Noodled24 said:[quote]

katt said:

I agree with you Noodled24 about the fans posting pictures to show friends, for I do not believe for one minute or have ever thought this was done in malice.

There is only one thing I do not understand and please do not think for one minute that I am starting trouble by writing this, maybe if someone explained it to me I would be less confused about the situation.

When I purchased my tickets from ticketmaster I also purchased for the car park so I had to do a search on the route to the O2 When checking the websites I did notice the terms of entry on the O2 website.

This is the terms of entry at the O2 Venue Link: http://www.theo2.co.uk/we...rmsofentry

On that page underneath the word soliciting it states:

Soliciting
No busking, selling, leafleting, surveying, photography or filming, political activity, or any other form of commercial or lobbying activity is permitted in any part of The O2 without a permit from the Operations Director. Where permitted a charge may be made for the permit.

The tickets said No photography or filming
An email sent said No photography or filming
AEG O2 Venue website says No photography or filming
At O2 Venue it says No photography or filming

As you can see by the list above and link maybe now you will understand why I do not understand why the moral judgment argument keeps being mentioned, it all puzzles me as it is obvious those that took the pictures did not have a permit, What also concerns me is could the websites that allowed linking and the people who posted the pictures get into trouble with the AEG as well I hope not.

cateto said:

Cateto, I absolutely believe you that you made up your mind carefully before making the decision, but all I tried to say was: having the right to do something is one thing, the question if it is wise to do it is a completely different story.

If I ran a website dedicated to a person X which

a) has had legal trouble in the past with X's lawyers and

b) maybe has hosted or at least linked to some material which X holds the copyright to before

then I would be very careful to not respect a request from X as long as it is halfway reasonable. Maybe this has been taken into consideration behind the scenes at HQ - I don't know. At the end of the day, you guys might want to ask yourselves if a few cell phone photos from the O2 or the attempt to prove a point are worth the trouble you're in now. All I want to say is that I can understand Prince to a certain degree and think it's not fair to only blame him on the current situation (though his decisions surely are quite bad, PR-wise).

On the topic of photos from the O2:

I've posted this before: "Whoever puts on a show, is the boss." (Klaus Kinski) Now, if Prince thinks it distracts him from the show to know that there are people taking photos with their cell phones, then he's got every right to announce that he doesn't tolerate it IMO. The terms and conditions were clear before, if you don't like them, you don't have to go to the show. If he decides that he can only play guitar if all people in the audience are dressed in white and makes that a prerequisite, fine, I probably won't go to his shows then anymore. I travelled something like 1000 km to see the show, and I surely didn't pay to see other peoples' cell phone screens around me, but that's just me. The main point is: if you know that this is the artist's wish and you take photos regardless, you disrespect him IMO. The same accounts if you distribute or publicly show the photos afterwards. I've been on stages often enough myself, so I'll be on the artist's side in most of such cases. There could be a lot more to write about this, but I'll leave it at that, for now.

Cateto, I just tried to get some reasonable discussion back into this thread - sorry if that appeared as if I wanted to diss any of you guys, because that never was my intention. I can understand though that you don't feel inspired to post here anymore given the fact that this has become something like the "tell it all" place for frustrated (former) HQ members. We all make wrong decisions here and there, I think yours was wrong, but that's just me and anyone is welcome to disagree with me. Regardless, as said before, I still wish you guys all the best!!!

All - Please do not ASSUME that the legal troubles with HQ are as a result of the concert photos.

Nor ASSUME that they're the only website under threat.

just as Gav said, the whole controversy is not only about the concert pics (which btw...are no longer on the website). The headaches started way before that.

Bottom line is that housequake.com is not the official Prince site, therefore he does not get to dictate how it is ran. You cannot please 100% of the people 100% of the time. If we spent every day bending to Prince's wishes on the site, we would be constantly making changes, additions, deletions, and it would then no longer be an independent fansite. Do you see my point?

Think about it, if we were to bend to every one of Prince's wishes/requests, you would just have another 3121.com. There is already one of those, why do we need two?

Gav said:

Understood, but isn't it quite remarkable that the whole affair started to get out of hand (at least publicly) after the concert pics incidents? Did someone lose patience then, maybe?

txladykat said:

Undestood as well, but maybe this one wish we're talking about was very important from Prince's point of view (I can't recall any other request to non-official fansites posted on 3121.com before), and maybe putting this one wish into the "we can't please him all the time" category wasn't such a good idea? Just guessing...

EmancipationLover said:

I know it probably seems logical to you, but there is more to the story that really doesn't need to be played out on the boards. Bottom line, the request did not originate as a simple request on 3121.com. It started out with repeated posts on housequake boards and spamming of housequake members, which is a violation. Why couldn't they have contacted housequake before spamming the boards and the members inboxes? Respect is a two way street.....I really can't say anything else on this topic as there isn't much more to say. I was just trying to answer your questions. Hope I was successful

Gav said:

Gav I know not all meets the eye and I have been around long enough to know what can happen, I do not want the dark days to return

Today is a new day for once in this community I wish we could put the Us and Them thing to bed for ever and all try to work and play side by side for the best of the community. I truly wish all will be resolved soon and that everyone can be at peace with each other. We all can make this happen if we try.

Much Peace and love 2 U all

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purplecam said:

u can thank the lovely mod named parade 4 that even after it was explained 2 him that we were joking around with each other. Hell we do that when we hang 2gether don't we? but supposidly we were "trolling" whatever the fuck that means. and now that they r back up and they know the situation, have they rescended that warning 2 any of us? nope. they keep reinventing thier rules so what's the point anymore?

even tho prince is asking 4 compensation is 2 funny 2 me tho

txladykat said:

Thanks for the info, and I understand that not everything is meant to be public. The Prince camp surely isn't full of saints, and this kind of behaviour should be discouraged. However, on the other hand it indicates that this issue really must be very important to Prince - when was the last time he made such a fuss about online stuff?

Having that in mind, I still think it wasn't a smart move from HQ, whatever the legal situation might be. At the end of the day, it's Prince being in the powerful position with all his lawyers and the opportunity to just find a few copyright violations here and there (one can probably find that on any non-official fansite, it's just impossible for mods to be everywhere). I don't doubt your knowledge of law or anything (I'm very sure all of your advice was correct), I just think whatever the legal situation might be, sometimes it's better to follow someone's request if that person is just in a much, much more powerful position. At the end of the day, it comes down to this question again: Is looking at a few cell phone pics plus proving a (legal) point worth all this trouble?

EmancipationLover said:

February of this year, at which time housequake obliged his request . that is what i mean, it never ends. he requests, you comply, then he requests again, until eventually the site is controlled by him, hence making it an official site rather than an independent one. eventually someone has to say enough is enough and take a stand for what is our constitutional right. mark my words, this is not just about cell phone concert pics. in time, you will see.

it's been a while since i've posted on a topic like this. i've sat and watched all that's been said so far, both on the org and on the 'quake...but this right here is what got me to post:

katt said:

i could not agree with you more, katt (hi, btw...you prolly don't recognize me under this account, but trust me: you know who this is ). at this point in time, the last thing anybody on any prince fansite should be doing is in-fighting, rumor-spreading and playing run-tell-dat. none of that is in anyone's best interest at the moment, and i'll tell ya'll why.

we are all in the same boat. every motherfucking last one of us.

the naysayers, the apologists, the people who think that prince can do absolutely no wrong in their collective eyes, the finger pointers, the people who do nothing more than sit and laugh at shit...yes, ya'll are on the same boat with those who give support to whatever fansite's in trouble. stuff like this affects everyone on every prince-related fansite, no matter how much you post or where you post and participate normally. mr. nelson more or less wants all fan-operated fansites off of the internet at this point in time. we all look the same to him pretty much, and all of this is some absolutely cold-blooded shit...with prince being the most cold-blooded of all this, since he wanna cry foul over a whole lotta nothing and then have the audacity to ask for compensation from people.

like i said before: the very last thing we need right now is all this in-fighting amongst people. that don't help a gotdamned thing. i wanna see all--or most of us, anyway--put our heads together, stand up, and speak out. i've seen it happen before. it won't hurt to try and do it once again.







i don't miss these edit messages at all edit
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with luck, all of us fansites are gonna make prince eat them stone tablets, pro. karma is a bitch.

BSK3478 said:

BSK3478 said:

I know who you are

For what it is worth I believe now that everyone has said there peace we can get it together. As I said before I wish we could put the Us and Them thing to bed for ever and all try to work and play side by side for the best of the community.

P.S I need the edit I am so typo queen and can not do with out the edit

cateto said:

Oh puleeze. How much shit did HQs talk about members of the NPGMC? Some of us were memebers there who didn't much appreciate HQers referring to us as sheep or asskissers or whatever the phrase of the day was. Aside from Gsh, I saw no one defending us.

BSK3478 said:

You are right and I really don't understand for the life of me why this thread was allowed to stay.

Lothan said:

i've no idea why, either. it's just detrimental to all that's going on right now.

I think/thought all NPGMC posters were sheep as well. That NPGMC website was the worst ever.

NPGMC.com wasn't a website

lspear76 said:

lspear76 said:

Well, I was a member of that site and even though there were people who were extremely positive all least they had a place to go and call home away from people that like to call other people "sheep". I loved that place and made some of the closest friends I'll ever have there. I got to talk to Prince because of there. I got to be first row twice because of there. I got to be at a soundcheck because of there. I have Chocolate Invasion because of there.

I've always felt the Org was home of the most negative Prince fans and I continue to be right.

Lothan said:

i too was a member of npgmc and enjoyed some of the things it had to offer...but to say that the members there were all positive is a false statement. you obviously never went into Member Connection PP's were always have to lock threads, delete threads, put out fires...it got pretty hot up in there once in awhile...not to mention if you weren't part of the "click" you were ignored or ridiculed.

Lothan said:

I agree with you

You find negativity everywhere be it online or of offline. I personally prefer to look at the positives in life and as you have said there have been many positives happy moments that has happened. As in everyday life we may all not get on all off the time but we do get on most off them time. There are many lovely people all over this community I see it as a blessing that I have the opportunity to interact with them, this might come across sappy to some but it is true, if we all truly think about it we would never have crossed each others paths if it wasn’t for the internet and this community.

Roll on the good times I’m sure we will have many more to come

txladykat said:

I did not say members there were all positive (typo: word all is really are). And yes, I was a frequent visitor to the Member Connection. Cliques? Yeah, but there are cliques on every site. I just did my own thing and if people considered me to be part of a group, then so be it. I am a proud member of the NPG Underground as well.

irishwolfhound said:

O+>

WOLFY IS UR HOOKUP

So I have been told my name is being bantered/spoken about due to this thread.
For those that are doing such things for your information my words on this thread where to explain why some feel upset, what some where saying about the situation and that the past goings on does have something to do with this separation we seem to have, That if community worked together we would never had this “US and Them” in the first place. That if we stopped all the “Us and “Them” battles and come together then there would be no “Us and Them”.
This rubbish about this website is better than that website attitude is so playschool were all part of this community we all hang on each website with each other.
It sadly seems some want to carry on doing this “Us and Them” carry on you will just make a further divide.

For those that are speaking about me behind my back have the decency to come speak to me direct, I do not do this speaking behind peoples back I have always spoken direct, I speak my mind, and very straight forward, I have a open mind and have always managed to see all sides. I use only one name in this community and that is Katt just so you all know you will always be able to find me.

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i agree that it should not be, nor never been, us against them. but, i don't understand why you think it was posted "behind your back" if you are a member there too.

txladykat said:

I have had people come to me that in private convo’s people have been talking behind my back. Where did I say anything about on a websites? I visit the websites yesterday when I was first told and noticed nothing said about me on the website, i will now take a look.


[edit due 2 typos ]

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katt said:

Took me a while to find and now I see what is being said about others and myself rather tame compared to what is supposed to be spoken about in private - I must say all very amusing and childs play, well I shall not post anything on the website as it will just fuel the fires more. I am one that will not create a further divide.