dothejump said:

I'm outta here too - this has gotten way too personal IMO.

Different website that are run differently - that's all.

Oh, and for those who are complaining about the watermarks on HQ scans: princefams now put their logo on every pic, scanned by themself or not.

Gav said:

In the past when troubles have happened the only time I have only said oh not again in time all will be resolved and we all will return to having fun.
My original comments on this thread where in hope the problems HQ has would be resolved and the only time I commented was when it became one sided as if HQ has done no wrong.

The person who was ill at the time and the person friends brought the illness up due to the verbal abuse that happened at the time, it was horrible to watch and yes people complained, then it was not so long after an agreement happened that photographs that where posted would have the source and copyright owner written underneath.

It seems on this thread here if anyone says anything about HQ they have just to shut-up yet if people want to say anything bad about the NPG then that’s allowed, it’s very unfair and one sided. People are allowed to have an opinion and state why if people do not agree then just say I disagree and move on but no that’s is not happing here on this thread sadly it seems as if some want a US and THEM situation to happen.

Now I am not against HQ at all I rather enjoy the website, As I stated before mistakes have been made and lessons learnt and moving on has happened in the past, now I am in hope this will happen again so that we all can just enjoy having conversations and a few laughs with each other with not looking like we have to take sides.

I think the run on Housequake can end now. We've firmly established that they were the serpent in the garden of eden, the first tank into Poland in 1939, the loading bay over Nagasaki and the hand that stole the candy from the baby.

Naughty naughty Housequake and naughty Prince.

Next time it's bare-bottomed spanking for both parties.

Now...LET'S GET ON WITH THE MF SHOW, SHALL WE?

I have to agree with the last couple of posters. This whole thread is falling on it's ass....only HQ mods and NPG know the intricacies of their present dispute.

There are so many 'knowledgeable' ppl quick to get their own personal digs in on here right now that this thread has lost all perspective.

All I know is...I'm a member of both sites. I personaly prefer HQ....does that mean I insist on taking part in a discussion I willfully admit I know little about? No. I've read both threads dealing with HQ and have to say I am left feeling real disappointed.

We are ALL fans of Prince. That's the common denominator. Nothing more. For those intent on slagging others using ANY means possible: We all meet difficulties in life...whether with legal issues, or ones of health. This site is surely NOT the place to throw accusations around publically. Get a grip...the majority of us have stayed quiet this whole week for one reason.....It's not OUR call! Get over yourselves and concentrate on why you are here!!

dothejump said:

It is your opinion the person was the one that started the troubles but others did not and do not agree with you. Just because I voiced my opinion at the time and said it was wrong for someone to be treated in that way I also stated putting the HQ logo on photographs could breach copyright laws and said be careful yet I was told by a HQ mod that if I did not agree with HQ policy I should not come to the website. As I stated to Gav it wasn’t long after that an agreement happened between websites that posting pictures with source and who held copyright would be something the community would do.

Some People are only bringing up the past as some do not believe that all blame lands at the NPG door step and some may see by explaining the problems from past that this maybe help others understand why HQ was/is having difficulties, others possibly seeking further understanding, who knows. In my case I believe it truly was one sided against the NPG team and WS. There is no need to get offended by it if you disagree just say it and give reasons why but allow others to do the same with no attacks and with out giving a comment about poverty, mentioning the blame for poverty is acting immature poverty is not a laughing matter neither should it be used in Jest.

If you know websites that have the same problems as HQ why not ask the other websites how they have came to an agreement and maybe take a leaf out there book and try and resolve HQ problems, most of us want HQ to return and be at Peace with the NPG team I am one of them, contacting the other websites maybe one way forward.

80spfantwp said:

Right On! but if issues are aired publicly, there is going to be dialog about it, especially on a forum.

and yes, we need to get back to Funk and have fun again.

throw on the funky music and let's start this party.

80spfantwp said:

Thank you!

I stated my objections at the beginning of this thread because I found the title inflammatory and divisive. As predicted, the topic of so-called "discussion" has turned into a slam-fest with ill informed and disgruntled individuals hurling all manner of personal insults. The fact that it has been allowed to degenerate to this point is appalling. I'm all for reasoned discussion and spirited debate but I maintain that the tone with which this thread was started left very little chance of that happening.

Love4oneanother??? yeah, right.

I'd feel a loss if HQ didn't exist. There has to be a "softening up" somewhere...
Despite my convictions.....just saying.
[Edited 10/9/07 8:08am]

xplnyrslf said:

Sorry, I dont see what that has to do with anything. Thats his job. Why does he get special treatment because he plays all his own instruments? (I mean if thats where you're going (and no offence but I suspect it is) then just say so. If you think Prince should be able to do what he wants "because he's Prince" then thats you're opinion and you're entitled to it. But it's not in question that he's musically a genius.



When I referenced "sense of self-entitlement" I was refering to the fact Prince feels he can claim ownership of pictures that arent his.
Of course he doesnt owe the fans anything... and equally the fans dont owe him anything. The door swings both ways.

katt said:

Well, legally hq hasnt done any wrong. Again if you're talking "morally" then thats a different issue, and shouldnt really be mixed in with the copyright issue.
HQ is run by people and by definition has probably made some mistakes in the past, and some people in this thread obviously feel hard done by the Quake. But I dont see why those issues are being mixed in with something unrelated.



Irrelivant really. I dont know if thats true or not, it certainly wreaks of someone trying to end a conversation because they dont like where it's going (not you but "ill girl #1"). Either way, all i'm saying is that if I had a serious illness I wouldnt announce it in a shop so as to get to the front of the queue, and on the internet especially, all that matters is your mind.
I dont see what it has to do with Prince claiming copyright of pictures he doesnt own. At best it comes over as someone trying to dig up ANY dirt on HQ so they can point and say "see they're not perfect". The issue at hand is fan pics from London.



Nobody has been told to shut up, you're still here arent you? (as you should be)
As for US vs THEM.. ha look at the title of this thread, then say that again with a straight face. The thread was launched to be a HQ bashing thread, which is fine really, but when people started making assumptions and misrepresenting what was actually happening thats when some HQ mods and members decided to say something. It now seems that since it's pretty much been accepted that HQ has legally done nothing wrong, year old flame wars are being brought up as if they have any bearing on whats going on today.

I agree its not a nice situation. But there were some people who didnt get to see the London shows, some fans took some pictures and shared them with some mates on a forum, is that REALLY such an injustice? It's not as if they were being used to sell a product (and if they were then go after those people, but to punish everyone?).
It was literally like me going into the staff room at work and going "GUESS WHAT I DID LAST NIGHT!" then passing my phone round the room for anyone* that is interested.

*obviously the web is a bigger "anyone" but the point is that they're only being seen (as with anything) by "people who are interested".
[Edited 10/9/07 8:36am]

DP
[Edited 10/9/07 4:14am]

talking about coyrighted photos .....

http://prince.org/msg/7/241078

80spfantwp said:

OK, yoda.

Noodled24 said:

Prince deserves more respect. The only circumstance I see, where anyone is "doing what they want", are those taking photos at his performances, then posting them on a web site, despite his request not to do so.
Throw in "constitutional rights", photographer's "copyright to pics" and I'm rolling on the floor laughing. It's absurd.
Prince isn't pursuing individuals,(which he could) he's attempting to prevent illicit photos from being posted on a fan site.
Before anyone challenges my use of illicit.....time will tell.
The arguement is going around and around in circles between those who think HQ is right and those who don't.
I'm willing to and wait to see what happens.....

xplnyrslf said:

It's clear to me that you seek & find evidence, which confirms your belief (otherwise known as self-confirmatory bias).
In your own time, I would suggest arguing the case from an opposite viewpoint to your own and see what evidence you find.
And for what it's worth, I really don't see you quietening down; it's just not enjoyable, whilst you operate with such a filter.

Noodled24 said:

Gav and txtladykat have stated HQ problems where not solely down to the photographs taken in London, this has been repeated many times by them, and you’re the one that is only going on about the London O2 pictures. So it is relevant to some.

I know the girl very well she is not one to act in that way, I witnessed what went down along with many others, the pictures she posted where posted at the NPGMC, she was told off in the NPGMC Prince’s official website for posting those pictures and told to post source etc She was hurt we all knew she was ill at the time and her emotions where everywhere, On the internet you get close bonds with people you see them hurt people will stand up and try and help.

You should read back the entire thread to see what other people have said about HQ
These people are just not disgruntle members they are also current members of HQ that do not agree with how the HQ moderators have dealt with the troubles past and present day. Not all of these people are digging up so called dirt and neither am I.
I suppose you didn’t notice when I called the thread starter a wee monster and pretend to smack his behind with the emoticons.
Most seem to be concerned and tired of the entire situation and have aired why. If you do not listen to others/members past and present this is what happens, if you tell people if they do not like the situation then do not visit the website people will state how they feel. HQ is seeking freedom of speech the members should also be able to do the same. If HQ wants a harmonious relationship with members and other websites then listen to all and take on board what others are saying then try finding a way to resolve the problems always remembering you can not please all.

I do understand where you’re coming from about the posting of the London pictures but then again I can see from the NPG team’s side.
Humour me a minute look at this scenario
Let’s pretend you’re the one in the public eye and you may have been offered a contract to make a book or magazine of exclusive pictures of an event, you do a performance in a private place, the ticket and venue state no photography allowed yet people still take pictures. You the celebrity know now that the book or magazine may not have exclusive pictures of the event if pictures are released into the public domain. I am sure you would be miffed. Now I am not saying the scenario I have written is something prince is doing I am just asking you to look from the other side to at least see that there maybe other reasons why they asked for the O2 pictures not to be posted.

I wish I knew the solution to this but I do not know what it is, maybe the solution is to just compromise who knows but wish it would be resolved now Noodled24 hopefully then everyone can move on and start again.

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[Edited 10/9/07 10:04am]

xplnyrslf said:

I think there comes a time when you have to draw a line at how much you respect someone when it's going to have a detrimental impact. Everyone has a camera on their mobile phone, it's just not realistic to expect them not to use them. At the end of the day it's an independent site.
As for going after individuals. He has. There doesnt seem much point going over that and the legal issues that others have already.

katt said:

Just stop this nonsense. If I acted like the devil I would have been banned from the NPGMC, don't you think?

dothejump said:

Who are you to tell me what to do your not God neither are you someone in legal authority or a moderator on this website. I shall say what I and others witnessed just because you where not given a ban doesn’t mean what you did was right most of the members all voiced opinions at that time stated this. I am certainly not going to bow down to the likes of you get of your high horse and stop telling others what to do, if you do not like the truth being said then you shouldnt have done what you did, learn to deal with it.

katt said:

Same goes for you. You aren't any of the things you mention either.

katt said:

I know a lot of people who know what I wrote and they agree with me. So we disagree on this point.

katt said:

It is your truth!!! So get of your high horse. I know exactly what I said and I'm still behind it.


Most of all: This whole thing does have nothing to do with the topic that is being discussed in this thread.
[Edited 10/9/07 11:21am]

dothejump said:

You started this dear with your attempts in telling me what to do.
The way you treated that lass I wouldn’t treat my worst enemy. I witnessed it, I was involved, and I was told to not visit HQ for saying there was no need to treat someone in that way over a photographs. You at that time help create further separation between websites and showed people at the NPGMC that the NPG team where not the ones that cause troubles as professed by some you ousted the hypocrisy.

katt said:

Thank you for all your compliments!!! You give me too much credit. Thanks again!!

dothejump said:

Ur welcome.

katt said:[quote]


I understand that, and yeh, probably. But then even the best camphone pics arent exactly the same as an SLR and all access.
Imagine spending hundreds of pounds (or more) going to see the guy, and then coming home to a letter from his lawyers (essentially calling you a thief) because you were excited and took a few pictures of someone you admire.
Personally I dont think people are sharing these pics out of malice.

Prince kicked, but I heard he slipped on some purple bananas, and hurt his own ass so much, he is no longer performing.

It seems he is doing some bible studies right now

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Please close this thread mods.... if you are out there somewhere

xenophobia2002 said:

You wanna end the thread on that note? I say leave it open.