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Reply #330 posted 10/05/07 7:35am

wonder505

Noodled24 said:[quote]

katt said:



Actually there are 2 sides. Fans take an interest but they're not involved. (well you did say, and I do love it so)

Until the truth decides to rear its head everyone will make there own minds up with the information they have be it right or wrong. What is important at this time is this community stops battling against each other and allows those that need to resolve this get on with the job so that we all can move on.


This is the issue I think...
"The Truth" is that team npg cant claim copyright of something they dont own.

Your claim is based on the morality of HQ posting pictures Prince doesnt want posted. Thats a different kettle of fish.
The trouble with "moral" issues is that there is no base. Who's morals should we look to. A smackheads morals will clearly be different from jonny currant-bun's morals. But from a moral standpont why should one be seen as "better"?
So all we can do is look to the law.



You make a good point, but if something is done that the artist considers to be disrespectful then problems are going to arise out it. Not to say that Prince was not disrespectful to HQ, but at the same time HQ uploaded information I thought were inappropriate, so again, I see both sides to blame and hope that they can see what they did wrong and come to a solution.shrug
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Reply #331 posted 10/05/07 7:42am

Noodled24

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lol people are saying they have a problem with how HQ handled things and your calling them lazy and that they don't know the facts. The point is whether HQ is breaking the law or not, I just believe that there is more to the story and unless I see all the emails, documents and dialog presented before me, on both ends, rather than it solely being communicated by HQ I cannot jump to HQ's side or Prince's side.


No, I'm saying that if people are upset with HOW HQ handled things (ie making it public) then say that. Dont try to dress it up and anything more than that. Dont go on to make allegations of blackmail.
Perhaps a good opening line would be "I'm not sure I agree with the way HQ has made this public because..."


Second, you tell me not to state opinion as fact, when you did the very same thing. You make a claim on saying that neither side made a claim of blackmail when you have no proof of what BOTH sides have say or didn't say. there is so much we don't know, so I agree with katt, things should have been done privately. Right now, I have no idea what is going on behind the scenes with Ben and NPG, if anything is going on at all and that is how I think it should be.


HQ has never said team npg had accused them of blackmail.
When WS came to HQ, he never said HQ had tried to blackmail him.

Obviously there may be things that we're not aware of, but blackmail has never been mentioned yet. And now that I think about it Gav who I believe is a mod at HQ also denied the blackmail thing as soon as it was mentioned.

Fine that you think it should be done in private, but you're still reading this thread so you've taken an interest if nothing else. HQ allowed us to be kept upto date, and would make statements when they could since as the events unfolded it could potentially effect every member. I think thats very respectful of them.
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Reply #332 posted 10/05/07 7:46am

katt

Noodled24 said:[quote]

katt said:



Actually there are 2 sides. Fans take an interest but they're not involved. (well you did say, and I do love it so)

Until the truth decides to rear its head everyone will make there own minds up with the information they have be it right or wrong. What is important at this time is this community stops battling against each other and allows those that need to resolve this get on with the job so that we all can move on.


This is the issue I think...
"The Truth" is that team npg cant claim copyright of something they dont own.

Your claim is based on the morality of HQ posting pictures Prince doesnt want posted. Thats a different kettle of fish.
The trouble with "moral" issues is that there is no base. Who's morals should we look to. A smackheads morals will clearly be different from jonny currant-bun's morals. But from a moral standpont why should one be seen as "better"?
So all we can do is look to the law.

Are you employed in the Law buisness?

This case has very much interested me to the point I have phoned my cousin and told him about this situation (he is in the Law business) he has said he will send me some information and case laws etc and if I do not understand he will explain it further to me in layman terms, this is something I have never done before so I m not sure mind you if I will offer this information into the public domain as it could possibly start more troubles but at least then I will know exactly what the law states.
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Reply #333 posted 10/05/07 8:16am

Noodled24

katt said:


Are you employed in the Law buisness?


No... well I mean I used to watch LA law if that counts. But other than that I'm just a twat.
I did recieve one of the laughable C&D letters where they imply you're breaking the law without actually saying which law. That perked my interest, from there I just followed the threads on HQ. I've also visited a few law websites just out of interest.
I'm just saying (as it has been said before) that Moral and Legal arguments are different. If I believed in the bible then morally it's accptable to walk in to HMV on a sunday and throw rocks at the staff until they're dead. Legally, thats just murder.
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Reply #334 posted 10/05/07 8:21am

funktank

Noodled24 said:

If I believed in the bible then morally it's accptable to walk in to HMV on a sunday and throw rocks at the staff until they're dead. Legally, thats just murder.[b]


For me, quote of the year.
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Reply #335 posted 10/05/07 8:56am

Noodled24

funktank said:


For me, quote of the year.


If there was ever a reason to take up Christianity... lets be honest even the human gene pool needs a little bit of chlorine.
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Reply #336 posted 10/05/07 10:38am

liberation

wonder505 said:

liberation said:

Why bother with all this HQ/NPG crap?...seriously guys, i have said this before to the mod on HQ (and got banned) be done with Prince and his crap...move on. Close all these sites down and forget about him.

He dosen't appreciate anything you guys do.


so i guess you will be deleting your account here any second now right?


I rarely come here and when i do it's normally to talk about non P. related stuff, i've been banned from HQ for like two years, i very rarely post to AMP.

No need for me to delete my Org account, rest assured i'll make an ass of myself or piss someone off soon enough, thus envoking a ban here also.

razz
"Waiting to be banned"
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Reply #337 posted 10/05/07 10:40am

liberation

Katt...you seem very passionate about this subject, you'd be better off devoting that energy to worthwhile things like animal welfare then some 4ft nothing dumbass from Minneapolis.
"Waiting to be banned"
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Reply #338 posted 10/05/07 10:48am

prettymansson

liberation said:

Katt...you seem very passionate about this subject, you'd be better off devoting that energy to worthwhile things like animal welfare then some 4ft nothing dumbass from Minneapolis.


Lawd have mercy.. lol
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Reply #339 posted 10/05/07 10:55am

katt

liberation said:

Katt...you seem very passionate about this subject, you'd be better off devoting that energy to worthwhile things like animal welfare then some 4ft nothing dumbass from Minneapolis.

poke U wee monster, I am not defending anyone get in chat so i can give u a good spanking wink
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Reply #340 posted 10/05/07 11:03am

Lothan

For any Quake mod that will answer:

If Prince requested that pictures be taken down, whether or not he has legal standing, what is wrong with honoring such a request? Is it jjust a case of "we'll do what we want"?
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Reply #341 posted 10/05/07 11:07am

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Lothan said:

For any Quake mod that will answer:

If Prince requested that pictures be taken down, whether or not he has legal standing, what is wrong with honoring such a request? Is it jjust a case of "we'll do what we want"?


We have honored requests. But on a fansite belong pictures of the artist and if we honored all the requests there would be no pic left.
Formerly known as Parade @ HQ and formerly proud owner of www.paradetour.com
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Reply #342 posted 10/05/07 11:14am

Lothan

dothejump said:

Lothan said:

For any Quake mod that will answer:

If Prince requested that pictures be taken down, whether or not he has legal standing, what is wrong with honoring such a request? Is it jjust a case of "we'll do what we want"?


We have honored requests. But on a fansite belong pictures of the artist and if we honored all the requests there would be no pic left.
Thank you Parade.
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Reply #343 posted 10/05/07 11:48am

prettymansson

dothejump said:

Lothan said:

For any Quake mod that will answer:

If Prince requested that pictures be taken down, whether or not he has legal standing, what is wrong with honoring such a request? Is it jjust a case of "we'll do what we want"?


We have honored requests. But on a fansite belong pictures of the artist and if we honored all the requests there would be no pic left.


By the way..
I just wanted to tell u that paradetour.com Kicks ASS !
when I found it online a few years ago I was blown away !
The Parade era will always be Prince at his best to me and your site is AMAZING ! One day Im going to offer you some stuff..I need to get it out of storage..My first Live Prince show was Madison square garden 86' and I have a few newspaper articles.. ticket stubs ect..
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Reply #344 posted 10/05/07 11:56am

dothejump

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prettymansson said:



By the way..
I just wanted to tell u that paradetour.com Kicks ASS !
when I found it online a few years ago I was blown away !
The Parade era will always be Prince at his best to me and your site is AMAZING ! One day Im going to offer you some stuff..I need to get it out of storage..My first Live Prince show was Madison square garden 86' and I have a few newspaper articles.. ticket stubs ect..


Thanks for the compliments but I should make more work of it and update it regularly. smile

Looking forward to the reviews! cool
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Reply #345 posted 10/05/07 11:59am

prettymansson

..Sometimes I think about how I would feel If Any and Every little thing I have said or done since I was a teenager was posted online by masses of people that would be CRITIQUING everything about me..
who Im dating..
If Im straight on Gay..
What my clothes look like...
Do I wear a wig..
Did I get surgery to look so young..
Calling my music garbage for the last 15 years...
Talking about my height...ect..
It would freak me out.. eek
I am to blame myself for the same things that all the other fans that love Prince are doing..But If any of us were in his shoes for a day..
I bet we would All have another Take on this whole Housequake situation..
Shit..I get freaked out when One person is in my business too close..Imagine Hundreds of Thousands Daily !
Damn neutral
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Reply #346 posted 10/05/07 12:04pm

Lothan

prettymansson said:

..Sometimes I think about how I would feel If Any and Every little thing I have said or done since I was a teenager was posted online by masses of people that would be CRITIQUING everything about me..
who Im dating..
If Im straight on Gay..
What my clothes look like...
Do I wear a wig..
Did I get surgery to look so young..
Calling my music garbage for the last 15 years...
Talking about my height...ect..
It would freak me out.. eek
I am to blame myself for the same things that all the other fans that love Prince are doing..But If any of us were in his shoes for a day..
I bet we would All have another Take on this whole Housequake situation..
Shit..I get freaked out when One person is in my business too close..Imagine Hundreds of Thousands Daily !
Damn neutral
nod And these are the "fans", people who you think would respect the artist.
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Reply #347 posted 10/05/07 12:16pm

swanny

prettymansson said:

..Sometimes I think about how I would feel If Any and Every little thing I have said or done since I was a teenager was posted online by masses of people that would be CRITIQUING everything about me..
who Im dating..
If Im straight on Gay..
What my clothes look like...
Do I wear a wig..
Did I get surgery to look so young..
Calling my music garbage for the last 15 years...
Talking about my height...ect..
It would freak me out.. eek
I am to blame myself for the same things that all the other fans that love Prince are doing..But If any of us were in his shoes for a day..
I bet we would All have another Take on this whole Housequake situation..
Shit..I get freaked out when One person is in my business too close..Imagine Hundreds of Thousands Daily !
Damn neutral


You make it sound like Prince is the only person in the world to receive this type of treatment. Plenty of other people do yet they don't treat their fans like cunts.

Open your eyes.
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Reply #348 posted 10/05/07 12:33pm

prettymansson

swanny said:

prettymansson said:

..Sometimes I think about how I would feel If Any and Every little thing I have said or done since I was a teenager was posted online by masses of people that would be CRITIQUING everything about me..
who Im dating..
If Im straight on Gay..
What my clothes look like...
Do I wear a wig..
Did I get surgery to look so young..
Calling my music garbage for the last 15 years...
Talking about my height...ect..
It would freak me out.. eek
I am to blame myself for the same things that all the other fans that love Prince are doing..But If any of us were in his shoes for a day..
I bet we would All have another Take on this whole Housequake situation..
Shit..I get freaked out when One person is in my business too close..Imagine Hundreds of Thousands Daily !
Damn neutral


You make it sound like Prince is the only person in the world to receive this type of treatment. Plenty of other people do yet they don't treat their fans like cunts.

Open your eyes.


Im very aware of how things work in the entertainment business..
I simply was making the point that Anybody would occasionally get fed up with all the Bullshit that comes with being a public figure.
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Reply #349 posted 10/05/07 12:33pm

Noodled24

prettymansson said:

..Sometimes I think about how I would feel If Any and Every little thing I have said or done since I was a teenager was posted online by masses of people that would be CRITIQUING everything about me..
who Im dating..
If Im straight on Gay..
What my clothes look like...
Do I wear a wig..
Did I get surgery to look so young..
Calling my music garbage for the last 15 years...
Talking about my height...ect..
It would freak me out.. eek
I am to blame myself for the same things that all the other fans that love Prince are doing..But If any of us were in his shoes for a day..
I bet we would All have another Take on this whole Housequake situation..
Shit..I get freaked out when One person is in my business too close..Imagine Hundreds of Thousands Daily !
Damn neutral


A fair point, but, I would say, If someone doesnt like the sight of blood it's probably best not to pursue a career as a doctor.
If someone thinks being shot at, attacked and hated by many would be freaky, dont join the police or army, you wont enjoy it.

There are certain things that "go with the job". It's almost universal and maybe not "fair" in some peoples opinion, but it's the way it is. If you're famous, people will take your picture. I'm sure it's not nice when people say bad things, but I've yet to hear any "sleb" cry when they get a good review. If my boss gives me a poor performance review I probably deserved it. You take the good with the bad.

This isnt specific to whats happening with HQ (or yourself), but if you had released a picture of yourself wearing only your pants and dodgy tash, while standing under a shower, and 30 years later found it a bit embarrasing, well frankly I'd have no sympathy for you. Everyone has embarrasing pictures that their friends or parents love to bring out... man up, and laugh it off. (again, by "you" I mean "one" - I'm just trying to not sound pretentious)
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Reply #350 posted 10/05/07 12:49pm

prettymansson

Noodled24 said:

prettymansson said:

..Sometimes I think about how I would feel If Any and Every little thing I have said or done since I was a teenager was posted online by masses of people that would be CRITIQUING everything about me..
who Im dating..
If Im straight on Gay..
What my clothes look like...
Do I wear a wig..
Did I get surgery to look so young..
Calling my music garbage for the last 15 years...
Talking about my height...ect..
It would freak me out.. eek
I am to blame myself for the same things that all the other fans that love Prince are doing..But If any of us were in his shoes for a day..
I bet we would All have another Take on this whole Housequake situation..
Shit..I get freaked out when One person is in my business too close..Imagine Hundreds of Thousands Daily !
Damn neutral


A fair point, but, I would say, If someone doesnt like the sight of blood it's probably best not to pursue a career as a doctor.
If someone thinks being shot at, attacked and hated by many would be freaky, dont join the police or army, you wont enjoy it.

There are certain things that "go with the job". It's almost universal and maybe not "fair" in some peoples opinion, but it's the way it is. If you're famous, people will take your picture. I'm sure it's not nice when people say bad things, but I've yet to hear any "sleb" cry when they get a good review. If my boss gives me a poor performance review I probably deserved it. You take the good with the bad.

This isnt specific to whats happening with HQ (or yourself), but if you had released a picture of yourself wearing only your pants and dodgy tash, while standing under a shower, and 30 years later found it a bit embarrasing, well frankly I'd have no sympathy for you. Everyone has embarrasing pictures that their friends or parents love to bring out... man up, and laugh it off. (again, by "you" I mean "one" - I'm just trying to not sound pretentious)



Your views are typically how I see things myself..I just was thinking "for a brief moment" about how I would feel personally about my life being an open book to the public..I think Prince has accepted his position in life a long time ago..But I also know he's a mega Narcissistic/control freak and Maybe..Just Maybe..His problems with the pics has more to do with things like "not looking his best in some of the shots" or "Not wanting to give away the whole show online for people that maybe will buy tickets to the shows"
I personally have been to so many Prince shows that all I needed to see was the band line up..The stage..and a few 1 min videos on Youtube..To know that After seeing 6 musicology shows, The london Dates were pretty much the same damn thing with a symbol stage and a new "Praise for Prince" intro Video..
Im rambling.. smile But..Im just saying it must be hard for him sometimes to turn the other way and ignore some stuff....Who knows whats pissing him off...It may just be something that none of the fans have come up with yet..?
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Reply #351 posted 10/05/07 6:17pm

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Reply #352 posted 10/06/07 12:52am

xplnyrslf

Prince can defend himself. I made my position clear on another forum.


now i'm done with the topic.....
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Reply #353 posted 10/06/07 1:07am

dothejump

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xplnyrslf said:

Everyone draws their own conclusions based on limited resources available: here's mine.....
HQ deserves a high heeled foot up their ass. And with all undue respect.


And why is that? You can at least tell the resons for your opinion.
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Reply #354 posted 10/06/07 2:29am

xenophobia2002

because probably xplnrslf feels more at home at The Org, where this things are being discussed in the main forum : Prince Music (!!!) and more :

http://prince.org/msg/7/242137

Prince a lesbian .....
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Reply #355 posted 10/06/07 2:52am

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Talking about the pics on HQ...isn't some of them here aswell? Has there been any threats from the NPG team about it here? To me something in the water certainly don't compute when it comes to this...I think there are more to the matter.

For example, isn't it kind of arrogant/provocing to have a discussionforum for bootlegs..?
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Reply #356 posted 10/06/07 3:25am

Chastity

I thought it was OK to discuss bootlegs here? Just as it is on Housequake. To quote the rules of this fine site:

ABSOLUTELY NO SOLICITING FOR BOOTLEGS.You want to discuss them? That's fine - but NO OFFERS TO COPY, NO REQUESTS TO COPY, NO "WHERE CAN I GET", etc. NO POSTING OF LINKS TO THESE SITES EITHER. Please be aware that the moderators here strictly enforce this rule.


So it will be OK to discuss them here as well. IMHO
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Reply #357 posted 10/06/07 4:25am

katt

xenophobia2002 said:

because probably xplnrslf feels more at home at The Org, where this things are being discussed in the main forum : Prince Music (!!!) and more :

http://prince.org/msg/7/242137

Prince a lesbian .....

There is nothing wrong with someone sharing what a child has said or done about Prince in a prince named forum, I have even posted about my grandchild Link: http://prince.org/msg/7/230798
It also happens at HQ and we used to do it at the NPGMC. It is amusing what children say and do sometimes and i am positive Prince would have a good laugh about what children think.
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Reply #358 posted 10/06/07 4:40am

xenophobia2002

katt said:

xenophobia2002 said:

because probably xplnrslf feels more at home at The Org, where this things are being discussed in the main forum : Prince Music (!!!) and more :

http://prince.org/msg/7/242137

Prince a lesbian .....

There is nothing wrong with someone sharing what a child has said or done about Prince in a prince named forum, I have even posted about my grandchild Link: http://prince.org/msg/7/230798
It also happens at HQ and we used to do it at the NPGMC. It is amusing what children say and do sometimes and i am positive Prince would have a good laugh about what children think.


yes, you are right, my 3 year old daughter watched him too, and said he looked like the biggest asshole on earth, with his feminal smile, sueing his biggest fanbase over some concert pics.... those darn funny kids, unbelievable !!!
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Reply #359 posted 10/06/07 4:40am

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moderator

Chastity said:

I thought it was OK to discuss bootlegs here? Just as it is on Housequake. To quote the rules of this fine site:

ABSOLUTELY NO SOLICITING FOR BOOTLEGS.You want to discuss them? That's fine - but NO OFFERS TO COPY, NO REQUESTS TO COPY, NO "WHERE CAN I GET", etc. NO POSTING OF LINKS TO THESE SITES EITHER. Please be aware that the moderators here strictly enforce this rule.


So it will be OK to discuss them here as well. IMHO


What's this got to do with the problems over at HQ? confuse

[Lets keep on topic people]
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