Bohemian67 said:

Do you even read the nonsense you write?

Bohemian67 said:

Yes it was. Look, PRINCE SAYS SO.

Bohemian67 said:

Based on what? How the fuck would you know? You lot continue to project your own insecurities on others.

Bohemian67 said:

Hilarious. Try reading some of the pre-release articles. Dude, YOU ARE LYING. Your excuses for Prince are now so pathetic you have to resort to DENYING REALITY.

Bohemian67 said:

Again: LYING.

Bohemian67 said:

I have to ask again: can you read? If so, re-read all my posts in this thread.

Bohemian67 said:

Not a single word you say in this quote is substantiated by facts. NOT A SINGLE WORD. It's all shit you made up.

Bohemian67 said:

Please point out where I oppose this.

STOP MAKING SHIT UP.

By the way, can anybody dig up that article where either Clay or Malzone were talking about how they were gonna upload a dozen or so "unreleased" albums?

IIRC they claimed at the time they were preparing them for upload, yet based on this article it seems Clay never received anything beyond what is available at the site.

So now I'm curious as to what the original wording was wrt those albums.

Oh, and who was Malzone boasting about his work o... month ago, when it is now apparent that the site was over and done with then?

How much have Clay and Malzone lied about this whole thing?

BartVanHemelen said:

I read the article when it came out, but I can't find it for posting.

Anyway, the article and promotion of LotusFlow3r are riddled with legal-ese keywords such as "possible", "potential", "could", "may", "might".

Just once it would be nice to hear positive words such as "WILL" and "GUARANTEED". I don't think we'll ever see those associated with a Prince website.

I can't imagine other high-caliber musicians even CONSIDERING this bait-and-switch technique. Then again, most of their websites are free.

the Prince I dig...naturally mysterious...no pretending.
i hope he sorts out his site, apparently he's upset many;
the solution is to simply let the music flow like sweet
honey...

Proof that the real problem was the bums that Prince hired to run the site.

Brofie said:

I honestly cannot believe that is what you got from this article. Prince gave them no content....or did you miss that part?

Vendetta1 said:

I thought all the videos and the 3 albums were the content. Was it Prince's decision to charge people the renewal?
[Edited 4/5/10 16:15pm]

Brofie said:

I can't rationalize with Prince's apologists so:

Reverend said:

O

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One thing is clear in all this mess. Fams are sick sick people. It's too bad all of you aren't related to me becuase I have no power to commit your sick asses

NeoGeo24bit said:

Fired

then

blamed




Not worth the ego trip

BartVanHemelen said:



Well, I think there has been a lot of impressive stuff since 1998. I'll list a few that I, as a Prince fan, enjoyed.

-The Celebrations: I was impressed with the fact that Prince put this on. I mean Prince opened the place up, let fans be fans, and played for us 7 nights in a row sometimes. Sure, it was a bit spendy, but what other star/artist of Prince's magnitude has done this type of thing? U2? Madonna? Michael Jackson? Springsteen? I don't think any of these acts have give their fans this kind of up close treatment that Prince did. I thought it was fun.

-One Nite Alone Tour/era. Again, Prince playing smaller shows and more intimate fan oriented playlists. It was great, and a good contrast to the Hit N' Run tour that had happened before it. I thought this was a fun era.

-2004: Prince's leap back into the mainstream. Hell of a lot of fun. He was everywhere this year...if it wasn't like 1984 again, it was certainly like 1991. The Rock N' Roll hall of fame performance was one of his most praiseworthy ever...it cemented his place as a Guitar god to many who didn't know. Also, the Musicology Tour was great. Yeah, it was hits heavy. So what? It was fresh and it was fun. A shit ton of people loved it....critics included.

-Beyond Musicology: I liked a lot of Prince's 90's output. I liked going to those Paisley Park shows in the mid to late 90's. That said, 2004 onwards has been more fun for me as a Prince fan. I've enjoyed the albums of the last decade. I liked that Prince got back to writing pop songs. His grabs at mainstream pop trends were not/are not nearly as cringe worthy or obvious as some of what he did in the 90's. "Jughead" anyone?!?

The 02 shows, like the Musicology Tour, were sublime. They were. Did you go to any of them? They were a hell of a lot of fun. There a lot of other praiseworthy moments from 1998 onwards (performing with Wendy and Lisa again) but these are just a few off of the top of my head.



BartVanHemelen said:



That's fine. It's the internet so whatever you post is cool. All I am wondering is this.. Are having any fun with that .01% of your life. Correct me if I am wrong, your posts on the org are mostly negative slants on Prince, no?


BartVanHemelen said:


I wasn't being literal. However, you do seem to have some of the STRONGEST, and most frequent, negative opinions about Prince around here. Do you disagree with that? As in, have you ever posted something on the positive side since 1998?

BartVanHemelen said:



Of course you are allowed. Again, I kind of like it. It being boring of we were all the same. Again, do you post positive things? I mean, do you enjoy being a Prince fan?


BartVanHemelen said:



It is a bummer that you are not a Prince fan. Because you post at the org a lot. When you say "joy" because of "some great old tune surfaces" do you mean bootlegs?



And that's what it is right?

Well, who doesn't have a shit ton of screw ups in their life? I am glad I don't have someone pointing it out to me all the time, because I got Prince beat by a long shot.

Fucked up websites, and pissy fans isn't really screwing up in the Rock N' Roll world anyways. Hell, it's not even screwing up in the real world.
I mean, Prince could be fucking kids, addicted to smack, and or killing his ex-wives. That's screwing up. It's not like he's got a mugshot out there.

Fact is, Prince could be getting in the papers for a lot worse things than having a bad business model and pissing of a lot of purple fan boys.

Again, I am bummed that your aren't a Prince fan anymore, but am glad you find some joy in posting here at the org.
[Edited 4/5/10 17:01pm]

skywalker said:

totally agree prince has given sooo much music, concerts, aftershows to put up with a few screw ups is cool with me.

But i do hope he learns from the exp this time...we could just do with a non flashy website even if its just to release future albums one where you dont have to pay just to join

cream72 said:

correction

cream72 said:

Exactly!

I still find it laughable that anyone blames the web developer for lack of content.

Their job was to design and implement a website, format and upload new content (when made available by the client) and to maintain it for a certain period of time. I highly doubt his contract included the duty of "Fan Club Moderator". The fact that he answered emails that were NOT pertaining to Sales or Technical matters tells me that he's probably a decent guy.

After the initial rush of downloads and video streaming, the website actually ran pretty smoothly and consistently.

I'm not thrilled that he aired dirty laundry on the Wall Street Journal, but it was bound to get out eventually. I'm sure a lot of that was to head off any complaints about the double-billings or BBB reports.

Se7en said:

It's like blaming the clerk at the register because 7-11 won't stock Slurpees anymore!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

had to be the 317th post. 3/17 is my birthday


Carry on

BartVanHemelen said:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/189242

Se7en said:

100% agree !
Prince gets the blame for the lack of material.

Now the X or unknown is glaring here as something unusual even for Prince standards of crazy.

How much was Prince going to offer?
What were the timeframes?
Was the material going to be protected from being stolen?

It's easy to say that Prince fucked it up or Clay dropped the ball but there is much more that we don't know that is going on here.

powersoul99 said:

interesting point. good point.

NelsonR said:

love that hair on his chest. OooOOooo....good gawd. yep. baby cakes gotta keep that shirt closed. tease. lol.


but ..seriously folks.... I hope that he gets someone to run the site taht will actually manage the crew helping to run the site. someone who will check up on details and check up on fansites and actually DO their job... GO the extra mile without having to be told, begged, asked, or checked up on. a self starter that is actually interested in seeing a job well done and details actually looked after.

someone who will check up from the other direction to see how who ever is handling the customer care emails....( If it were me, i'd send email under the guise of a fan now and then my own self just to see what kind of response i get and how fans are being treated) I'd check up both ways... I hope the new team
leader will be on their J.O.B. and do it right. the site and the music and Prince and Prince fans deserve it.


i.e. i think the solution here ... is in the proper and competent, relilable management team.

just my 2 cents

Prince really does seem like a charmless human being. At least the literary Prince figure revealed in his songs is still cool.

Vendetta1 said:

skywalker said:

I agree with your list skywalker

skywalker said:

A tad patronising don't you think skywalker..!?

pepper7 said:

A tad stupid too! Since Prince isn't an axe murder, we're just supposed to overlook the fact that he's a website killing repeat offender? Please!

Mars23 said:

So the question is: were they bullshitting back then, or did they really get 10 albums worth of content?

Hey skywalker , how about NOT putting your entire post in bold?

skywalker said:

Barely organized and only available to a select few fans.

skywalker said:

Overrated era. Yeah, he went out of his comfortzone; too bad he used that opportunity to play bland jazzfunkrocksoul nonsense. Oh, and the same frikking covers every night.

skywalker said:

1991 was pretty shit. D&P was NOT a good period for Prince.

skywalker said:

I still fail to see why so many of you praise that idiotic solo.

skywalker said:

If that's what counts as "fresh" in your world...

skywalker said:

Why should I be impressed by Prince doing the same thing he's been doing for years? At least the 1995 PP shows were amazing.

skywalker said:

No they weren't.

skywalker said:

Seriously, if that's your best effort of things I should be impressed by... You've got FIFTEEN YEARS to pick from, 1996-now. And this is it?

skywalker said:

Yeah, Prince is just like us. EXCEPT HE ISN'T.

These aren't screw-ups. This is a hugely talented guy wasting his time and energy on crap music and one failed project after another, projects that failed because of HIM and because he IS NOT LISTENING to advise.

I seriously don't get this "it's not great but it will do" attitude some of you have towards Prince. Don't you expect BETTER?

Clay was bullshitting and that may be the reason why the site died.
This is all supposition but his words in the press confrences like 10 albums,live concerts, etc put him at odds with Prince because Prince may have been in it just for the Lotus content.

For what it was worth NPGMC was light years beyond Lotus in every way except graphics.You got 4(?) albums woth of content,the radio show,tickets, message board. You got video with Lotus and that was about it.

Unless I am wrong I don't recall Prince saying anything about Lotus like he did with the NPGMC. Who did you hear promoting the project ? Clay. Who did you hear when the shit hit the fan? Clay.The hurt dog yells the loudest.

This falls in line with Prince's greatest misses when it comes to dealing with fans directly but it's something a little bit more here besides the normal Prince fuck up.
[Edited 4/6/10 4:14am]