Why anyone joined in the first place is what mystified me.

I had $77 lying around but I waited to see if anything good ever came out of the club - if it had then I would have joined.

Why didn't everyone do that ?

but since that $ 25,- lifelong membership

If people get sucked into the hype that is their own problem. Don't come here complaining because you can't control your own spending. The T&C's never promised to deliver anything to you.

with a direct debit your bank account (which is not linked to or has anything to do with a credit card) has a note as authorisation so when a transaction from the authorised company requests payment from your account, it gives the money over. for the company to obtain payment they have to send a request for payment with both the bank account number and sort code along with the amount of payment. when the bank receive the request they pass over the payment as long as the account has a note of the direct debit. the transaction takes 3 days and is similar to a BAC's payment, but in reverse so it's a debit

with a credit or debit card, the card details and amount are presented with a request for the funds. the account has no details of the companies making debits, and credit the money to the company as long as sufficient funds or credit is available

it sounds to me that they automated the process of debiting the credit cards, but how they did this with card numbers no longer held on the members accounts means that there was a major flaw in the system, as obviously this should not have happened. it sounds like they kept a database of card numbers that was not updated correctly, which is essentially negligence

*Just sat here waiting for someone to re-write more 'apt' lyrics for 'All The Critics...' right about now...*

Xibalba said:

All the Critics love you in New YOrg

FunkyStrange said:

i just like complaining, it's the one thing that has brought me pleasure
out of the whole lotusflower experience. well that and the actual lotus
flower title disc.

it's not about money though. it's about the baffling way in which these
websites are run and the communication or lack of communication that's
kind of irking me at the moment.

the fact that i signed up and thought the website not worth $77,- is all
on me, i don't think i can complain about that, no.

but i can, and will, complain about their bs means of running their ship
and that is ultimately the reason i won't sign up for something new in
the future.

unless fcuz it's got lots of outtakes

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

heh.

U can moan if U want 2 -- All the critics love U in New Yorg
U don't have 2 keep the receipt, they'll still think it's neat -- in New Yorg
U can do what U want 2, it doesn't matter -- in New Yorg

Why U can pay what U want 2 -- All the critics love U in New Yorg
They won't say that u're naive if U pay what U believe -- in New Yorg
Credit Cards-amour is all u care 4 -- but don't show it

It's time 4 a new direction
It's time 4 the site 2 die
4th day of November
We need a purple high

Don't give up -- we'll still love U

fams don't wanna quit, gotta get another hit
fams don't wanna quit, gotta get another hit
fams don't wanna quit, gotta get another hit
fams don't wanna quit, gotta get another hit
(fuck me over)

(Yes, we're certain of it, he's definitely masturbating)

All the critics love U in New Yorg
Take a hike, suckaz!

All the critics love U in New Yorg
All the critics love U in New Yorg
All the critics love U in New Yorg
All the critics love U in New Yorg
New Yorg...
New Yorg....
New Yorg.....
New Yorg.....

etc etc

Rorywan said:

& at not time have I been pissed off with Prince about any of his sites or his music. Now if he was to come out and say f*ck Muslims then I would do a double take.

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"give me that 77 bucks , my taxes are past due "!!!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I try to help, I can't exactly cause miracles !

Seriously though, there's been many times that my efforts have panned out but it's like a roller-coaster ride.

Right now, I am making fans feeling known very loud and clear to the people that matter.

At least I'm trying.

Someone got this email in the inbox a bit ago:

2nd Year LotusFlow3r membership
Dear,

It has come to our attention that some of our members have erroneously been charged for a second year of membership to Lotusflow3r.com. We understand that this must be very worrying, and are working right now to make sure that everyone has their money refunded as soon as possible.

Sincere apologies for this inconvenience, and thank you for your support over the last year.

Sincerely,
LotusFlow3r.com

unique said:

Understanding what someone is about ("about" as in "up to") and knowing what they are up to are the same thing, [Snip - luv4u].

unique said:

It was probably set up for reoccurring by the merchant (ie, lotsuflower) by mistake. I've had to set up auto credit charges for my political campaign work and a lot of times it's a one click option to make the charge reoccurring. That's probably what happened here.

sosgemini said:

that seems to be right, and a fairly common thing, but how they did it using old data instead of current data is beyond me. normally you would have to have something to trigger the process (even automatically) the data you hold on file, so how did it process data that had been removed/deleted? if people changed card numbers to fake details it should have rejected the payment, or if they were smart the system should have verified the details at point of entry and denied attempts to input rubbish like ones and zeros, in the same way that other merchants verify details at point of sale. it shouldn't have accepted junk for details and ignored that for the old data without informing the customer at any time

the fact that lotusflower and the guy who set the site up don't know how this happened and they denied it should have happened just screams of negligence, and the email sent out saying year 2 shouldn't have been charged sounds like the website is in limbo (like we couldn't figure that out before)

I'm really not a rose-tinted spectacles kind of guy but the fact that it has auto-renewed might mean there is something else on the way? (at the moment though I just cannot see that happening)

it's got nothing to do with believing, that's the way it is. if you want to take the word of a call centre bank operative over mine, then that's your problem. just remember who's staff fucked the world into this recession, and prince doesn't get the blame for that

Genesia said:

those are the same things, but they aren't what prince is saying or meaning in the lyrics

you were having a dig at someone for not understanding the lyrics when you misunderstood them yourself. google up and read the lyrics and it's clear that he means "i got your number" as in i'm keeping my eye on you (ie. as i'm i'm watching you because i don't like/trust you). that's a different meaning and tone in english to "i know what you are up to" or "i know what you are doing", it's more of a threatening tone than a knowing one

Why anyone joined in the first place is what mystified me.I had $77 lying around but I waited to see if anything good ever came out of the club - if it had then I would have joined.Why didn't everyone do that?

ernestsewell said:

I just found one of those in my inbox.