like itunes has the warner stuff through "Come", and then they have a couple singles from 3121, F.U.N.K., and Planet earth.. so it's kinda spotty. I'm guessing what chookalana meant was.. Why doesn't Prince just use itunes to release new tracks as they come instead of an exclusive $77 a year site? I see they do these special "season ticket" packages now for different artists.. like Depeche Mode and Pet shop Boys come to mind, where you pay a fee at the release date.. you get an advance of the album, first video, b-sides, and then you get the rest of the stuff from that project as released. Difference is that in this case it helps to be a corporation like itunes because they have public accountability. geez i never thought I'd be saying that either... | |
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Do I care...not much...the website wasn't great, could have been better, I got 3 albums and a t-shirt. maybe over priced, but I enjoyed some of the videos. The NPGMC was great, but hey why all the overreaction.....Tell the cats to chill...is what I say....I flew all the way back from a football match in Dublin to make it to le Grand Palais with 50 minutes to spare in October...great concert...This is what I like 2 talk about....memories...after-shows....concerts....not negativity....
Life can be great, crap and unpredictable...but it's not all Prince's fault...He's not perfect, he's not God, Jehova or Allah....He a great musician and long may he continue....58 albums ++++....yet we're not happy.... there's worse sh1t going on out there in this crazy world... Negativity like gravity Gotcha fallin' fast from reality U gotta get up, put up, move up And just do what U should, U should | |
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PurplePartyman said: LondonStyle said: He does use iTunes and Amazon....
what's wrong with Prince fans / fams don't they know how to use the internet Well there's technicalities. It looks like itunes has the warner stuff through "Come", and then they have a couple singles from 3121, F.U.N.K., and Planet earth.. so it's kinda spotty. I'm guessing what chookalana meant was.. Why doesn't Prince just use itunes to release new tracks as they come instead of an exclusive $77 a year site? I see they do these special "season ticket" packages now for different artists.. like Depeche Mode and Pet shop Boys come to mind, where you pay a fee at the release date.. you get an advance of the album, first video, b-sides, and then you get the rest of the stuff from that project as released. Difference is that in this case it helps to be a corporation like itunes because they have public accountability. geez i never thought I'd be saying that either...
and they don't run to the WSJ claiming they did everything right and it was Prince's fault.. Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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LondonStyle said: Reverend said: Web Guy: "Your gonna pay me hell of alot of money $$$$$ to design a website and you don't want a contract or any written specification ..ok "
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Once wooed by the Purple One, Clay found himself frozen out not long after the LotusFlow3r launch. He says at one point he was peppering Prince with so many e-mails about the site and its future that the singer called Clay and told him to cut it out. About a month ago, Prince relayed the order for the site to be shut down. Now Clay is in the process of handing over LotusFlow3r.com files to a new Prince representative who Clay describes as “me 2.0.”
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I'm trying hard to see both sides in this. But since we will likely never hear Prince actually speak about what happened, at least this guy came forward about it.
Didn't Prince learn from the Kevin Smith experience..signed confidentiality agreements are going to trump "he said he wouldn't tell!" in a court anyday if it ever got to something like that. So according to Clay, it sounds like he was asking for material and updates, so he could help realize this vision prince initially had. like "Hey Prince.. were you going to send any of those special fan-only tracks anytime soon? We developed this nice layout grid for your video-wall.. we just need something to put on it!" At this point I can't say "It was the web designer's fault! He shoulda put up a lot more sparkly distractions! he was contracted to do what he does to help Prince's music and vids look really appealing and fun on a glossy website. When that person says "Stop calling me!" what do you do? But what REALLY pisses me off is that Prince has told him allegedly to shut the site down a couple months before the billing of the new year. Not "put up a message that says "Eye'm sorry but due to my disappointment in the lack of interest 4 my site eye am closing it down. Eye felt that eye deserve more fams and this is not worth my ef4t. Remaining membRships will not b renewed. Thank U 4 Ur support" That's all it would take. Otherwise.. it just looks shady and dishonest. I'm glad this was published in WSJ though of all places. It shows that there may actually be some interest in his shady business practices and attempts to stop them by public shame and exposure. | |
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agathos said: whats the problem with lotusflow3r?
I subscribed, got 3 wonderful albums, 1 t-shirt, a lot of other material, old videos, some live shots, etc. It was a cool experience. If Prince does such a site with same amount of stuff again: I will subscribe... I really dont understand all the bashing... the second charge cant be the problem... some technician made a mistake, so what? As someone who didn't subscribe.. what 'other material' was there? I'm not asking to patronize.. I'm truly curious. I've seen very little mention of what type of video or audio footage was offered. | |
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...and deafening listening sessions in a room lined with thick white fur (“It was like polar bears had laid down for him”), were all part of a run-up to the launch of Prince’s latest, greatest Web portal.
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xlr8r said: LondonStyle said: I wouldn't be bragging about this ....he does adverts ...HQ but Ads ...very little music or e-commerce sites here... hence the problem with the billing issue... Look Prince does not know e-commerce from Web Design ...why would he ..he's a musician..
Clay is not Amazon or iTunes he knows nothing about music e-commerce websites Plus Bart was raggin on him being a Hollywood wannabe last year and now that he is poo-poo-ing Prince, he is all of a sudden such a great legitimate designer etc. to the haters on the innernet. I see you John To Sir, with Love | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: And the moral of the story is...
Prince had recruited them to build a platform for his upcoming three-album release. The result, LotusFlow3r.com, resembled a galactic aquarium, featuring doodads like a rotating orb that played videos. The promise: fans who ponied up $77 for a year-long membership would receive the three new albums, plus an ensuing flow of exclusive content, like unreleased tracks and archival videos.
After the hyped launch of LotusFlow3r.com, Prince became an absentee landlord, Clay said. “We only got stuff in dribs and drabs.” Clay declined to say how many paying members the site did attract, but he speculated that the number was a disappointment to Prince. A year later, LotusFlow3r has gone dark, thousands of Prince’s fans are very annoyed and Clay has been dismissed from Prince’s kingdom almost as abruptly as he was invited in. You live and you learn. Well...some people do.  he got paid To Sir, with Love | |
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