ecnirp98 said:

S3V3N said:

ecnirp98 said: You're right! Prince probably used the bombing as an excuse to back out of the shows. He's a flake and a coward, and nobody would know unless you came here to expose such an important lie with your brilliant detective work. Do the world a favor and delete your account.

Cancelling the concerts because of the Paris terrorism would not be an excuse, cowardly or flaky in my opinion, if you or your staff/fans would not be/feel safe you have every right to cancel, so I would not say any of these things.

My point is that the tour was pretty much cancelled before the Paris attack happened, only the most optimistic Prince fan would have expected this tour to go ahead on Friday hours after the initial sale never happened.

I do not feel I have said anything that justifys my requirement to delete my account, if anyone can convince me otherwise, or a moderator wants to, I am happy to oblige.

Don't delete your account.

Prince had just painted himself into a corner, by having international press fly in for an announcement he could have made on Twitter, then postponing the ticket sales because of a decades-old problem he should have addressed separately (and uh, earlier), and he saw a way out which no-one would argue with.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Flying in the international press was to create early buzz in Europe for his HIGHLY anticipated MEGA , grand piano debut tour extravaganza . has been in business long enough to know how to create anticipation for his highly regarded shows. Which had Europe fans at a fever pitch to get in.

Hm, yes, but then when things go awry with Ticketmaster and we're waiting for that HIGHLY anticipated further EXPLANATION and PLAN OF ACTION.... MEGA silence.

And once again disappointment reaches a fever pitch.

Pentacle said:

Militant said:

No, it wasn't. The promoter ICO still had those dates on hold on Saturday morning as per the venues and people who work there.

The sale of tickets was postponed but still planned to go ahead. And then the attack happened, and THEN the decision was made to postpone the dates.

You expect Prince to solve the ticketmaster problem between now and say February?

Sure. He has many options open to him.

He could use Una Tickets, for a start.

NorthC said:

Blackbob is right. Why is it so hard for some people here to understand that right now isn't the time to have a party? Imagine someone you love, dies. Would you have a party at the funeral? Why is it so hard to understand that people may need time to grieve? I understand the point of not giving in to terrorists, but if Prince does this tour early next year, then we he's not giving in to them. Just have a little patience.

A cancelled tour is also a question of money. That's what I heard.
Tour organisers and artists are affraid of people not showing up etc... Sure it's about safety first, and this also is so true, but the fact is money's involved. If you like it or not.
One of my friends is a tour organiser, and these are his very words.

[Edited 11/19/15 10:09am]

It would've been a great gesture if Prince would at least give out a message.
But you know, i learned that everyone needs to cope with tragedies the way they want, and I will try to respect that.

[Edited 11/22/15 2:01am]

psyche2 said:

paisleypark4 said:

Scalpers were starting to sell the tickets before they were even to go on sale. Thus, Prince postponed them until they found out who did this.

Yeah right - and he realised about that just 30 minutes before tickets would go on sale last Friday. While that decision was made for the best, I can't believe for a second he wasn't aware of such a practice from Ticketmaster's secondary outlets and the likes.

I think it's more he had a change of heart, or had second thoughts about such a 'long term' commitments (a month-long tour), or simply other plans or ideas crossed his mind.

Said this, as enthusiastic as I was about this tour, the 'time' just don't feel right anymore after the Paris' attacks. So be it.

PSYCHE, what a clever username.

For the record, the Promoter postponned the show as they take the financial risk of the show selling... for the show that were mentioned that went on,; those shows were sold already. You also have to take into account insurance; a company needs to provide insurance liablity coverage for venue and show..Who's selling in this environment? Even if P did want the show;s to go on, the logistics arent in his favor

ecnirp98 said:

lwr001 said:

ecnirp98 said:

It's market forces, its all underwritten on a judgemnet of risk, which is heightened at the moment, i'm sure roadies/merchandising staff etc charges will go up as well, so unless its an essential event that cannot be postponed like a sports playoff, things will be cancelled/0elayed.

One thing no one has really mentioned is the woeful security at allot of events now, they are more interested in checking if you are carrying in beverages that means's you won't buy their overpriced refreshments, I hope they don't use the costs of extra security/scanners etc to push up ticket prices, the amount we are paying (upto £200 a gig) there should be plenty of security in place before the artists/promotors are taking their profits.

You realize rap shows have a hard time getting insured due to perceived violence. Nowhere near 128 dead in a concert hall. So ahain, who is insuring at present

I did not know that. I do think it's not based on real statistics, is it?

Or do insurance companies have more costs at rap concerts compared to pop concerts?


How does that work for classical music concerts? I mean if a whole orchestra has to go abroad, it's probably very expensive.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

B patient! will make it all up next year. With a MEGA ticket plan that will slay all other artist. Then once again be highly regarded as changing the industry to respect the fans & artist alike.

If he needs any advice on the RodeoSchro Ticket Auction Plan© have him OrgNote me.

Somewhat thread-related: The U2 show which was scheduled for Paris on November 14th (the night after the attacks) will now be on December 7th. So things are being re-scheduled.

Life is going on here in Paris. Many tourists missing, but otherwise the venues are open, the coffee is flowing, etc..

(also somewhat related... I was at the NYC Gansevort show 5 (?) years ago. Tickets for the 2nd show were available AT THE DOOR for face value of $300. The 2nd show was not sold out. It was definitely worth $300. The album wasn't out yet, Prince came out and started with a few notes from a song called "Crimson and Clover". I was 15 feet from him and started laughing. "OMG, It's 'crimson and clover'", I yelled. He got a big smile on his face....)

Id be surprised if we here anything about this tour before the new year. I think prince will stay holed up at paisley park now and wait and see what happens in the world for a while. Hope i am wrong but I wouldn't hold your breath. Maybe he will tour USA instead.

kindofblue said:

Thank you..

theartistirl said:

Time out...

Many people are dead and injured. As much as I love Prince, it is not importand at this point in time. I was in the Bataclan 3 weeks ago enjoying Maceo, I wanted to go there for Lianne LeHavas, I want them safe. I want us safe. The security staff who looked at my ticket, the people who took my coat, the people who served my drink, sold the merchadise may no longer be with us. Maybe some of the same people were there on Friday. They may be dead or injured or lost loved ones.

It doesn't matter that Prince cancelled or plays. We have no right to question his motive. It is not safe, a country is in mourning and he has cancelled are the only facts there are.

Let's take time out and reflect.

Insurance companies are definitely part of the mix when entire tours get canceled in light of global events. (This has nothing to do with this particular tour, but any random tour by any artist.)

Neither venues, promoters or the insurance companies of either want to take the risk when they deem travel is potentially dangerous (and that's even if an artist and the crew still want to go forward). Several bands that were out on tour last month all got their European tours canceled r postponed. There's a lot at stake.

dJJ said:

lwr001 said:

ecnirp98 said: You realize rap shows have a hard time getting insured due to perceived violence. Nowhere near 128 dead in a concert hall. So ahain, who is insuring at present

I did not know that. I do think it's not based on real statistics, is it?

Or do insurance companies have more costs at rap concerts compared to pop concerts?


How does that work for classical music concerts? I mean if a whole orchestra has to go abroad, it's probably very expensive.

deepabove said:

remko said:

deepabove said:

Insurance companies are definitely part of the mix when entire tours get canceled in light of global events. (This has nothing to do with this particular tour, but any random tour by any artist.)

Neither venues, promoters or the insurance companies of either want to take the risk when they deem travel is potentially dangerous (and that's even if an artist and the crew still want to go forward). Several bands that were out on tour last month all got their European tours canceled r postponed. There's a lot at stake.

Who insures u2 and the angels of death metal for their paris gig? Dont know. But it is possible, sp not an argument anymore if it has ever been one. Who thinks prince will go on with his plans? He probably has forgotten....

the information is usually confidential, but usually the contract between artist and promoter requires the promoter to arrange insurance. lloyds were the underwriters for the u2 360 tour

the insurance is usually arranged in advance, so would cover the tour, so thats probably why they can continue an existing tour. things may get more complexe in future, however security would be increased so it's less likely something can happen again

with a last minute tour, the insurance may also be last minute and not fully arranged. the terms of the contract would be confidential so we wouldn't know if the insurance was completed or not for the planned tour

unique said:

remko said:

unique said:

the information is usually confidential, but usually the contract between artist and promoter requires the promoter to arrange insurance. lloyds were the underwriters for the u2 360 tour

the insurance is usually arranged in advance, so would cover the tour, so thats probably why they can continue an existing tour. things may get more complexe in future, however security would be increased so it's less likely something can happen again

with a last minute tour, the insurance may also be last minute and not fully arranged. the terms of the contract would be confidential so we wouldn't know if the insurance was completed or not for the planned tour

You think? The u2 tour would have ended by now. Is there an option in those contracts to extend tours? And so, under which conditions?

that's such as vague question. the answer would depend on each individual circumstance

Prince changes his mind all the time on things involving his career. Unless the world is destroyed and we all die, Europe will be in existence in 2016. No rush for him to resume the tour, if it does happen.

remko said:

Or is it on the mountain of Prince-plans never materialized?

I would love this to still happen

I thought it was a good concept and something different

egansmind said: