To whom it may concern (that means U sosgemini i want a luv fest NOW!!)

Singing Luv fest baby (to the song luv shack)

Gav said:

He probably means to say that .org is one big happy family hence the comparison with the NPGMC.

The thing is HQ is where most of the die collectors are and some of them pretend that they know everything which can be marked as arrogant for some people. i

And yes sometimes i disagreed with mods but realise how much effort they put in the sites to keep them up and running and yes sometimes that can be stressful.

@Gav i can't wait until HQ is opened so that i can contribute to the setlists and all the other stuff.


PEACE

katt thanks for clarifying yourself. i know what you mean, because i try to stay nuetral as well most of the time. once in awhile though it is hard to do. yes gemini had pointed out that she interpeted my post to be fishing or trying to get someone in trouble....and as i explained before, that was not the case whatsoever, or i would have posted th person's name. the point that i was getting at was that that very same person was bashing the quake becuase they "dont' respect prince's wishes". i thought it was very hypocritical that the very person that was bashing the org for not respecting his wishes is a big bootlegger. that was all i meant by that.

rest assured, they are working on a resolution behind closed doors. this thing with npg and housequake goes way further back than everyone has seen recently. housequake wasn't even the ones to make it public, npg and websheriff did that. they came onto housequake and started posting. that is when it all became public. again, i dont say that to go aganist anyone, but i wanted you to understand how it wsa that it became public. aaron did the right thing in shutting the site down this week to give everyone time to rest, cool off, and to continue negotiations behind closed doors.

peace...and let's get back to the funk now

katt said:

txladykat said:

really? bcuz I remember the communication was always the mods telling us what NPG told them to take down. My earliest memory was even HQ posting some legal order requesting removal of the superbowl video. I don't recall the NPG actually posting a direct order to HQ? I don't want to misinterpret you, you could very well be right but I just never saw that, and I thought websherrif registered recently before the Site took a break.
[Edited 10/4/07 20:15pm]

wonder505 said:

back during the superbowl, yes a mod posted the c&d but then it was subsequently removed. We were talking about the current situation. I agree the email probably shouldn't have been posted, members were made aware of the situation at that time because that is the reason they suspended the video forum, and apparently felt the members were entitled to know why it was suspended.

I think the current discussion about taking it behind doors was in reference to all the back and forth on the boards recently, mot the superbowl video.

In regards to the current situation, the NPG did post a direct order. They posted in the forums about removing the concert pics. The thread was removed, and they came back and did it again. If I am not mistaken, Websheriff was also posting, maybe under an alias? This created alot of tension on the boards and the WS and NPG were immediately banned from the site. This is when HQ temporarily shut down registrations a few weeks back because they kept coming back and signing up over and over again. Things went downhill very fast after that. Negotiations were going on behind the scenes and as I understand it WS kept asking for access to the boards again to address members directly. He was granted that access under his name. As someone said, I think WS thought he was going to be met with the same fanfare that he received at princefams.

Of course, I am not a mod, but this is my understanding of the situation. Hope that sheds some light.

Gav said:

That didn't answer my question.....

xplnyrslf said:

i am a paralegal that specializes in copyright and intellectual property law.

txladykat said:

http://prince.org/msg/3/247301

sosgemini said:

i wasnt quite sure you why posted the thread in reply to me...but i assumed (yea i know, LOL) that yall wanted me to comment? If so, there ya go..comment on the thread

now, it is 1:00 am here and little ole me has to be up for work in 4 hours....gotta catch some zzzz's.

ciao

sosgemini said:

so, a lot of posts in this thread were deleted because they were off topic, and now we have a moderator, who posts here, completely OFF TOPIC ?????

S T R A N G E ! ! ! ! !

Why bother with all this HQ/NPG crap?...seriously guys, i have said this before to the mod on HQ (and got banned) be done with Prince and his crap...move on. Close all these sites down and forget about him.

He dosen't appreciate anything you guys do.

liberation said:

Richard, I guess "you guys" must include yourself as well .....

txladykat said:

On this occasion you are stating that it was the NPG and WS that brought this palaver into the public domain you have not mentioned the many times HQ hinted about the troubles so please stop this pretence HQ do have a hand in this as well. HQ in the past also has brought the goings on into the public domain many times, this pretence that HQ always do no wrong attitude quiet frankly is childish.

Problems will not be solved if people keep trying to make it look all one sided.
Mistakes are lessons we learn in life, if people admit them you then learn from them then find ways to move on.

Time this was done in this case.

Aaron did the right thing closing the website hopefully they will all sit down and resolve this now with cool heads.

liberation said:

so i guess you will be deleting your account here any second now right?

xenophobia2002 said:

1) stop being so defensive....this sh*t is not that serious.

2) Note that luv4u also pointed out the comments were getting too personal....

3) that exchange is over...i didn't jack the entire thread.

5) stop being so defensive.

sosgemini said:[quote]

xenophobia2002 said:

1) stop being so defensive....this sh*t is not that serious.

quote]

Off Topic is Off Topic

For a lot of Britsh people the missing British girl is very serious, as a matter of fact, in most European gas/petrolstations, there are posters of her !!!

katt said:

Hold your horses there, You implied HQ was trying to blackmail team npg, I said "no they're not" and your reply was "you're not helping"!? I'm not the one making baseless claims because I'm too lazy to read up on what I'm talking about.
There have been numerous threads about this, here and on HQ (I'm aware that at present you cant access those threads on HQ, but I expect there are other sites with the info). Everything has been explained a number of times by a number of people. 10 pages into this thread you pull out the word "blackmail" seemingly from nowhere since it certainly doesn't apply.
If people don't understand what is happening I'd suggest reading the thread before posting.
Yes people could read "between the lines" but they'd be wrong, as you were. The facts have been stated, There isnt really anything much to question and there is nothing to gain from trying to twist, misrepresent, or "read into things" (that aren't there).
I think HQ did the right thing keeping it's members informed of what was going on. It's a "prince community" website, The website is under threat and that effects the community, The Org looks at things differently and thats fine, nobody has suggested they do otherwise.

I'll apologize in advance for this entire post (although only as a courtesy - I don't actually think I'm wrong) I'm quite aware how condescending I sound here, but to be frank I'm losing patience. You're protesting about HQ making this public, you think it should have been kept behind closed doors... and yet you're quite happy to barge in spouting what amounts to nonsense (re: the blackmail thing, not everything)

I'm never going to get this time back... it must have been a week by now.

katt said:

for the record, I never said "housequake does no wrong". In fact, I agreed with you up above that posting the superbowl email was a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes, that is how we learn. However, I feel like you analyze every single word I say and try to turn it into twist into a meaning that never existed. On that note. we obviously won't get anywhere so I think it is time to put this matter to rest as to our discussions and move on.

Noodled24 said:

Noodle, everyone has a right to their opinion and just because some believe that HQ is partly to blame does not mean that they are not aware, knowledgeable or understand the situation. If you feel HQ is totally in the right then so be it, but not everyone has to follow that path. No matter how many times you post, we are all going to perceive and interpret things differently and that is everyone's right whether you like it or not.
[Edited 10/5/07 6:41am]

wonder505 said:

Of course not. Some people feel HQ is at fault (they're wrong (legally)) but they're more than entitled to their opinion.
HOWEVER, throwing out words such as "blackmail" doesnt help anyone. Especially since it has NEVER been said by either side that such a thing happened.

As I said, the facts have been explained a number of times now. Anyone with an interest can read them. The only reason not to is lazyness (ie people assuming that 10 pages in to a thread folks are happy to reapeat what has already been said.

I definately wasnt implying they should agree with HQ. But if they want to participate in the discussion then they should look at how far the discussion has come.
[Edited 10/5/07 6:50am]

Noodled24 said:

How can you claim what either side said or didn't say, when we have not heard BOTH sides?

Whether it is based on legal facts or opinions, many have read all the facts and just have a huge problem with how HQ handled the situation, some folks agree with how HQ handled the situation, that is just how it is.
[Edited 10/5/07 6:57am]

xenophobia2002 said:[quote]

sosgemini said:

you really do like stirring up sh*t don't you?

look, i couldn't recall who katt was, i asked a question to clarify and she answered...and we moved on...case closed.

Noodled24 said:

I also stated I was making a point giving a scenario how people could get confused or misinterpret I also showed another example about another situation then followed this on with something txladykat mentioned about a website

I think you’re the one that should read back as well, also your attempts to imply I know jack about this situation for your information you know not what I know so you can believe what you please.
I am certainly not going to get into combatant behaviour with you, you can be as condescending as you please it will just roll over like water does over a ducks back with me dear.

All this pointing fingers in one direction does no good there are many sides to this story. Until the truth decides to rear its head everyone will make there own minds up with the information they have be it right or wrong. What is important at this time is this community stops battling against each other and allows those that need to resolve this get on with the job so that we all can move on.

wonder505 said:

Prince thinks HQ is breaking a copyright law... they're not. Whats to understand? HQ is doing nothing illegal. (I wont even mention that WS was unable to state the laws they thought HQ were breaking when asked)



Again, fine. Thats not under dispute, If you or anyone has a problem with HOW HQ handled this then just say so. Just dont state opinion as if it was fact, and try not to make alligations of misconduct towards HQ when it's based on absolutely nothing.
[Edited 10/5/07 7:32am]

txladykat said:

I am not analyzing everything you say I just was surprised that some people including yourself seemed to be pointing fingers only at the NPG and WS and leaving HQ out. This very much took me aback as you are normally so level headed and see all sides and have been vocal about it all in the past. My only intention was to point out all sides may have done things that all sides are not innocent. In no way do I wish to go back and forth with you as I do respect how you have tried to help the community stick together in the past and agree we should move on.

sosgemini said:

Yes we have moved on and started a luv fest
Marvin gaye song lets get it on now playing

I'm just shocked about the violence of some people against other fansites...It's just disgusting...
I thought all we were looking for was D.M.S.R..once again I'm deceived about people, the Prince fns community is not an happy oasis as I thought...hope HQ opens again very soon, at least I've never found anyone throwing shit against orgers.

katt said:[quote]

Noodled24 said:

Thankyou



Actually there are 2 sides. Fans take an interest but they're not involved. (well you did say, and I do love it so)



This is the issue I think...
"The Truth" is that team npg cant claim copyright of something they dont own.

Your claim is based on the morality of HQ posting pictures Prince doesnt want posted. Thats a different kettle of fish.
The trouble with "moral" issues is that there is no base. Who's morals should we look to. A smackheads morals will clearly be different from jonny currant-bun's morals. But from a moral standpont why should one be seen as "better"?
So all we can do is look to the law.

Noodled24 said:

people are saying they have a problem with how HQ handled things and your calling them lazy and that they don't know the facts. The point is whether HQ is breaking the law or not, I just believe that there is more to the story and unless I see all the emails, documents and dialog presented before me, on both ends, rather than it solely being communicated by HQ I cannot jump to HQ's side or Prince's side.

Second, you tell me not to state opinion as fact, when you did the very same thing. You make a claim on saying that neither side made a claim of blackmail when you have no proof of what BOTH sides have say or didn't say. there is so much we don't know, so I agree with katt, things should have been done privately. Right now, I have no idea what is going on behind the scenes with Ben and NPG, if anything is going on at all and that is how I think it should be.